BS: NFL 2010 (US football)

Subject: RE: BS: NFL 2010 (US football)
From: gnu
Date: 16 Jan 11 - 06:17 PM

They suspended him for misconduct... not for rape. He is innocent until proven guilty. Your comment that victims were paid off is a tad too much.

In any case, this thread is about the games on the go.

And the Pats are in shit. That punt ruse was ALMOST a real good idea.

But, I still expect them to pull it out of the fire. Just watch what happens in the second half when The Belly brings in Welker AND Edleman at the same time. And then fires to Branch in the long game. <;-)

Subject: RE: BS: NFL 2010 (US football)
From: gnu
Date: 16 Jan 11 - 06:44 PM

Apparently, Billy Bob is not paying attention to my posts here at The Café. This is gettin outta hand.

Subject: RE: BS: NFL 2010 (US football)
From: olddude
Date: 16 Jan 11 - 06:49 PM

They are coming to life now

Subject: RE: BS: NFL 2010 (US football)
From: gnu
Date: 16 Jan 11 - 07:46 PM

Sour grapes, yes, but, how do you get to 14 and 2 and then essentially bench Welker and Branch for the first half?

Anyway, there it is. I shall now cheer for ??? Although, I like to watch the bears defense... #54 is one of my favs of all time. I must think this over.

Subject: RE: BS: NFL 2010 (US football)
From: olddude
Date: 16 Jan 11 - 07:48 PM

Well we gotta give the Jets defense the kudo's they played one hell of a game for sure ... got me worried now against my Steelers

Subject: RE: BS: NFL 2010 (US football)
From: Bobert
Date: 16 Jan 11 - 09:19 PM

I loved seein' the Jets knock off Tom Brady and his Pats...

Like Ol'ster, I'm kinda worried about my Steelers but they'll prolly come thru just fine...

Super Bowl prediction:

Steelers 24, Packers 21...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: NFL 2010 (US football)
From: J-boy
Date: 16 Jan 11 - 10:05 PM

Pains me to say it but the better team won tonight. The jets d blanketed our recievers and knocked Brady around like a dog playing with a chewtoy. How was your pizza gnu? Mine had too much sauce.

Subject: RE: BS: NFL 2010 (US football)
From: Raptor
Date: 17 Jan 11 - 08:04 AM

I didn't think the Jets would do it, the Pats have been more consistent with thier wins But "On any given sunday..."

Subject: RE: BS: NFL 2010 (US football)
From: Raptor
Date: 17 Jan 11 - 08:10 AM

Gnu what misconduct do you think they meant? Do you think that the THREE different sexual assault alegations were a coinsidence?

When these players beat thier wives, torture dogs, or comitt sexual assult without being kicked out of the game it cheepens the game. This is the best game in the world and the players should not be criminals.

Subject: RE: BS: NFL 2010 (US football)
From: Raptor
Date: 17 Jan 11 - 08:13 AM

no one thought the Jets would win

Subject: RE: BS: NFL 2010 (US football)
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 17 Jan 11 - 12:02 PM

Wow. All of the teams I thought would be serious Bowl candidates are out of the picture. I have NO confidence in Sanchez as a QB, but Jets defense and run game may get them past the Steelers. I see the winner coming out of the NFC, and I think it will be the Bears.

Subject: RE: BS: NFL 2010 (US football)
From: gnu
Date: 17 Jan 11 - 12:15 PM

Rap... "alegations"... innocent until PROVEN guilty. I thought he had been proven guilty but I was wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: NFL 2010 (US football)
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 17 Jan 11 - 05:44 PM

I think it will be Steelers/Packers

They both seem to have better leadership and more playoff experience than their opposition.

>>Or indicating how tons of money can pay off victims, but they suspended him for 4 games without protest.


When these players beat thier wives, torture dogs, or comitt sexual assult without being kicked out of the game it cheepens the game. This is the best game in the world and the players should not be criminals. <<<

No and no.

Obviously, if there had been payoffs, one of the accusers would not be suing.


These men are not competing for Miss America, they are not "spokesmodels" They throw balls, catch balls, run with balls and beat the living crap out of each other. What they do off the field has no bearing on that.

I think that Ben was an irresponsible drinker with poor judgment, but I don't think he is a rapist. The girls come up to him, bat their eyes and flirt cause he has 2 Superbowl rings and a 103 million dollar contract. He takes a liberty. They see dollar signs and cry "rape."

Stupid? Yes. Rape? No.

Hopefully, missing quarter of this regular season has taught him a lesson.

Subject: RE: BS: NFL 2010 (US football)
From: olddude
Date: 18 Jan 11 - 09:36 AM

Big Ben is a very good decent person, like many other guys sometime he thinks not with his brain but other body parts. He was setup by others who just wanted quick cash, he was stupid and showed poor judgment but he is no abuser of any type to any one. He is young guy with money and it played out just like Jack said.

Subject: RE: BS: NFL 2010 (US football)
From: olddude
Date: 18 Jan 11 - 09:42 AM

by the way, someone who is raped calls the police immediately. They don't usually call their lawyer and ask for a quick cash settlement under the table to keep it quiet ... good grief.. I wasn't there but that is my take

Subject: RE: BS: NFL 2010 (US football)
From: Raptor
Date: 18 Jan 11 - 03:25 PM

I guess we agree to disagree But a decent young man? Really?
I guess none of you have daughters.

Subject: RE: BS: NFL 2010 (US football)
From: gnu
Date: 18 Jan 11 - 06:39 PM

Everyone is talking here. Why were Welker, Branch, Gronkowski... benched? Was Welker disciplined???? Edelman was not sent in to replace Welker??? That's just the tip of the iceburg.

The consensus is that the whole thing is fixed. Seriously, that's what Eddy The Bum 2 and even the guys at my Sobey's food court are saying and those guys are experts. Now, I don't frequent Tim's so I haven't got conclusive research but it sounds like The Belly may be gettin "fat".

Subject: RE: BS: NFL 2010 (US football)
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Jan 11 - 08:00 PM

Actually, I have a confession... Th4 Steelers were never "my Steelers"... MY late wife, Judy, grew up in Youngstown, Ohio & turned me into a Browns fan... Now in Ohio yer either a Steelers fan or a Browns fan but me being a Virginia boy kinda liked 'um both... That way when I went to Ohio with her I wouldn't piss off anyone too bad... Pure survival instincts... That took...

Go Steelers!!!

B~

Subject: RE: BS: NFL 2010 (US football)
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 19 Jan 11 - 12:14 PM

Hey, there must be fans of other teams in Ohio. What about the Canton Bulldogs, Akron Pros and Oorang Indians?

And will the Decatur Staleys go all the way this year?

Subject: RE: BS: NFL 2010 (US football)
From: gnu
Date: 19 Jan 11 - 12:25 PM

They stand a good chance Dave. Ya gotta love their defense.

Subject: RE: BS: NFL 2010 (US football)
From: olddude
Date: 19 Jan 11 - 03:00 PM

I have daughters, and two of them were NFL cheerleaders, and not once did they ever have any actions by any players that were inappropriate over the 10 year period. I also know what Ben does for sick kids. Things are not always as they seem on the TV or internet. It is easy to always believe the bad without knowing the circumstances or the accuser.   Now back to the game, Steelers will hopefully be in the SB ... and I sure hope Green Bay beats the tar out of the bears ... never liked that team but I did like some of the players in the past (especially Walter Payton)

Subject: RE: BS: NFL 2010 (US football)
From: olddude
Date: 19 Jan 11 - 03:15 PM

By the way, my oldest was in 3 super bowls. It was great to see her on the national stage and her dad was right there watching. Didn't care a crap about the game was there for my daughter. I sure hope this year is a great game, they have been getting better lately. In the past they were not very good games. Lately they have been very exciting games to watch. Anyone know who is favored in the GB Bears game, first I saw GB by 3 then I saw Bears by 4

Subject: RE: BS: NFL 2010 (US football)
From: gnu
Date: 19 Jan 11 - 03:17 PM

Urlacher? (I know...)

The Fridge? Member that time he picked up the back off the pile and carried him into the end zone? Why wasn't that a touchdown?

Subject: RE: BS: NFL 2010 (US football)
From: olddude
Date: 19 Jan 11 - 03:25 PM

Whatever happened to McMahon ... the QB ... after he retired he really retired .. he was quite the character .. never hear about him or the fridge anymore

Subject: RE: BS: NFL 2010 (US football)
From: gnu
Date: 19 Jan 11 - 03:56 PM

Last I heard he was a spokesman for a a male enhancement product. But, after all those concussions, I wonder if he can remember what to...

Subject: RE: BS: NFL 2010 (US football)
From: gnu
Date: 19 Jan 11 - 04:35 PM

Dan... that reminded me... Watch yer mouth?

Subject: RE: BS: NFL 2010 (US football)
From: olddude
Date: 19 Jan 11 - 04:56 PM

I forgot about that Gary ... wow

Subject: RE: BS: NFL 2010 (US football)
From: gnu
Date: 19 Jan 11 - 05:03 PM

I LOVE watching Urlacher but here's DA BEAR!

I was always amazed at how he got away with late hits on guys already down. It was as if even the refs feared him.

Subject: RE: BS: NFL 2010 (US football)
From: olddude
Date: 19 Jan 11 - 05:07 PM

He is still playing great, he may not completely disrupt an offense as he did in the past but he still has it. However Green Bay offense is really churning and now they have a running game again. It should be a great game for sure

Subject: RE: BS: NFL 2010 (US football)
From: gnu
Date: 19 Jan 11 - 05:22 PM

Urlacher is still great because he just has that innate sense and the intelligence it takes to play what I call free safety. Gosh... so many other names come to mind besides Dick and Brian... first one is Ronnie Lott... man he was fun to watch. Tight ends going over the middle had tight ends!

Subject: RE: BS: NFL 2010 (US football)
From: Raptor
Date: 19 Jan 11 - 09:17 PM

olddude Which team were your daughters cheering for?

Subject: RE: BS: NFL 2010 (US football)
From: olddude
Date: 19 Jan 11 - 10:53 PM

They were with the Bills rap. One short stint with the Pats by my oldest but her work load was too heavy to continue when she moved to Boston. I am glad they don't do that anymore. never had anything but kindness from the players, the fans ... another story entirely ... I came close to getting thrown out of several games.

Subject: RE: BS: NFL 2010 (US football)
From: J-boy
Date: 19 Jan 11 - 11:23 PM

No offense to you or your daughters olddude but I wish the NFL didn't have cheerleaders at all. I hate the way they are presented on television as sex objects and nothing more.

Subject: RE: BS: NFL 2010 (US football)
From: Raptor
Date: 20 Jan 11 - 08:57 AM

Back when the bills were going to the bowl wow thats exciting were you a bills fan back then?

Subject: RE: BS: NFL 2010 (US football)
From: olddude
Date: 20 Jan 11 - 09:52 AM

J-boy I completely agree with you ... Steelers do not have cheer leaders never did. The Green Bay Packers at each home game feature a local high school cheer leading squad to give them some time. I like that idea better and the fans tend to behave when it is kids out there. I hate the whole idea myself. Rap, although I still have season tickets to the bills games, I never go. My wife and her friends are huge fans and never miss a game but at the time the Bills were so good, I was happy to see them do well. I only went to the games to see my kids.

Subject: RE: BS: NFL 2010 (US football)
From: gnu
Date: 20 Jan 11 - 08:21 PM

The cheerleaders are sexual objects... period! It's a sad thing in a way, no doubt... IN A WAY. But, if it helps them make some money for some harmless (yeah, I know) titilation, I say go for it and take every penny to the bank.

I blame guys like Dan. If he wasn't so good looking he wouldn't have daughters so good looking as to be so admired for their beauty and thus be paid to cheer for the eye of the beholder. Shame on you Dan!

WTF? They are young women. They look great. I like to look at ANY good lookin woman of any age, including Dan's daughters. That is not perverse. That is not exploitation. That is reality. Telling me I should not look at women from a male perspective is just strange. And I can prove it... on Sunday.

Subject: RE: BS: NFL 2010 (US football)
From: olddude
Date: 20 Jan 11 - 08:53 PM

After my oldest left the NFL she took up an easy sport, she now is a ranked ironman competitor along with her husband. They made it to the world championship race in Kona. First I had to worry about football fans, now I gotta worry about injuries from that insane competition... ever read what the ironman involves .. Holy Crap.

I will say this GNU, both kids love the NFL. Raised a lot of money for all kinds of charities, traveled a lot and have lifelong friends including some hall of fame players and coaches. But as a dad, I hated it!! LOL

Subject: RE: BS: NFL 2010 (US football)
From: Raptor
Date: 20 Jan 11 - 10:58 PM

Well put gnu! As a musician in my twenties I loved it when the opposite sex oggled me and catcalled while i was performing. having your looks noticed and remarked on or whistled at is not a bad thing or exploitive. I don't know one woman who doesn't love being told that she is beautiful. As for men that is one of the top qualities we look for in a mate. You can dissagree and pretend its shallow all you want but i'll call you a liar or a unick. As for the woman they spend a lot of time and money on triing to look thier best.

I have seen the buffalo fans get rude to the cheerleaders but I'd bet they do it despite the jerks because it's fun not because someone is forcing them to do degrading things. I even know a girl who made a living making x-rated films and loved it no regrets now years later. She wasn't exploited or forced into it. There is nothing wrong with beauty but the ones who seem to get upset at the thought of it seem to be the ones who lack it and are jealous.

Subject: RE: BS: NFL 2010 (US football)
From: J-boy
Date: 20 Jan 11 - 11:20 PM

I didn't want to start yet another Mudcat debate here. I don't think looking at cheerleaders is perverse and I don't think they're being exploited. I love to admire women also, sometimes they are the only ones who make life worth living. I guess it's just a matter of personal taste. But more importantly...only three games left! Who the hell do I want to win? Give me a team to cheer (heh) for.

Subject: RE: BS: NFL 2010 (US football)
From: Raptor
Date: 20 Jan 11 - 11:24 PM

Cheer for DA BEARS

Subject: RE: BS: NFL 2010 (US football)
From: olddude
Date: 20 Jan 11 - 11:25 PM

One thing, the security around the girls is first rate and that helped. I never missed a game when my kids were cheering, not in HS, college, or the NFL.   Never missed an Ironman except this last one in Hawaii but my wife was there (I got sick). For the cheerleaders it is a wonderful fun time. I was very proud of them making the team . Most of the fans were fine, some were awful, a couple tried the stalker thing ( I handled that real quick) I am just glad it is over but happy they had such a wonderful experience. My oldest gets invites still from Jim Kelly for his golf outing along with so many of the other Bills greats and Patriots greats also. just glad its over from a dad standpoint

Subject: RE: BS: NFL 2010 (US football)
From: olddude
Date: 20 Jan 11 - 11:44 PM

naw PACKERS either way that will be the game for sure holy cow what a match up. and of course big ben and pittsburgh, he always signs stuff for sick kids for me. can't wait till sunday

Subject: RE: BS: NFL 2010 (US football)
From: J-boy
Date: 20 Jan 11 - 11:59 PM

It is shaping up to be an NFL Sunday for the ages ain't it? Which is good since we may not get a season next year. I weep at the thought.

Subject: RE: BS: NFL 2010 (US football)
From: olddude
Date: 21 Jan 11 - 10:32 AM

J-boy, Tommy and crew will be back for sure. They are a great team every year. They still got their someday "hall of fame" coach. Still got the best QB in the league. Thing about them, every year they are a contender. They will as always make another run at it next year. Our Buffalo Bills here, ya gotta go back to Jim Kelly and the time my kids were in it to have something to look forward to. At least the New England folks have something to look forward to every year. Been 11 years since the Bills were in the playoff's. I think the difference between teams is the organization itself. I was on an airplane going to Wisconsin for example and the guy next to me was all decked out in Steeler stuff. We got talking, he was a scout for the Steelers. I asked him what college was he going to ... he said no I am going to the High Schools to get some players on our radar .. They start at the HS level! That is why each year they are in the hunt. My bet, the Pats do the exact same thing.

Subject: RE: BS: NFL 2010 (US football)
From: gnu
Date: 21 Jan 11 - 01:04 PM

No doubt, Dan. Their recruitment under The Belly has been nothing short of amazing... now if he had just played some eh!!! Yes, I will never let it go.

Subject: RE: BS: NFL 2010 (US football)
From: olddude
Date: 21 Jan 11 - 01:32 PM

Gary there was no excuse for that performance. I think they just didn't really take the Jets serious as they had blown them out a few weeks earlier ... The team I watch just didn't show up to play but the Jets sure did. Now Pittsburgh better take them serious, their coach seems to know how to motivate his team. I do however think the Steeler defense will rise to match them. I am hoping anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: NFL 2010 (US football)
From: gnu
Date: 21 Jan 11 - 01:58 PM

Off topic, but, when I think of Jim Kelly, I immediately think of the grestest comeback game and then feel sad that he lost in two shows. I know... Dan Marino and a few others but I really was disappointed when Kelly lost out because he just seemed to be such a great guy.

Subject: RE: BS: NFL 2010 (US football)
From: olddude
Date: 21 Jan 11 - 02:04 PM

He is a scream, his brothers are a riot. The Kelly boys are a legend with their humor and antics and all in a positive manner.

Subject: RE: BS: NFL 2010 (US football)
From: gnu
Date: 21 Jan 11 - 02:32 PM

It's the Irish eh!

Subject: RE: BS: NFL 2010 (US football)
From: J-boy
Date: 23 Jan 11 - 12:38 AM

I guess I gotta cheer for the Packers. Being they are a community owned team and all. Socialism does work! At least when it comes to football. Go Pack Go!