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Subject: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Bobert Date: 26 Aug 10 - 08:03 PM Saturday is gonna be one of those special days in Washington, D.C. with Glen Beck and Sarah Palin leadin' Redneck Nation in their "Restore Honor" at the Lincoln Memorial and Rev. Al Sharpton and the memories of Martin Luther King marching almost 5 miles from Dunbar High School way out in NE Washington D.C. off New York Ave all the way down to the future site of the King Memorial half way between the Lincoln and Jefferson Memorials just east of the Tidal Basin... I was so hopin' to attend the 5 mile march but between a very bad left foot and the P-Vine have decided not to go but... ... I'll be there in spirit... Now for the combatants... One side has multi billion dollar media corpoartion and multi million dollar lobbiest firm behind and the other, ahhhhhh, not much... One side says it didn't know that August 28th is the anniversary of Dr. King's "I Have A Dream" speech at the very spot that they are are going to have their mutil-billion-dollar-backed-ralley and the other side says, "Well, you shoulda known" and... ...one side is going to have just white participants with a history of bullying people and the other, like Selma, marching in defience... Yeah, I'll be there in spirit but wonderin' exactly what does... ..."restore honor" actaully mean??? Slavery??? Segregated schools??? I mean, I fully understand what Rev. Sharpton is marching for but am really clueless as to what the loudmouth, borish people want... (They want their country back, Boberdz...) Geeze, black people have been here longer than most of them and their ancestors so exactly which country do they want back??? Germany??? Poland??? Ireland??? The Chexc Republic??? Well, all they gotta do is get on the danged airplane to have "their country" back... End of rant!!! B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: beardedbruce Date: 26 Aug 10 - 08:32 PM "one side is going to have just white participants with a history of bullying people" Like the niece of MLK??? You need to update your bias, Bobert- the Beck rally includes people of all colors and political bent- it is a fundraiser for children of killed Special Forces members. |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Bobert Date: 26 Aug 10 - 08:35 PM Watch the 11:00 news Saturday, bb, and count the black faces at the Beck ralley... BTW, you won't need to take off yer shoes... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: beardedbruce Date: 26 Aug 10 - 08:36 PM "The event's website says the rally is to pay tribute to America's military personnel and others "who embody our nation's founding principles of integrity, truth and honor." It also is to promote the Special Operations Warrior Foundation, which provides scholarships and services to family members of military members. The website urges citizens to attend and "help us restore the values that founded this great nation." " |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: beardedbruce Date: 26 Aug 10 - 08:37 PM So, you judge people by the color of their skin.... Ever LISTEN to MLK's speech? |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: beardedbruce Date: 26 Aug 10 - 08:38 PM (sarcastic remark) |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 26 Aug 10 - 08:40 PM Bobert, Oh Dear Bobert..Instead of going there to bitch, piss and moan, as for anybody, you might listen and consider the points of the debate, of BOTH sides!! What's the point of being close minded about ANYTHING, and EVERYTHING, that another point of view might present?? Even a broken clock is right..twice a day! Actually, I would think this should be VERY, VERY interesting......but ONLY, if us observing, would have an open mind....instead of being closed off, small minded, opinionated, fragments of a division. Be neutral, and just listen, and stay objective!... Education is never a waste! Regards, GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: beardedbruce Date: 26 Aug 10 - 08:44 PM Bobert BTW, YOUR statement implies that blacks do NOT want "to pay tribute to America's military personnel and others "who embody our nation's founding principles of integrity, truth and honor." " Are you SURE that is what you want to say??? |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Rapparee Date: 26 Aug 10 - 08:48 PM I've had enough tear gas in the past to last me the rest of my life. Besides, I'm going to be in Idaho. |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Bill D Date: 26 Aug 10 - 08:53 PM and the 2st 100 attendees get a 5% discount at Goldline.com.. (no? well they should! Beck has been promoting his 'investment' site over top of all his promotion of "our nation's founding principles of integrity, truth and honor.") |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: GUEST,David E. Date: 26 Aug 10 - 08:58 PM |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Bill D Date: 26 Aug 10 - 09:00 PM "...scholarships and services to family members of military members. Oh, by the way, Beck has admitted (in small print) that proceeds from the rally will go first to pay FOR the rally, with any leftovers going for those worthy causes. |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: GUEST,David E. Date: 26 Aug 10 - 09:01 PM (decided not to rise to the loudmouth borish bait) David E. |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: beardedbruce Date: 26 Aug 10 - 09:02 PM He also promised to make up the difference from what he stated they were trying to raise and the actual from his own pocket. But don't mention that... |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Ebbie Date: 26 Aug 10 - 09:12 PM Here is a chance to vote (at Sun-Sentinel): "What do you think? Who is Glenn Beck "Restoring Honor" for with Saturday's rally in Washington? * He is restoring it for all right-thinking Americans who don't like the way this country is headed down the road to socialism. * He is restoring it for all right-thinking Americans who think they have lost control and government is too powerful. * He is restoring it for all the right-wing loonies who listen to his show and actually believe the drivel that comes out of his mouth. * Who is Glenn Beck?" |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Bobert Date: 26 Aug 10 - 10:05 PM Let's get real here... This thing is a corpoarte sponsored circle-jerk for angry white people... The sponsors are out front and center... First and foremost, the multi-billion dollar Rupert Murdock (FOX) syndicate... Followed by big the big health insurance companies with millions and millions and millions of or insurance premiums being funneled thru Dick Armeys lobbiest firms and out the other end as "Feedom Works"... Oh, doen't that sound American??? The you have the super rich Kock family funneling their Obama hatred thru their bullshit Americans for Prosperity (for whom, pray tell???)... And then you can't have a pissed off whiter people event without the NRA with it's billions of dollars... So let's keep at least some grasp of what is going on here... I mean, all ya' gotta do is follow the money... But let's also look at what this money has bought in addition to the media, which the right allready controls... Well, hundreds of "community organizers" (remember them???) to go ot and knock on doors and find pissed off white people, blow some smoke up their butts and stick them on corporate owned or rented buses to go off to Washington, D.C. to, ahhhhhh, what??? Honor Martin Luther King??? Pas the Cooliad... To "honor" exactly what, folks??? Health insurance compasnies that rip us off??? Rupert Murdock??? This is no more a grassroots organization thanis the US Army... This is all paid for... Evet5 little pissed off white person has a cost figure next to him or her... Billions have been spent by the right wing in the last 2 years in lobbying... This little charade is nothing but lobbying at a different level... This isn't agrassroots organization... This is what a pissed off corporate America looks like when it has unlimited money to us "community organizing" to rile up very stupid but pissed off people to act as their corporate shills... That is reality... Even those here who argue the other side know it... Eveyone knows the deal here... Everyone... BB knows the deal... GfS knows the deal... Hey, like we use to say in the 60s, "Your are either part of the problem or part of the solution"... Ya'll know what side of the corporate world ya'll are on... It ain't no secret...' But, ya'll enjoy yer little circle-jerk 'cause you've paid for it somewhere... Or will down the line... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Bobert Date: 26 Aug 10 - 10:10 PM And , BTW, bb... You were doing so well in not making shit up that others did ***not*** say so how about stop yer fucking lieing right here before you gotta go back a do another week at Betty Ford... Very bad habit that not only I have asked you to stop but others as well... Yer smarter than to have to make up lies... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: olddude Date: 26 Aug 10 - 10:19 PM That is why we are fucked .. period no other word for it ... You see this country use to have phrases like "WE THE PEOPLE" that meant everyone ..everyone .. today it is for a certain few or only those who think alike or act alike or are the same color or or or or or .. Replace "WE THE PEOPLE" with "ME THE PEOPLE" all for one .. as long as the one is ME ... No wonder we are failing as a nation |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: mousethief Date: 26 Aug 10 - 10:58 PM Restore what values? You mean religious freedom? Which side of the mosque question does Beck come down on? Let him restore THAT value. You mean honesty? Yeah, when Beck restores that value, Hell will freeze over. How about the right to be left alone from government interference? You mean like wiretapping without a warrant, mousethief? Is that what you mean? Yeah, Beck is against that, I'm just sure. He's a lying sack of shit and he has nothing whatever to do with "values" except truth values equal to "F". |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 26 Aug 10 - 11:20 PM Bobs: ". Eveyone knows the deal here... Everyone... BB knows the deal... GfS knows the deal... Hey, like we use to say in the 60s, "Your are either part of the problem or part of the solution"... Ya'll know what side of the corporate world ya'll are on... It ain't no secret...'" I don't even know where you came up with that glittering piece of ridiculous. I, myself, would just like to hear both sides...that's all..and reserve judgment, as I think about it afterwords. I'm not even saying one side or the other is right or wrong..BEFORE they open their mouths..JEEZ! However, I'd like to hear them address each others comments and questions. Either side has the opportunity to make a complete ass of themselves, or come out making sense....We'll see. GfS P.S. I'm not a 'Republican right wing, neo-con', either! That's just something a few of you came up with, instead of logically re-acting to some of my posts....(instead of 'responding'..there IS a difference) |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Bobert Date: 27 Aug 10 - 08:20 AM No, GfS... You may not be a "Republican right wing neo-con"... Just sounding like one these days... Exactly what more do we need to hear from Glen "The Big Lie" Beck??? It's kinda like havin' a neighbor who throws his garbage in yer front yard over and over and over... So one day that neighbor lets it be known that you ain't seen nuhin' yet and he invites a bunch of friends over to witness him throwing his garbage in yer front yard... I mean, "Insanity is repeating behavior expecting different results"... You should understand that analogy if indeed you have any level of understanding of yer own "handle), GUEST from "Sanity"... Now throw in the fact that not only is Beck using sacred grounds to promoote more misunderstanding, more racism, more fearmongering, and more lies to rile up a crowd of epsilons that have been orgainized thru with major anti-Obama corpoarte funding and this, for anyone who actaully believes in civil rights, is like jamming the car in reverse and going back to the days of Jim Crow... That is no exaggeration either... But then again, only people who really deep down inside believe in civil rights can understand that... The civil-rights-faux-believer won't get it, at all... Like a square peg and and round hole... I'm just so sorry that my poor ol' mom, arrested 4 times during her days of pushing for civil rights, has to witness just how far back that the Glen Becks, Sarah Palins and their mindless, crybaby peanut gallery want to take US... Wish my foot would hold up for the 5 miles march tomorrow or I'd be there... But like I have said, "I'll be there in spirit"... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: GUEST,Neil D Date: 27 Aug 10 - 09:29 AM Anyone who can't see that Glenn Beck holding a rally at the Lincoln Memorial on the anniversary of Rev. Kings historic speech, for the expressed purpose of "restoring the true meaning of the civil rights movement", is the most profound insult to the memory of a fallen leader, to the legacy of civil rights, to the ideal of non-violent activism, has there head firmly planted in ... the sand. Just remember that if your head in the sand which part of you you're showing to the world. |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Bobert Date: 27 Aug 10 - 10:16 AM Yeah, why not have the Grand Wizzard of the KKK or David Duke hold the event??? (What's the difference, Boberdz???) Not much.. Not much, at all... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: GUEST Date: 27 Aug 10 - 11:12 AM Bobert"eah, why not have the Grand Wizzard of the KKK or David Duke hold the event??? " Well, Sen. Robert Byrd(D) is already dead! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 27 Aug 10 - 11:14 AM (Sorry, I fixed it) Bobert: "Yeah, why not have the Grand Wizzard of the KKK or David Duke hold the event??? " Well, Sen. Robert Byrd(D) is already dead! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: katlaughing Date: 27 Aug 10 - 12:37 PM Well put, Neil. The whole idea of it: location, extremists, etc. makes it seem so surreal. I hope there are thousands who counter-protest. |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Bobert Date: 27 Aug 10 - 12:56 PM Doctor King would have seen in Senator Byrd the goodness... He would have seen in him a man who had starred down his own demons... In otherwords: a man... Not a child like Beck who only thinks of his own wants and desires and opinions and prejudices... Beck is not a man... He is a spoiled child prone to temper tantrums... Senator Bryd had more moral fiber, more caring and more selflessness in his fingernail clippings than Beck could ever wish for... Once again... Shame on you GfS, which until you get off yer right winged hobby horse, I will just have to call it like it is and rename you GfinS... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: katlaughing Date: 27 Aug 10 - 01:10 PM I'd bet Beck would love THIS SCHOOL DISTRICT in Mississippi. Unbelievable! |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 27 Aug 10 - 02:00 PM Plainly, ..You just don't get it! Suggestion: Activate more gray cells. LISTEN to the two sides..and stop hating, as you accuse one side or the other of doing. Not hard!... GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Bill D Date: 27 Aug 10 - 02:02 PM Riding herd on school districts and attitudes like that is like a huge game of "Whack-a-Mole". You think you've got them clued in about illegal discrimination, and next year, it's something else. When the 'community mindset' is determined to favor one group, they will constantly try new ways. |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Bobert Date: 27 Aug 10 - 02:48 PM How can you help but HEAR the right wing, GfinS??? They own just about the entire media... So that is a bogus response... Here's the kind of stuff that isn't going to produce one job but seem to be all the corporate media wants to talk about: 1. 31% of Americans think Obama is a Muslim... Jobs created : Zero 2. We don't want no stenkin' Mosque two blocks from Ground Zero... Jobs created: Zero... Jobs lost: Lots... 3. The 24/7 Beck/Palin Show: Jobs created: Zero 4. The Daily John Beonher Show: Jobs created: Zero 5. The Oil Is all Gone in the Gulf: Jobs created: Zero, Jobs lost: lots... I mean, lets get real here... The largest problem in the US isn't a mosque, or the propagating of various and sundry Repub lies and side shows::: It's the economy, stupid... Yet, the media harps on how bad it is every night but fails conviently to allow any airtime on the various Obama administration efforts to deal with it... Right now the obstructionist Repubs won't allow a $30B bill into the Senate that will provide laons for small businesses... Yet we get John Boenher every night on the corporate propaganda machine using lies like "job killing" this ot that... Every night... But not one word from the media on the loan legislation... We get John Beonher every night talking about Obama wanting to raise taxes that will burt small business but never any investigative jounranlism on just how many small businessmen make over $250,000 a year??? Ya' see, the corporate media is very much into the sidewhow and subterfuge business these days... Lie loud enough and often enough on the right and it makes the headlines... The truth??? Forget it... Not going there... Does not serve the corporatist agenda!!! But no GfinS thinks I oughta spend even more time "listening" to the "other side"... Sheet fire, that's all that is being blared at us like a blow torch!!! B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: katlaughing Date: 27 Aug 10 - 04:09 PM As far as I am concerned, this is one of the smartest things I've seen come out to try to make a difference in the spread of faux news by Faux News: From: James Rucker, ColorOfChange.org Subject: Glenn Beck vs. Dr. King? A year ago, Glenn Beck called the president a racist who had a deep-seated hatred for white people.1 In just over a week, he says he will "reclaim"2 the legacy of the civil rights movement by holding his "Restoring Honor" rally at the Lincoln Memorial in Washington, D.C.—on the same day and place as Dr. King's "I Have a Dream" speech.3 You can get mad at Beck. You can protest and try to prevent him from stepping on Dr. King's honor for one day. The reality is that the next day—and five days a week from there on out—Beck will be back on Fox News, speaking to millions and spreading hate, lies, and fear, as he does every week. The real problem is Fox News. Fox News gives Beck his platform, and Fox promotes his events—all despite Beck losing virtually all of his major advertisers in the last year. Fox's rhetoric is not just divisive; it's dangerous. Last month, a heavily armed man got into a gunfight with police after he was pulled over on his way to kill people at the Tides Foundation4—a non-profit that was little known until Glenn Beck repeatedly demonized it, claiming it to be the center of a great conspiracy.5 Last year, Kansas doctor George Tiller was gunned down while at church6 after Bill O'Reilly called him a Nazi, a "baby killer," and warned of "Judgment Day."7 It's why today we're launching TurnOffFox, and we hope you'll join us. TurnOffFox is the first step in our overall effort to beat back the poison, hate, and division of Fox. We'll get Fox turned off in stores, restaurants, and other public places—places where Fox pulls in new viewers and gains legitimacy. But we need your help. Click below to declare your household "Fox free" and at the same time call on establishments in your community (and across the country) to follow your lead and turn off Fox. Armed with thousands of signatures, ColorOfChange members will visit businesses in their communities that play Fox, explain how divisive and dangerous it is, and call on them to stop. And we'll give you a FREE Turn Off Fox sticker when you do—it takes just a moment: http://www.moveon.org/r?r=90115&id=22941-8293565-fRameYx&t=2 Some people watch Fox at home because it reflects their view of the world; but there are others who see it on TV in public places and assume that it's legitimate news. Fox News is often on in bars, restaurants, airport lounges, stores—appearing to be real news, while spreading lies and fomenting hate and division. The goal of Turn Off Fox is to reduce the number of public TVs showing Fox News, while spreading the word about Fox's poison (and how it works) to those who don't know. Signing up for the campaign is just the first step. We make it easy for you to tell us about businesses playing Fox. If you're willing to talk with them, we'll provide you with straightforward materials that explain why they shouldn't be a party to what Fox is doing. And if there are businesses you know that want to tell the world they would never play Fox, you can help them declare themselves a "Fox-free zone." As businesses Turn off Fox and stand up as Fox Free, and as we encourage our friends and family to do the same, we'll help make clear, to people across the country, what Fox is about. And we'll reduce their ability to do harm. Click the link below to join us and our partners at Truthout.com in standing up to Fox, and we'll give you a free TurnOffFox sticker. And then please ask your friends and family to do the same: http://www.moveon.org/r?r=90115&id=22941-8293565-fRameYx&t=3 Thanks and Peace, –James, Gabriel, William, Dani, Milton, and the rest of the ColorOfChange.org team |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 27 Aug 10 - 04:17 PM Bobert: "1. 31% of Americans think Obama is a Muslim... Jobs created : Zero 2. We don't want no stenkin' Mosque two blocks from Ground Zero... Jobs created: Zero... Jobs lost: Lots... 3. The 24/7 Beck/Palin Show: Jobs created: Zero 4. The Daily John Beonher Show: Jobs created: Zero 5. The Oil Is all Gone in the Gulf: Jobs created: Zero, Jobs lost: lots..." Not only that, of the $240 BILLION passed in the stimulus(?), $172 BILLION is just sitting dormant, and NOT being spent on creating jobs!... for what it was intended for....Who's Obama going to blame for that??...Bush?? As I've said over and over, again, "Right wing and Left wing are on the same bird! Let's make it simple:..Right wing--full of shit! Left wing--Full of shit! Mega Elite--Bribing with shit! We the People--eating their shit! "Play your harmonica, Son!" GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: katlaughing Date: 27 Aug 10 - 04:22 PM And, if they can, the GOP will make damned sure it doesn't get spent, just so they can point more fingers. What they forget is when they point a finger at President Obama, four fingers are pointing back at themselves. |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Bobert Date: 27 Aug 10 - 05:31 PM The problem, kat, is that the Dems have adopted Mohammed Ali's "Rope-A-Dope" strategy... If they are going to get any microphone time from the right winged media then they are going to have push 10 times harder than the Repubs for that 30 second clip on the evening news... I mean, think about it... John beohner is one the nesws almost every night blasting away and the Dems aren't pushing hard enought o country his outright lies... That's on the Dems for over-estimating the media... Yo, GFinS, Your figures are as bogus as your "both sides" mythology... Where ever you got them they are so far off that it's laughable... Maybe you need a 2nd opinion before making such bogus claims... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 27 Aug 10 - 06:59 PM Bobert: "ur figures are as bogus as your "both sides" mythology... Where ever you got them they are so far off that it's laughable... Maybe you need a 2nd opinion before making such bogus claims..." Look it up. GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Bobert Date: 27 Aug 10 - 08:37 PM I don't need to... I was alive last summer when the stimulis bill was passed and it wasn't $240B... So... ...guess again, GfinS... |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 27 Aug 10 - 09:19 PM Oh my gosh, you are correct!...I read the wrong allotment. @40 was for something else...the total was: The measures are nominally worth $787 billion. The Act includes federal tax cuts, expansion of unemployment benefits and other social welfare provisions, and domestic spending in education, health care, and infrastructure, including the energy sector. The Act also includes numerous non-economic recovery related items that were either part of longer-term plans (e.g. a study of the effectiveness of medical treatments) or desired by Congress (e.g. a limitation on executive compensation in federally aided banks added by Senator Dodd and Rep. Frank). No Republicans in the House and only three Republican Senators voted for the bill.[2][3][4] The bill was signed into law on February 17 by President Obama at an economic forum he was hosting in Denver, Colorado.[5] As of the end of August 2009, 19 percent of the stimulus had been outlaid or gone to American taxpayers or business in the form of tax reductions.[6] WHICH IS EVEN MORE OF AN EMBARRASSMENT!!!!!!! SEEING ANY JOBS FOR THAT KIND OF MONEY??????????????????????? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: LadyJean Date: 28 Aug 10 - 12:15 AM Occasionally, I watch Glenn Beck. I always regret it, because I wind up wanting to wring the bastard's neck and he doesn't have one. Today that baby faced jackass announced that, during the revolutionary war, British troops set fire to American churches, often with the congregation barricaded inside. It happened in "The Patriot", a Mel Gibson movie, a fun adventure story, that took more than a few liberties with history. It did not really happen. Beck recently informed viewers that Woodrow Wilson segregated the United States Military. Which is also baloney. He is a veritable cesspool of misinformation. I wish somebody would point out a few of his finer gaffes. |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Bobert Date: 28 Aug 10 - 08:36 AM The stimulis wasn't ever intended to be dumped into the economy all at once... That would have been a grave error and wastefull... If you recall the initial monet went to "shovel ready" projects where the prelimanary work had been done (engineering, hearings, permots process, etc) but for which because state and local governments were so burdened there werew no funds available to move forward... That is still the case... The money is still flowing into these projects as they become "shovel ready"... As for Beck, LadyJean??? Consider the source... He is not, shall we say, an enlightened or well educated man... He makes up alot of stuff because his audience, like him, are also not enlightened or well educated and so rather than present actual, ahhhh, facts, these folks just plus in what ever story (mythology) happpens to dovetail nicely with their narrow world views... That's about it with Beck, Palin and their loyal followers... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Bobert Date: 28 Aug 10 - 11:03 AM Well, I kinda dreaded my weekly phone call with my mom this morning fir fear that this was going to come up and even at 91 years old her mind is very sharp and she can get really torqued up over stuff... Fortunately, this subject didn't come up tho I know she is completely aware of it... Whew!!! The last time she was arrested was just the other end of the mall in front of the Capitol building... That was a fiesko... Several hundred SCLC, along with Rev. Abernathy were arrested in a Saturday protest and this was back when D.C. wasn't quite as accomodating (not that it is today... Google IMF arrests...) and we didn't get her out until Tuesday morin'... Speakin' of torqued up, my very Republican dad was beyond torqued up and I'm glad he didn't have a gun 'er he would have shot up D.C. General District Court... Wish I could be there today... Think I'd wander into Beck's ballgame and piss off a couple of his little mindless follower/worshipers... Gonna be some interesting news, I'm sure, this evening... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Stringsinger Date: 29 Aug 10 - 09:58 AM BB, here's what we can expect from Beck. href="http://www.alternet.org/module/printversion/148011">http://www.alternet.org/module/printversion/148011 |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Stringsinger Date: 29 Aug 10 - 09:59 AM http://www.alternet.org/module/printversion/148011 |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Stringsinger Date: 29 Aug 10 - 10:04 AM "Who is Glenn Beck "Restoring Honor" for with Saturday's rally in Washington? * He is restoring it for all right-thinking Americans who don't like the way this country is headed down the road to socialism. * He is restoring it for all right-thinking Americans who think they have lost control and government is too powerful. * He is restoring it for all the right-wing loonies who listen to his show and actually believe the drivel that comes out of his mouth. * Who is Glenn Beck?" Glenn Beck is John Galt. |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Bobert Date: 29 Aug 10 - 12:14 PM and Atlas shrugged... Yer right, Strings... Bring on some good ol' fashioned anarchy... You know, like we saw 5 years today in New Orleans with people scambling thru the littered streets trying to survice another day... That is Glen Beck's America... That the country that he hasd convinced the Zombie Party that they "want back"... The saddest part about this is the number of people in this country who have no ability to think for themselves so they relinquish that responsibility to others... In this case, an entertainer... Not someone who understands stuff like, ahhhhhh, public administration... Tell ya' what... Glen Beck is not qualified to be a twon manager of a small rural town... Waht makes him think he can run the entire show??? The man is menatlly ill... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: GUEST,John Date: 29 Aug 10 - 12:53 PM Wow!! All those people standing around the mall talking about God and Patriotism were really racists. Thanks, Bobert. I never would have known. All the sound bites I heard were all about gratitude for those who have been in the military. But I guess we can't rely on what they say. We have to look in their hearts for the hatred and narrow-mindedness that lurks there. We sure do live in a mean and ignorant country, I guess. And my neighbors seem so nice. I've been a fool for thinking that other folks are good people, too. Thanks, again. I might never have known without guidance from the comments here. I might have even thought that the folks on the mall were regular, old, decent people who disagree with us. |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 29 Aug 10 - 01:19 PM The Beck-Palin ralley was really about dissatisfaction with the state of the country on the part of many Americans. Ordinary, middle of the road Americans. Some 300,000 to 500,000 of them gathered in Washington. What was said by Beck and Palin gave them momentary comfort, but neither has a message or program that will cure the problems. No one has come forward who has the ability to cure the divisive split among Americans or to bring the country back to prosperity. Americans are falling behind on education, and the drive to succeed, which breed the entrepreneurship needed to keep the country prosperous and an example that others can follow (or equal or surpass, given the large numbers of people in China and India), but not regard with disdain. |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Ron Davies Date: 29 Aug 10 - 01:27 PM It's time to stop underestimating the opposition, as I've mentioned on several other threads. It seems Palin's speech was pitch-perfect for the occasion. Most important was her description of herself as not a politician but the mother of a veteran. That will resonate across the whole US. Mudcatters may enjoy demonizing her, but when you finish that you'd best start to grapple with her appeal--to a huge number of people, it's real. LA Times: she already has over 2 million followers on Facebook. Probably not all of them are Mudcatters attacking her. Hasn't the Left learned anything from dealing with Reagan and GWB? |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Bobert Date: 29 Aug 10 - 01:36 PM Nah, John and Q... I think ya'll both got it wrong... First of all, we know very well what Glen Beck stands for and the racist things he has said about Obama and the very misguided things he has said about Democrats... These *red meat issues* are what the Kock family and Dick Armie's lobbiest firm have spend miilions, perhaps billions, of dollars using to do "community organizing" to get a pissed of white people out of their trailers and in the streets... So what we had yesterday is a hundred thousand pissed off white people, who BTW had been told to stay very close to the Jefferson Memorial and not wander off into the city, listening to guy who was probably scared shitless to bring up any *red meat issues* thinking that he had an opportunity to make his Tea Party look less racist, sexist, homophobic, etc. than it really is... These were not ordinary Americans, BTW... I watched everything I could last night and, other than a couple black speakers and a couple black folks that the media were able to find, this was a rally that was 99.99% white... That is not ordinary America, Q... That is white America... Now if Glen Beck wants to really "honor" America he'd quit throwing *red meat* to the rednecks who watch his show and start to talk about *real issues* rather than a steady diet of emotional, wedge, sideshow issues that in the big scheme of things aren't the problems that this country needs to deal with... But as long as he has the mega-corpoate bucks behind him, Beck will continue the SOS... As far as I am concerned, Beck is a traitor and the enemy of America... Yesterday was one "time out" day... Nuthin' more and nuthin' less... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 29 Aug 10 - 02:08 PM Bobert's tirade is really against middle-class, conservative Americans, who have built the country, and only emphasizes the divisions that are weakening the country. |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: pdq Date: 29 Aug 10 - 03:15 PM About the AL Sharpton rallye: "Let the line stretch. They're already going to say there were only 2,000 or 3,000 of you here," Sharpton said. "If people start heckling, smile at them. This ain't about you, it's about Dr. King." "Glen Beck, we're going to show you. We ain't going to let Glenn Beck turn us around," one man shouted into a mega phone. The crowd followed him..." There were 2-3000 following Rev Al and at least 1/4 million listening to Tony LaRussa, Louis Pujols, Sarah Palin, and dozens of others praise the United States, the US Constitution, the American Middle Class and our military personel. Positive all the way. Sharpton and his little group were calling people names and bragging that "they" had the White House. They were not showing any of unifying spirit of MLK. |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Desert Dancer Date: 29 Aug 10 - 03:50 PM Q, I'm with you on divisions weakening this country, but when you say "middle-class, conservative Americans, who have built the country", that exemplifies the problem that Bobert is talking about: Bobert's tirade is against middle class, conservative Americans who think that they built America *alone*, and that those who are not part of that group are a threat to "their America". I'm with Bobert on that. ~ Becky in Tucson |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Bobert Date: 29 Aug 10 - 05:31 PM Thank you, Becky... It real easy for the Qs of the3 world to try to marginalize the observations I make because they have no interest in dealiong with "non" red meat issues... BTW, I finally got my printed adition of the Washington Post and was looking at about 300 people at the Beck/Palin rally assembled by the Reflecting Pool and so I kinda did an informal demographic study of the 200 or so that I could see well and here's what I found: White: 100% Male: 60% Female: 40% Obese Males: 80% Obese females: 70% Now, of course, this is not scientific but given it was a sampling I found it to be very telling... BTW, Obesity costs the US taxpayers billions of dollars a year in medical treatement fro daibetes, heart desease, etc... So these people want their country back??? Waht are they gonna do with it??? Eat it??? (That was a small joke, folks)... But seriously, I have commented on this in the past... Seems the less educated the higher the obseity rates so I figure if 4 outta every 5 males at the Beck rally were obese then, hey, not alot of brain power there... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: akenaton Date: 29 Aug 10 - 06:19 PM Woah there Bobert, you're gettin' into dangerous territory pal :0) Step back and take a couple of deep breaths before you gallop off down that road.....Pursued by a dozen hefty mudcatters!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Bobert Date: 29 Aug 10 - 07:48 PM Well, okay, Ake.... The point is, however, that I doubt if 80% of Mudcatters are obese and those that are may have metabolic or glanual situation... I doubt seriously if 80% Beck's male supporter/worshipers have those situations... Plus, we're talkin' males here... I understand that womenz after a ceratin age have different metobolisms than their make counterparts and, hey, I like a full figured womenz but... ...80% in males??? No excuse, Buuba... Put down the Budweiser and take up walkin'... Ohter than from yer Camaro to the garndstands at the next NASCAR race... Or to the frig fir another Bud... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: akenaton Date: 29 Aug 10 - 08:09 PM No grovelling!.....you done said it! |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: ichMael Date: 29 Aug 10 - 09:39 PM From The Black Agenda Report, written by Glen Ford (a black man): We Are Cornered: There's No Way Out Without A Fight A corporate offensive is rolling down upon us, aimed at wholesale privatization of the public sector. If the Left has learned anything in the last year and a half, it should be that President Obama is Wall Street's guy, having "delivered the highest return on corporate campaign investment in the history of bourgeois democracy." In this struggle, the people will be left to their own devices.... Obama and finance capital began an early, thoroughly vetted, and white hot love affair that was anchored in mutual contempt for those who would challenge the rule of money. He has delivered the highest return on corporate campaign investment in the history of bourgeois democracy, allowing Wall Street to pocket at least $12 trillion in return for contributions of less than $1 million per investment house.... Most devastatingly, Obama and his Democratic legislative allies have successfully shielded their Wall Street masters from anything worthy of the name financial reform. This means finance capital and its "shadow," derivatives-based economy (nominally, ten times bigger than the "real" global economy) remain beyond the reach of meaningful public intervention by conventional methods. With the air knocked out of mainstream reformers' bony chests, Wall Street is poised for a Great Offensive against the political and social infrastructure of the United States.... http://www.blackagendareport.com/?q=content/we-are-cornered-theres-no-way-out-without-fight I bet even MLK would want to kick Obama's ass. |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Bobert Date: 29 Aug 10 - 09:50 PM And exactly how does this relate to this thread??? (Oh yeah, Obama is black and so was MLK and Al Sharpton, Boberdz...) Oh, then I reckon that I could just start talkin' about, ahhhhhh, Donald Duck because Walt Disney was white and so is Gken Beck??? Come on, itch... Start another thread if ya like but don't play games... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: ichMael Date: 29 Aug 10 - 10:28 PM Glen Ford points out that Obama is Wall Street's guy. That's not good for you, is it, as you try to portray the "wealthy Republicans" as different from the Democrats? Beck/Palin/Obama are all on the same team. They are all part of the Establishment Party. Everybody knows that now. The divide and conquer stuff is losing its effectiveness. |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: GUEST,Neil D Date: 30 Aug 10 - 09:08 AM From: Q Date: 29 Aug 10 - 02:08 PM Bobert's tirade is really against middle-class, conservative Americans, who have built the country, and only emphasizes the divisions that are weakening the country. Middle-class conservative Americans who built the country ... on the graves of murdered Natives, using the slave-driver's whip. Don't drink the Tea! Don't drink the Tea! |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Bobert Date: 30 Aug 10 - 09:51 AM Listen, itchy... I'm noy discounting the importance of yer post... I think it would make for a good thread... Just doesn't fit here... How about starting another thread on it... It ***is*** important... Yeah, Neil... Bingo!!! There are one shitload of disenfrancised people in this country and I find it hypocritical that the infastructure and wealth of the nation was buld mainly on the backs of balck laborers yet it's these crybaby white people who didn't bother to get an education who we now hear crying ***for more***... That's the real deal here... The conversation we should be having is one about *repair*ations for out African American citizens, who BTW, ancestors have been here a lot longed than most of the crybabies... Yeah, let's take care of little situation... Or at least own up to our history... Then we can get around to the larger issue and that is that everyone in the working class is getting poked in the posterior by Boss Hog & Co... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: beardedbruce Date: 30 Aug 10 - 11:05 AM "the Washington Post and was looking at about 300 people at the Beck/Palin rally " And if ** I ** select a picture of a rally, showing less than .1 %, YOU will allow me to draw conclusions to match MY biases? I somehow doubt you will give ANYONE the rights YOU claim for yourself. |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 30 Aug 10 - 03:23 PM The 300,000 (minimum estimate) contained mostly middle class people from all parts of the country, some of whom came at great expense. They disaprove of current conditions; they will vote against the party in power, but are not wedded to either one. Obesity is a world problem, not confined to any group. |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Cool Beans Date: 30 Aug 10 - 05:18 PM Al Sharpton, Glenn Beck: Douchebags of the Left and Right. I hope they're happy together. |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: beardedbruce Date: 30 Aug 10 - 06:37 PM "Different faiths, different colors Day Gardner (left) and Alveda King at Restoring Honor rally The crowd itself included veterans, parents, disabled Americans, people of all ages and – contrary to some criticism leveled against the rally – attendees of many races and ethnicities. Day Gardner, president of the National Black Pro-Life Union based in Washington, D.C., for example, stood on the platform with Alveda King as she recalled her uncle Martin Luther King Jr.'s historic "I Have a Dream" speech. Before the multitudes assembled Alveda King proclaimed, "If Uncle Martin could be here today … he would surely remind us that as brothers and sisters, united by one blood in one single race, the human race, we are called to honor God and to love each other." Praising the entire rally, Gardner exclaimed, "It was phenomenal! "It felt great to be up there with all these wonderful leaders, the black pro-life leaders from all over the country," Gardner said. "I was extremely proud of my sister in Christ and my dear friend, Dr. Alveda King. … Seeing her walk out where her uncle and her father were 47 years ago – my eyes welled up, and I had a lump in my throat, because we have come a really long way." " http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=197029 |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Bobert Date: 30 Aug 10 - 06:54 PM Wrong rally, bb... I specifially said it was the Beck rally... How do you know these thing, Q??? Because Beck says so... Or the Tea Party says so??? Why no blacks... As for obesity??? I belive the percentage of blubber on the front page of Sunday's Washington Posy far outweighs (pun intended) the national average for white men... Hard to find any who ain't got a big ol' beer belly floppin' over the belt... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: beardedbruce Date: 30 Aug 10 - 07:08 PM Right rally Bobert. THAT was the Beck rally. YOU are the one in error in your statements. "SOMETHING IN THE AIR Glenn Beck crowd: Not so white as advertised Many creeds, colors in attendance refute charges of racism against rally -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted: August 29, 2010 7:10 pm Eastern By Anita Crane © 2010 WorldNetDaily WASHINGTON – Hundreds of thousands of Americans – of many creeds and colors – made what ended up being a pilgrimage of sorts to the Lincoln Memorial in Washington, D.C., for Glenn Beck's Restoring Honor rally. Catholics, other Christians and Jews spoke to WND on site, many celebrating the themes of faith and reliance on God proclaimed from the platform. As WND reported, Beck proclaimed the purpose of the rally, saying, "It has nothing to do with politics; it has everything to do with God." Beck, the Fox News TV host and a professed Mormon, urged his fellow Americans to live according to the Christian virtues of faith, hope and charity. He asked everyone to enter into 40 days of deep prayer, an obvious plea to imitate Jesus Christ's 40 days of prayer and fasting in the wilderness. Beck also preached the Christian philosophy that the common good starts with individuals, and therefore, he said, Americans need to begin by examining their souls. " |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Bobert Date: 30 Aug 10 - 07:38 PM Nah, Bruce... If you examine the photograph on page one on Sunday's Post... BTW, Page one means the front page of the newspaper, there is a photograph oh about 300 (maybe 400) people at the Beck rally next to the Reflecting Pool... With me so far??? I'm not talkin' about some close-up piccure buried in the paper somewhere but the front page... What I did was took the lower half of that picture because it was alot clearer as to who was whome and vice versa... You with me yet??? You got the printed copy there??? From that core sample of folks in attendence this is where I got my percentages... Okay, I might by off by 2% points but if any college sophmore was asked to repeat the infomal observation that I made then the numbers would be very close... I mean, this represented the face of the people who attended the Beck ralley... Not some close-up of King's garnd-daughter on back pages or the Sharpton rally... me thinks you are jus' playing games here... This really ain't rocket sergery here... How many black faces in the picture I completely described above??? B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: beardedbruce Date: 30 Aug 10 - 07:51 PM Bobert, You are being fooled by the WP propaganda. There are videos of the rally, and pictures of people on the stage- and some are black- so YOU are wrong, wherther you recognze it or not. I'll post more of the article, since you can't bother to read the clickie before stating that what YOU believe MUST be true, even if it contradicts the facts of the matter. I have a picture from Sharpton's rally- ONLT blacks in it- should I claim that there are no whites who support him????? "Ron Miller enjoyed the rally with friends from his home state of Maryland. "I've attended and spoken at several tea party rallies, but Glenn Beck's rally exceeded my expectations," observed Miller. "The others were like pep rallies to fire up the team before it takes the field. Restoring Honor was a revival, calling us to honor those men and women who gave everything they had, including their lives, to defend us. Beck got it right when he asked us to get down on our knees and repent to God for the salvation of our nation." Miller, a black Christian and author of "Sellout: Musings from Uncle Tom's Porch," told WND he's been outraged by claims reported in the media that the tea parties are racist and that Beck's rally was somehow a slap against Martin Luther King Jr. "Those naysayers who compare us to the Ku Klux Klan are despicable," Miller said. "By making such a ludicrous comparison, they have revealed themselves to be morally bankrupt, so they no longer warrant a hearing from Americans of good will. "Americans of many races were given prominence on stage for the world to see," Miller continued. "I was moved to tears by Dave Roever's heartfelt prayer at the end. What a beautiful sacrifice he made, and what a tower of grace he is to stand before us today as a testimony to perseverance, courage and love." Roever, whom Beck introduced by recounting the Navy veteran's inspiring recovery from a disfiguring injury in Vietnam, led a prayer for the nation. Afterward, he spoke to WND about the enormous gathering. "I think it's made about 90 percent of the politicians in this city very nervous," Roever said. "Some of them are tremblin' in their offices right now because this is a statement – not only to D.C., but to the whole country – that we're not going to be satisfied with the status quo." Roever said he wants all politicians – from the president to lawmakers to activist judges – to know that many people are fed up like him: "There is so much corruption, back scratchin,' deals made," he stressed. "The No. 1 issue bothering me is that they know their time is short, so they ramrod anything through Congress, and it's more difficult to repeal a law than it is to get that law made. "They're hoping their agenda will survive, but I don't think it will," said Roever. "I've never seen my country like this. I didn't go to Vietnam and get my face blown off, my fingers blown off, my body damaged and wounded beyond repair for what this government's doing right now." " |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Bobert Date: 30 Aug 10 - 08:02 PM The Post propganda, bruce??? What, the same paper that ran every danged thing that the Bush/Cheney war machine wanted them to run during the Mad-dash-to-Iraq on Page One??? The same paper whoes editiorial staff endorsed the Busn invasion??? The same paper that will no longer print any of my letters to them since I blasted them (in letter form) for succumbing to a "culture" (their word, not mine) for falling for the Bush/Cheney lies but refused to answer my simple question of what cahnges they had made to see that it doesn't happen again??? Nah, bruce... You are 100% wrong here... I mean, I looked at every news clip from the rally that I could find broadacst on various news channels and the pic that the Post ran is accurate of what was being put out by all the major networks, Fox included... Sorry... But you are wrong on this one... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: beardedbruce Date: 30 Aug 10 - 09:29 PM Did you bother to read my clickie? Are you now statinh that BLACK people become white when they attend Beck Rallies, in order to make you correct??? I think that the presence of Day Gardner and Alveda King trump YOUR analysis of the picture selected by the Post to back up THEIR viewpoint. I saw video- what evidence do YOU have that they were just whites in blackface, as YOU seem to claim??? |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: katlaughing Date: 30 Aug 10 - 11:11 PM I wonder if all of the conservative Christians who are following the pied piper of lunacy realise he is a member of the Mormon Church, and as such, believes none of them will make it into "heaven." If they study the tenets of the LDS, they might be surprised. For instance: Is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints just another Protestant religion? No, the Mormon Church does not claim to be Protestant. It claims to be a divine restoration of Christ's true church. It therefore rejects the validity of any other church. Its basic beliefs place it outside the standard doctrines of Christianity. Mormonism teaches that the God to whom they pray is but one of a whole series of gods who at one time were mortal then progressed to godhood. The LDS Church teaches that their Heavenly Father was once born as a spirit child of a god and wife who ruled a different world. After maturing as a spirit being he was sent to another world where he was born as a human. There he grew to maturity, married, died, was resurrected, went to heaven, progressed and eventually became the God of our world. He and his resurrected wife continue to have spirit children born to them in their heavenly realm. The Mormon man, accompanied by his wife, who is faithful to his religion, pays his tithe, attends the LDS temple rituals, etc. is hoping to eventually progress to become a god of another world, just like his Heavenly Father did. More info at THIS SITE of two former LDS members with ancestral lineage in the "church." It's time for this to come out more to the masses, imo. Esp. when the idiot casts aspersion on President Obama's religious beliefs. |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: LadyJean Date: 31 Aug 10 - 12:26 AM Glen Beck was a DJ. He played all the hits all the time on some radio station, told dirty jokes, and signed autographs at malls. Why would anyone take him seriously as a political commentator. I used to listen to Rush Limbaugh when he was Jeff Christie, a third rate rock jock on Pittsburgh's best top 40 station. I stopped listening to that station on his account. But, again, he was a DJ, why take his word on politics! |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Bobert Date: 31 Aug 10 - 09:22 AM Now here's a novel idea... Why not just turn the government over to DJs... Maybe the Greaseman could be president... BTW, bruce... Yeah, I did click on yer "Uncle (Aunt) Tom" pics and have allready addressed that link... Yeah, I know that the right would rather the narrative be different but finding the half a dozen people of color in a rally of 100,000 hardy makes the 99.999% lilly whiye Tea Party a Rainbow Coilition... Nice try, howver... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Donuel Date: 31 Aug 10 - 10:55 AM I have one thing to say. If you look at both Reverend Martin Luther King and Glen Beck, Glen's 'Palin' comparison ;^} that said...(run on sentence alert) Just because Glen calls the President of the United States a racist who hates white people and white culture and that Muslims are terrorists who need killing and Barak might be a Muslim or that The President is a Socialst bent on the destruction of the United States with Communists like Van Jones and that Obama is about to use Nazi techniques to rid America of its Constitution and religious Americans and that it only takes one person or one bullet to change history...doesn't mean he is inciting violence or the assasination of the President. More likely it means that he is determined to keep making $32,000,000 dollars a year and that he is giving his employers what they want, which is the elimination of a populist movement and its President by any merans necessary in order to advance the interests of multi national banks and corporations. If progressives really cared you would use the truth to do what Glen does with lies. Right now comedians like Stewart and Colbert are the first line of defensive against the right. Where are the heavy handed left propogandists? For example you could publish the fact that Fox News is foreign owned and operated by Australian Murdoch and the number 2 owner is a Saudi Arabian Crowned Prince. Tell America the incomes of all the Fox "contributors" and talking heads. You could suggest that Glen Beck who happens to be a Mormon with only one public wife, could easily marry Sarah Palin if she ever dumps her dead beat husband. (ugly truth alert) Yep, you too could engage in yellow journalism. What is more important, ethics or letting Obama get murdered at the hands of a religious right wing nut who has been carefully taught how important and necessary it is to shoot a black Muslim who is destroying America. They are taught that restoring America back to its original color of its founding fathers is first and foremost, HONORABLE. They are often told to take back America from the black clutches of evil even if it means your personal sacrifice. But of course he can say what he likes because its guaranteed by the 1st ammendment. But even more impressive is that God now speaks through Rev. Beck so that anytime God orders you to do something through Glen Beck, its more than OK, its obeying God. (only those who are the true faithfull will understand) Glen also makes money on the marked up Gold he sells on TV. I for one would not be surprised that in addition to coins Glen Beck will eventually sell gold bullets that are suitable for despots and dictators? Restore America Ammo, Beck's Patriots, Gods Golden Angels, Presidential Seal Shells, Traitor Killers. No matter the name, I guarantee they would sell. Besides they are not lead which amkes tree huggers happy :( I'm not laughing. It is a very expensive and dangerous game with blow back of monumental proportions. Who is martyred first is anyone's guess. But today, if forced, who would you wager to be the first to go? I wonder if Sarah or Glen realize the jeopardy they are in, now that the right stands to win huge if they sacrifice one of their own and "catch" a non white SoCialISt for the crime. They are not above using the worst fears and predjudice to light a match to this nation. Confederates did it before. What we have here are NEO CONfederates. History is on their side, at least in terms of firing the first shot. |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Bobert Date: 31 Aug 10 - 12:33 PM Yeah, Donuel... This mornin's Washington Post has an interesting article in it (Page 1) about this... Seesm that he's not exactly "understood" by lots of religious leaders... His Mormanism doesn't help either... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Bobert Date: 31 Aug 10 - 12:53 PM Hmmmmmmm??? Lemme see if I have this correct... The righties can call Obama, liberals and Dems anything that comes into their head... They can fabricate stories, i.e, lie... They can pull one emotional non-issue after another outta their trick bag to keep from havin' to discuss real issues... They can use foul language in Congress... They can try to shout down Obma from the Senate chamber... They can use corporate money in the hundreds of millions to go out an knock on millions of boors stirring up angry white people... They can help the Taliban recurit... They can threaten the other side with "2nd ammendment remedies"... They can obstruct the governing of the country... They can use their control of the media to keep real issues off the air and emotional ones front and center... They can buy whatever and whomever they want... They can call on their corporate bed-buddies to buy elections... They can use race, sex, religion in any manner that is intended to inflame and create mistrust and... ...so me or Donuel calling them on it makes them right (correct)... Have another glassd of coolaid, GUEST... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 31 Aug 10 - 01:07 PM One true church? Not only the LDS, but the Roman Catholic Church makes that claim. Others may make the same claim, and it has much historical precedent. So what? All organized groups want to be No. 1. They are free to proselytize, so long as they do not use force. As a non-believer, I am free to do the same. This thread now contains defamatory, false and bigoted statements against millions of Americans, all of whom have equal rights, right as well as left, regardless of religion. |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: pdq Date: 31 Aug 10 - 01:25 PM In case the GUEST post is deleted, here it is: Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: GUEST Date: 31 Aug 10 - 12:43 PM Donuel, your post is wonderful. I'm saving it. You and Bobert have both outdone yourselves in this thread. Your brave fight against a world filled with darkness, conspiracy, racism and hate should inspire us all. These are things we should all oppose. You should know, however, that I'm saving your words because they seem dark and hateful to me. I love my country and I love my neighbors. When you call them names, I am forced to their defense. I am no fan of Beck. I have never watched even a minute of his show. I believe you when you say that his views are extreme. But opposition to the government is a foundation of the country I love. I cannot be comfortable when opposition is taken for villainy. You may want to consider how repulsive your language is to people like me when you write about people like Beck. Posts in this thread suggest that calling the President a racist makes Beck a racist. In all honesty I cannot see why Beck calling the President a racist is any more racist than the poster calling Beck a racist. This just sounds like name-calling and I don't know why Beck did it. (If he did. I only hear about Beck's name-calling from his opponents. I don't know anybody who listens to Beck. His ideas, whatever they are, don't seem to matter much except to the people he infuriates.) But I also don't know why you are doing it. Beck can wrong, or a fool, or even a man of hate, without making us people of hate. Far more important than one broadcaster or a handful of folks posting on a Mudcat thread is respect, tolerance and forbearance. These are qualities that mean everything to me. These are qualities that define the country that I want to live in. These are qualities that must be a part of the language of politics if the speakers want my interest and support. If these qualities are missing, the speakers lose my interest and my support. To be truly clear. Your post has forced me to defend a man who I believe I would ordinarily oppose. Surely, that is not what you intended when you wrote about your own opposition. Post - Top - Forum Home - Printer Friendly - Translate |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Bobert Date: 31 Aug 10 - 01:42 PM Let me tell ya' what this GUEST's post is... It 100% phney BS... It's like these folks who write into the newspaper and say "Well, I'm a Democrat but..." before singing every verse of the Republican company fight song... I mean, after you read enough of these a pattern developes where you can smell the phoniness a mile away... I mean, HORRORS, that I or Donule should call our overt racism when it is as plain as overt racism can be but "the other side" somehow NOW needs to be defended from Donuel and me??? This is a bogus post by a partisan Republican who hates Obama and doesn't really want to discuss real issues but rather change the subject... Hey, it is what it is and in this case, with this GUEST, it is excatly what it is... Just another Obama hater in sheep's clothing... ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((Yawn))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 31 Aug 10 - 02:12 PM pdq, I often disagree with you, but thanks for putting Guest's statement under your handle. It is a well-considered post. I don't think much about Beck. I have never listened to him either, with the exception of an interview he gave after the Rally. He made it clear he has no political ambitions. He came across as a man who has found God (as a non-believer, that turns me off, but he is entitled to his beliefs). An ex-Catholic and now ostensibly LDS (Mormon). Philosophically, Beck follows W. C. Skousen, a conservative political theorist, whose book The 5,000 Year Leap recently became a best-seller in the government category. Skousen believed that forces were working to put the U. S. under a world government. Owner of a successful TV-Radio-publishing production company (Mercury Radio Arts), he has become wealthy. He rejects mankind as the sole cause of global warming but believes that it has, in part, been caused by mankind. This, it should be said, is the view of most earth scientists who are aware of the many climatic swings in earth history. He built a 'green' home (I rather doubt this, his 'colonial' cost $4.2 million). A former member of Alcoholic Anonymous, he said he struggled with 'Dr. Jack Daniels' for years. His mother committed suicide, and that and other causes were traumatic in his early life. |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 31 Aug 10 - 02:26 PM Bobert continues to add to his reputation as a bigot of the left. |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Joe Offer Date: 31 Aug 10 - 02:26 PM All right, I'll let pdq's re-post of the anonymous post go by. By rights, it should be deleted, and I will delete any anonymous messages posted or re-posted after this message. Please remember that if you wish to post at Mudcat, you are required to use a consistent name every time you post. Anonymous posts are not allowed. -Joe Offer, Forum Moderator- |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: beardedbruce Date: 31 Aug 10 - 02:42 PM "Asked about the Beck rally, President Barack Obama told "NBC Nightly News With Brian Williams" that he didn't watch it but that he understood the anxiety among some Americans. "I think that Mr. Beck and-- the rest of those folks were exercising-- their rights under our Constitution exactly as they should," Obama said. " http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-08-30/beck-says-his-restoring-honor-rally-shows-discontent-with-u-s-direction.html |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: beardedbruce Date: 31 Aug 10 - 03:25 PM Bobert, "They can fabricate stories, i.e, lie... They can pull one emotional non-issue after another outta their trick bag to keep from havin' to discuss real issues... They can use foul language in Congress... They can try to shout down Obma from the Senate chamber... They can use corporate money in the hundreds of millions to go out an knock on millions of boors stirring up angry white people... They can help the Taliban recurit... They can threaten the other side with "2nd ammendment remedies"... They can obstruct the governing of the country... They can use their control of the media to keep real issues off the air and emotional ones front and center... They can buy whatever and whomever they want... They can call on their corporate bed-buddies to buy elections... They can use race, sex, religion in any manner that is intended to inflame and create mistrust and... " Change "Obma" to "the minority" and it sounds EXACTLY like what the Dems have been doing the last 1 1/2 years... I guess reality depends on whether the result is what YOU want, or what you don't want. |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Bobert Date: 31 Aug 10 - 05:48 PM Oh really, Bruce... Have you another glass of coolaid... The Repubs only strategy is to mess up the government as much as they can with bogus issues and obstructionism... Don't blame the tone of this debate on the Dems... They have tried to get the Repubs to take government seriously but the Repub just want to play games... Now their games are giving aid to our enemy... Guess that's, in yer narrow mind, is all on the Dems, too??? As fir "bigot", Q... That isn't a word that white people are allowed to use because other white people don't happen to agree with them... That word, regardless of it's dictionary definition, has taken on its own life in the fight for civil rights... Using it because you don't agre with some one, or vice versa, is like using the word nigger to thoser of us who bothered to put our asses on the line for racial equality... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: beardedbruce Date: 31 Aug 10 - 06:12 PM Bobert, I disagree. IMO, the Dems have refused to consider ANY of the points offered by the Reps and demanded a complete surrender to the Dem viewpoint. The Reps did NOT lock the Dems out of discussions- the DEMS locked out the Repbulicans. Sorry if you do not agree- you have the right to a opinion others disagree with- BUT SO DO I. btw, got a dumpster of trash out of the school ( old moldy rugs, broken furniture, etc)- now looking at another trip up to clear out more. But what do I do with a Victrola with two broken legs on the cabinet??? |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Bobert Date: 31 Aug 10 - 06:37 PM Well, bruce... That is totally wrong thinkin' on yer part... If you look at the health care reform legisl;ation, Obama went to the Repubs early and met with them and asked them for their ideas and asked them to be part of fixing a very broken system... The Repubs answer" No, thanks, we'll just become gants and irritate ya'll, which they did... Many of the things in the legislation were things that Repubs had offered in the past but in an effort to derail any legislation short of patting the insurance companies on the backs and giving their COE's medals the Repubs instead voted against their own ideas??? What the heck was that about??? Now, as for the old school house... Didja get the basement pumped out and, more importantly, did ya get the "storm" drain line cleaned out??? Those are #1 and #2 on the project... Can't have that water in the basement and once that storm drain is open the roof will work a whole lot better, too, 'cause the water won't back up in the stack... b~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 31 Aug 10 - 08:48 PM Bobert wishes to rewrite the dictionary to excuse his bigoted remarks. "A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices." Webster's Collegiate Dictionary. |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: bobad Date: 31 Aug 10 - 09:08 PM Interviews with some of the participants at the "Restore Honor" rally on why they are there: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ht8PmEjxUfg&feature=player_embedded |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: katlaughing Date: 31 Aug 10 - 09:09 PM This thread now contains defamatory, false and bigoted statements against millions of Americans, all of whom have equal rights, right as well as left, regardless of religion. Q, are you referring to the quote I posted re' the LDS church? If so, I said nothing about their freedom of religion. I wondered at the seemingly wholehearted embrace of Beck by evangelical Christians, who, if they studied the Book of Mormon and other LDS teachings, might think twice about "strange bedfellows." |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Bobert Date: 31 Aug 10 - 09:30 PM What, Q??? Webster's... What did I say??? I said that, inspite of the dictionary definition, the term "bigot" has a special meaning to folks who were part of the civil rights movement... I doubt that you know about those experiences... For you or anyone to ****devalue****, to ****gentrify****, to ****sanitize**** the3 word "bigot" is not only insensitive to the civil right movement but to black people in general... No, I'm not going to allow ya'll to do that without callin' you out... Hey, disagree with me... Post a million words on why what I say doesn't agree with what you think... I couldn't care less... Don't ****trivialize****, ****patronize****, ****marginialize**** a word that means more than you will ever understand about "bigotry"!!! I been in the trenches and I understand that there are certain words that white folks shouldn't just throw around unless they are talkin' about the real deal... Disagreein' with someone ain't "bigotry"... It's called, ahhhhhhhh, disagreein'... Hey??? Don't believe what I'm talkin' about here??? I'll tell you the same thing that I told Sawz... Run this post off, take it to any professor that teaches "race studies" and they perhaps can explain it better... Until then??? Peace, B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 31 Aug 10 - 09:38 PM To limit application like that, Bobert, is nonsense. |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Bobert Date: 31 Aug 10 - 09:47 PM No, it isn't!!! "Bigotry" is about hating people because of their race, their ethnic background, their religion or their sexaul orientation... Webster didn't come thru the civil rights movement or he wouldn't have thought to call someone who disagrees with you a "bigot"... Like I said... You think I'm jus' messin' here... You take this post to a professor of "race studies"... I beg you to do that!!! B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: katlaughing Date: 31 Aug 10 - 10:50 PM Apologies if this has already been posted. An explanation of the only scientific analysis of how many people really attended the rally is HERE, A far, far cry from Beck's overly optimistic 500,000! |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 31 Aug 10 - 10:59 PM Most news service estimates were 300,000. Dunno how they arrived at that. (The old way to count cattle in a herd- count the legs and divide by four- but everyone has heard that one). The photos show a pretty good crowd, but dunno. I know a couple of relatives, ex-air force who came, but I'll leave the numbers to the experts. 97,000 is still a pretty fair number of citizens. |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Bobert Date: 01 Sep 10 - 09:19 AM I don't know why we always have these numbers disputes after rallys in DC... The cops have some formula for countin' from pics taken from their helicoptors... Well, I've read that, anyway... But the cops refuse to release them... Then the Wash. Post comes up with their numbers which tend to be so generalized that those estimates are meaningless.... I recall that very, very cold January demonstration in DC prior to the invasion of Iraq and the crown reminded me of the "Moretorium" (1970??? 71???)... The Post had the numbers as "tens of thousands" for the January march but 500,000 for the Moritorium??? I was at both and the amount of space that was filled was about the same for both marches??? The decieving thing about the Jefferson Memorial is the Reflecting Pool 'cause yer looking down and seein' both sides lined but that area in total (both side) won't hold much more than the width of one decent stret in DC which would make the crowd about 3 blocks worth of people... The January march had about 30 blocks of people, as did the Moritorium... So, if I had to put a number on the Beck rally, compared to either the Moritorium or the Jan march I'd say amybe 1/5th of either of them which would be around 100,000... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Donuel Date: 01 Sep 10 - 10:30 AM Bobert, you are as Obama has defined, "a thoughtful American". Like myself you may not be a genius or a singular expert in your fields of endeavor but you are courageously sincere and honest as you employ your own words. To my surprise the "stars" of mudcat seem to more often copy and paste than risk being charged with personal hyperbole or polemics. So go ahead AMos and tell me what you really think ;) I emplore you to continue to speak plainly, allow for moments of levity, use highly charged honest emotion in the middle and conclude with incontrovertible truth. When you do, you will be heard. For a year now Glenn Beck has attempted to recapture the Bush religious right by saying his redemption and personal relationship with God is filling his soul with God's commands and words that speak to the real people of America. The "event" Saturday was designed to cement a religious base that had weakened and place his statue upon it. I once heard that if you add one drop of religious blood to a blue ocean of politics the entire sea will turn red. This is Beck's hope. Its almost like one drop of truth on Fox makes it all true to some people. Half truths resonate... how about To Heck with Beck - he's not a Christian! As you see, propaganda isn't pretty and it is a truth coated lie. The next stage of Beck's propaganda parade is to create a new national symbol for the disaffected down trodden (by banks) people of faith. If you recall the national symbol of Apartheid South Africa, it looked like a swastika with three appendages instead of 4. I predict the Beck tea party symbol will be a version of the old South African flag but with straightened appendages. IT will appear a bit like a Mercedes logo but with each arm having black on one side and white on the other. He will claim that the trinity is at its heart. He will ask people to follow his flag onward to destroy those who have tried to destroy religious people of America. A sectarian war between monotheistic faiths is at risk of being ignited in this country as the mosque controversy indicates. It is not a risk to Beck, Dick Army, C Street or the Koch Brothers corporate control movement. It is intentionally designed to divide and conquer, making it easy for the ruling class to lobby any deregulated lawlessness that will benefit the wealthy class. Father Coughlin was a rank amateur compared to Glen. As cheesy as Glen's emotional outbursts and tears seem, they are a behavior modification technique that causes his listeners to become emotionally engaged and link that emotion to any blatant statement that Beck is pushing that day, be it linking to Obama health reform to Nazi Germany withdrawing care from cripples or feeling that Obama has taken America away from the honored white culture that founded this nation. As a student of propaganda, I know the most important technique of all is to repeat repeat repeat REPEAT. Repetition of any lie gives it a mantle of truth in the short run. This includes refutation of lies which keeps fueling attention back to the lie. Obama's centrist position makes him vulnerable from both right and left flanks. So far the White House idea of propaganda has been to make fun of progressives and accuse the right of mere obstruction. This can be cured but as we all see, the left is pitifully unwilling to use propaganda effectively. They think the straight truth is most effective and honorable. I believe that statement is exactly half true. The left is at yet unwilling to employ propaganda as effectively as they could, or should. |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Donuel Date: 01 Sep 10 - 10:53 AM PS Kat, I sould add that it goes without question that you too are a thoughtful American as well as many others here. (Too many to mention) |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Bobert Date: 01 Sep 10 - 11:02 AM Donuel, Do you see the similarities between Beck and bin Laden??? I sho nuff do... And now that the Talioban is having a bumper crop of fresh terrorist recruits over the non-issue mosque that Beck & Company have stirred up I'm not all to sure that Beck and bin Laden might not have each others cell phone numbers... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Donuel Date: 01 Sep 10 - 11:13 AM "A great storm will sweep across your nation bringing the truth of Allah to every man woman and child" bin Laden "A great wind is blowing across our country restoring the truth of Jesus Christ and the promise for redemption" Glen Beck The formula for religious based states is the same, but the people who use them are waaay different. |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Bobert Date: 01 Sep 10 - 12:22 PM Seems we're on the same page here, Donuel... |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: beardedbruce Date: 01 Sep 10 - 12:39 PM Donuel, Speaking of winds and religious based states... "Barack Obama's victory in last week's presidential election has sent a gust of change blasting through the Senate, leaving this most stable and august legislative body in a state of unprecedented upheaval. " http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article5119249.ece |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: katlaughing Date: 01 Sep 10 - 12:52 PM Donuel, thank you for your spot-on take on things, for the courage to continue posting, you, too, Bobert, and for the compliment. Yes, many of us are thoughtful...I wish more had to energy/willingness to post more. I understand not wanting to stick one's neck out or dipping a toe in. To Heck with Beck...I LIKE that! And, you're right...what has happened to the used-to-be vocal Left? I guess some have forgotten the old adage, fight fire with fire. I wish President Obama would be be less centrist and really kick some ass, so to speak! kat |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Donuel Date: 01 Sep 10 - 01:18 PM The wind metaphor works well during hurricane season. B ruce, The TImes?! Can't you find an American owned media other than the Korean owned Washington Times and Australian and Saudi Arabian owned Wall St. Journal? Or do you revile the NYT for being American? (rhetorical question) May you have an uneventful Hurricane Earl. I buy American. I even buy General Motors despite the mentally challenged (aka retarded) management. But to be honest I will look at media from any nation while reserving judgement of its veracity by the sources cited and ownership. If beggars got wishes: I speculate that If Senator Kennedy had not been striken the Health care reform would have been delivered more efficiently and comfortably. A stimulus plan along the lines of a sweeping FDR deal would have been passed while the banks would probably have still recieved the treasury on a velvet pillow. This would have bought us more time. I wish Barak had been as honest and direct in his response to banksters as FDR was BUT the world economy would have probably had a dozen or more Greece backrupt scenarios which would make make recovery speedier at the expense of much desperation, violence and extreme economic turmoil in the short run. It will take a realistic 15 years to weather the blow of the greatest banking take over and theft the world has known since Spanish Conquistadors sacked all the gold from South America. |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Donuel Date: 01 Sep 10 - 03:06 PM My Inheriting the wind cartoon http://usera.ImageCave.com/donuel/don/judge.gif |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Bobert Date: 01 Sep 10 - 03:06 PM Wasn't just the banks, Donuel... As you are well aware, the US working class has been fleeced at every turn going back to Reagan's deregulations and less and less control over the markets... The bottom line is that there has been a massive redistribution of wealth to the wealthy and away from the working class... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: katlaughing Date: 01 Sep 10 - 03:10 PM Excellent work, Donuel. Thanks! |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Donuel Date: 01 Sep 10 - 03:24 PM PDQ Beck is villanous first and formost for inciting people to kill the President. He has done so in a myriad of ways, all of which can be viewed but is a thread in itself. After that the rest of his false history lessons and theological rants in support of the Corporate status quo is actually a refined think tank generated brain washing technique. As cheesy as it looks it has very real ramifications. Beck's rants have come out of other people's mouths at town hall meetings all over this country. His rhetoric coming out of a woman's mouth at a town hall meeting with Barney Frank took Barney by surprise and Barney asked the lady if she was from Mars. She was merely repeating the nutzoid rants from the Beck show which occupies 21 hours on the Fox cable channel every week. His radio broadcasts occupy over 8 hours a week on Clear Channel AM stations. Stephen Colbert and John Stewart are so far the best antidote for Glen Beck's formula for inspiring anxiety, hate and division through the use of religion, delusional analogies and historic distortions. |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Donuel Date: 01 Sep 10 - 03:27 PM I agree with the Reaganomic take over of the Executive branch by Wall St. Other damage goes back to Nixon, Bush 1 and Clinton. |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Donuel Date: 01 Sep 10 - 03:35 PM Cool Beans - PM Date: 30 Aug 10 - 05:18 PM Al Sharpton, Glenn Beck: Douchebags of the Left and Right. I hope they're happy together. " Douche' " |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Bobert Date: 01 Sep 10 - 04:44 PM I don't give Nixon all that much blame, Donuel... He was too busy with his own problems to begine dismantlin' the post-GreatDepression regulations... But Clinton sho nuff didn't buck Ronnie-omics... Just let the Fat Cats steal whatever they could that the workin' class didn't nail down... As for Beck and Palin promoting an atmosphere where folks might try to harm or kill Obama??? Yeah... Palin never once stood up to her redneck crowds where "Kill him" and "Hang him" were yelled... Meanwhile, Beck was stirrin' these folks up... To date, I can't think of one time any Repub has ever stood up and said "No need for this kinda hate speech"... No, the Repubs love it... McCain did have that one ***good moment*** when he told that woman that Obama was not a Muslim but I think that one ***good moment*** is about it for the Repubs, Beck and Ms. Sarah... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Donuel Date: 01 Sep 10 - 05:01 PM Nixon was presented with the first model of a health care industry to be doled out by HMO's. He was shown the great new corporate profits for Republican middlemen and so he introduced the first HMO health care delivery system with each middleman taking a huge slice of the pie paid for by medicine denied and operations the insurance company would refuse to pay for. ( See Sicko) For example the school lunch program for kids getting a breakfast lunch and dinner snack is $6.98 in our neck of the woods. Exactly one dollar goes toward the food and the rest is administrative costs. With health care for every one hundred dollars of health care you pay for, $88 dollars is administrative. |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: katlaughing Date: 01 Sep 10 - 07:00 PM At least Clinton left office with a balanced budget and no deficit, despite Ken Starr and harassment from the GOP. |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Bobert Date: 01 Sep 10 - 07:38 PM Weren't all that Clinton left office with... B;~) |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Donuel Date: 01 Sep 10 - 09:28 PM ..tail between his legs. |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: katlaughing Date: 02 Sep 10 - 12:33 PM Excellent op/ed piece about Beck and his disdain for "liberation theology," HERE. Here's part of it: Glenn Beck's opposition to "social justice" and "liberation theology" is all the more difficult to understand because of his cloaking of himself in the mantle of devout believer. "Look to God and make your choice," he said during his rally on Sunday. If he looked at Jesus more carefully he would see someone who already made a choice: for the poor. |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: GUEST,Neil D Date: 02 Sep 10 - 01:15 PM Barney Frank asking woman what planet she spends her time on. He also said having a conversation with her would be like arguing with a table. I love this guy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Bobert Date: 02 Sep 10 - 06:32 PM I read that op-ed, Kat... Purdy interesting... Me thinks that before Rev. Beck get's back in the pulpit he might want to check out seminary... I mean, AA just ain't quite all that is needed to be ordained... At least in most churches... No matter... The man has alot of cinfusion about theology... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Desert Dancer Date: 05 Sep 10 - 12:54 PM This is an interesting and different perspective on Beck and his event: Dr. King's Newest Marcher, By Taylor Branch, OpEd in the NY Times. It does not address Beck's hateful statements the very next day, which I heard echoed exactly by some high-up in the Southern Baptist church in an interview on Monday, but does it hold up some hope? Probably it depends a lot on whom he chooses to spend his time with. ~ Becky in Long Beach |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: robomatic Date: 05 Sep 10 - 03:27 PM I have not heard enough of Mr Beck to draw conclusions, but Al Sharpton as a standard bearer for Marting Luther King's idealistic speeches and brave public stances is enough to put me off my lunch. So...thanks Mr. Sharpton! |
