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Tech: Problem with Firefox 3.6.10

Bernard 05 Oct 10 - 07:43 PM
The Fooles Troupe 05 Oct 10 - 07:52 PM
Jack Campin 05 Oct 10 - 10:14 PM
SteveMansfield 06 Oct 10 - 03:30 AM
Wolfhound person 06 Oct 10 - 04:18 AM
buddhuu 06 Oct 10 - 05:26 AM
GUEST,Grishka 06 Oct 10 - 06:28 AM
Bernard 06 Oct 10 - 09:45 AM
GUEST,Grishka 06 Oct 10 - 01:08 PM
Bernard 06 Oct 10 - 02:34 PM
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Subject: Tech: Problem with Firefox 3.6.10
From: Bernard
Date: 05 Oct 10 - 07:43 PM

Someone emailed me to tell me the Lymm Folk Club links page was unreadable...

Anyway, after a bit of prodding around, it turns out that the culprit is Mozilla Firefox 3.6.10, which is displaying green text in black - it doesn't show up against my black background too well!

Temporarily I've changed the page to use yellow text instead, with a line at the bottom in green so I'll know when they've fixed it.

Meanwhile, anyone designing and maintaining websites needs to be aware of this problem, which isn't apparent in IE8 or Google Chrome.

It doesn't matter whether you use "green", "ltgreen" or "#00ff00", the difference is the same.

They call it progress!!


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Subject: RE: Tech: Problem with Firefox 3.6.10
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 05 Oct 10 - 07:52 PM

This is one of the reasons I prefer dark text on light - like a printed page anyway.... :-)

What is happening is that somehow the HTML default (black) for the text is overriding .... wonder if any other colors are 'broken' ....

Noted in case other pages go weird - I often try the old 'highlight' trick before I give up anyway....

Interesting in how the mudcat link (visited, but not from your page) shows up in green .... that must be your override for the link colors still working (vLink="cyan")


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Subject: RE: Tech: Problem with Firefox 3.6.10
From: Jack Campin
Date: 05 Oct 10 - 10:14 PM

Purple, pink, mid-green and red text on an icky pale green background here (latest FF on a Mac). Subsidiary pages are mostly screaming neon green on black.

Probably completely unreadable for folks with some kinds of colourblindness and yucky for everybody else.

The festival page (photo background) and the obits (black on white) look fine... everything else - urgh. And I don't think you can blame Firefox for that.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Problem with Firefox 3.6.10
From: SteveMansfield
Date: 06 Oct 10 - 03:30 AM

Ew, my eyes. Just because HTML and CSS will allow you to put pink text on a lime green background, it doesn't mean you should ....

There's reasons why sites like the BBC, Amazon, Ebay, Google etc go for a neutral or white background behind black text, and it's all to do with legibility and comfortable reading. That's not me being snotty, it's proven research supported by people like the above and also by organisations like the RNIB and Henshaws.

Seriously Bernard, if the site is broken in the latest FF, take it as an opportunity to do a redesign and, as a top priority, severely scale the colour-scheme back.

Who knows, you may get a few more people at the club nights, because they can come out for the night rather than spending the night in a darkened room with a lymmfolkclub.org.uk - induced migraine ....


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Subject: RE: Tech: Problem with Firefox 3.6.10
From: Wolfhound person
Date: 06 Oct 10 - 04:18 AM

There ought to be a workaround to alter all black backgrounds - I just won't read websites that have them - period.

I agree with the others - re-design!

Paws


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Subject: RE: Tech: Problem with Firefox 3.6.10
From: buddhuu
Date: 06 Oct 10 - 05:26 AM

I had a similar bloody nightmare with a site I built recently for a local business.

CSS is a great way to build sites. Much better than the old way of filling the code with tables, but there's a bug of some kind that means you have to "clear" elements in some cases where you use a lot of "float" positioning, otherwise it screws up the display of background colours.

The biggest problem has always been that different browsers render HTML and CSS differently. IMHO, Internet Explorer is the biggest b*stard on that count.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Problem with Firefox 3.6.10
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 06 Oct 10 - 06:28 AM

My Firefox 3.1 just doesn't know the nonstandard keyword "ltgreen" you are using. "lightgreen" works (yielding #90ee90 as it should), and so does #00FF00 (pure green), with or without quotes. Either your version has a genuine bug, or you goofed your tests.

Other browsers "understand" fancy "color" names such as "villagegreen".

Since I'm not a web designer, I'm not gonna tell you that <FONT> is deprecated...


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Subject: RE: Tech: Problem with Firefox 3.6.10
From: Bernard
Date: 06 Oct 10 - 09:45 AM

GUEST,Grishka... using keywords was simply an attempt to find out what the problem was. I originally had 00FF00 defining the link colour in the header, and it's been that way for many years without any issues.

I didn't 'goof my tests', as I was responding to someone who pointed out there was a problem when they tried to view the page. If you'd read the first line of my opening post you might just have realised that!!

The tag works fine with both IE8 and Google Chrome, so Firefox clearly has a bug, as it appears to interpret all the other colours correctly. Think before you write!

As I don't normally use Firefox, I asked which version they were using and they said 3.6.10 (latest version at the time of writing). I downloaded and installed it, and found I had the same problem - 00FF00 showed up as black, as does any 'green' keyword.

As a 'links' page is really only there to improve the website's rankings on search engines, I shan't lose too much sleep over it. The 'newsletter' page is really the only page other than festival info that people are likely to spend time on, and Lymm is a thriving club, so the website is really only intended to keep our regulars informed - and they get paper handouts every week.

Had the site been primarily a marketing tool I may have been more inclined to take some of the above comments on board, but you cannot seriously believe that a local folk club is likely to pick up much traffic from a website?!!

Posters in local libraries and plugs on local radio do the job quite well, thank you... and at least our newsletter page (and downloadable 'where are we' RTF file ) is kept up to date quite some way into the future... trying to fill our Diary Dates on 'Sounds of Folk' (Oldham Community Radio 99.7fm Mondays 7.00pm) is made very difficult by the many club organisers who cannot be bothered to keep their sites up to date!


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Subject: RE: Tech: Problem with Firefox 3.6.10
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 06 Oct 10 - 01:08 PM

Before I posted my previous reply, I took the trouble to load the page you mentioned, which at its bottom has a line declared <font color="ltgreen">... It renders black in my Firefox and green in my IE8. I changed "ltgreen" to the legal keyword "lightgreen" and it worked correctly in both browsers. I didn't see anything about link colors, nor did you ask for them. Now you must find that out by yourself. Hint: don't write "ltgreen".


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Subject: RE: Tech: Problem with Firefox 3.6.10
From: Bernard
Date: 06 Oct 10 - 02:34 PM

GUEST,Grishka... either you're deliberately flaming me, or you're just a bit dense... YOU AREN'T LOOKING AT THE ORIGINAL PAGE, BUT A SUBSTITUTE I'VE PUT THERE UNTIL FIREFOX IS MENDED. YOU CANNOT, THEREFORE, MAKE ANY SORT OF JUDGEMENT UPON IT!!!

Okay, I accept that 'ltgreen' isn't apparently supported by Firefox, but IN THE ORIGINAL IT WAS 00FF00 WHICH IS! Except that in 3.6.10 it doesn't seem to be fully supported.

I'll just put the page back as it was, I think. Firefox will be mended eventually.

;o)


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Subject: RE: Tech: Problem with Firefox 3.6.10
From: Bernard
Date: 06 Oct 10 - 03:17 PM

By the way, don't bother responding, as I think I'd rather have this thread deleted than have it descend into yet another IE / Firefox / PC /Mac slanging match...


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Subject: RE: Tech: Problem with Firefox 3.6.10
From: Bernard
Date: 06 Oct 10 - 04:21 PM

I've had an email from the chap whose complaint brought it to my attention... as he's able to read the page in its current form, I'll leave it that way for now.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Problem with Firefox 3.6.10
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 06 Oct 10 - 04:54 PM

Who is flaming?

I don't judge your page (as the other posters do, and I actually think they have a point), I just told you about a mistake I saw on the current page, where the last line says:

<font color="ltgreen">Mozilla Firefox 3.6.10 displays green text as black...!!></font>

This seemed to me like a demonstration of the suspected bug. If you say I was mistaken, ok, but I don't think you can accuse me of malicious fault-finding.

Also I nowhere claimed to have solved all your problems, which you wouldn't have deserved anyway.

Grishka


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Subject: RE: Tech: Problem with Firefox 3.6.10
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Oct 10 - 10:06 PM

3.6.10 crashes when accessing www.pelopas.webs.com
Internet Explorer (even 9 beta) and previous versions of Firefox worked fube


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Subject: RE: Tech: Problem with Firefox 3.6.10
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 08 Oct 10 - 11:04 PM

I have no problems (FF 3.6.10 - Ubuntu) with www.pelopas.webs.com, but then I have it locked down with no externals sites able to load anything amd MoScript running to block Flash.

But it's all Greek to me ... :-P


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