BS: Disaster for the Democrats?

Subject: RE: BS: Disaster for the Democrats?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Nov 10 - 12:32 PM

Actually, the best health care SYSTEM in found in Taiwan.
And Donuel, will you make up at least one of your minds???

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Disaster for the Democrats?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Nov 10 - 12:29 PM

The best health care system in the world is presently in France, LEJ and the USA stands in about 37th place worldwide. ;-) But I would assume you know that. You did, after all, place quotation marks around the phrase "best health care system in the world" (Ha! Ha!).

Subject: RE: BS: Disaster for the Democrats?
From: Bill D
Date: 03 Nov 10 - 12:24 PM

"... they'll just argue..."

Yep..a lot of them will. We are coping with personalities as well as sense and reason. Gotta start somewhere, though.

Dan, I too favor some better way of conducting primaries and finding decent candidates. Reducing the effect of big spending is a major part of it. There are SO many reasonably competent ones who would never even try because of the time and expense.

Subject: RE: BS: Disaster for the Democrats?
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 03 Nov 10 - 12:23 PM

Trends:

Access to the "best health care system in the world" will become more and more difficult. As more companies cut or eliminate health care for their employees(as mine has), NOT offering health insurance will become more and more the norm. When the average angry white voter has lost his health insurance, and can find no other without taking out a second mortgage, the clamor for a national health insurance program will become a mandate which even propaganda can't overcome.

Things in the marketplace ARE improving. Republicans and Tea Partyists choose to ignore the growing recovery, just as many liberals chose to ignore the success of the Surge in Iraq.Truth is, had Obama not injected massive cash into the system, and had the banks been allowed to fail, the average ignorant voter would have had a hell of a lot more to be pissed about. The truth is, at Obama's election, we were tiptoe on the brink of complete economic collapse. Two years later, we have the luxury of criticizing his approach as wasteful.

Subject: RE: BS: Disaster for the Democrats?
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Nov 10 - 12:22 PM

If you feel you are on the sidelines you are too close to see the real game. You have to step far enough back to see the owners.

Subject: RE: BS: Disaster for the Democrats?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Nov 10 - 12:19 PM

Yup. A Fooled Again electorate. The electorate is fooled every time. They were fooled when Reagan was elected. They were fooled when Bush I was elected. They were fooled when Clinton was elected. They were fooled when Bush II was elected(?). They were fooled when Bush II was elected(?) again. They were fooled when Obama was elected. They were fooled at this midterm election. They will continue being fooled by the great Duopoly as it serves the corporate/banking Oligarchy that funds it and plays the people off against each other through divisive media Hoo-Hah, war propaganda, race baiting, gender baiting, trivial sex and crime stories, sensationalism and "news" that is nothing more than a mixture of superficial entertainment and bizarre propaganda...because a few people at the top of the Oligarchy own the mass media, and the purpose of the mass media is to manufacture public opinion and keep the public divided, misinformed, angry, ignorant, afraid, drugged, and distracted.

Donuel, your George Carlin clip is right on the mark. Americans actually live in Orwell's 1984...but it's quite different from the way Orwell envisioned it in his book. He did not realize how ruthlessly effective a privately owned corporate marketing and banking system can be when placed in the hands of utterly unscrupulous people. He thought something like Stalinism would be the ultimate threat. He was wrong about that. Dour, austere Stalinism is simply not nearly as good at seducing people as a clever corporate marketing system is...because a corporate marketing system appeals directly to their weaknesses and their appetites and gives them the impression that they have a choice. Thus the monkeys don't even see the bars of the cage that is placed around them. They cooperate in their own enslavement. They become their own jailers.

Subject: RE: BS: Disaster for the Democrats?
From: olddude
Date: 03 Nov 10 - 12:16 PM

If there were no parties period, we would be in a much better situation I think. Many states allow anyone to vote in a primary (not just a party member) I think if everyone was an Independent things would be better or at least have a chance at being better. I also think the big dollars made quite a bit of impact. The spending was obscene and it will get worse. The Supreme Court ruling did not do the country any favors. But as I said - along with power and being elected comes with it great expectations. We will see if they hold the job or not or simply have it continue to be a bitch session in congress and nothing else.

Subject: RE: BS: Disaster for the Democrats?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Nov 10 - 12:12 PM

Yeah, Bill, but instead of LISTENING to reason, one side or the other, they'll just argue...looking to cater to the common denominator of the lowest intelligence!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Disaster for the Democrats?
From: Bill D
Date: 03 Nov 10 - 12:09 PM

Well, GfS...we could go back to elections of 100...or 200 years ago, when poll taxes and literacy tests and laws denying the vote to women were providing a slightly MORE "informed electorate".

In the meantime, we need to find ways to cut down on the amount of blatant lying used to FOOL the electorate. Impossible, you say? Perhaps...but a goal....

Subject: RE: BS: Disaster for the Democrats?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 03 Nov 10 - 12:01 PM

>>Likewise, if either party doesn't work together, they will be out. I do not think the Independents looked at this election as an embrace of the republican party, but more of we will force a change but you need to get your act together.<<<

If your test is the lack of willingness to work togther, you are the one who has failed. As others have said, all you had to do is pay attention the Republicans announced strategy.

Subject: RE: BS: Disaster for the Democrats?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Nov 10 - 11:56 AM

INFORMED ELECTORATE??????

Informed by who?? The people Carlin was referring to in the link??
You obviously succumb too easily to flattery.....You should apply to be in Obama's cabinet!

I think what you meant was FOOLED AGAIN ELECTORATE!

And Donuel, you just contradicted yourself again...Is this some sort of 'musical surprise' through counterpoint??

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Disaster for the Democrats?
From: Bill D
Date: 03 Nov 10 - 11:56 AM

I am, as you'd expect, disappointed that there was such a swing to the right. I understand 'why' in some ways, and I don't understand in others..(and don't give me wild generalizations purporting to 'explain' some of the stranger results...pundits whose business it is are still puzzling over many results).

What I am fascinated and encouraged by is that a number of the most extreme Tea-Party/Republicans did NOT win, and Alaska may still avoid one of the worst. Meg Whitman's money didn't buy her a win, and may have even worked against her. Christene O'Donnell was soundly rejected...Sharron Angle failed to knock off Harry Reid, even though many in Nevada were disappointed in Reid. That tells you that many simply saw what a disaster Angle would have been.

There were still many wins by right-wingers that will make this next Congress awkward....mostly for the Republican leadership that has to cope with their mouths for at least 2 years.

All *I* can do is what I did yesterday...vote and read and try to make sense of it all....and occasionally say so here on Mudcat... ☺.

This election, even as it disappoints me, shows that we CAN change things, and that is a good thing. We shall see which way the wind is blowing in 2 years, hmmm?

Subject: RE: BS: Disaster for the Democrats?
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Nov 10 - 11:45 AM

Just dumb luck, Donuel.

Subject: RE: BS: Disaster for the Democrats?
From: Sawzaw
Date: 03 Nov 10 - 11:42 AM

"The rich bastards at the top of the system"

No LH, it is the talking heads you see on TV and the book writers and the talk radio shows that profit from the divisions the most.

The rich bastards profit either way.

Why do people have to have something to blame everything on? Does it excuse them from having to admit to being part of the problem?

I feel like I am on the sidelines watching a big ass rumble between two foolish gangs or tribes.

I voted for the person, not the tribe they belonged to. I based it on their stance on different issues. I voted for Democrats and Republicans. I didn't let partisan politics [tribal warfare] blind me.

Subject: RE: BS: Disaster for the Democrats?
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Nov 10 - 11:41 AM

Greg how did you become such a reasoning human being?
Was it a mentor, higher education or an innate thirst for wisdom?

Subject: RE: BS: Disaster for the Democrats?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Nov 10 - 11:41 AM

Donuel: "BTW I am not a Democrat or Republican, I am for any person party or movement that understand this ONE BASIC TRUTH>>>"....(and then the link.

We cross threaded, and I AGREE!!!!
As I just posted:

GfS; "Too bad both polarized parties don't give a shit!..The illusion they are selling you, is that they do. Get over it!"

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Disaster for the Democrats?
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Nov 10 - 11:38 AM

In a DEMOCRACY the people spoke. By the sounds of it, that pisses a lot of you off.

No, in a DEMOCRACY the INFORMED ELECTORATE is supposed to speak. This time around, the contest was decided by uninformed ignoramuses on the basis of Republican TeaBagger lies and an Amazon-sized river of bullshit and fear.

I think you'll find that THAT is what pisses a lot of us off.

Subject: RE: BS: Disaster for the Democrats?
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Nov 10 - 11:25 AM

BTW I am not a Democrat or Republican, I am for any person party or movement that understand this ONE BASIC TRUTH>>>
ONE BASIC TRUTH

Subject: RE: BS: Disaster for the Democrats?
From: GUEST,Alan whittle
Date: 03 Nov 10 - 11:23 AM

Say what you like about Bush and sarah Paling and all the rest of them...at least they're not black.

Isn't that really what its all about? there was no way Obama was going sort out the shish kebab Bush had made of his country in two years.

centre right...my arse! given the social history of the USA, there must be millions of Americans to whom a black President is unacceptable.

I can't really imagine a black politician getting even as far as Obabma did in England.

Subject: RE: BS: Disaster for the Democrats?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Nov 10 - 11:17 AM

Jeez.....In a DEMOCRACY the people spoke. By the sounds of it, that pisses a lot of you off. What did you expect?..another failed edict from 'On High'?

Whether any of us like it or not, and there is room for apprehension, the people voted. Had the Democrats LISTENED to the American people when they were ramming their agendas through, this might not have happened...but...

......What goes around, comes around!

Fair enough?

Too bad both polarized parties don't give a shit!..The illusion they are selling you, is that they do. Get over it!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Disaster for the Democrats?
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Nov 10 - 11:16 AM

Indeed Obama saved Capitalism but that was not the bridge too far.
IT was not going for medicare for all, and even if it would not pass everyone would feel they understood what it was and could dream and work harder to achieve it.

Despite passing the law to insure equal pay for women, and other liberal agenda laws unpopoular with corporations, enough mama grizzlies narrowed the gap getting closer to the majority of women who are democrats.


There is no disaster or earthquake or tidal wave...there is the opposite. There will be a stagnant gridlock that will ensue as Congressman Issa will appoint 76 new investigators to establish blame soley on the white house and various goverment employees tha will make the lawsuits which plagued Clinton look like a parking ticket.

On the heels of ACORN's destruction, Issa will target unions and community groups that will face the stings and arrows of outrageous misfortune with false accusations and "corrupt liberal bastard" witch hunts.

So as the people will suffer the delays of investigations, it will allow banks to continue their forclosure feeding frenzy, the repeal of basic Obama Wall St. reforms and health care and will only go to will prove that the Republicans are only starting their 2012 presidential campaign, as all of American's basic corporate corruption problems will continue unabbated.

Subject: RE: BS: Disaster for the Democrats?
From: Dorothy Parshall
Date: 03 Nov 10 - 11:12 AM

Amos: that is an interesting item. Waiting for the more erudite family members to read it and see what they think. After two days of travel - from Montreal to Whidbey Island (near Seattle) - I am still not thinking clearly!

Re the election, Animaterra posted on FB:‎"...if I had a thing to give you, I would tell you one more time that the world is always turning toward the morning..."

Subject: RE: BS: Disaster for the Democrats?
From: theleveller
Date: 03 Nov 10 - 11:05 AM

"The entire USA 2-party system is a Mudcat thread on religion,"

People on Mudcat usually hold pretty entrenched positions on this. To an outsider, it seems that the opinion of much of the US electorate blows back and forth in the wind.

Subject: RE: BS: Disaster for the Democrats?
From: Amos
Date: 03 Nov 10 - 10:51 AM

How Obama Saved Capitalism and Lost the Midterms.

Subject: RE: BS: Disaster for the Democrats?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Nov 10 - 10:40 AM

"Maybe the US Congress is actually a Mudcat thread on religion."

LOL!!! It IS, Ron, it IS! The entire USA 2-party system is a Mudcat thread on religion, guaranteed to produce division, scorn, hatred, despise, misunderstanding, and yet more irreconcilable division...because that's exactly what it is designed to do.

There is simply no possibility that the supporters of Democrats and the supporters of Republicans will ever unite in common cause...EXCEPT....and this is a big except....when there is a spectacularly violent attack of some kind on America that is perceived to have come from a foreign source. 911, for example. A Reichstag fire. The sinking of the Maine. The torpedoing of the Lusitania. Pearl Harbour. The fictional Gulf of Tonkin attack. Something along that line.

That type of evnet does briefly unite almost your entire public, Democrats and Republicans alike, in a frenzy of fear and rage, and they send off their young people to slaughter some foreigners on some distant piece of real estate. It works for awhile. But the complex reasons behind the event are always hidden and never really understood by the vast majority of the public that reacts to the event. It's a gambit that your ruling corporate/defense Oligarchy will resort to or take advantage of when all else fails.

Watch out for it. If it happens again, it will not be good at all, and you won't want to be standing anywhere near to where it happens.

In the meantime...YES...the American political scene and the American Congress are like a Mudcat thread on religion. Two irreconcilable points of view, and never the twain shall meet...and the anger and chauvinism generated by that divide will keep you all fighting each other forever instead of bringing down the corporate plutocrats who really rule your nation by the power of their money and by America's gigantic national debt.

Subject: RE: BS: Disaster for the Democrats?
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 03 Nov 10 - 10:31 AM

"The Republicans have had nothing to say about the legislatve agenda or the Federal spending in four years."

Oh Bullshit. They have been given every opportunity to participate. They have specificaly **chosen** to stonewall and obstruct. Dont' believe me, listen to what McConnel and DeMint and Pence and Boehner have said! They actually admit this.
You can't claim that their lack of participation is anything else...unless of course you are a puppet of the Kochs and China whose brain is full of the jello Fox put there.

Subject: RE: BS: Disaster for the Democrats?
From: olddude
Date: 03 Nov 10 - 10:04 AM

Ron
That is a danger - you are right for concern, Now one of the biggest challenges for the Republican leaders I think is how to get the extreme edges in line as to accomplish something (anything) that we will see. Maybe now the fear in both parties is people are going to boot you if you play the politics game. I sure hope that is the message. I don't think anyone but the naive would think this is a republican mandate. One only has to look at the independent vote to see that. Like I said my personal choices got clobbered but I have to think that maybe the change will provide something useful. I keep my fingers crossed.

Subject: RE: BS: Disaster for the Democrats?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 03 Nov 10 - 09:58 AM

" work WITH each other".    Fine.   Now, with hyperpartisans, especially the Tea Party, joining Congress, and pledging to work with the other side--as long as the other side agrees to do what they want, i.e. to roll back "Obamacare" and otherwise backtrack-- how likely to do think your pious exhortation is to become reality?

I did in fact give at least one area--immigration-- where I think the Democrats can peel off enough Republicans to make progress.    And they need to try hard--if only to prove to Hispanics that they deserve big support in 2012.

Aside from that, it seems--especially with the split so much more even--- that all an objective observer can foresee is even more endless wrangling than we've had already.

Maybe the US Congress is actually a Mudcat thread on religion.

Subject: RE: BS: Disaster for the Democrats?
From: SINSULL
Date: 03 Nov 10 - 09:33 AM

They are still counting Kendall. Be patient. I don't think Cutler has conceded.

Subject: RE: BS: Disaster for the Democrats?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 03 Nov 10 - 09:31 AM

It likes as if the Republicans have recaptured both houses of the Maine Legislature, something which hasn't happened since the early 1960's when they owned the State.

The Governor-elect is a Republican conservative as well but with a narrow enough victory that there will be an automatic recount; the second place finisher is an independent candidate while the Democratic contender finished with 19% of the vote.

Democratic incumbants retained both Congressional seats which is about the only bright spot on an otherwise dreary looking morning.

Time to go out and collect the rest of the yard signs!

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Disaster for the Democrats?
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Nov 10 - 09:07 AM

1994....and then the Newt Gingrich House made fools of themselves

As if the Repubs in the House haven't been making fools of themselves for the last two years, Joe?

Some hope.

Subject: RE: BS: Disaster for the Democrats?
From: olddude
Date: 03 Nov 10 - 08:45 AM

I think the biggest mistake a person can do is not vote for the person they think can lead because it may put the "other guy" in office. That is a mistake and goes against everything freedom is suppose to be. I would never do that, I would not recommend anyone doing that. Let the chips fall as they may but one needs to vote their heart and their conscience or the whole thing doesn't work.

Subject: RE: BS: Disaster for the Democrats?
From: GUEST,Chris B (Born Again Scouser)
Date: 03 Nov 10 - 08:16 AM

Kendall,

He does have a mandate. He won. And he won because you (and people like you) didn't vote for the Democrat.

Did you all learn nothing from the UK elections?

Subject: RE: BS: Disaster for the Democrats?
From: kendall
Date: 03 Nov 10 - 07:45 AM

I voted against a democrat. I felt that the independent was better qualified to be governor, but, the non thinkers supported the republican, a bad tempered liar and he won with 1% of the vote. He is the type who will think he has a mandate.

Subject: RE: BS: Disaster for the Democrats?
From: olddude
Date: 03 Nov 10 - 07:29 AM

For what it is worth , here is a view from an Independent that many like me share. My concern with the Republican party as of late is this. In the past, I could find Democrats that were conservative, I could find Republicans that were Liberal .. In short I could find a diverse group of folks that were elected to do one thing and that was represent the people. What disturbs me IMO is that I can still see moderate or conservative Democrats, and those people can get elected. However it is less likely that I will find a moderate republican. If one is not on the outer edge, they have no chance to run. This disturbs me as I have respect for both parties. I would like to see the Republican party back to where it once was many years ago.

Likewise, if either party doesn't work together, they will be out. I do not think the Independents looked at this election as an embrace of the republican party, but more of we will force a change but you need to get your act together. I think that is true .. if either side does what it has been doing, party politics, the Independent vote (the ones that will put you in or out of office) will easily swing either way.   My take for what it is worth.

Subject: RE: BS: Disaster for the Democrats?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 03 Nov 10 - 06:24 AM

"apolitical grass roots movement"?

Apolitical my arse.

Subject: RE: BS: Disaster for the Democrats?
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Nov 10 - 05:44 AM

It is clear from this side of the pond that Americans are not fit to govern themselves. We should take it back

Subject: RE: BS: Disaster for the Democrats?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 03 Nov 10 - 05:09 AM

Looks like the same situation we have in 1994....and then the Newt Gingrich House made fools of themselves, but somehow they kept control of the House until 2006.
Let's hope that doesn't happen again.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Disaster for the Democrats?
From: akenaton
Date: 03 Nov 10 - 05:02 AM

Does no one recognise the importance of an apolitical grass roots movement?

If you were real progressives you would be supporting such a movement regardless of which direction it was taking in the short term.

As LH says we are defeated by division and like it or not, America is a centre right nation...as is the UK.
Now, the important thing is to start dismantling the corporacy and its attack dogs. This can only be effected from the centre right.....after that its up to progressives to change hearts and minds.

Subject: RE: BS: Disaster for the Democrats?
From: Genie
Date: 03 Nov 10 - 02:23 AM

What Mousethief said.

Subject: RE: BS: Disaster for the Democrats?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Nov 10 - 02:19 AM

Ron Davies: "And it's obvious that the gridlock we have now will, if anything, be worse in the next Congress."

Not particularly. It depends on IF the 'representatives' finally decide to LISTEN to the American public, and work WITH each other.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Disaster for the Democrats?
From: Sawzaw
Date: 03 Nov 10 - 01:53 AM

"this perception is divorced from reality. "

Amos. Why are you continuously spouting that the majority of the people are not in touch with reality?

Wake up man. You're like a bug running from rock to rock trying to find something secure to cling to. Somewhere to hide from the mean old world.

You spend hours every day picking through the shit coming from congress and the administration to find a few undigested kernels of corn so you can talk about how great they are.

You must have lost your sense of smell.

Wake up man. You're like a bug running from rock to rock trying to find something secure to cling to. Somewhere to hide from the mean old world.

Subject: RE: BS: Disaster for the Democrats?
From: Don Firth
Date: 03 Nov 10 - 01:49 AM

What Genie said.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Disaster for the Democrats?
From: Genie
Date: 03 Nov 10 - 01:22 AM

akenaton, I think it's both presumptuous and incorrect to assume that most American Mudcatters view politics as a "my team v. their team" thing.

I think most of us - the ones who usually post in the political threads - have principles and goals we believe in.   Not that many decades ago in US politics, it was not uncommon to find people in both major parties who shared many common goals and policies, but the Republican Party has moved further and further to the "right-wing" end of the spectrum, and in the last few years (especially since the election of Obama), their stated strategy (at least in Congress) has been to block whatever legislation the Democrats propose -- even if many of them have supported such legislation when they were in power -- so that they can run against the Democrats by pointing to their lack of accomplishments.    That party has become much more unified and regimented in their voting.   The Republicans that many of us liberals/progressives may have supported in the past have been drummed out of that party.

This does not mean we support Democrats just because they are Democrats. In fact, many of us are highly critical of that party and, especially, of some of its members in Congress.

Subject: RE: BS: Disaster for the Democrats?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 03 Nov 10 - 01:12 AM

It sure is fascinating though.    And there are even some outcomes to cheer tonight.

#1 to cheer on my list is that it seems Meg Whitman spent $140 million of her own money to win the governorship of California.

And lost.

Somehow, that is very satisfying.

(Admittedly there might be better uses for the $140 million--world hunger, for instance.)

But it's still nice to know that sometimes no matter how much money you have to spend , you may not win.




Then there are some truly weird results--such as Manchin's win in WV---in which he ran as far away from President Obama as possible--even going so far as to stage an ad in which he literally shot a bill to ribbons--was it cap and trade?

And in WV, it seems his approach worked.

I suppose it pays to know your target (so to speak) audience.

And of course, I know the President and other Democrats gave him their blessing.

As my father used to say," We pay off on results."    Result was keeping Byrd's seat.






The other thing I was thinking about is issues the President should push in the next 2 years.   Seems to me a comprehensive immigration solution--with a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants should be close to the top of the list.

It's the right thing to do

But also, political benefits:

1)   Cementing the Hispanic vote-- (aside from Florida, for which he should seek to push travel to Cuba)--in the Democratic column. As the fastest growing ethnic group, this is necessary---and it will put the Republicans squarely on the wrong side of demographics.

2) In fact it will also likely split the Republicans--since the business community is actually on the side of a comprehensive immigration solution.   So it's likely to cause a Republican civil war--with the Tea Party wing on the other side of the issue. Could be some very entertaining fireworks.




What the Democrats should do now is make it clear that there will be no other person even considered as presidential nominee than President Obama.   Let all the bloody and expensive primaries be on the other side.

Subject: RE: BS: Disaster for the Democrats?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Nov 10 - 12:42 AM

"Disaster" is cyclical in American politics. Don't let it ruin your day. We've seen it all before and we'll see it again....and again...and again. The great game just keeps rolling on, and it gets nastier with each succeeding decade.

The Democrats and Republicans play "good cop---bad cop" with the American public. The public is the one under the bright lights, and the cops are totally in control. The Democrats are the "good cop". They treat you nice, and say nice things, and that gives you hope (unless you hate them). The Republicans are the "bad cop". They get tough with you and shake you down. If you are the type of American who loves the tough cop....think people who love John Wayne, Rambo, Clint Eastwood, Charles Bronson, and all those other Hollywood tough guys who shoot first and talk later...well, you'll LOVE the Republicans and their "get tough" attitude...because you'll figure they're going to get tough with someone ELSE, not you! ;-) Yeah, with all those "evil" forces out there that haunt your anxiety closet.

That's how America is divided and conquered. People instinctively back either the "good cop" (Mom) or the "bad cop" (Dad), according to which one they instinctively run to whenever they figure they need help. Some run to Mom, some run to Dad. Mom is nurturing, Dad gets tough!

The rich bastards at the top of the system know how people do that, and that's why they use those two parties to keep you all mesmerized and fighting with each other. Meanwhile, they run it all, run BOTH of those parties, bank the profits, and rob you blind.

Who do I like when faced with the choice between "good cop" and "bad cop"? Hell, the same as most of you...I like the "good cop" better...the Democrats.

But I am not fooled into imagining that they don't work for the same corporate/banking oligarchy that controls the "bad cop". The oligarchy is your real government, not the bozos you vote into or out of office.

The "good cop" is experiencing some disaster right now. The "bad cop" experienced disaster in 2008. Like I said, it's cyclical. And it will contiune to be cyclical. So if you are a Democrat and want some good news...just wait and see. The cycle will definitely swing your way again in awhile. It always does. It has to.

Every victory is temporary. So is every defeat. And "this too shall pass"...

Subject: RE: BS: Disaster for the Democrats?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Nov 10 - 12:34 AM

Hmmm...interesting....

I find it curious, that DEMOCRATS are so anti-DEMOCRACY. It's what the people voted for...somethings went the way I hoped, and some didn't. That is true for virtually all elections..but we live with it. So suck it up, and get over it!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Disaster for the Democrats?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 02 Nov 10 - 11:52 PM

Very good, mousie. How long before it sinks in?

Subject: RE: BS: Disaster for the Democrats?
From: katlaughing
Date: 02 Nov 10 - 11:51 PM

Yeah, I know, Spawdarlin'...but I just couldn't bring myself to even type that..racism is so alive, isn't it? The bastards.

Subject: RE: BS: Disaster for the Democrats?
From: catspaw49
Date: 02 Nov 10 - 11:38 PM

Actually katmyluv, "upstart" is not what they mean to say........"Uppiity" something perhaps but I doubt upstart..........


Spaw