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What is it that makes folk radio a success?

The Sandman 21 Dec 10 - 01:09 PM
GUEST,Groucho 21 Dec 10 - 01:26 PM
WFDU - Ron Olesko 21 Dec 10 - 01:35 PM
Little Robyn 21 Dec 10 - 02:01 PM
The Sandman 21 Dec 10 - 03:39 PM
Folkiedave 21 Dec 10 - 06:02 PM
The Sandman 22 Dec 10 - 06:35 AM
The Sandman 22 Dec 10 - 06:36 AM
Backwoodsman 22 Dec 10 - 06:49 AM
Les in Chorlton 22 Dec 10 - 10:53 AM
Backwoodsman 22 Dec 10 - 10:57 AM
Stringsinger 22 Dec 10 - 11:03 AM
WFDU - Ron Olesko 22 Dec 10 - 02:16 PM
GUEST,Patsy 23 Dec 10 - 02:56 AM
open mike 23 Dec 10 - 03:51 AM
GUEST,Chris B. 23 Dec 10 - 04:43 AM
Little Hawk 23 Dec 10 - 06:40 AM
Mr Red 23 Dec 10 - 10:21 AM
Les in Chorlton 23 Dec 10 - 11:49 AM
open mike 23 Dec 10 - 02:21 PM
GUEST 23 Dec 10 - 04:28 PM
WFDU - Ron Olesko 23 Dec 10 - 05:46 PM
GUEST,Guest - Pragmatist 23 Dec 10 - 09:06 PM
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Mr Red 24 Dec 10 - 11:43 AM
Bernard 24 Dec 10 - 01:09 PM
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GUEST,Guest - Pragmatist 24 Dec 10 - 09:03 PM
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bruceCMR 25 Dec 10 - 07:25 AM
Jim Carroll 25 Dec 10 - 09:31 AM
Bernard 25 Dec 10 - 06:35 PM
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Subject: what isit tha makes folk radio a sucess
From: The Sandman
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 01:09 PM

whatare the ingredients for success


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Subject: RE: what isit tha makes folk radio a sucess
From: GUEST,Groucho
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 01:26 PM

Literacy.


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Subject: RE: what isit tha makes folk radio a sucess
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 01:35 PM

a radio station


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Subject: RE: what is it that makes folk radio a sucess
From: Little Robyn
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 02:01 PM

I dunno but we did it!!!
Our radio show each week on Kidnapper's Community Radio.
Folk on Sunday
They've just had the end of year awards and we received one!
"Radio Kidnappers Supreme Show 2010."
We have a framed disc (looks like a Golden disc only it's yellow) that names our programme.
We've been going since 1996 and have broadcast almost 750 shows.
The reception area isn't great - about 100 mile radius on 1431AM, much smaller on 104.5FM, but if you follow the links on the web site (and sort out the time zones - we're on daylight saving at the moment) you could listen to us on your computer.
Robyn and Mitch Park


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Subject: RE: what isit tha makes folk radio a sucess
From: The Sandman
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 03:39 PM

Geoff, guest Groucho, what has literacy got to do withrunning a successful radio programme


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Subject: RE: what isit tha makes folk radio a sucess
From: Folkiedave
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 06:02 PM

In the same way that Conrad was asked to define "fail" you need to say what you mean by "successful".


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Subject: RE: What is it that makes folk radio a success?
From: The Sandman
Date: 22 Dec 10 - 06:35 AM

has lots of listeners,whilst playing a broad spectrum of folk music.


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Subject: RE: What is it that makes folk radio a success?
From: The Sandman
Date: 22 Dec 10 - 06:36 AM

tell us the secrets of your success, folkie dave.


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Subject: RE: What is it that makes folk radio a success?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 22 Dec 10 - 06:49 AM

"has lots of listeners,whilst playing a broad spectrum of folk music"

Mike Harding's show has lots of listeners and plays a wide spectrum of folk music, and yet many of the self-elected cognoscenti of the UK folk-world (including a fair sprinkling of Mudcatters) heap scorn on it.

Lester and Mick's 'Folkwaves' has lots of listeners and plays a wide spectrum of folk music, it's arguably THE best folk-music show on British radio (I'd argue that it is, anyway), and yet the BBC have seen fit to kick it into touch.

So there must be more to it than just that?

But I don't know what it is.


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Subject: RE: What is it that makes folk radio a success?
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 22 Dec 10 - 10:53 AM

Mike Harding does.

L in C#
But his is not the only way


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Subject: RE: What is it that makes folk radio a success?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 22 Dec 10 - 10:57 AM

Agreed, Les.


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Subject: RE: What is it that makes folk radio a success?
From: Stringsinger
Date: 22 Dec 10 - 11:03 AM

Once again, Ron has it right. Context, history and doing the homework about the background for singers and songs and showing the connection not the dissection of folk music, as if you were cutting slices and dices of an expression without seeing the whole deal.

I know what it is because I grew up in it as an outsider and appreciator of the people who I've had the privilege to know in the field and because I listened to each performer, song, event with a different set of ears. I should be in radio doing a folk program but I don't have the time now. Ya' gotta live and survive.

So there are those like Dick Greenhaus who know what's going on here that should be doing it or guys like Joe Hickerson, maybe McCutcheon, who also doesn't have the time, Pete Seeger who did do it and made a tremendous contribution with his Rainbow show on T.V., or Art Theime and for the New England folklore, Captain Kendall. Part of being an educator is knowing how to do that which you are teaching.

Folklore is not just bookish but it's doing it by telling stories, singing songs, saying what you like about it, digging into the traditions and illuminating those patterns that give a folk music its national, cultural and individual art. Also, if you can, writing songs that carry on that tradition.

Where people go wrong is assuming that folk music is "one thing" that defines it and that turns the public off who instinctively know better.


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Subject: RE: What is it that makes folk radio a success?
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 22 Dec 10 - 02:16 PM

Well said Frank!

I've always considered myself a student, constantly learning and reading - and not shutting doors to new ideas and music.

Radio needs to entertain and educate and make it all fun!


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Subject: RE: What is it that makes folk radio a success?
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 23 Dec 10 - 02:56 AM

Intelligent chat and educational unlike the banal dj speak on commercial radio. Sometimes folk radio will come up with pieces of music that you have not come across before so I make sure I have pad and pen ready to jot down anything that interests me before scouring the small record shops.


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Subject: RE: What is it that makes folk radio a success?
From: open mike
Date: 23 Dec 10 - 03:51 AM

longevity
ask Oscar Brand


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Subject: RE: What is it that makes folk radio a success?
From: GUEST,Chris B.
Date: 23 Dec 10 - 04:43 AM

I think that another factor is the enthusiasm of the producers. And with Internet streaming there can now be loads of specialist stations online. The challenge is to find them. I know that Mitch and Robyn Park (Little Robyn here) have an amazing folk programme that they put out on Cape Kidnappers in New Zealand. And I believe that fRoots in the UK puts out a programme using RSS - but I've never actually managed to receive this (and the files are too big for my 3 mobile dongle account). Any audio stream can also be captured for later listening using Audacity, even from BBC iPlayer. So with the latter Mike Harding's progs. (the UK one) and BBC Alba progs. can be captured world-wide. As can streaming from RTE (from Eire). And all of this says nothing about the many stations in the USA and Canada. Maybe someone here could produce a list of folk programmes streaming on the web?


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Subject: RE: What is it that makes folk radio a success?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Dec 10 - 06:40 AM

What is it that makes the Mudcat Discussion Forum a success?





















Internet addiction!!!!!!!!!!   ;-)


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Subject: RE: What is it that makes folk radio a success?
From: Mr Red
Date: 23 Dec 10 - 10:21 AM

A presenter who knows and loves the subject. Goes to the events within the genre. Networking to tell people about the programme.

Did I say networking? Or did I mean shameless self-promotion?

Cresby's Cajun Capers (scripts & playlist)
streamed live Stroud FM
alt Mondays 9pm GMT (eg Jan 2) repeated alt Sundays 12 mid-day 13 days later (eg Jan 1 datum).
repeated every Wed @ 3am GMT

Enjoy - hopefully.

the hilarity of jokes can go up as well as down!


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Subject: RE: What is it that makes folk radio a success?
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 23 Dec 10 - 11:49 AM

Loads of good music. Those of us within the genre probably enjoy the gossip, banter, in-jokes, listings of obscure events and so on, but we are a minority. Beyond our 'fringe' are thousands and thousands of people who enjoy the music but don't want the rest.

L in C#


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Subject: RE: What is it that makes folk radio a success?
From: open mike
Date: 23 Dec 10 - 02:21 PM

infotainment, entermation, edumacation, a blending of the two on my show.
I like to keep informed about folk music and musicians and when I play
music i try to accompany it with background about the song, the singer
or the "liner notes" so that listeners come away not only enjoying but
understanding a bit more about the music, so as to engage both the right and the left brain. This has elicited positive comments by listeners (now if they would just join the station and pay their membership dues so we could be assured of continuing...) I also challenge myself and my memory of songs by choosing a theme for each show (either a topic, such as trees or trains, or by concentrating on an instrument such as ukulele or accordion, or a seasonal event such as mother's day , st. pat's..) and trying to focus much of my 2 hour show on that theme.

I also incorporate a feature which is unique to my show, I believe:
I read excerpts from (several) farmer's almanacs . There is a show
"Le Show" by where the host reads several columns from papers about advertising, home sales and other items with a satirical comment.
http://www.harryshearer.com/ mentions that these readings are a copy righted feature of his show. Though not a folk show, this show has some unique properties. And that is what I hope to accomplish--


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Subject: RE: What is it that makes folk radio a success?
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Dec 10 - 04:28 PM

Hi Mike - almost the same as what I do.


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Subject: RE: What is it that makes folk radio a success?
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 23 Dec 10 - 05:46 PM

In all seriousness, I don't think there is a single answer to this question.   Every successful folk radio host that I know has their own unique personality and own taste in music and their own style of presenting the music.

Frank hit on the key ingredient - doing homework. Sharing that information without lecturing the audience is critical. Each host needs to develop their own way of talking to their audiences.

I've heard some wonderful shows that focus on single styles of folk music - some shows are strictly traditional, some are strictly contemporary. Both styles can work if done with taste and personality.

For me, my favorite shows are the ones that show the diversity of styles and cultures that make up our folk community. Sort of like attending a folk festival each week - as you go from stage to stage you will hear different style performers and have a good time.

Personally, I have found that playing requests can be dangerous. You end up sounding like a jukebox and programming your show for the small percentage of people that will call or write you. They are not your entire audience.    The same advice for not playing only your favorites. The show will end up playing the same songs and performers and will get boring for the host and the audience.

Have fun, the audience picks up on that.


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Subject: RE: What is it that makes folk radio a success?
From: GUEST,Guest - Pragmatist
Date: 23 Dec 10 - 09:06 PM

Whoops - pressed the wrong key!

Mick and Lester's programme WAS (IT AINT COMING BACK - SORRY FOLKS) probably the best folk programme in England.

I know from personal experience just how dedicated they both were to the programme and the lengths they went to to ensure that it happened each week live when it would have been easier to slip in a recorded show.

Unfortunately folk music has always been an easy target when the cutting blade is being wielded.

The music has survived worse knock backs than this, regretable as it is, and despite the media and the chancers will come back stronger than ever.


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Subject: RE: What is it that makes folk radio a success?
From: GUEST,Guest - Pragmatist
Date: 23 Dec 10 - 09:24 PM

Whoops

Dropped into the wrong thread - but - amazingly most of what I said is relevant.


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Subject: RE: What is it that makes folk radio a success?
From: Mr Red
Date: 24 Dec 10 - 11:43 AM

as open mike says

play the music, add information about the tracks, the subject of the song, tell people about related events locally and make the connections between the tracks with humour, factoids etc.

Add interviews (3 minute episodes max)

Above all sound interesting.

Some people shouldn't make programmes. It has to be said.


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Subject: RE: What is it that makes folk radio a success?
From: Bernard
Date: 24 Dec 10 - 01:09 PM

Sounds of Folk Christmas Special on now (6-8pm GMT Friday 24th Dec)


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Subject: RE: What is it that makes folk radio a success?
From: Bernard
Date: 24 Dec 10 - 01:12 PM

I think Mick and Lester's programme will continue in some form, either online via the Music Well (as Sounds of Folk did for a while) or on another station (as Sounds of Folk does now).

You can't keep a good programme down!!


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Subject: RE: What is it that makes folk radio a success?
From: GUEST,Guest - Pragmatist
Date: 24 Dec 10 - 09:03 PM

I'm not sure if Mick and Lester would want to produce a programme that was only available to the dedicated few.

Being able to present folk to a wide audience was I am sure a great incentive to them.


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Subject: RE: What is it that makes folk radio a success?
From: GUEST,bankley
Date: 24 Dec 10 - 11:20 PM

good music....

fuck the bullshit


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Subject: RE: What is it that makes folk radio a success?
From: bruceCMR
Date: 25 Dec 10 - 07:25 AM

It's certainly not just the music! If that were true, then we'd all just listen to itunes etc.

As I said in the other thread, it's all about being part of a community, broadcasting with it, rather than to it. It should be verging towards a dialogue rather than a broadcast. Yes, you need good music, but you also need knowledgeable, interesting presenters and community involvement.

Bruce
(Celtic Music Radio 1530, http://www.celticmusicradio.net


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Subject: RE: What is it that makes folk radio a success?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Dec 10 - 09:31 AM

Not trying to please all of the people all of the time, raelising that there are a wide range of interests and preferences and not trying to cater for all of them at the same time - that's how it used to work anyway.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: What is it that makes folk radio a success?
From: Bernard
Date: 25 Dec 10 - 06:35 PM

'I'm not sure if Mick and Lester would want to produce a programme that was only available to the dedicated few.'

I don't think so, either - but Radio Derby isn't a mainstream station any more than Oldham Community Radio... we have listeners in Australia, New York and Texas (apart from the UK) thanks to the internet.

So where's the problem?!!


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Subject: RE: What is it that makes folk radio a success?
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 25 Dec 10 - 07:25 PM

"realising that there are a wide range of interests and preferences and not trying to cater for all of them at the same time - that's how it used to work anyway."

The old models do not usually work when it comes to radio audiences. Tastes change.   Jim is right about not trying to be everything for everyone, but shows can be diverse and interesting to casual listeners as well hardcore folkies. There are some specialty shows that narrow their focus, and they are very good, but they usually will not last long. It has been said that listners tune in for 20 minute clips, and "regulars" tend to listen to certain shows for 2 years before moving on to something else. I think folk audiences tend to be a bit more loyal, but the narrower the focus, the less chance of long term survival.


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Subject: RE: What is it that makes folk radio a success?
From: GUEST,Guest - Pragmatist
Date: 25 Dec 10 - 09:30 PM

Bernard

You confound your own argument.

Listening on line is not the same as tuning in to your local radio station.

It is for the dedicated minority if we are to be pedantic.


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Subject: RE: What is it that makes folk radio a success?
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 25 Dec 10 - 11:12 PM

Pragmatist - not sure how quickly it will advance to the UK, but listening to the internet will soon be just as easy as listening to your local radio station. 4G networks will soon make internet listening available in cars and other devices.

In addition, the listening habits of younger audiences are drifting from radio toward the internet.

It is no longer a dedicated minority.


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Subject: RE: What is it that makes folk radio a success?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Dec 10 - 04:31 AM

"The old models do not usually work when it comes to radio audiences."
Sorry Ron - they are working here at present - described as 'the golden age of Irish music' a few days ago in the press.
People who want to listen to Joe Heaney are not necessarily going to bother their arses about a singer-songwriter - subsitute Harry Cox and Jim Moray.
Rather than hoping casual listeners drop in on the off chance, wouldn't it be better to aim specific music as specific audiences with a bit of intelligent presentation?
If the pick-n-mix approach had actually worked in the UK, you might have an argument - 'loyaly' sounds too much like the 'Rourke's Drift' approach to me.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: What is it that makes folk radio a success?
From: Bruce from Bathurst
Date: 26 Dec 10 - 08:25 AM

Hands up all those who present programs on something resembling a "community" radio station. (You can choose your own definition.)

Hmmm. That's what I thought. I can see some familiar names but not many from my end of town.

In so many respects the internet has a lot to answer for. Sure, you can listen to my program if you want, wherever you are. 2MCE-FM streams happily to the world via our clunky website and I'd be thrilled if you tuned in each Sunday from 12 to 2pm. The thing is, here in Australia, a community station is supposed to sink or swim based on its relevance and value to the people who live in the community around it. You might even say its success or failure depends on it.

There are more than 300 radio stations in the community broadcasting sector in Australia and most of those licences are held by not for profit community groups. The licences are reviewed regularly and some are not renewed and some are revoked if a station doesn't live up to its promises. That means all our programs are (or should be) subject to scrutiny by our local station boards or committees of management.

I've presented my program since 1976 so, because of its longevity, it must be a success, right? However, I'm rather biased in favour of traditional and intrumental music, so the program could be a failure in the eyes of singer songwriters. I'm a musician myself so, naturally, I know everything about the genre and my program must therefore be a success. But, occasionally, my political and social views might prompt me to play certain material on the program, so my perceived lack of objectivity could make the program a failure.

Some of the above is true [grin] and I hope you see what I'm getting at. If you're a radio presenter in this country, you and your friends might think you deserve a gold medal, but your program's survival depends on how the judges score your performance. Sadly, those judges aren't your listeners, either locally or on line.

I place enormous value on the vibrant and passionate discussions on Mudcat and I've learned a lot here, mostly just as a lurker. I'm sure we all want to share the music we love with our community, whether we're performers, broadcasters, listeners, festival or folk club organisers, whatever, and I suppose I've tried to 'succeed' in each of those.

Please don't take this the wrong way, but here's the reality check for me. Every few years our station's licence is reviewed. That's when I really have to look beyond my own navel and justify my weekly two hour slot, although I certainly look beyond the survival of the program to gauge its success. The success of a radio program is subject to many variables, but the station staying on air is probably one of the most important.

There have been a number of very insightful posts in this thread, and on its evil twin thread. This probably isn't one of those insightful posts.

Bruce


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Subject: RE: What is it that makes folk radio a success?
From: Vic Smith
Date: 26 Dec 10 - 08:39 AM

Could I put in a mention for Fred McCormick's internet radio programme, World of Trad?

Great music - generally from the ethnic end of folk/traditional/world music/blues/jazz. It is skilfully presented by Fred with great knowledge and enthusiasm.

Go straight to the station player at http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/mini.cgi?station_name=oneworldmusic&tm .

On the other hand, you can bring up the station page first. Click on http://www.live365.com/stations/oneworldmusic . Then roll the mouse over the face near the top of the screen and click the grey PLAY button when it appears. Then, if you press the little PLUS sign to the right of where it says Worlds Of Trad, you can save Worlds of Trad as a preset. That will save you having to search the next time you listen in.


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Subject: RE: What is it that makes folk radio a success?
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 26 Dec 10 - 08:50 AM

Thanks Bruce...Interesting post. An occasional check from the bosses to make sure that there is not too much naval gazing going on is probably a good thing! I'll pop in and listen sometime, Thanks.
As for the Derby show. When it started Years ago, originally with Mick Peat and Barry Coope, the internet access that we have now, just didn't exist. And the format has remained roughly the same. Local gig guides (illustrated by recordings of artists if available) plus other musics that the presenters thought might be of interest to like minded souls.
Mick and Lester, here in late 2010, haven't changed the format that much over the years, and still cater for, and support the events that happen in the East Midlands.
Of course, I'm sure that they're delighted that technology has moved on, and they can be heard world wide, but that is not the value of the programme.
The value is to support local events. Which is exactly what they do.
(Well one more time anyway!)


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Subject: RE: What is it that makes folk radio a success?
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 26 Dec 10 - 10:21 AM

"Rather than hoping casual listeners drop in on the off chance, wouldn't it be better to aim specific music as specific audiences with a bit of intelligent presentation?"

It may be that we are coming from two different countries with two different audiences, but the answer to your question is not easy on either side of the Atlantic.

I would hope that you DO want casual listeners to drop in and discover what the music is all about. Narrowcasting to specific audiences is risky, especially when the hardcore audience that you are talking about is such a tiny portion of the landscape.

I love to listen to Joe Heaney, and I love to show the music that blossomed out of the community that he so well represented. Contemporary folk music is made in the same fashion that the songs Joe sang were originally made, the mode of transmission has changed with the times. Audiences seem to have a positive response from the diversity that shows the roots and how the branches have spread.   

It would be nice if a program that focused entirely on source singers and singers of folk songs from the tradition could sustain itself with a large and supportive audience. Here in the U.S., shows of this type are offered on listener supported radio stations. Limited donations would mean a short shelf life for that type of program. It is unfortunate in many respects, but it is the way radio works here.


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Subject: RE: What is it that makes folk radio a success?
From: Stringsinger
Date: 26 Dec 10 - 01:40 PM

Jim,

As sympathetic to the idea that one form of music has a depth to it, subsequently appealing to a specific enthusiastic audience for that style, what works against it is an binding academic rigidity that precludes the listener from being introduced to and
enjoying an outgrowth or variation of that music.

In short, a kind of "purism" is not ultimately a potent form of communication.

I think of Tommy Peoples' style of fiddling being rejected by the Comhaltas,
Jazz not being offered as an offshoot of American blues and African-American music, and Joan Baez being refused admittance to a former folk music program at UCLA by D.K.Wilgus because she was deemed "too commercial".

Keep the trad singers and players but show their ability to generate new music forms.

If it weren't for the popularizing Pete Seegers of the world, we wouldn't know much about the value of folk music in its various forms.


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Subject: RE: Folk Music NOT DEAD on radio
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 26 Dec 10 - 02:08 PM

On my desk have I a 6+ page list of US and Canadian stations which play(ed) Folk music by day and time, The list is dated FEB. 22, 2006.

I just checked six stations that broadcast folk programs on Sunday morning, then; five still do: KLCC, WOUB, WUWF, WORT, & KRFC. About 10 min. ago they back announced an tune by Seamus Kennedy (our own compatriot?).

Based on this small sampling, I'm supposing that folk music is alive and picking (with apologies to MKAlden) on the radio.


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Subject: RE: What is it that makes folk radio a success?
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 26 Dec 10 - 02:12 PM

I just checked six stations that broadcast folk programs on Sunday morning, KFRC back-announced a song by Seamus Kennedy (our own compatriot?).

That show is now over, but WAER is on air/online with Common Threads. By grannies, that's one for our side.


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Subject: RE: What is it that makes folk radio a success?
From: Folkiedave
Date: 26 Dec 10 - 04:06 PM

And I have just posted this week's playlist from Friday. They are not in order. See the Thread "Thank Goodness It's Folk"


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Subject: RE: What is it that makes folk radio a success?
From: Bernard
Date: 26 Dec 10 - 04:39 PM

GUEST,Guest - Pragmatist

I do not 'confound my own argument'...

Oldham Community Radio 99.7fm broadcasts on air, but our audience is expanded by the internet.

BBC GMR (where we used to broadcast), or to give it its 'new' name, Radio Manchester, is a local radio station exactly as is Radio Derby.

They, too, have expanded their audience via the internet.

Please be sure of your facts before posting.


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Subject: RE: What is it that makes folk radio a success?
From: GUEST,Guest - Pragmatist
Date: 26 Dec 10 - 09:16 PM

Bernard

We are all rooting for the same ends and I was not knocking Oldham Community Radio or any other local programme, in fact I wish them all well and thank all those who enable them to continue.

I merely wished to point out that accessing anything on line needs a whole heap of expensive computer equipment - a local radio programme can be heard on a £2 (or less!) receiver.

cheers


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Subject: RE: What is it that makes folk radio a success?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Dec 10 - 02:40 AM

What is it that makes folk radio a success?

Probably the opposite of:

Subject: Why do folk music radio programs fail?

GfS


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Subject: RE: What is it that makes folk radio a success?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Dec 10 - 03:29 AM

"in short, a kind of "purism" is not ultimately a potent form of communication."
You mean classical music programmes should include Bert Kamfert?
Sorry - it's not what's worked here, nor was it what I suggested, and IMO 'Purism' , 'finger-in-ear', et al is little more than a substitute for argument I'm afraid.
The turnaround in the fortunes of Irish music has happened because those involved have gone back to the roots - have specialised.
Over this week I will be able to watch a programme on veteran Irish piper Tom McCarthy, three, hour-long programmes on sea songs and the old ususl wall-to-wall television and radio programmes of tradititional music virtually every night of the week - Come West Along The Road, Geantrai.....all that old stuff (all on national stations).
This will continue week after week, throughout the year and will include the annual award for Traditional Musician of the Year sponsored by one of the three national television stations (two recipients from this town). I will be able to turn on the TV or radio any day of the week and listen to traditional music - and as much of the other stuff (singer-songwriter, experimental... whatever, as I care to put up with.
The really important result of all this - youngsters are flocking to the music in droves - next St Pat's Day will see a turnout from this town of upward of a hundred youngsters from school age to teens, playing unwatered-down Irish music from a reasonable standard to superb.
I suggest that perhaps the proof of the pudding is in the eating - 'I've shown you mine, now you show me yours'.
Perhaps - just perhaps the solution to the problem has something to do with passing off the presentation of folk music as 'binding rigidity' - "the answer lies out there", I'm sure.
In the long run, putting water in the whiskey only leads to people developing a taste for watered down whiskey.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: What is it that makes folk radio a success?
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 27 Dec 10 - 06:26 AM

Vic Smith. Could I put in a mention for Fred McCormick's internet radio programme, World of Trad?

http://www.live365.com/stations/oneworldmusic

You certainly can Vic. Good to hear from you, and all the usual season's greetings.

In case anyone wonders why the programme hasn't been updated for a while, I've been laid low with innumerable forms of the lurgy, each one more deadly than the last. However, I'm now feeling much better, and have the next edition ready to roll onto the ether right after New Years day.

Watch all the usual spaces.


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Subject: RE: What is it that makes folk radio a success?
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 27 Dec 10 - 10:30 AM

I should have added that the present Worlds of Trad upload is still in situ and still playing music, and will be until next week, when I upload the next upload.


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