BS: Mad march in London

Subject: RE: BS: Mad march in London
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 26 Mar 11 - 04:28 AM

So who plays the UN on Mudcat? Max?

I will be taking the shorter route designated for the disabled, today. Should I wear a helmet?

Subject: RE: BS: Mad march in London
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 25 Mar 11 - 09:03 PM

When some in Libya arise against the government and the government uses violence against them, the UN intervenes to destabilise the government. Can we have some of that please?

Subject: RE: BS: Mad march in London
From: Leadfingers
Date: 25 Mar 11 - 08:10 PM

I will be meeting up with my Union in the morning , but will NOT get any where near the probable 'Rent A Mob' loons who , for the most part , are NOT any kind of 'Activist' with any belief in any thing but mayhem !

Subject: RE: BS: Mad march in London
From: Richie Black (misused acct, bad email)
Date: 25 Mar 11 - 07:23 PM

Hi Gervase, Congratulations on receiving that tankard. I must say, you are truly deserving of the award.

Subject: RE: BS: Mad march in London
From: Richie Black (misused acct, bad email)
Date: 25 Mar 11 - 06:59 PM

Well let's hope many heads are split open by police batons of those "who think something a little more aggressive is required.

Subject: RE: BS: Mad march in London
From: Gervase
Date: 25 Mar 11 - 06:58 PM

'Richie Black' really understands less of the claptrap he regurgitates than Aunt Bessie's parrot does its own profanities.
One of the right's 'useful idiots'. Except there are plenty who do it better. Best just to stick with 'idiot' really.

Subject: RE: BS: Mad march in London
From: TheSilentOne
Date: 25 Mar 11 - 06:36 PM

Proud to be marching tomorrow. Peacefully. Although given the obscenity of extreme capitalism which Thatcher-Major-Blair-Brown-Cameron-Clegg have created, I have a lot of sympathy with those who think something a little more aggressive (short of violence against persons) is required.

Subject: RE: BS: Mad march in London
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 25 Mar 11 - 06:21 PM

hhmmm

had my shower this morning, just like yesterday and the day before. and been sitting here chatting with my daughter on facebonk, drinking ice water and keeping swollen feet propped up.

petrol is too expensive to waste on bombs. I had beans for supper and lighter is charged.

Subject: RE: BS: Mad march in London
From: GUEST,999
Date: 25 Mar 11 - 06:11 PM

A true student of Orwell you are.

Subject: RE: BS: Mad march in London
From: Richie Black (misused acct, bad email)
Date: 25 Mar 11 - 06:09 PM

I see Anarchist groups (a collective name for students and union members) are threatening to 'release all hell' at the march of shame tomorrow.

I see that clown Ed Miliband (from Wallace and Gromit) will be attending it.

An analysis of extremist websites by the Policy Exchange think-tank shows violent groups will be attending the march. No doubt the great unwashed will be making their petrol bombs tonight between swilling cheap lager and rolling illegal substances in Rizla papers bought with state handouts no doubt.

Activists' websites show they are planning a 'huge explosion of class hatred and anger' in which radicals will: invade major retailers and banks on Oxford Street. Arrange scattered 'feeder' marches around the main demonstration to create chaos. Break through police cordons with targeted violence. Occupy Trafalgar Square for 24 hours and 'turn it into Tahrir Square' in a bid to copy the mass protests in Egypt. Release all hell' at 2.11pm when they will 'strike, occupy, take over' in multiple locations to stretch police resources. Let's hope medical services take their time treating police baton injuries.


I recall the good old days of Margaret Thatcher and Norman Tebbit. This government would do well to use them as role models. I expect the government will carry out it's promises to target benefit cheats, cut wastage in public services, encourage private pensions and health care.

Also I would like to see MI5 infiltrate the unions and groups of anti government vermin.

Subject: RE: BS: Mad march in London
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 25 Mar 11 - 04:51 PM

Richd - is a man (directed and produced the film) ...He's been on mudcat since 2002.

Subject: RE: BS: Mad march in London
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 25 Mar 11 - 04:45 PM

I've just watched it, Tam...it's excellent, *really* bringing home the problems..and heck, my life is exactly that at the moment...I sympathize with the people in that film so much....Well done to the girls for making it...I'm just off to put this on my FB page now..

Subject: RE: BS: Mad march in London
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 25 Mar 11 - 04:23 PM

Has anyone watched Richd's video? link above It is really striking.

Subject: RE: BS: Mad march in London
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 25 Mar 11 - 03:51 PM

RichRichie, the people on that march are the same kind of people who've made you wealthy.

You wanna think on that occasionally...

What goes around, comes around..

Subject: RE: BS: Mad march in London
From: Gervase
Date: 25 Mar 11 - 03:47 PM

<1>Whatever the police do ... stop your bloody moaning.
Cor, lifted from the Daily Express letters page, and you could even imagine his lips moving!
You couldn't make it up. Except Nick's little helper always does. I do wonder if he's so vociferous when the EDL are marching...?

Subject: RE: BS: Mad march in London
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 25 Mar 11 - 03:41 PM

richd - excellent film. thank you for sharing it here.

Subject: RE: BS: Mad march in London
From: GUEST,999
Date: 25 Mar 11 - 03:27 PM

What Penny and VT said.

Subject: RE: BS: Mad march in London
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 25 Mar 11 - 03:17 PM

I am so naive. I keep hoping people will not be insulting to each other and will concede to the right of differing opinions without calling names and dismissing the poor and disabled as a load of benefits cheats. There really aren't that many who cheat the system. Most people only subsist on benefits.

the media sensationalises a few examples where the system fails and you take it that this is the way it is through out.

If my local authority for whom I also work, decides that I am not fit (I have a disability for which I claim NO benefits) to work (early summer the council is centralising all admin staff, which means we all get to apply for fewer jobs) then I will be forced onto benefit (if there are any to be had). That does not make me a cheat or work shy!

Subject: RE: BS: Mad march in London
From: Penny S.
Date: 25 Mar 11 - 02:57 PM

Thanks Richie. I was in two minds about going. Now I know I must. How dare you call people you don't agree with bastards?

Can you elucidate your reasons for doing so? And do the same reasons apply to the crowds in the Arab states who objected to being ruled by people with no democratic mandate for ripping off the poor? I seem to remember that those governing us weren't exactly elected to do the things they are doing to us.

Penny

Subject: RE: BS: Mad march in London
From: GUEST,999
Date: 25 Mar 11 - 02:52 PM

Another voice of reason heard from.

Subject: RE: BS: Mad march in London
From: Richie Black (misused acct, bad email)
Date: 25 Mar 11 - 02:48 PM

Whatever the police do to put down a protest or even a full blown riot they will always be criticised. I would spray these bastards on the streets tomorrow with scalding water or ink. Tomorrow night we will read about disruption and wilful destruction to property.

It is time the law took a firm grip of these troublemakers and made an example.

The government is doing everything it can, understand that Labour left the country in an appalling mess. They are doing a sterling job dealing with the work shy and benefit leeches.

Take it on the chin and stop your bloody moaning.

Subject: RE: BS: Mad march in London
From: richd
Date: 25 Mar 11 - 01:10 PM

And this is 'my' film about the effect of benefit and other cuts in one community. I'll be there tomorrow too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0Q9o1fUftQ&feature=feedlik

Subject: RE: BS: Mad march in London
From: GUEST,VaTam
Date: 25 Mar 11 - 12:42 PM

my poster

Subject: RE: BS: Mad march in London
From: GUEST,999
Date: 25 Mar 11 - 12:31 PM

Bonzo, I am a socialist. You state your position less than eloquently. I wish you would stop that and speak nicely about socialists, but if you insist on slagging us, please do so politely.

Thank you.

If this attempt at reconciliation fails, please read Lizzie's post (second on this thread). I'll even fill in the word if you'd like.

Subject: RE: BS: Mad march in London
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 25 Mar 11 - 10:16 AM

Tell me Bonzo. How do you manage to cock your leg against a lamp post when you've only got three to stand on? Or do you just not bother?

With difficulty!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Mad march in London
From: katlaughing
Date: 25 Mar 11 - 10:11 AM

Good for all of you who are marching!!

Subject: RE: BS: Mad march in London
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 25 Mar 11 - 10:09 AM

As soon as I saw this thread, I thought "aha. Bonzo no brain is at it again."

FYI, I shall be on the march tomorrow, getting up at 4-30am to make sure I catch the train which NUT has kindly chartered to take us down to London. I am not part of any rentamob. Like the overwhelming majority of protesters, I will be there out of a conviction that what is being inflicted on the ordinary people of this country is wrong. It is immoral.

The present debt crisis wasn't caused by the previous government. Neither was it caused by greedy trade unionists holding the country to ransom. (Remember that one. It used to be thrown at every group of workers who had the temerity to put in for even the most modest of cost of living pay rises.) It was caused by greedy irresponsible fat cat bankers holding the world to ransom and very nearly plunging us into a 1930s style depression. And the bastards are still at it, and making far more money, than those supposedly greedy trade unionists ever made!!!

Tell me Bonzo. How do you manage to cock your leg against a lamp post when you've only got three to stand on? Or do you just not bother?

Subject: RE: BS: Mad march in London
From: GUEST,VaTam_unrented mobbette
Date: 25 Mar 11 - 09:46 AM

SNIP from Sunderland Echo

Protestors from across Wearside are preparing to join hundreds of thousands of campaigners at tomorrow's TUC march in the capital.

Thousands from the North East are expected to make the journey south for the protest in central London against Government cuts.

Five 60-seater coaches and 1,200 train places have been booked by campaigners from the region eager to take part in the event, which ends with a rally in Hyde Park.

END SNIP

Did they get those seats paid for by some lefty socialist claptrapping organisation? I don't think so.

from Police Professional

SNIP

A new report published today has welcomed the close working relationship between the police and organisers of the Trades Union Congress (TUC) due to take place this weekend.

The Joint Committee on Human Rights (JCHR) published details of its report looking into policing of protests in central London in recent months, and the preparations for the forthcoming 'March for the Alternative' planned for tomorrow in protest of government public sector cuts.

The report backed the advance cooperation between the police and organisers, and the planned involvement of human rights observers in the control room on the day of the march itself. It also welcomes police initiatives to communicate better with protestors by using leaflets and Twitter.

However, despite the developments and the lessons which the Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) says it has learnt from violent student demonstrations in last November and December, concerns remain about the the tactic of containment, known as kettling, and the use of batons.

Some the key issues highlighted in the report include:

• a lack of clarity about the circumstances in which the police can resort to containment, and the apparent lack of opportunity for non-violent protesters to leave;
• the lack of specific guidance setting out the circumstances in which the use of the baton against the head might be justifiable. To meet the human rights requirement that the use of force should be proportionate, operational guidance to frontline officers needs to address this issue specifically and directly; and
• the need for a nimble system for assimilating lessons learned.

Dr Hywel Francis MP, Chair of the Committee, said: "The committee welcomes the cooperation between the Met and the organisers of the march this Saturday, especially the police's use of Twitter to communicate with protesters. But we remain concerned about kettling and the use of batons: clearer operational guidance is needed on both of these if the police are to meet their commitment to human rights successfully."

Hundreds of thousands of people are expected to join the anti-cuts march organised by at the weekend, for which around 4,500 police officers are expected to be deployed.

The MPS said that it is planning for a peaceful demonstration, but any violence and break away protestors will be dealt with robustly.

Lynne Owens, Assistant Commissioner of the MPS, added: "It is important that we appropriately set the mood for this day. The TUC are planning for a family friendly peaceful protest and we will do all we can to facilitate this.

"However, we would be naive to ignore the chatter on some public forums and of course we have to plan for separate autonomous groups who choose not to be part of the TUC protest. I must stress that strong views can never legitimise violence and, whilst we are planning for a peaceful day, we will not hesitate to respond speedily to any criminal and violent behaviour. The public would expect this.

"We are rightly scrutinised in our response to these large scale occasions and as part of our commitment to openness and accountability we have asked Liberty to act as independent observers in the pre planning of the event and on the day, both in Special Operations Room and out on the ground."

By Dilwar Hussain

END SNIP

Don't be be mixing up the spiky anarchists and generic trouble making thugs with legitimate protestors. Still I don't see anyone getting paid to do this. Quite the reverse. They are paying to take part.

Subject: RE: BS: Mad march in London
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 25 Mar 11 - 08:27 AM

MPs expenses have just gone up, so I've heard on the radio..Radio Devon's having a phone in about it...the public are NOT happy bunnies, that's for sure...

Subject: RE: BS: Mad march in London
From: GUEST,VaTam
Date: 25 Mar 11 - 08:22 AM

Nobody's paying me to go. In fact I invested in a zimmer/transit chair just so I could go. Paying for the coach trip there and back as well.

Jeesh! I wish I knew they were paying us to exercise our right to disagree.

Damn. Why do I always find out about these things too late?

Subject: RE: BS: Mad march in London
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 25 Mar 11 - 08:17 AM

Ah, the voice of the wise accountant again - only little people pay taxes.

Subject: RE: BS: Mad march in London
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 25 Mar 11 - 08:12 AM

Why don't you just .... off?

Subject: BS: Mad march in London
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 25 Mar 11 - 06:50 AM

"That is why it is the March for the Alternative – an alternative in which rich individuals and big companies have to pay all their tax, that the banks pay a Robin Hood tax and on in which we strain every sinew to create jobs and boost the sustainable economic growth that will generate the prosperity which is the only long term way to close the deficit and reduce the nation's debt."

What absolute bollocks - what typical socialist claptrap - rent a mob once again.