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BS: I miss beardedbruce...

Bobert 22 Apr 11 - 04:56 PM
Stilly River Sage 22 Apr 11 - 05:56 PM
Stilly River Sage 22 Apr 11 - 06:20 PM
Bobert 22 Apr 11 - 07:23 PM
Little Hawk 22 Apr 11 - 07:26 PM
Bobert 22 Apr 11 - 07:33 PM
SINSULL 22 Apr 11 - 07:45 PM
Bobert 22 Apr 11 - 07:59 PM
Lonesome EJ 22 Apr 11 - 08:00 PM
Bobert 22 Apr 11 - 08:10 PM
kendall 22 Apr 11 - 08:18 PM
Amos 22 Apr 11 - 08:50 PM
michaelr 22 Apr 11 - 09:55 PM
ranger1 22 Apr 11 - 10:00 PM
katlaughing 22 Apr 11 - 11:24 PM
Stilly River Sage 22 Apr 11 - 11:32 PM
Janie 22 Apr 11 - 11:41 PM
Joe Offer 23 Apr 11 - 03:47 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 23 Apr 11 - 04:12 AM
GUEST,John MacKenzie 23 Apr 11 - 04:47 AM
ranger1 23 Apr 11 - 07:08 AM
McGrath of Harlow 23 Apr 11 - 07:31 AM
SINSULL 23 Apr 11 - 08:13 AM
GUEST,Chongo Chimp 23 Apr 11 - 08:20 AM
Lizzie Cornish 1 23 Apr 11 - 09:01 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 23 Apr 11 - 09:16 AM
GUEST,999 23 Apr 11 - 09:41 AM
Bill D 23 Apr 11 - 12:21 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 23 Apr 11 - 01:17 PM
Beer 23 Apr 11 - 01:40 PM
olddude 23 Apr 11 - 02:45 PM
ranger1 23 Apr 11 - 02:48 PM
Charley Noble 23 Apr 11 - 09:11 PM
Carly 25 Apr 11 - 02:44 PM
GUEST,999 25 Apr 11 - 02:58 PM
michaelr 25 Apr 11 - 03:30 PM
Little Hawk 25 Apr 11 - 04:56 PM
gnu 25 Apr 11 - 05:09 PM
olddude 25 Apr 11 - 05:11 PM
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Bobert 25 Apr 11 - 06:12 PM
ranger1 25 Apr 11 - 07:16 PM
Bill D 25 Apr 11 - 07:31 PM
Joe Offer 25 Apr 11 - 07:47 PM
Bobert 25 Apr 11 - 08:35 PM
Bill D 25 Apr 11 - 08:41 PM
Little Hawk 26 Apr 11 - 12:26 AM
Stilly River Sage 26 Apr 11 - 12:41 AM
Lonesome EJ 26 Apr 11 - 01:49 AM
Lox 26 Apr 11 - 09:50 AM
catspaw49 26 Apr 11 - 11:33 AM
VirginiaTam 26 Apr 11 - 02:13 PM
DougR 26 Apr 11 - 02:33 PM
Charley Noble 26 Apr 11 - 09:05 PM
GUEST,TIA 26 Apr 11 - 11:39 PM
kendall 27 Apr 11 - 07:59 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 28 Apr 11 - 05:02 PM
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Subject: BS: I miss beadedbruce...
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Apr 11 - 04:56 PM

Hey, I really do, ya'll... I ain't trying to be funny 'er nuthin'...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: I miss beadedbruce...
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 22 Apr 11 - 05:56 PM

Until you mentioned it, I didn't notice he was gone. I'll save the analogies, though.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: I miss beadedbruce...
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 22 Apr 11 - 06:20 PM

So what's with the disappearing posts?
    False-identity posts don't last long... -Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: BS: I miss beardedbruce...
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Apr 11 - 07:23 PM

I donno, Magz...

No matter, I still miss bruce...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: I miss beardedbruce...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Apr 11 - 07:26 PM

Probably more than he misses fighting with a bunch of people here about politics every day...

Perhaps he joined a 12-step group and has conquered at least part of his Internet addiction problem?


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Subject: RE: BS: I miss beardedbruce...
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Apr 11 - 07:33 PM

Maybe, LH...

I mean, if Betty Ford saw just how hard we worked him then she mighta offered him a full scholarship???

Couple other folks here could prolly get them a scholarship if they ever wanted to live a clean pudderless life...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: I miss beardedbruce...
From: SINSULL
Date: 22 Apr 11 - 07:45 PM

His last post:

PM] beardedbruce BS: Lies about Fox (88* d) RE: BS: Lies about Fox 16 Dec 10

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"What is it exactly that appeals to you about "our kind of music?" "

Sorry, I was not aware I had to agree with the "conventional Mudcat wisdom" on political matters to be interested in music. If this is the case, I will have to leave.

I guess he left. Anyone know if he is OK? Bruce is actually an intelligent and charming man in person. Strange that he would leave after a single negative comment given the years of ongoing and sometimes caustic political arguments.
Mary


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Subject: RE: BS: I miss beardedbruce...
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Apr 11 - 07:59 PM

Yeah, Sins... I always found bruce to be intelligent and friendly and all that... Misguided??? Yeah, that, too but, hey???

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: I miss beardedbruce...
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 22 Apr 11 - 08:00 PM

Yeah, Bruce was a stalwart adversary for lots of left-leaners on the site, and I have had a few heated exchanges with him myself. I have to confess, he caused me to question some things I had taken as gospel, and I'll even admit I have found myself in agreement with him once or twice.


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Subject: RE: BS: I miss beardedbruce...
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Apr 11 - 08:10 PM

I wouldn't go that far, Eje... But, yeah, he was a pain in the ass at times but without a pain in the ass you don't appreciate it when yer ass ain't in pain...

'Er somethin' like that...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: I miss beardedbruce...
From: kendall
Date: 22 Apr 11 - 08:18 PM

I've never learned anything from some one who agreed with me.


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Subject: RE: BS: I miss beardedbruce...
From: Amos
Date: 22 Apr 11 - 08:50 PM

YEah, he was a first-class adversary, when he wasn't just table-thumping. He could back up his conclusions with actual thoughts. Thus I too have been persuaded by him in a couple of arguments.
ANd he knows, deep down, I love him in spite of his misguided ways... :D


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Subject: RE: BS: I miss beardedbruce...
From: michaelr
Date: 22 Apr 11 - 09:55 PM

Boo hoo, another poor innocent rightwinger driven off Mudcat by the mean lefties...


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Subject: RE: BS: I miss beardedbruce...
From: ranger1
Date: 22 Apr 11 - 10:00 PM

Lots of us lefties like Bruce. No need to get mean, michaelr.


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Subject: RE: BS: I miss beardedbruce...
From: katlaughing
Date: 22 Apr 11 - 11:24 PM

He made a very kind musical related offer to me by PM once. Totally surprised me until I heard more about him from folks who know him in the 3D folk world of his area. Sounds like a stand up guy regardless of his stance here.


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Subject: RE: BS: I miss beardedbruce...
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 22 Apr 11 - 11:32 PM

But all of those sing-song sonnets . . . oy.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: I miss beardedbruce...
From: Janie
Date: 22 Apr 11 - 11:41 PM

Come back, darlin' Bruce O' da Beard. I wants to "sees" you before the next Getaway!


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Subject: RE: BS: I miss beardedbruce...
From: Joe Offer
Date: 23 Apr 11 - 03:47 AM

Most of us who have met him in person, think the world of Bruce. Right, Amos?
See? Amos already agreed with me above.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: I miss beardedbruce...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Apr 11 - 04:12 AM

Lonesome EJ: "Yeah, Bruce was a stalwart adversary for lots of left-leaners on the site, and I have had a few heated exchanges with him myself. I have to confess, he caused me to question some things I had taken as gospel, and I'll even admit I have found myself in agreement with him once or twice."

Well, you know what they say, "If you're leaning to the left, you must be sitting to the right!" ........................(clears throat).

                         *******

What happened to Bruce, does anyone really know??

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: I miss beardedbruce...
From: GUEST,John MacKenzie
Date: 23 Apr 11 - 04:47 AM

You guys kill me, berate him, question his politics, diss his crappy sonnets.


THEN




Gee but I miss BB.


Hypocrisy thy name is Mudcat!

I guess it must be like banging your head off a wall, just for the great feeling you get when you stop.


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Subject: RE: BS: I miss beardedbruce...
From: ranger1
Date: 23 Apr 11 - 07:08 AM

John, who pissed in your porridge this morning? I don't believe I have been the least bit nasty to Bruce and I resent the blanket statement that was just made above.


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Subject: RE: BS: I miss beardedbruce...
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 23 Apr 11 - 07:31 AM

I hadn't noticed his absence yet either - hadn't been long after all, and I miss his parting post.

I took it that the one he was objecting to was aimed at the fact that very few indeed of his posts were in the music section. But I found one in which he was offering to sell a five-string banjo, so I don't class him with the people who waltz in here and argue away without showing any interest whatsoever in music.

I hope he'll be back anyway.


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Subject: RE: BS: I miss beardedbruce...
From: SINSULL
Date: 23 Apr 11 - 08:13 AM

John,
You need to re-read the thread. With the exception of MichaelR's unpleasant and misinformed comment, all above have said they miss sparring (and sometimes losing) with Bruce. Disagreeing with a person's point of view doesn't mean disrespecting him.
His enormous cut and pastes drove me nuts sometimes. But Kendall drives me nuts sometimes too. Doesn't change my respect for him.
Actually, John, you drive me nuts sometimes and I still respect you.
LOL
SINS


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Subject: RE: BS: I miss beardedbruce...
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 23 Apr 11 - 08:20 AM

Would you discuss politics with someone while sittin' at the public food court in a big mall and have a microphone mounted on the table so that EVERYONE in the damn mall could hear all your political opinions nice and loud and clear? Would that be a good idea?

No, it wouldn't. It would draw a lot of ignorant reactions from all directions.

But people do it online here without a moment's thought. And then they get flak from everyone here who don't agree with them...just as if they were sittin' in that public food court, only even worse...and they spend their days fightin' online with all those other people about their differin' political views...and it turns their days into shit.

Is this smart behaviour? Would it be smart to keep doin' it day after day? Would it improve your life in any way? Would it change anything for the better?

I think Bearded Bruce probably began askin' himself those kinda questions at some point. The answer to all of 'em is "no".

So why not have a drink instead and shut up for a change? And vote APP in 2012.

- Chongo


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Subject: RE: BS: I miss beardedbruce...
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 23 Apr 11 - 09:01 AM

Come on, Chongo, just admit you're as addicted as the rest of us..It's OK, we'll still love you. ;0)


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Subject: RE: BS: I miss beardedbruce...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Apr 11 - 09:16 AM

Actually, he and I weren't arguing with each other much, if any....but, I don't know why he left, or where he is. I recall him, 'having at it' with the 'left' quite a bit...which put us somewhat on the same side, of several 'discussions'(?)....and I recall being away for Mudcat for a while, and when I popped back in, I found a thread called 'Calling GfS', so I replied.....so BB, if you happened to pop in, to check it out, say 'HI'. Not everyone on here is a bunch of 'ill-spirited' hypocritical, lame brained political, non musical fly-farts!....but I do have to admit, it sure seems like it, a lot of the time!....just like any family!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: I miss beardedbruce...
From: GUEST,999
Date: 23 Apr 11 - 09:41 AM

I do not give a rat`s ass who did or didn`t--does or doesn`t--like BB. The man has steel cojones. I like his sonnets, some of his politics and the man himself is close to priceless.

Murdoch


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Subject: RE: BS: I miss beardedbruce...
From: Bill D
Date: 23 Apr 11 - 12:21 PM

Beardedbruce is fine... I have seen him 2-3 times in the last couple weeks. He is deep into acquiring & trading fiddles & violas these days, and brought my son a viola to experiment with, and took 2 old violins my wife owns to a shop for evaluation. (seems they are pretty good ones)

We 'almost' never talk about Mudcat issues in person, as we argue constantly as VT personalities.

(He also works a weird, variable set of shifts, depending on which satellites need monitoring)

He is also 'thinking' about retirement, and has acquired an old building for renovation when he retires, and is planning that.

He is also a fount of knowledge about how & where to obtain decent, cheap used computer hardware... he is watching for a flat-panel monitor for me.


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Subject: RE: BS: I miss beardedbruce...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Apr 11 - 01:17 PM

Bill D, Thank you for the update. When you see him again, extend a 'Hello' from me and let him know he has my regards, and best wishes!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: I miss beardedbruce...
From: Beer
Date: 23 Apr 11 - 01:40 PM

Thanks Bill for that up date. B.B. has always been an interesting person when writing. The best of luck to him and this also proves there is life besides Mudcat.
ad.


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Subject: RE: BS: I miss beardedbruce...
From: olddude
Date: 23 Apr 11 - 02:45 PM

I miss him to, it is ok if we don't agree on politics ... politics is just that, a caustic subject that turns friends against each other. We all have the right to agree or disagree. Bruce is a fine person and is missed. I don't care if we disagree on anything. I also hear he is a fine musician. I am sorry that political wrangling drives anyone away from a music site. I wish to God we could not discuss such issues anymore. Nothing good ever comes out of them except pain and feelings hurt


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Subject: RE: BS: I miss beardedbruce...
From: ranger1
Date: 23 Apr 11 - 02:48 PM

He once wrote a great sonnet about the osprey at the park I used to work at, and gave me permission to print it out and post it on our bulletin board, as long as he received attribution.


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Subject: RE: BS: I miss beardedbruce...
From: Charley Noble
Date: 23 Apr 11 - 09:11 PM

Bill D-

Thanks for the update.

I missed his last post, and it was probably on one of those political threads that I tend to avoid after one or two posts.

I think he might be intrigued by the fact that a wide range of Mudcatters actually miss him, and respect him at some level even if they disagree with him.

I have to care a whole lot myself to continue posting on most political threads, but sometimes I do and sometimes it pays off.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: I miss beardedbruce...
From: Carly
Date: 25 Apr 11 - 02:44 PM

Bruce will probably not be returning here; I think he was angry and hurt to be told that he did not belong here because of his political stands, and that no one on that thread answered to support his right to be a part of mudcat, and by implication, the traditional music world. Bruce enjoys a good argument; believe it or not, he is even willing to be proved wrong on occasion, but he respects his opponents and expects the same in return. I am not surprised that he annoys people; he drives me crazy sometimes too, (and I often disagree with him politically,) but I love him and I am proud that he is my younger brother.

Bruce has spent decades supporting the musical traditions that we cherish, and the people who help them to continue, in a myriad of ways large and small, often quietly and with no recognition. He is the most generous human being I know, often to the cost of his own comfort and welfare, towards people he meets in the many parts of his busy life, and you could not have a more loyal friend. It is disgraceful to make anyone unwelcome here because his or her political views do not match yours, naive to believe everyone who is interested in traditional music is on the left politically, and sad that my brother no longer feels welcome here.

Carly Gewirz


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Subject: RE: BS: I miss beardedbruce...
From: GUEST,999
Date: 25 Apr 11 - 02:58 PM

Carly,

Please pass on to your brother that he's welcome here as far as I am concerned. He's a good guy. Please let him know I said that.

Bruce Murdoch


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Subject: RE: BS: I miss beardedbruce...
From: michaelr
Date: 25 Apr 11 - 03:30 PM

Let's get real here for a minute.

A quick survey of bb's posting history shows that he made almost 1,400 posts in 2010. Of these only two or three were related to music. All others were in BS, many of them to threads he started himself. If he indeed "spent decades supporting the musical traditions that we cherish, and the people who help them to continue", he didn't do it here.

And the threads he started were generally of a liberal-baiting nature, i.e. he purposely posted material that was sure to be disputed by Mudcat's left-leaning majority. In other words, he was trying to provoke debate (you might say, start fights) knowing full well how his views would be received here.

Therefore it is hypocritical in the extreme to pretend he was driven away by hostile members on the left. My above comment was neither misinformed nor unpleasant, but both sarcastic and to the point.

Don't take my word for it - go to Old Advanced Forum Search and put "beardedbruce" in the box.


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Subject: RE: BS: I miss beardedbruce...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 Apr 11 - 04:56 PM

It's simple. He had an addiction to visiting this place, posting here, and getting in political wrangles with people here. He kicked that habit. That's something many others here haven't managed to do yet. And that's about all there is to it.


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Subject: RE: BS: I miss beardedbruce...
From: gnu
Date: 25 Apr 11 - 05:09 PM

michaelr... some may consider him a catalyst rather than as you describe.


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Subject: RE: BS: I miss beardedbruce...
From: olddude
Date: 25 Apr 11 - 05:11 PM

Well I am sorry if I did not visit the thread and tell him not to get upset ... I have made an effort to stay away from political threads anymore.   I wish a good person like Bruce would just forget it ... people here care about him. I do ... I never took any political comment personally, I have gotten upset over some threads but then I just let it go and think others can have an opinion even if I don't agree.   I wish he would reconsider.   There still is lots of good people and lots of music ...

please give him my kind regards. I hope he does come back. He will be missed for sure
always
Dan


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Subject: RE: BS: I miss beardedbruce...
From: olddude
Date: 25 Apr 11 - 05:17 PM

Carly
and please tell him that one person does not speak for everyone on this or any forum. For every insult there are 100 others that think it is wrong ... please do not judge everyone for political disagreements.


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Subject: RE: BS: I miss beardedbruce...
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Apr 11 - 06:12 PM

Carly and BillD,

Say hey to BB fir me and tell him to PM me with his email address... I'm moving and not too sure what mine new email address will be but if I have his then I can stay in touch...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: I miss beardedbruce...
From: ranger1
Date: 25 Apr 11 - 07:16 PM

michaelr, this will be the last time I respond to you, but yes, you were being mean and nasty, and for no real apparent reason that I can see.

It is because of this kind of shit that I took a three month hiatus from Mudcat. Sorry I wasn't here to speak up for you, Bruce.


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Subject: RE: BS: I miss beardedbruce...
From: Bill D
Date: 25 Apr 11 - 07:31 PM

I did not see the thread in question, but Carly is right about his generosity and friendship.... Bruce knew his political views were controversial and often contentious, but I thought he was usually able to hold his own against opponents.

It may not help, but he is not the 1st to leave because of frustration in defending controversial views ...of various topics.

I don't think Bruce will worry much about it, one way or another. I 'may' bring it up sometime, but only if it seems relevant. Who knows? He may read this & think it over.

(*grin*...it seems that one of his more ardent opponents has not been seen here in quite awhile, either. Sure is quiet on some topics)


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Subject: RE: BS: I miss beardedbruce...
From: Joe Offer
Date: 25 Apr 11 - 07:47 PM

Well, Bruce and I changed a tire together once, to rescue a damsel in distress. If you change a tire with a guy, you become friends forever. He's a good guy, even when we disagree.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: I miss beardedbruce...
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Apr 11 - 08:35 PM

Yeah, too bad they didn't have tires back in Jesus's day 'er that would be in the New Testament, Joe... Seems like some outta Matthew??? Lol...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: I miss beardedbruce...
From: Bill D
Date: 25 Apr 11 - 08:41 PM

They had asses, though...*grin*. Didn't Jesus supposedly ride one?


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Subject: RE: BS: I miss beardedbruce...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Apr 11 - 12:26 AM

Yes, and Samson reputedly slew 500 with the jawbone of one too, didn't he?


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Subject: RE: BS: I miss beardedbruce...
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Apr 11 - 12:41 AM

Oops. I just realized I misspoke earlier - the sing song sonnets I was thinking of are those from Walksabout Verse. I haven't read any of BB's sonnets for a long time, in general it's his politics I dislike, and his propensity for starting threads simply to start arguments. Just to be clear. I'm sure he changes a fine tire, is a talented IT person - and has been the case many times here at Mudcat, a lot of people are different in person.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: I miss beardedbruce...
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 26 Apr 11 - 01:49 AM

I just want to say that I only said those nice things about Bruce earlier because I was afraid he might be sulking and a few compliments might get him motivated to come on this thread and speak. Evidently, that's not going to work because somebody didn't get their nap on time, and now they're a little grumpy. Well, say I, the hell with that bearded reactionary with the glint of anarchy in his eye. There's plenty of other places I can get tasty jellied ginger treats, anyway.


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Subject: RE: BS: I miss beardedbruce...
From: Lox
Date: 26 Apr 11 - 09:50 AM

I'd been meaning to add to this thread for a while, but as I was only able to view it on my mobile, having been offline at home for the last week, I had to wait until now.

I too have wondered where Bruce is.

I don't know if I have ever affected his view of things, but he is one of a very select number of people to convince me to change one of my founding principles.


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Subject: RE: BS: I miss beardedbruce...
From: catspaw49
Date: 26 Apr 11 - 11:33 AM

IF you're really missing bb I understand as well. Fight? Sure.....but that's the nature of things at times around here. He had some habits that drove many nuts. So for all of us driven nuts, maybe this will help:


Microsoft's leafy corporate campus in Redmond, Washington, is beginning to look like the streets of New York, London and just about everywhere else: Wherever you go, white headphones dangle from peoples' ears.

To the growing frustration and annoyance of Microsoft's management, Apple Computer's iPod is wildly popular among Microsoft's workers.

"About 80 percent of Microsoft employees who have a portable music player have an iPod," said one source, a high-level manager who asked to remain anonymous. "It's pretty staggering."

The source estimated 80 percent of Microsoft employees have a music player -- that translates to 16,000 iPod users among the 25,000 who work at or near Microsoft's corporate campus. "This irks the management team no end," said the source.

So popular is the iPod, executives are increasingly sending out memos frowning on its use.

Of course, Microsoft's software is used by dozens of competing music players from manufacturers like Creative Technology, Rio and Sony. Its Windows Media Audio, or WMA, format is supported by several online music stores, including Napster, Musicmatch and Wal-Mart. Microsoft's PlaysForSure program markets this choice as a boon for consumers.

Nonetheless, Apple's iPod commands 65 percent of the portable player market, and its online iTunes Music Store 70 percent of online music sales, according to Apple.

"These guys are really quite scared," said the source of Microsoft's management. "It shows how their backs are against the wall.... Even though it's Microsoft, no one is interested in what we have to offer, even our own employees."

So concerned is management, owning an iPod at Microsoft is beginning to become impolitic, the manager said. Employees are hiding their iPods by swapping the telltale white headphones for a less conspicuous pair.

"Some people are a bit concerned about being traitors, not supporting the company," he said. "They're a bit stealth about it."

How "stealth" varies from division to division. At the company's Macintosh Business Unit, which publishes a wide range of software for the Mac, owning an iPod is almost de rigueur.

But at the Windows Digital Media Group, which is charged with software for portable players and the WMA format, using an iPod is not a good career move.

"In the media group they all smoke the company dope on that one," the manager said.

Mary Jo Foley, editor of Microsoft Watch, said she had no knowledge of the iPod's popularity on Microsoft's campus, but has noticed a lot of iPod chatter among Microsoft's legions of bloggers.

"I have seen lots of Softies blog about it," she wrote in an e-mail.

Microsoftie Chris Anderson, for example, just blogged about buying himself an iPod, three days after buying his wife one.

"I couldn't resist anymore," he wrote. "The industrial design on the iPod is absolutely amazing. The usability of the device is light-years beyond anything else I've seen."

Robert Scoble, who calls himself the "Microsoft Geek Blogger" and is one of the company's most widely read and vocal mouthpieces, sometimes appears obsessed with the iPod.

He recently penned an open letter to Bill Gates about how to build an iPod-killer (first thing: start a blog). "Even I want an iPod," he confessed.

The Microsoft manager said he's heard from several executives who dutifully bought Microsoft-powered players, tried them, failed to get them working, and returned them in favor of an iPod. He went through the same experience, he said.

He had no idea if Bill Gates or Steve Ballmer, Microsoft's CEO, own iPods -- he's never seen what gadgets they use. "I've never seen either of them with any device, but I only see them in meetings," he said.

"There are frequent communications within the company about why it's a bad choice," the manager said. "So many people have chosen the iPod, executives feel they should send out memos about it."

For example, an internal e-mail circular sent to several senior managers in mid-December talked about iPod shipments to Apple's nearby store in Bellevue.

The e-mail said: "FWIW, the gal at the Bellevue Square Apple Store said that they are getting in two shipments of 200 iPods every day to keep up with this week's demand, and are nearly constantly selling out."

The note prompted a curt reply from Dave Fester, general manager of the Windows Digital Media division, who wrote the group: "I sure hope Microsoft employees are not buying iPods. We have great alternatives. Check out http://experiencemore."

Fifteen minutes later, the manager responded: "I don't know what I was thinking. I'm sure that Microsoft employees are not buying iPods, or Macs or PlayStations."

In 2003, Fester stirred up considerable controversy claiming Apple is locking in consumers with proprietary file formats, despite Microsoft's long history of using the same tactic.

As for hiding his own iPod use, the manager said he flaunts his iPod, despite the constant comments -- and occasional arguments -- it prompts.

"I don't really care if it pisses them off," he said. "I'll argue why they're doing it wrong. If you want me to stop using it, give me a product that works and is as easy to use."


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Subject: RE: BS: I miss beardedbruce...
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 26 Apr 11 - 02:13 PM

a lot of people are different in person Very true and some are even different in private messages than they are on public forums. And I mean that in both good and bad ways.

I have learned a lot in my short time on this forum not to take anyone in anonymous setting at face value. I will try to give the benefit of the doubt regardless of difference of opinion that all here are generally decent people.

Bruce - if I have offended you by being unkind either on or off list, I apologise.


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Subject: RE: BS: I miss beardedbruce...
From: DougR
Date: 26 Apr 11 - 02:33 PM

I think L.H. is right (how do you like that?). It's easy to get addicted to the Mudcat and it's a habit hard to break.

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: I miss beardedbruce...
From: Charley Noble
Date: 26 Apr 11 - 09:05 PM

DougR-

It's still the best deal in town.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: I miss beardedbruce...
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 26 Apr 11 - 11:39 PM

My in-laws are the perfect example of people whose politics I despise, along with their propensity to lob political hand grenades into conversations at Sunday brunch. But I love 'em anyhow. Both too old to change a tire, so BB has 'em beat there. But he surely does do the other things they do.


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Subject: RE: BS: I miss beardedbruce...
From: kendall
Date: 27 Apr 11 - 07:59 PM

When someone lobs a right wing political grenade into a conversation that I'm involved in, I pull the pin and lob it back.


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Subject: RE: BS: I miss beardedbruce...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 28 Apr 11 - 05:02 PM

kendall: "When someone lobs a right wing political grenade into a conversation that I'm involved in, I pull the pin and lob it back."

Usually the pin is pulled BEFORE it's lobbed the first time!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: I miss beardedbruce...
From: robomatic
Date: 28 Apr 11 - 11:36 PM

I agreed with BB most of the time and I think he handled himself well with a back of rabid posters tryin' to bring him down (and failing). There's a difference between a good argument and 'having the last word.'

Robo whose favorite mp3 player website is www.anythingbutipod.com


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Subject: RE: BS: I miss beardedbruce...
From: J-boy
Date: 28 Apr 11 - 11:52 PM

Kendall meant it as a joke, GfS. Think about it.


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Subject: RE: BS: I miss beardedbruce...
From: olddude
Date: 29 Apr 11 - 08:13 AM

Bruce
get your butt back here, people care about you ... stop the nonsense none of us have any clue about politics ... none of us can change anything. It is what it is ... so stop it and get back here ok. You are missed otherwise people wouldn't take the time to tell you so

Dan


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Subject: RE: BS: I miss beardedbruce...
From: SINSULL
Date: 29 Apr 11 - 02:26 PM

It's Maine humor, GtF. Think about it.


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