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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: VirginiaTam Date: 16 Jun 11 - 07:15 AM I was thinking same re Rachel's age. More like 36. We have had a change of plan. Crowsister and I will be on campground tonight. Problem is, no time to shop or prep for group meal tonight. So I'll boil up some hotdogs for thesilentone after he sets up van. He has to be back home tonight for work tomorrow. |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: Girl Friday Date: 16 Jun 11 - 09:23 AM Well, I'm still coughing, and spluttering, with headache. Hope to be feeling better for Seven Stars on Saturday. Weather's a bit changeable today innit? Just seen this on Yahoo - one sheep between three men Sheep Rescue |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: VirginiaTam Date: 16 Jun 11 - 10:58 AM aarrrgghhhh... lost map to knockholt... will just look for Tally Ho pub, I guess. |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: GUEST,Woodsie Date: 16 Jun 11 - 03:10 PM See y'at The & Stars - Knockholt without Kenningham - I don't kmow ... |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: Girl Friday Date: 17 Jun 11 - 09:44 AM Kenningham's asked for a floor spot. Don't think he went to Knockers |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: GUEST, Richard Bridge in a field on the netbook (j Date: 17 Jun 11 - 03:28 PM Soggy! |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: Girl Friday Date: 17 Jun 11 - 04:58 PM Thinking of you all. Rain seems constant, so despite being a little fed up with being indoors, we're happy. Been cold today. Despite thermometer reading 70... it felt like winter. How many of you are up there? Was the feast well attended ? |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: GUEST,bRIDGE Date: 18 Jun 11 - 01:16 AM ACTUALLY TWERP GUEST THERE ARE A COUPLE HERE WHO REALLY ARE GOOD |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: GUEST,Woodsie Date: 18 Jun 11 - 06:37 AM Appalling: causing extreme dismay, horror, or revulsion There are some bad singers (me for one) but ye don't have to be placido Domingo to have fun at folkmob. |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: billybob Date: 18 Jun 11 - 07:22 AM Wish I could be there! Have fun xx Wendy |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: GUEST,Woodsie Date: 18 Jun 11 - 07:41 AM I wish I could be there as well - hope ye don't get bogged in! |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: Girl Friday Date: 18 Jun 11 - 01:01 PM It's looking fairly like they might.... hope they don't. |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: GUEST, Bridge Date: 18 Jun 11 - 08:26 PM The Volvo I am using this time has a locking diff |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: Girl Friday Date: 19 Jun 11 - 08:23 AM Jolly good idea. Did you have the thunderstorm yesterday ? |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: Richard Bridge Date: 19 Jun 11 - 09:30 AM There were some very sharp showers, but Saturday night made up for it all! |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: VirginiaTam Date: 19 Jun 11 - 11:41 AM Had a lovely time despite the van springing a leak and having the headache from hell most of Friday. Feast was well attended. Pierre le Chappeau's chicken was melt in the mouth good. Field did not stay soggy, but the clear nights Thursday and Saturday meant it was cold cold at night. Really love the intimacy and long time stories from Knockholt veterans, though some were very much missed. You know who you are. Getting the van out this morning was a dawdle. Sorry I couldn't stay to help with clearing the field this morning, 2 of our party of 3 were not feeling very well. I can't speak for Crowsister but I am still feeling quite rough. Looking forward to Autumn Gold and happy to hear it is back on. Hopefully it won't take us 4 hours to get from mid Essex to campsite on Friday evening. |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: Richard Bridge Date: 19 Jun 11 - 03:23 PM Wasn't the fire glorious? I'm trying to work out roughly how many people were there (and how many camping units) each night. Weds, I was in and out with the chainsaw and did not stop but I think it was 4 units and 10 people. Thurs I was not there but am guesstimating 6 units and 15 people. Fri - I was physically present but a little unaware(!) but I think 10 or 11 units and maybe 24 people Sat - definitely 15 units and I think I counted 42 round the campfire but maybe not all stopped to camp. So in total roughly 35 unit/nights and 90 people/nights. Given the weather predictions we had been facing I can't imagine it ever being fewer. Assuming all goes well with the new committee and the plans for Equinox - and the new "self-financing" basis - it still looks like its going to be a great cheap DIY weekend. |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: Girl Friday Date: 21 Jun 11 - 10:09 AM Thanks Tam and Richard for the reports. The turnout was excellent, given the weather conditions. Did Pierre do his lime chicken? That was gorgeous, and that comes from someone who doesn't go a bundle on chook. Generally, it's tasteless, and dry, but when cooked with herbs, and spices, it can be nice. Glad that the Autumn Camp is back on again. Hope to see some of you at Crayside on Saturday. |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: Pierre Le Chapeau Date: 22 Jun 11 - 04:31 PM It was a superb knockholt ,the fire stayed alight through out each down pour. Those Logs were huge so thanks to Richard for cutting them down to size in what was on occasions in pouring rain and on 2 accessions a right down pour whereby he had to seek shelter and eat a welcomed Sausage and Rocket sandwich and halt cutting temporarily for safety reasons ? The feast was great and all the food tasted lovely well done. The field posed no problem in regards to getting on and off despite the weather. People moaned the fire was not hot, remember folks we are arguable camped on the highest point in all Kent so the heat from the fire does not come out it goes straight up into a cold sky? You wont benefit from the knockholt fire at all wear good warm clothes and a layer of thermals ? only on a windless warm night will you warm from the fire. Fact. We had Elm this year which burns lovely and hot but not on a barren summit on a clear windy nigh? Look forward to all this again in September. Regards to all Pierre Le Chapeau. |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: Richard Bridge Date: 22 Jun 11 - 04:36 PM Oh I think that fire was HOT. There was a period when many new logs were added and they were shading people from the heat, but the flames were licking up about 12 feet high - I have photo on phone to prove it. I'm sure that Ken has many pix too - he seemed to be filming a lot. |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: Pierre Le Chapeau Date: 22 Jun 11 - 05:12 PM Ken always does film a lot, he enjoys the singing and playing. Indeed the Saturday night was a break for us all weather wise ? I think in regards to the Marquee which went up very quickly and like wise on the Sunday came down very quickly was a gathering point for a lot of people. in inclement climate? its a Bloody Palaver putting the Marquee up and I agree a modern set of electrical tools would make a difference with the erection? but would electrical tools fit between the poles /frame work and the nuts and bolts?? its would make the job much quicker without fiddling about with spanners? but we tried a metric socket set one year and the thing would touch the nuts ? Im pleased there were no logs to man handle on the Sunday the few that remained I imagine were taken home which saves some folk a lot of heavy lifting? |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: Richard Bridge Date: 23 Jun 11 - 02:23 AM The trick for the marquee will be a new set of bolts with allen heads, then the short straight allen keys that go into an electric drill... |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: Richard Bridge Date: 23 Jun 11 - 02:23 AM The trick for the marquee will be a new set of bolts with allen heads, then the short straight allen keys that go into an electric drill... |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: Pierre Le Chapeau Date: 23 Jun 11 - 05:30 PM Yes i agree? The existing bolts sit next to useless? rounded off to buggery. I know a quicker way which I suggested ' GAFFA TAPE '? not joking done it B4? RE frame tent? regards Pierre Le Chapeau. |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: Pierre Le Chapeau Date: 23 Jun 11 - 05:40 PM We had a huge event years ago at Chislehurst caves? all that Palaver that goes with a huge event? any way the reception Marquee came without fixings? / very + event organizers) += CROSS) i simply suggested Gaffa tape? Whacko I was hero /soon forgotten? |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: Happy Hare Date: 24 Jun 11 - 07:38 AM Quite a few familiar faces missing this time, and we were in danger of growing webbed feet. However thanks to Richard Bridges fine efforts, trees were transformed into logs, so we were able to get round the fire during dryish spells. Music was good and varied, as was the saturday meal,so we enjoyed. However I would like to remind all the abscent Folk Mobbers of Ethel Mermans words 'If you dont use it you lose it'. So come and enjoy thr next Knockers. |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: Richard Bridge Date: 24 Jun 11 - 08:33 AM Sue is having th following put on the Folkmob website; ""KNOCKERS" COMES OF AGE The Knockholt camps have been running now for 18 years. We began back in 1993 and I think there were about 11 of us that first time as well as an assortment of our various children. We used an old ridge tent as our kitchen and shelter (some of us are posing in front of it in the photo I took with Dave's camera) and our WC was a bucket in a toilet tent. We'd graduated to a porta potti by the second year but emptying it down a drain at the bottom of the field was still a very nasty job. As the Folk Club grew in numbers there were more members wanting to sample the Knockholt experience so we decided to hire a couple of toilets financed by the club funds, but in the early years we foraged for our wood and rubbish clearance wasn't an issue, so that was our only outlay apart from the farmer's fee (which has never increased). Over the years Knockholt became increasingly popular and we welcomed into our midst extended families, neighbours and other friends from the folk world, all of whom added a little something to the Knockholt magic but which also meant it became necessary to hire 4 toilets for the June camp and 3 for September as well as buying in wood and hiring a skip for the rubbish. We bought a new marquee which was cheaper than hiring one for two camps – but it needed some maintenance. Gradually the cost of running the camps increased until last year we tipped the scales at over a thousand pounds (which did include some one-off items like a new reliable hose) – still financed by the Folk club funds. The money collected from campers (£4 per unit per night) all went to the farmer for the use of his field. Like all good things the "Knockers Fest" is still evolving but in recent years the balance has gradually shifted - where once Folkmob regulars made up the majority of the Knockholt stalwarts that is no longer the case so it now seems the time is right for Knockholt to fly the Folkmob nest and become financially independent of the club. To ensure that the camps continue to thrive they need to be financed by those of us who attend and derive so much pleasure from the events. After an impromptu meeting in the marquee last weekend, where everyone present was very supportive and helpful in formulating the plans for the new self financing system, it was decided that this September's camp will still go ahead. The autumn camp will be a bit of a test run to see if our calculations are correct in predicting that we can reliably cover the costs. Expenditures are largely fixed, but income depends entirely on how many come. If it is too tight then charges will have to go up in future, but if there is a significant surplus then charges may if it is prudent go down. Details and examples follow. A Knockholt committee was formed consisting of – Sue and Mick Forde Pat and Debbie Ormsby Richard Bridge Linda Smith Alan Austen Dave Kenningham Jim Radford SEPTEMBER KNOCKHOLT Wednesday 7th to Sunday 11th £5.00 PER PERSON PER NIGHT PLUS £5.00 PER UNIT PER NIGHT FOR EXAMPLE One person camping 1 night - £10 Two people sharing a unit camping 1 night - £15.......(£5 per person plus £5 for unit) Three people sharing a unit camping 1 night - £20.......(£5 per person plus £5 for unit) And so on One person camping 2 nights - £20 Two people sharing a unit camping 2 nights - £30......(£10 per person plus £10 for unit) And so on One person camping 3 nights - £30 Two people sharing a unit camping 3 nights - £45......(£15 per person plus £15 for unit) And so on" |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: GUEST,Woodsie Date: 24 Jun 11 - 12:39 PM ? |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: Richard Bridge Date: 24 Jun 11 - 08:55 PM What's your problem Woodsie? |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: Richard Bridge Date: 24 Jun 11 - 08:56 PM Refresh for parallelism
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: GUEST,Woodsie Date: 25 Jun 11 - 08:55 AM My problem would be £10 a night! |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: Richard Bridge Date: 25 Jun 11 - 01:16 PM It seems very reasonable to me. There are four potential answers to you Woodsie if it really is a problem. I say four but there may be more. 1. Find £10 per night rather than (for example and not by way of limitation) spending £50 in the Tally Ho. 2. Share with another person in your unit to reduce the cost to £7.50 per night (less than the cost of three pints). 3. Persuade the Folkmob committee to reinstate the or a subsidy 4. Hope that cost reduction is possible - one possibility is to replace the skip with me making a tip run with my trailer. But the wood is already a real bargain, and cost cutting on the grottibottis is likely to be most unattractive - I remember your views the year that they were - er - badly polluted by an overindulger. |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: GUEST,Woodsie Date: 26 Jun 11 - 09:06 AM The Tally Ho pub is one of the most enjoyable experiences at Knockholt and any amount that I choose to spend there is value for money and nothing to do with paying £40 to sleep in a field with minimum/zero facilities that is not value for money. A skip? never needed it in the previouse 12 years that I went. Yes and I was usually one of the two or three there on the last Sunday helping Mick Forde with clearing the final ashes. I don't wish to subsidise iresponsible people who can't be bothered to clear their own shit when leaving the field. By the way, the cost of camping was £3 rising to £4 around 2001 not always £4 as it says above/below. When I was a regular attendee/committe member of folkmob I paid £2 / £1 weekly fee and bought at least 1 raffle ticket ans as myself and Dave Kenningham went EVERY week that came to at least £130 a year. The wood and portaloos were paid for from this money as were the upkeep of the PA system and underwriting of guest nights with lower than expected turnout. There was always still a healthy balnce at the end of the year. This whole putting the price up thing has come about in recent years due to new people appointing themselves to the Folkmob committe (no vote taken for years now) Some of these people newcomers despise subsidising "outsiders" who don't contribue during the year! I will not name them but they have actually told me this. I myself have always looked upon most of the non-folkmob regulars as "invited guests" and it's great to bring more diversity to the event - apart from a few occasions when we have had certain undesirables. I is sad to see this event, which used to be the highlight of my year - seperate itself from the folkmob. |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: Richard Bridge Date: 26 Jun 11 - 01:11 PM If the problem is the new Folkmob committee, Woodsie, the remedy is in the members' hands. Incidentally I did join once. Am I still ipso fact a member? If I am you might well have my vote if there were relevant pro-Knockholt votes. But if Folkmob are not prepared to subsidise Knockholt (and at present it seems they are not) then Knockholt must sink or swim for itself. And it is still the highlight of my year. But I just don't see the point of spending huge amounts in the pub - you can do that any time but you can only sit round the campfire and sing at Knockholt. If you are going to spend £50 on two consecutive days (so making £100) in the pub it seems odd to carp at camping at £10 per night - including loos cold water and a lovely fire. |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: GUEST,Woodsie Date: 26 Jun 11 - 01:31 PM Fair point Richard. However the old membership list was dissolved by the new regime. I did at one time maintain a membership list on an excel spreadsheet (you were on that) I offered it to the junta and was told "no thanks we are compiling our own list" I still attend folkmob now and then and perform regularly with the founder (the great DK) but will not waste the time, money and effort that I put in during the golden years at The Tudor Barn. |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: Richard Bridge Date: 26 Jun 11 - 02:09 PM Useful point. Have you still got the list and who are the junta and how do I contact them? |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: Mick Woods Date: 27 Jun 11 - 02:13 AM I will dig it out and email you. I won't name people here. Let's just say that "voting" for anything is not on their agenda - one of the reasons I walked out of the AGM a couple of years ago! |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: Richard Bridge Date: 27 Jun 11 - 03:22 AM Cheers mate. Do you keep abreast of the folkmob facebook page? |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: GUEST,sal / guest of knockholt Date: 27 Jun 11 - 06:18 AM hello peeps, how do I contact the sue & mick forde? we had some nice polite guests at pigs ear this year and I would like to request an invitation for them to join us at this autumn's knockholt if possible. i've explained that it's a private party and the contribution (current charge as listed here) is just to help keep it running. if anyone has a contact addy for me, maybe you could give it to tam to pass on? as a guest who really appreciates this event, i understand the need for increased charges but if it's gonna be a tenner a night for me next year, i'm not kipping in a tiddly little hiking tent again while everyone else is living in luxury in their vans, it's big comfy tent time! |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: Richard Bridge Date: 27 Jun 11 - 11:24 AM I have advised VT accordingly |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: Pierre Le Chapeau Date: 27 Jun 11 - 12:51 PM folkmob member who dont attend folkmob are asking why there subs and raffle money should be used to sponsor knockholt?"Fair enough. they would rather spend there money on guest performances>Fair enough?Thats why knockholts gone away from folkmob its what the majority of the members want because there not keen on camping and if they were once they aint now?? so be it fund it ourselves ?What is the issue?? 'What a Palaver' 1. iSSUE move it ahead to after i CAN SEE IS THAT SOME MAY NOT BE ABLE TO AFFORD IT ? 4 TOILETS why. make do with two? sod skip? regards Pierre? |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: Pierre Le Chapeau Date: 27 Jun 11 - 12:53 PM sorry read past Move it ahead? |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: Richard Bridge Date: 27 Jun 11 - 02:48 PM Skip - - there may be a plan - involving my trailer although it will mean more circular tours for me and Volvos - but I enjoy driving my Volvos anyway. If you were there the night of the M - - - C - - - - (fill in the blanks) dysentry attack you will realise why economising on the bogs is not a good plan. September only gets 3 anyway. If we show a surplus in September then next year will be cheaper: there is no plan to make a profit, but it would be nice to have a cash cushion so that if there is an event with low turnout or an unexpected expense the committee do not have to put their hands in their own pockets. The calculations have been done on the basis of the low turnout this summer, so if numbers do rise costs will be able to go down. |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: Richard Bridge Date: 27 Jun 11 - 05:43 PM Pete - I have a plan - become Pierre le chateau and let out spare rooms... |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: Girl Friday Date: 28 Jun 11 - 06:42 AM Seems tent sharing could be a viable option . You would have to know, and trust your tentmate implicitely, and not be worried by snoring / trips to the loo, etc. Several trips a night seemed one good reason for getting a caravan, warmth was another one. |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: melodeonboy Date: 28 Jun 11 - 07:26 AM I'm gonna get you in my tent, tent, tent tent, tent Where we can both experiment, ment, ment, ment, ment Yeah, yeah, it's so convinent, ent, ent, ent Let's take a taxi to my tent Oh yeah, my love is so insatiable In a stoic sort of way But my baby is as beautiful As a tourniquée I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna I'm gonna get you in my tent, tent, tent tent, tent Whoa, whoa, it's only common sense, sense, sense I know that you won't mind the stench, stench, stench Of the sacrament Go on, let this love destroy her I can't control this paranoia I have to get a showbiz lawyer To stop me Spill, smash, smash, spill, spill, drug, wipe, wipe, trap, scream, tear, spit, shout TENT! TENT! You'll be laughing like a lunatic The judge got away If only I could win this At an auto café I'm gonna get you in my tent, tent, tent tent, tent Find out where the weasels went, went, went, went, went We'll fill his hospice with cement, ment, ment, ment And dance the tango in my tent! (Bonzo Dog Band) |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: Richard Bridge Date: 28 Jun 11 - 07:28 AM Bids accepted for 8-man Lillywhite Frowde scout tent - in need of some TLC... |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: GUEST,guest rachel Date: 28 Jun 11 - 08:22 AM no vacancies! |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: Essex Girl Date: 28 Jun 11 - 02:40 PM The folkmob committee have always discussed things fully and every member of Folkmob has a chance to put up for election. Mick, I seem to remember that although you were at last years AGM, you did not wish to be on he committee. Unfortunately owing to Sue's incapacity we have suspended the committee for the time being. I agree that the sums for Knockholt going forward might seem a bit steep,compared to what we have been paying but if we want it to continue we have to fund it ourselves. I suggest holding a fund raiser somewhere. Any suggestions? |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: Richard Bridge Date: 28 Jun 11 - 04:43 PM 100 |
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