BS: Bin Laden and the 9/11 inside job

Subject: RE: BS: Bin Laden and the 9/11 inside job
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 04 May 11 - 08:59 PM

CNN reports that only 61% of Americans believe that Bin Laden is in hell right this minute.

Honest.

Subject: RE: BS: Bin Laden and the 9/11 inside job
From: Bill D
Date: 04 May 11 - 09:39 PM

I dislike Cheney intensely, and I have little doubt that there was 'careless' attention by Bush/Cheney to data that might have been useful... but I CANNOT believe that even Cheney would have ignored specific information about the nature of the attacks. (The data they had was kinda vague..something like a report heading.. ""bin Laden determined to attack US"
So far, no one has shown me evidence that he did have specific info. I HAVE seen evidence that he manipulated data and public opinion to capitalize on the aftermath of 9/11.

Subject: RE: BS: Bin Laden and the 9/11 inside job
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 05 May 11 - 10:49 AM

Bill, I also don't believe Cheney ignored specific information. There was simply "chatter in the pipes" that was ignored. I don't believe he had any idea of the specifics or even the scale of what was being planned. He was probably expecting a more "typical" terrorist attack - something on the scale of the bombing at the Atlanta Olympics or, at worst, Oklahoma City. I believe he was willing to sacrifice a few lives to advance the neoconservitive agenda. When the actual attacks killed thousands instead of a handful, he was probably as shocked as anyone.

Subject: RE: BS: Bin Laden and the 9/11 inside job
From: GUEST,lively
Date: 05 May 11 - 11:02 AM

Little Hawk: "There is absolutely no point in discussing this with other people on the Internet, for reasons that should be obvious to anyone by now."

I disagree. There are people like me who have never delved into any of this stuff, but who might be curious to know more and see what others think about it all.

Re-hash it out to your hearts content as far as I'm concerned. I know nothing that could sway me in the direction of any supposed theory, be it the official government story, or that of committed conspiracy theorists, or that of those who simply question aspects of the official government story.

Subject: RE: BS: Bin Laden and the 9/11 inside job
From: Donuel
Date: 05 May 11 - 11:23 AM

Bill D

After 20 hours educating myself about the proven evidence of thermite at ground zero I thought I had a grasp of the issue.

Your remark is cryptic in that you do not say what you believe or why you would be upset with my listing of issues at odds with scientific evidence.

THis link has no scientific evidence but it does show how men in suits lie with impunity. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YaFGSPErKU&NR=1

Subject: RE: BS: Bin Laden and the 9/11 inside job
From: Bill D
Date: 05 May 11 - 12:06 PM

The thermite idea was was began by, I believe, Dr. Stephen Jones, who claimed to have found 'evidence' of it as far away as the Brooklyn Bridge...little particles of 'unusual' Aluminum or something. Then people looked for similar particles at the site. Trouble was, there are MANY ways to get such particles without actually using thermite. .....and, as noted, thermite, if it WAS used, was not something that would have been useful in bringing down a building.
   Did you ever see the TV program where they did tests with various explosives...including thermite... on steel? It did almost nothing but scorch the area.

It was a case of people deciding what they WANTED to find, then adapting and freely interpreting anything they found to fit their theories.

Subject: RE: BS: Bin Laden and the 9/11 inside job
From: Donuel
Date: 05 May 11 - 12:23 PM

Jones was not the first to propose this possibility. The first people were firemen who had to deal with molten hot fires for 12 weeks at ground zero. Some steel beams would burst into flames when exposed to air 10 weeks later. Jones made headlines in 2005 when he argued that the rapid and symmetrical fall of the World Trade Center looked like the result of pre-positioned explosives. He argued that fires alone wouldn't have been hot enough to crumble the buildings; and that even if struck by planes, the towers should have been strong enough to support the weight of the tops as they crumbled — unless they were leveled by explosives.

Essentially forced to retire, Jones says he is now paying for research out of his own pocket. He likens himself to Galileo and Newton, who stood by their consciences. "I would like to think I could stand up for the truth,".

The dust study vindicates his earlier theories, Jones says, but he has mixed feelings about the implications.

Scientists that look at the evidence now are sadly seldom American.
http://www.esoterictube.com/danish-chemist-found-nano-thermite-in-wtc-dust.html

Given the 2 weeks of nightly work in the WTC elevator shafts 3 weeks prior to 9-11 there is opportunity. Motive is crazy but there have been stranger things, so what we have from my pov is means and opportunity.

what and how is largely answered. Why is too painful to debate.

Subject: RE: BS: Bin Laden and the 9/11 inside job
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 May 11 - 12:43 PM

The dust study vindicates his earlier theories, Jones says...

Yup - and he's the only one that does.

Subject: RE: BS: Bin Laden and the 9/11 inside job
From: Bill D
Date: 05 May 11 - 01:08 PM

reading matter (including the line: " What Jones found was something which would have been in the debris pile anyway. Sulfur..."

another view

so many more...I will not list them all. Suffice it to say that Jones & others Gerrymandered the 'evidence' to support what they intended to conclude....whether they did it consciously or not.

Subject: RE: BS: Bin Laden and the 9/11 inside job
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 May 11 - 02:59 AM

I ask again, according to the theory, at what stage did the Democrats become a party to the greatest act of treachery in history?

Subject: RE: BS: Bin Laden and the 9/11 inside job
From: Wesley S
Date: 09 May 11 - 10:30 AM

When I started this thread the whole point was NOT to rehash IF 9/11 was an inside job. Neither side of the argument is going to change their position based on anything we say here. Some of my questions to the people who DO believe in the "inside job" theory were:


What does the death of Bin Laden do to the 9/11 truth movement?

The videos where Bil Laden admits involvement in the 9/11 attacks - were they fakes?

Was Bin Laden framed?

Subject: RE: BS: Bin Laden and the 9/11 inside job
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 May 11 - 12:01 PM

My question about the Democrats is no rehash.
I do not think it has been addressed here previously.
I would value the opinion of one of our truthers.

Subject: RE: BS: Bin Laden and the 9/11 inside job
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 10 May 11 - 09:10 AM

No takers then.
I find it impossible to believe that the Democrats, and Obama in particular, would accept, condone and conceal mass murder of Americans and the gravest treason against the nation.

I could never believe that the Republicans or the miltary would allow it either.

Subject: RE: BS: Bin Laden and the 9/11 inside job
From: Bill D
Date: 10 May 11 - 03:03 PM

So, Keith...they have no real evidence. They have 'slogans' and 'suspicions' and because they share them with each other, they assume that makes their paranoia admissible. We will NEVER get thru to them when they do not intend to see anything except conspiracies.