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PHJim 18 Aug 11 - 01:55 PM
PHJim 18 Aug 11 - 01:59 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 18 Aug 11 - 02:55 PM
Dave Hanson 18 Aug 11 - 03:09 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 18 Aug 11 - 03:11 PM
gnu 18 Aug 11 - 03:13 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 18 Aug 11 - 03:27 PM
Greg F. 18 Aug 11 - 04:07 PM
Smokey. 18 Aug 11 - 05:35 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 18 Aug 11 - 06:07 PM
Smokey. 18 Aug 11 - 06:23 PM
Charmion 19 Aug 11 - 01:53 PM
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GUEST,leeneia 19 Aug 11 - 02:56 PM
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Subject: BS: Homeless Vets
From: PHJim
Date: 18 Aug 11 - 01:55 PM

I heard a radio documentary on the homeless yesterday and one of the facts that they stated was that in the USA, one in four homeless are combat vets. I found this hard to believe and wonder if the stats in Canada are similar.


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Subject: RE: BS: Homeless Vets
From: PHJim
Date: 18 Aug 11 - 01:59 PM

Homeless Vets


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Subject: RE: BS: Homeless Vets
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 18 Aug 11 - 02:55 PM

The correct statement should be one in four homeless men are veterans. Most are sheltered (place to sleep at night, food provided).

Health care and job training was poor for veterans, particularly veterans of the Vietnam War.

About 40% of homeless are single men. Of these, 23% are veterans. One-fourth of 40% = 10%.
Add to this the male members, who were veterans, of the 40% of homeless who are families with children.

Most of these homeless are sheltered.

(Department of Housing and Urban Development Figures, summarized in Wikipedia, "Homelessness in the United States")


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Subject: RE: BS: Homeless Vets
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 18 Aug 11 - 03:09 PM

This got me thinking, why should vetrinary surgeons be homeless ?

Dave H


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Subject: RE: BS: Homeless Vets
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 18 Aug 11 - 03:11 PM

vetrinary? can't find in dictionary.


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Subject: RE: BS: Homeless Vets
From: gnu
Date: 18 Aug 11 - 03:13 PM

1 in 4? That is disgusting. Any homeless is apalling, of course.


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Subject: RE: BS: Homeless Vets
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 18 Aug 11 - 03:27 PM

Homeless in Canada-
Federal estimate is about 150,000 but homeless advocates estimate the number is closer to 300,000.
Proportionally, this is about the same as the U.S. figures. A UN representative who looked at Canada in 2007 lamented the absence of verifiable figures, and lack of breakdown into categories.

I couldn't find the percentage 'sheltered'.


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Subject: RE: BS: Homeless Vets
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Aug 11 - 04:07 PM

What's the big deal?

Them folks in the Tea Potty will just stick a few more yellow "Support The Troops" magnets on their SUV's and everything'll be all right.

Problem solved.


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Subject: RE: BS: Homeless Vets
From: Smokey.
Date: 18 Aug 11 - 05:35 PM

We call animal doctors in the UK 'vets', because veterinary surgeons is a bit of a gobfull.


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Subject: RE: BS: Homeless Vets
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 18 Aug 11 - 06:07 PM

We call animal doctors in N. Am. 'vets' because veterinary surgeons are a bit of a mouthful.


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Subject: RE: BS: Homeless Vets
From: Smokey.
Date: 18 Aug 11 - 06:23 PM

No, I couldn't eat a whole one either.


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Subject: RE: BS: Homeless Vets
From: Charmion
Date: 19 Aug 11 - 01:53 PM

There is practically no hard information about the homelessness among Canadian Forces veterans available to the public. If there is any knowledgeable opinion on the subject, it is most likely to be found in organizations such as Veterans of U.N. Peacekeeping, Canadian Army Veterans (yes, it's a motorcycle club) and the Royal Canadian Legion.

I doubt you'd get a straight answer -- even "We have no idea" -- from the Department of Veterans' Affairs.


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Subject: RE: BS: Homeless Vets
From: olddude
Date: 19 Aug 11 - 01:53 PM

Ebbie is the one that could tell us for sure ... She is the most experienced with helping the homeless God Bless Her

Any homeless is appalling in a country that has so much like America .. Remember when Reagan cut funding and they opened up all the mental hospitals telling the patients they are cured be on your way.

Thousands walking around barefoot in the cities , homeless ...
disgrace ..


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Subject: RE: BS: Homeless Vets
From: Jeri
Date: 19 Aug 11 - 02:14 PM

National Coalition for Homeless Veterans

Demographics of homeless veterans

"The Forgotten Americans-Homelessness: Programs and the People They Serve" – released Dec. 8, 1999, by the U.S. Interagency Council on the Homeless (USICH) – is the National Survey of Homeless Assistance Providers and Clients (NSHAPC), which was completed in 1996 and updated three years later. You can download the NSHAPC reports at www.huduser.org.

Veteran-specific highlights from the USICH report include:

23% of the homeless population are veterans
33% of the male homeless population are veterans
47% served Vietnam-era
17% served post-Vietnam
15% served pre-Vietnam
67% served three or more years
33% were stationed in war zone
25% have used VA homeless services
85% completed high school/GED, compared to 56% of non-veterans
89% received an honorable discharge
79% reside in central cities
16% reside in suburban areas
5% reside in rural areas
76% experience alcohol, drug or mental health problems
46% are white males, compared to 34% of non-veterans
46% are age 45 or older, compared to 20% non-veterans


It's somewhat dated, but I'm not sure things haven't gotten worse.


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Subject: RE: BS: Homeless Vets
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 19 Aug 11 - 02:56 PM

Our women's shelter is building an addition because the number of women (and their children) seeking shelter from abusive men has risen significantly.

The number has risen because the police are now using a set of 11 questions that they ask the victim in a domestic abuse situation. It is a methodical way of establishing whether the person is in danger. (IIRC, for example: Has he ever choked you? Beaten the children? Threatened to kill you? Does he have a gun?)

(There are shelters for men, too, but the problem with women is much greater.)

I'm glad the police are asking the questions, but I'm sad that it took so long for somebody to implement the idea. We gave some money for the new shelter.


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Subject: RE: BS: Homeless Vets
From: gnu
Date: 19 Aug 11 - 03:36 PM

One of the reasons police in many jurisdictions are not even allowed to ask such questions is that in a subsequent court case the questions and answers or the answers ALONE cannot be used as testimony as the victims may be deemed to have been "led on". This has been much debated in child abuse cases and has been shown to be grounds for dismissal. It is debatable in cases involving adults but the similarities for sharp laywers to exploit such doubt exists.

Of course, if such Q&As are effective in providing immediate assistance and protection to the victim, it's a good thing. Likely, such procedures far outweigh the possibility of negative impact in prosecution of the perpetrator.

I'll bet that is good for another hundred posts.


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Subject: RE: BS: Homeless Vets
From: Jeri
Date: 19 Aug 11 - 03:39 PM

A lot of them are veterans then?


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Subject: RE: BS: Homeless Vets
From: gnu
Date: 19 Aug 11 - 03:45 PM

Hmmmm... cornflake problem?

Sorry... just makin a joke eh.


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Subject: RE: BS: Homeless Vets
From: gnu
Date: 19 Aug 11 - 03:51 PM

Sorry for the thread drift, Jeri. It's a serious problem, as I said above.


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