BS: NA coast hurricane season 2011

Subject: BS: NA coast hurricane season 2011
From: gnu
Date: 22 Aug 11 - 04:28 PM

Irene looks like a bitch!

Subject: RE: BS: NA coast hurricane season 2011
From: EBarnacle
Date: 23 Aug 11 - 09:03 AM

Yup, we're expecting her Late Sunday thru Tuesday.

Subject: RE: BS: NA coast hurricane season 2011
From: GUEST,999
Date: 23 Aug 11 - 10:06 AM

Where's it expected to hit?

Subject: RE: BS: NA coast hurricane season 2011
From: SINSULL
Date: 23 Aug 11 - 01:36 PM

Florida to NC. Too soon to tell. Could go east a bit too.

Subject: RE: BS: NA coast hurricane season 2011
From: Bill D
Date: 23 Aug 11 - 01:46 PM

Up I-95 probably

Subject: RE: BS: NA coast hurricane season 2011
From: gnu
Date: 23 Aug 11 - 01:47 PM

9... follow the link. I also watch the US Hurricane Centre even though they spell it incorrectly.

Subject: RE: BS: NA coast hurricane season 2011
From: Bill D
Date: 23 Aug 11 - 01:50 PM

incorrectly?? Centre? Sen-tree? *grin*

Subject: RE: BS: NA coast hurricane season 2011
From: GUEST,999
Date: 23 Aug 11 - 01:54 PM

Thanks, Gnu.

Where's BWL?

Subject: RE: BS: NA coast hurricane season 2011
From: gnu
Date: 24 Aug 11 - 01:54 PM

The NHC has just updated the track eastward, closer to Cape Hatteras but with the eye still inland. EC is sticking with the eye just grazing the cape.

maeve... 9AM Monday on the EC track is, ahhh, have a peek.

Subject: RE: BS: NA coast hurricane season 2011
From: maeve
Date: 24 Aug 11 - 02:01 PM

Yep...Thanks, gnu. Getting ready so we can relax and ride it out in the yurt.

Subject: RE: BS: NA coast hurricane season 2011
From: gnu
Date: 24 Aug 11 - 02:18 PM

130kph ain't too bad but it ain't too good either. I suspect the sustained will be about 100 givin the present estimations and track projections. Plywood might be a good idea on the eastmost windows, depending on how things go in NC. If it tracks more to the west than the EC track shows, those winds should drop significantly.

I prepared a small piece of plywood for one of Mum's windows last year as it has a simple insert for a portable air conditioner and I would trust it over 80kph. I have two such units but I fiddled an installation that will take a lot more. Looks like crap but I made them out of scrap in the garage. Still gotta duct tape the ends of the hoses tho... is the track stays on track... >;-)

Subject: RE: BS: NA coast hurricane season 2011
From: gnu
Date: 24 Aug 11 - 02:29 PM

Hmmm... I noticed a bunch of "dirt spots" on Mum's vinyl siding the other day (kinda looks like mold spots) and decided I was gonna wash it again this summer, soon. Maybe I'll hang off. >:-D

Subject: RE: BS: NA coast hurricane season 2011
From: maeve
Date: 24 Aug 11 - 02:55 PM

As long as the weather lets up enough for you to apply some suds, the rain will scrub down the siding sure enough, gnu!

Nobody else around here seems to be taking the storm seriously. We're in a vulnerable position, and anything we do to prepare now will pay off for us whether for this hurricane or a storm in the future.

We have plywood scraps ready for smaller windows, and full sheets coming in a couple of days for the big passive solar windows. Setting up in the yurt to camp there for the duration, generator at the ready, various supplies gathering by the door. There is no way we want to be in the camper for what could be a significant windstorm; 30-40-50 mph was horrible enough in storms this past fall, winter, and spring.

Once we're set up, we'll enjoy the storm.

Subject: RE: BS: NA coast hurricane season 2011
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 24 Aug 11 - 10:50 PM

Bruce... I'm still here on the Gulf Coast. Irene's not comin' my way. Gulf of Mexico... Atlantic Ocean... They're both salty and have fish in 'em, but they're not the same. The Gulf has prettier beaches and nastier hurricanes.

But there's this big ol' mess of bad weather out near the Cape Verde islands that they're saying has like a 90% chance of becoming Jose. Repeat after me, "No way, Jose! Go 'way Jose!" Just practicin'...

Subject: RE: BS: NA coast hurricane season 2011
From: ChanteyLass
Date: 24 Aug 11 - 11:23 PM

In Rhode Island, I'm following the storm's track, too. I've got enough meds for a few days, batteries, masking tape for windows, water, non-perishable food, a cooler, ice packs in the freezer for food I might want to move to the cooler, a wind-up radio, and a cell phone that will be fully charged if we get a hurricane watch. Right now we don't even have a hurricane warning. If we do get a hurricane watch, I'll also bring in the trash barrels, which are the only outdoor items I have. I hope the hurricane by-passes all Mudcatters!

Subject: RE: BS: NA coast hurricane season 2011
From: Bettynh
Date: 25 Aug 11 - 10:46 AM

I'm beginning to worry. This ones' path looks like the 1938 hurricane
and the 1954 hurricanes Carol
and Edna. I remember the 1954 season, although I was only 6. We lived on Bostons' north shore, about a mile inland. We lost two apple trees and had no electricity for a week. ChantyLass, how far away is Narragansett Bay from you? Providence was under 12 feet of water from storm surge in both those years. My father told about the hurricane of '38 from the house I live in now, in southern NH. He described a sugar maple next door, rather small at about 30 feet tall, falling over sideways from saturated soil and wind. It was cabled, hauled back upright and survived another 50 years. If anyone is in a warning area, one thought might be to fill a bathtub with water. If yoiu lose water supply jugs of drinking water are important, but so is flushing the toilet. If you have a land-line telephone, resurrect a plain-vanilla phone that doesn't need electricity. Also, for long-term post-hurricane digging in, knowing where a local supplier of dry ice is located might save a freezer full of food.

Subject: RE: BS: NA coast hurricane season 2011
From: gnu
Date: 25 Aug 11 - 11:49 AM

Well, it looks like I ain't gonna get me house washed. Maeve... looks a loot better for you too. 100kph and the track is now further west so, hopefully, you won't see any really nasty wind. Of course, skeeters certaily won't be a problem. >;-)

Subject: RE: BS: NA coast hurricane season 2011
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 Aug 11 - 12:09 PM

Ok - "No way, Jose! Go 'way Jose!" - go Texas way, Jose! We crave your rain!

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: NA coast hurricane season 2011
From: Tinker
Date: 25 Aug 11 - 04:02 PM

Stilly7 I wish we could send it your way the ground is already saturated and they are talking about 10+ inches over the next few days. Well I needed to declutter the basement anyway..... sigh....

We are about 14 miles inland but some of the tracks aren't pretty

Subject: RE: BS: NA coast hurricane season 2011
From: Bill D
Date: 25 Aug 11 - 04:03 PM

I am making pans full of ice...(solid chunks melt slower)..to line ice chests with...just in case.
Also, we cook with electricity, and power outages (last time was 5 days) mean problems if we can't even cook frozen food that is thawing, so I am digging out an old gas stove in my basement (used to be an apt. there). It has been used only once in 27 years, but it would allow emergency stuff. I have 2 days to get it uncovered & adjusted.

We sometimes have problems with water getting in window wells on the south side of the house, so I dig a sort of shallow ditch to divert heavy downpours...and I cover the window wells and hope.

34 years ago I moved from tornado country.....I tell you, tornados are nasty IF they hit you, but they last only a few minutes.

Subject: RE: BS: NA coast hurricane season 2011
From: gnu
Date: 25 Aug 11 - 04:18 PM

I am POd! Moncton newspaper... "Forecasters' predictions are changing daily, however, as hurricanes are notoriously fickle. On one thing they agree, and that is the possibility that Irene could grow into a Category 4 hurricane, meaning winds around 217 km/h (135 mph), and rain of an intensity that is rarely seen in New Brunswick - not to mention storm surges that have become all too common along coastal New Brunswick in recent years."

The report that they could have easily accessed from the Canuck Hurricane Centre (properly spelled >;-D) was for far less than half of the wind speed they implied in the newpaper. Not much rain either. The article goes on so say we should all stock up on water and everything else we need to be totally helpless for at least 72 hours.

The elderly are easily scared because they believe the, the, the trash rags that sensationalize to sells newspapers. It is disgusting.

I printed out the CHC track map and gave it to several elderly peeps in my neighbourhood and explained it. Many thanks from them.

Do your newspapers and radio and TV practice this vile crap?

Subject: RE: BS: NA coast hurricane season 2011
From: Bill D
Date: 25 Aug 11 - 05:11 PM

Our radio & TV have been stressing that being OVER prepared is better than UNprepared. It may be too extreme of a warning, but it is far from "vile crap".
Depending on exactly where one lives and one's usual resources, 72 hours is not impossible. As I said, last time WE were hit, (Hurricane Floyd-1999), the winds were not super stong here, and it was over in hours...but many, many power lines were down and one big tree put us out of power for almost 5 days! Even the grocery stores near us were out of commission for several days, and deliveries were slow.

   The experts are saying that this has the **potential** to cause serious problems for up to 20 million people. We here near DC are likely to have more issues than N. Brunswick, but IF this storm gets nasty that far up, I'd rather see 'the elderly' (am I, at 72, in that category?) scared into excessive preparation than caught napping.

(and the US National Hurricane Center --[spelled properly from Maine south]-- says they simply don't know yet...)

Subject: RE: BS: NA coast hurricane season 2011
From: SINSULL
Date: 25 Aug 11 - 06:02 PM

I am really not sure about this one. The weathermen have cried wolf so often tht people may be inclined to ignore the possibilities.
Me? Tomorrow I am off after work for water, canned goods and an extra litter box. Maybe an extra box of wine as well. I am surrounded by big trees. Hope they stay put.
Ice machine is chugging out cubes and ny freezer packs are at the ready.
SOmehow I am more worried about the storm to follow. It looks as if it could take aim at South Portland. LOL
Stay safe all.
I remember a hurricane coming through Howard Beach (Inland tip of Long Island) and going out to see the quiet and the riot all around it. Weird stuff.
M

Subject: RE: BS: NA coast hurricane season 2011
From: Bill D
Date: 25 Aug 11 - 06:29 PM

I lived in tornado-land for 35 years and never was hit by one...but the town of Udall, KS was wiped out not far away. We took ALL the warnings seriously.
"Crying wolf" is what someone does to get attention when they KNOW there is no danger. Telling someone that wolves are dangerous and 'may' be in the area is a pretty good idea.

Subject: RE: BS: NA coast hurricane season 2011
From: gnu
Date: 25 Aug 11 - 06:30 PM

Bill D... I disagree. The eldery are already prepared. That's how they got to be elderly. Scaring them now is just sinful. Especially when it isn't necessary according to EC.

Subject: RE: BS: NA coast hurricane season 2011
From: Bettynh
Date: 25 Aug 11 - 06:52 PM

I would hope to hear that President Obama is cutting short his vacation and leaving Martha's Vineyard (with the hundred or so staff, press, politicos, etc.) soon. He could get another day if he goes somewhere other than DC (maybe visit some Chicago buddies??). The last storm that really hit New England (Bob, 1991) blew all the leaves off the lilacs on the islands. A friend visiting in late September reported new growth and flowers from the very confused shrubs.

Gnu, I think you're still likely to see the blob of water that this storm carries. If it crashes into the southern coast of New England, you'd be pretty safe from storm surge. TV coverage here is still in the "it pays to always be prepared" mode, with coverage of boats on the seacoast (all 26 miles in NH) being pulled out early for the season "just in case." The weather reporter has presented a map with 12 computer predictions that's quite interesting. One shows a path over northeastern New York, 2 show paths out to sea (1 hitting you squarely) and the rest run straight up through New England. Stores are busy with people buying water (why they can't just jug up some tapwater is beyond me).

Subject: RE: BS: NA coast hurricane season 2011
From: gnu
Date: 25 Aug 11 - 06:56 PM

Maybe they are short on jugs?

Subject: RE: BS: NA coast hurricane season 2011
From: Bettynh
Date: 25 Aug 11 - 07:09 PM

LOL, Gnu, I suppose. I always keep 6 (milk, ice tea, whatever) jugs for watering my houseplants. (2 floors, I can carry 3 at a time). I wouldn't even be bothered by people buying gallons of water, but they're buying those quart-size bottles by the case in the tv news story. I dunno, maybe all the gallons are already gone.

Subject: RE: BS: NA coast hurricane season 2011
From: Joe Offer
Date: 25 Aug 11 - 07:24 PM

Uh, oh....I never thought this hurricane might affect me.
I'm flying into Newark, New Jersey, on Sunday evening and changing planes for Ireland. Am I likely to hit New Jersey the same time as the hurricane?

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: NA coast hurricane season 2011
From: Bettynh
Date: 25 Aug 11 - 07:33 PM

The storm is predicted to be here in New England by late Sunday, but the air traffic snarls will depend on how hard the airports got hit as the storm passed by. You might be ok, Joe, but it's a close call.

Subject: RE: BS: NA coast hurricane season 2011
From: maeve
Date: 25 Aug 11 - 07:52 PM

Count yourself fortunate if you have what you need to prepare for a storm. Many, many, people don't.

We are preparing with several neighbors in mind. They are in housing that would not withstand the storm we could get, so may do well do stay in the yurt with us, whether Irene causes the damage she could, or whenever another bad storm wanders our way. I'm glad your elderly neighbors are prepared, gnu. Most of ours are not and cannot.

One advantage of smaller bottles is that they are easy to tuck in to your belongings if you are forced to evacuate, and that way most people can carry some water. There are also issues regarding hygiene, when wash water is at a premium and there are no water glasses. I prefer to have drinking, cooking, and cleaning water in several kinds of containers- we'll have to manage with what we have available.

Subject: RE: BS: NA coast hurricane season 2011
From: Bill D
Date: 25 Aug 11 - 08:03 PM

Joe... I would not be suprised to see flights 'affected' by this storm. New York is likely to be hit ON Sunday, and even if it has passed, delays would be expected....and who knows what damage will be done.

Watch the national news closely.


Gnu...this is not designed to 'scare' the elderly, but to help them get even older. Perhaps EC is not the last word on this.

Subject: RE: BS: NA coast hurricane season 2011
From: gnu
Date: 25 Aug 11 - 08:16 PM

Bill D... that newspaper clip I quoted is designed to do just that... and for the gullible. "Inferring" by twisting words that winds will be 217 kph when the forecast says 100 kph max is exactly what I said it was... irresponsible journalism to sell newspapers. EC is not the last word. Mom Nature is. But, last I heard, she don't write no articles in the newspaper. And she ain't got no show on The Weather Network needer. If she did, she'd likey say to us Herring Chokers... no problem, don't worry about it unless ya piss me off.

Subject: RE: BS: NA coast hurricane season 2011
From: catspaw49
Date: 25 Aug 11 - 08:31 PM

Well, all I can do is offer up some good thoughts and keep my fingers crossed for all of you...........I'll send my cell number to anyone who wants it if you want to say you're okay but out of power or whatever.


Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: NA coast hurricane season 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 25 Aug 11 - 08:35 PM

Looks like a direct path for NYC, and then west of Boston.

For those of us in Maine it means hauling out the boats and battening everything down.

Much of the State could lose electrical power, the rural areas for up to a week.

My mother who lives down on the coast has her own back-up propane generator. Maybe we'll move in with her!

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: NA coast hurricane season 2011
From: gnu
Date: 25 Aug 11 - 08:41 PM

Cell number? What about a reacharound for those of us that ain't gonna get fucked over by Irene? Show some compassion Spaw! Some of us are under the weather in other ways.

Yes. That WAS tasteless. Dispicable. I am remiss and I hang my little head in shame.

Sooo, what's yer cell number? And, what kinda number are you wearing you brute? I AM okay... fer now.

Subject: RE: BS: NA coast hurricane season 2011
From: maeve
Date: 25 Aug 11 - 08:44 PM

Here's an interesting blog http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/comment.html?entrynum=1899
considering similarities between hurricanes in the recent past going back to 1938 to Irene. The blogger is not a fearmonger, but a offers thoughtful warning with some useful links, including this one: http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/ssurge/risk/index.shtml?gm

Subject: RE: BS: NA coast hurricane season 2011
From: maeve
Date: 25 Aug 11 - 09:05 PM

Also of interest to some:
A view of Irene from space:

Subject: RE: BS: NA coast hurricane season 2011
From: ChanteyLass
Date: 25 Aug 11 - 10:09 PM

I'll be very happy to sing "Goodnight, Irene" when this storm is over.

Subject: RE: BS: NA coast hurricane season 2011
From: Bill D
Date: 25 Aug 11 - 10:14 PM

So, gnu... have you told that Moncton newspaper how you feel about excessive scariness? The warnings down here, and in New York...and in the Carolinas... can hardly be over done. This WILL be a nasty storm...but Moncton still has 3 days to soften its stance.

Subject: RE: BS: NA coast hurricane season 2011
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 25 Aug 11 - 11:02 PM

Last big one cost me a 22-foot sloop.

Subject: RE: BS: NA coast hurricane season 2011
From: Tinker
Date: 26 Aug 11 - 12:36 AM

Joe if you make it to Newark, but not out give me a call....I'm not that far from the airport ... god willin' and the creek don't rise.

Subject: RE: BS: NA coast hurricane season 2011
From: Gurney
Date: 26 Aug 11 - 03:17 AM

Stay safe, guys. It is even making primetime news on the other side of the world.

Subject: RE: BS: NA coast hurricane season 2011
From: gnu
Date: 26 Aug 11 - 06:10 AM

Bill D... yes, I sent a letter in but will THEY print it?

Yes, Gurney, it looks bad for the US coast. 195kph at landfall in NC at 3AM local time.

Subject: RE: BS: NA coast hurricane season 2011
From: artbrooks
Date: 26 Aug 11 - 08:27 AM

I'm in the same position as Joe, only worse. Our Great Eastern Vacation Trip began yesterday (nonrefundable tickets bought long ago, of course). Now in Pittsburgh, with train tickets to NYC on Sunday and Boston Thursday...then on to Halifax by air the following Sunday. Our Pittsburgh daughter may get REALLY tired of us!

Subject: RE: BS: NA coast hurricane season 2011
From: Hollowfox
Date: 26 Aug 11 - 08:55 AM

All you East Coast folks be careful for the next few days. that includes even as far inland as you, georgeward. I remember at least one hurricaine going right up the Hudson River some few years ago. the $#@!-reduction candle series has been started (only when I'm at home, folks); there's not much else but that and good thoughts and prayers that I can send at the moment.

Subject: RE: BS: NA coast hurricane season 2011
From: catspaw49
Date: 26 Aug 11 - 09:06 AM

They figure there are now over 50 million people under some sort of storm warning on the coast.

Hey Fox.....Should we go rescue artbrooks in Pittsburgh and show him east Ohio?



Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: NA coast hurricane season 2011
From: SINSULL
Date: 26 Aug 11 - 09:17 AM

He's on a corner by a pawn shop in Pittsburgh Pennsylvania...

Subject: RE: BS: NA coast hurricane season 2011
From: catspaw49
Date: 26 Aug 11 - 10:47 AM

Lest some of you think Sinsull has blown a headpipe...........

There's a pawn-shop on a corner in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
And I walk up and down 'neath the clock
By the pawn shop on a corner in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
But I ain't got a thing left to hock.

She was peaches, she was honey
And she cost me all my money
'Cause a whirl 'round the town was her dream
Took her dancin', took her dinin'
Till her blue eyes were shinin'
With the sights that they never had seen.

If you should run into a golden haired angel
And ask her tonight for a date
She'll tell you somewhere there's a rich millionaire
Who is calling again about eight.

There's a pawn shop on a corner in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
And I've just got to get five or ten
From the pawnshop on a corner in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
Gotta be with my angel again.


Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: NA coast hurricane season 2011
From: gnu
Date: 26 Aug 11 - 11:13 AM

The track has shifted eastward and the wind has been upped further north. The grocery stores are very busy even tho it doesn't look bad for us on the maps at the hurricane centres. The media are sure playing it up.