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BS: Can anyone ID this man?

frogprince 16 Sep 11 - 05:18 PM
kendall 16 Sep 11 - 04:27 PM
gnu 15 Sep 11 - 07:15 PM
kendall 15 Sep 11 - 08:49 AM
Lox 15 Sep 11 - 07:19 AM
TIA 14 Sep 11 - 11:44 PM
pdq 14 Sep 11 - 10:43 PM
Rapparee 14 Sep 11 - 10:34 PM
Seamus Kennedy 14 Sep 11 - 05:35 PM
Rapparee 14 Sep 11 - 05:13 PM
kendall 14 Sep 11 - 04:43 PM
pdq 14 Sep 11 - 11:22 AM
GUEST,Kendall 14 Sep 11 - 07:58 AM
Q (Frank Staplin) 13 Sep 11 - 12:59 PM
SINSULL 13 Sep 11 - 12:07 PM
GUEST,TIA 13 Sep 11 - 10:01 AM
Rapparee 12 Sep 11 - 08:07 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 12 Sep 11 - 03:04 PM
kendall 12 Sep 11 - 01:34 PM
GUEST,.gargoyle 12 Sep 11 - 01:06 PM
TheSnail 12 Sep 11 - 12:22 PM
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topical tom 12 Sep 11 - 11:49 AM
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Lox 12 Sep 11 - 10:02 AM
SINSULL 12 Sep 11 - 08:40 AM
kendall 12 Sep 11 - 06:58 AM
Allan C. 12 Sep 11 - 06:06 AM
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Helen 11 Sep 11 - 12:37 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Can anyone ID this man?
From: frogprince
Date: 16 Sep 11 - 05:18 PM

Look, let's get real here; we know what the law says, but this guy is obviously well over 21. Stop worrying about IDing him, let him buy the bottle.


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Subject: RE: BS: Can anyone ID this man?
From: kendall
Date: 16 Sep 11 - 04:27 PM

I guess it's time to let it die.


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Subject: RE: BS: Can anyone ID this man?
From: gnu
Date: 15 Sep 11 - 07:15 PM

Fascinating, really. Intriguing. Excellent thread, albeit, unintended as such.


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Subject: RE: BS: Can anyone ID this man?
From: kendall
Date: 15 Sep 11 - 08:49 AM

Iris you would stick to the subject.


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Subject: RE: BS: Can anyone ID this man?
From: Lox
Date: 15 Sep 11 - 07:19 AM

"the Portland Quick-Step"


Funny!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Can anyone ID this man?
From: TIA
Date: 14 Sep 11 - 11:44 PM

He does look damn familiar. But don't we all?


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Subject: RE: BS: Can anyone ID this man?
From: pdq
Date: 14 Sep 11 - 10:43 PM

Iris is in the eye of the beholder.


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Subject: RE: BS: Can anyone ID this man?
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Sep 11 - 10:34 PM

Noel Purcell has acted the part of an iris? Now THAT'S good acting!


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Subject: RE: BS: Can anyone ID this man?
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 14 Sep 11 - 05:35 PM

Iris actor Noel Purcell.


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Subject: RE: BS: Can anyone ID this man?
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Sep 11 - 05:13 PM

I think the guy was Kendall's best friend when Kendall was growing up.


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Subject: RE: BS: Can anyone ID this man?
From: kendall
Date: 14 Sep 11 - 04:43 PM

Close, but no cigar.


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Subject: RE: BS: Can anyone ID this man?
From: pdq
Date: 14 Sep 11 - 11:22 AM

Giuseppe Verdi was agreat composer but he had a beak like a buzzard.

The Mystery Man ain't him.

Longfellow, as suggested by Gargoyle, is really a close match.


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Subject: RE: BS: Can anyone ID this man?
From: GUEST,Kendall
Date: 14 Sep 11 - 07:58 AM

Sinsull could be right, first owner of the machine, but he looks so familiar!


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Subject: RE: BS: Can anyone ID this man?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 13 Sep 11 - 12:59 PM

Don't need a link. Most of us know how to search Ebay for fun things.....


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Subject: RE: BS: Can anyone ID this man?
From: SINSULL
Date: 13 Sep 11 - 12:07 PM

Oh TIA. I wish you hadn't mentioned the big butt. Now they'll be hounding you for a link and that will trigger...


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Subject: RE: BS: Can anyone ID this man?
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 13 Sep 11 - 10:01 AM

I did a digital overlay of the mystery man and several of the Verdi's. Much better match than similar test with Longfellow (but only one photo, so not statistically significant).

But all that may means is that mystery man looks a bit like Verdi.

The chances are vanishingly small that it is an actual famous person. A search on ebay for "antique photographs" yields 354 pages of results. Many of these have the description NUDE FRENCH BIG BUTT, but many seem to be similar style and vintage.

Still a great find and a fun mystery.


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Subject: RE: BS: Can anyone ID this man?
From: Rapparee
Date: 12 Sep 11 - 08:07 PM

It's my great-great-great uncle Wilhelm. We called him Willie because it annoyed him. That's his toilet paper he's holding: the picture was taken when he had a bad case of the Portland Quick-Step.


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Subject: RE: BS: Can anyone ID this man?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 12 Sep 11 - 03:04 PM

If the dates are hand-written, forget them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Can anyone ID this man?
From: kendall
Date: 12 Sep 11 - 01:34 PM

There is a slight resemblance but the dates dont jibe


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Subject: RE: BS: Can anyone ID this man?
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 12 Sep 11 - 01:06 PM

LONGFELLOW

Henry W. Longfellow

http://nzr.mvnu.edu/faculty/trearick/english/rearick/readings/authors/specific/longfellow_lrg.jpg



Sincerely,
Gargoyle


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Subject: RE: BS: Can anyone ID this man?
From: TheSnail
Date: 12 Sep 11 - 12:22 PM

kendall

He may well be the original owner,

Not if he died in 1895. The Victor Talking Machine Company was founded in 1901 and the first Victrola marketed in 1906.
Read all about it - http://www.victor-victrola.com/index.html


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Subject: RE: BS: Can anyone ID this man?
From: kendall
Date: 12 Sep 11 - 12:01 PM

Not obvious to me. The dates don't quite match and the photos are not near the same.
I got the box from Sinsull, she knows the history of it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Can anyone ID this man?
From: topical tom
Date: 12 Sep 11 - 11:49 AM

It's obviously George Frederic Root ( or an older Uncle Dave Macon?).


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Subject: RE: BS: Can anyone ID this man?
From: Rapparee
Date: 12 Sep 11 - 10:18 AM

I think it's Kendall during his hippy youth.


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Subject: RE: BS: Can anyone ID this man?
From: Lox
Date: 12 Sep 11 - 10:02 AM

So where did you get the box?

Where are you based (town, city)

Type those things in with the date and see what comes up.


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Subject: RE: BS: Can anyone ID this man?
From: SINSULL
Date: 12 Sep 11 - 08:40 AM

It's Captain Ahab out of uniform.


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Subject: RE: BS: Can anyone ID this man?
From: kendall
Date: 12 Sep 11 - 06:58 AM

He may well be the original owner, but what bugs me is he is so familiar.


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Subject: RE: BS: Can anyone ID this man?
From: Allan C.
Date: 12 Sep 11 - 06:06 AM

I think there may be some reason the picture was included with the Victrola. Since there are few clues on the picture, I'm wondering if there are any on the Victrola, itself. Or, perhaps it is simply the Victrola that is the clue.

On the other hand, as I flipped through hundreds of such pictures in an antique store, a friend quipped, "Oh, look! Instant relatives! You could claim any of these and who would know?"


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Subject: RE: BS: Can anyone ID this man?
From: kendall
Date: 11 Sep 11 - 03:17 PM

It's not Engels.
I'm wondering if it could be a famous author?

Mary, he will continue to live in the Victrola.


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Subject: RE: BS: Can anyone ID this man?
From: kendall
Date: 11 Sep 11 - 03:13 PM

Hand written.


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Subject: RE: BS: Can anyone ID this man?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 11 Sep 11 - 01:18 PM

Friedrich Engels was born 1820, died 1895. One of those Marxist people. Have the investigators been asking about you? Should we keep you at arms length?

Johnny Walker was born 1820, but still going strong!

Q- is the date of back printed or in manuscript? If not printed, could have been added incorrectly at some time.


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Subject: RE: BS: Can anyone ID this man?
From: kendall
Date: 11 Sep 11 - 11:16 AM

I did; to both.


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Subject: RE: BS: Can anyone ID this man?
From: Helen
Date: 11 Sep 11 - 12:37 AM

Kendall,

Did you tell us before that his birth & death dates were on the back of the photo? Or were you waiting for one of us to be smart enough to ask what was on the back of the photo? Proof: I'm not that smart! :-D

Try George F. Root, then.

Helen


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Subject: RE: BS: Can anyone ID this man?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 10 Sep 11 - 10:43 PM

It's Dick Greenhaus. A LOT of folks do not realize how long he has been on the planet!

~S~


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Subject: RE: BS: Can anyone ID this man?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Sep 11 - 10:40 PM

100..Can you believe it?

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Can anyone ID this man?
From: Barbara Shaw
Date: 10 Sep 11 - 10:38 PM

Looks a bit like Raymond Burr, maybe an ancestor of his. Also looks a lot like a musician I know named Jack Jolie, who lives in Maine and maybe Kendall thinks the photo looks familiar because he's run into Jack somewhere around Portland.


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Subject: RE: BS: Can anyone ID this man?
From: Rapparee
Date: 10 Sep 11 - 10:19 PM

Well, that would have made it a lot easier. Of course, the dates could also the incorrect or a note regarding someone else. But I do think I've seen that feller somewhere. As much as I'd like it to be a musician of some stripe, I still wonder if it might not be a late photo of F. Engels.


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Subject: RE: BS: Can anyone ID this man?
From: kendall
Date: 10 Sep 11 - 07:26 PM

You guys would make poor cops or eye witnesses. It is not Verdi.

Keep in mind that this man lived from 1820 to 1895. No way could he have composed before or after those dates.

Of course it's not autographed! Only the dates of his birth and death.


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Subject: RE: BS: Can anyone ID this man?
From: Helen
Date: 10 Sep 11 - 06:40 PM

On the link I posted to a collection of Verdi's photos, compare the 8th photo, i.e. second from left on second row from the top, to our mystery man. It's close, when you add a bit of extra flesh on the cheekbones, and make the beard white instead of black.

I think I'd put my money on it being Verdi. If that photo was common it would have been on the 'net, so maybe if it is validated, it might be a collector's item.


Helen


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Subject: RE: BS: Can anyone ID this man?
From: Rapparee
Date: 10 Sep 11 - 06:27 PM

Kendall -- it's not autographed by any chance, is it?


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Subject: RE: BS: Can anyone ID this man?
From: Helen
Date: 10 Sep 11 - 05:16 PM

Ooh, the Golden Mudcat! I am so honoured. I'd like to thank Max and all Mudcatters for making this award possible, blah, blah, blah. :-D

Some of the pix of Verdi don't look like the mystery photo, but some do. The nose is similar, but I'm still in two minds about whether the face shape is right.

photos of Verdi

Helen


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Subject: RE: BS: Can anyone ID this man?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 10 Sep 11 - 02:40 PM

Sorry. Squidoo

Composer study


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Subject: RE: BS: Can anyone ID this man?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 10 Sep 11 - 02:36 PM

It is Guiseppe Verdi.
Someone posted correctly above, give him/her the Golden Mudcat.

Compare with photo here:
Study

Also a photo at Wikipedia.


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Subject: RE: BS: Can anyone ID this man?
From: kendall
Date: 10 Sep 11 - 01:05 PM

Not even close, Sinsull. The dates don't match, and he looks nothing like the photo.


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Subject: RE: BS: Can anyone ID this man?
From: SINSULL
Date: 10 Sep 11 - 11:59 AM

Arturo Toscanini?


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Subject: RE: BS: Can anyone ID this man?
From: Rapparee
Date: 10 Sep 11 - 11:50 AM

Frank Zappa!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Can anyone ID this man?
From: Janie
Date: 10 Sep 11 - 07:04 AM

A previous incarnation of Wild Bill Wichrowski?


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Subject: RE: BS: Can anyone ID this man?
From: SINSULL
Date: 09 Sep 11 - 07:05 PM

Captain,
One bit of strange advice: keep the photo in the Victrola. He is happy there.
SINS
PS Ask Jacqui. She may be able to explain. M


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Subject: RE: BS: Can anyone ID this man?
From: freda underhill
Date: 09 Sep 11 - 06:39 PM

George Clooney's grandpa..


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Subject: RE: BS: Can anyone ID this man?
From: Helen
Date: 09 Sep 11 - 06:26 PM

Try Googling images of:

"composers of the 19th Century"

etc

What about Giuseppe Verdi?

Helen


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