Is English traditional music rubbish?

Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 23 Sep 11 - 11:08 PM

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Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Sep 11 - 08:53 PM

You are the troll, Dick. You have a very long history of being sussed out and trounced by Michael on the Session so now you think you can bring it over here. That's the motive behind this threads, folks. It has nothing to do with what the heading purports to be about, hardly surprising coming from a man who is a past master at misrepresenting himself. You would have been banned several times over from that website had you posted some of the comments you have posted here, Dick, you coward. Actually, we all know how hard it is to ban you because of your multiple and ever-changing identities. This thread is a disgrace and you are a disgrace.

Michael has his own direct way of saying what he says and he will probably never be appointed head of the diplomatic corps, but be assured that, when it comes to traditional music, he is no fool.

Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: Suegorgeous
Date: 23 Sep 11 - 08:52 PM

Is that the same folderol one comes across in folk choruses sometimes?

Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 23 Sep 11 - 08:41 PM

True enough you put Bargain Hunt on and theres david barby and Philip Serrel cooing over some monstrosity you wouldn't give houserrom to. Its very subjective as to what is rubbish.

Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: johncharles
Date: 23 Sep 11 - 07:31 PM

• rubbish [noun] worthless material that is to be disposed of
Synonyms: trash, scrap
• [noun] nonsensical talk or writing
Synonyms: folderol, tripe, trumpery, trash, wish-wash, applesauce, codswallop

Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 23 Sep 11 - 07:06 PM

Is a curb like a kerb, or more sort of BDSM?

Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: GUEST,Phil L
Date: 23 Sep 11 - 07:03 PM

Before we get too far in this debate can someone define rubbish? Maybe tradional rubbish has a greater value than other rubbish. Is there Pop Rubbsh, or Rock Rubbish, maybe Blues Rubbish. I find the idea of Art Rubbish quite appealing. Also Classical Rubbish, Serial Rubbish, Romantic Rubbish, Baroque Rubbish - the list goes on. Can the music be rubbish if the performer is not, or vice versa?

Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: GUEST,Blue Clicky
Date: 23 Sep 11 - 06:32 PM

Michael Gill is English. He once was a turtle.

Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Sep 11 - 06:28 PM

No. Rubbish is an odd lot of discarded stuff and spoilt food that gets put out at the curb once a week, usually inside a large black or green plastic garbage bag.

Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: GUEST,Ian Gill
Date: 23 Sep 11 - 06:20 PM

Hope this Gill fellow isn't related to me ! Anyway, as we all know the answer is 'no'. End of.

Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: The Sandman
Date: 23 Sep 11 - 06:05 PM

100, sorry lead fingers.
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: GUEST,Peter Laban - PM
Date: 23 Sep 11 - 05:27 PM

Not quite sure who the troll is in this case.

Well, I do actually.
Peter HAS JUST WON A CRACKERJACK PENCIL.

Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: Leadfingers
Date: 23 Sep 11 - 05:58 PM

Sadly , I have to admit that I HAVE heard a lot of Absolute Rubbish being passed off as Traditional Folk of ALL genres , but that was ALWAYS down to the performer rather than the original music !

Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: Jack Campin
Date: 23 Sep 11 - 05:38 PM

MtheGM - where did you find the grinning capacitor 〠 and what is it for?

Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 23 Sep 11 - 05:31 PM

I've noticed that quite a lot of musicians have this sort of attitude:-

Of course the hobbledehoys may think I'm rubbish - but if they really knew about folk/jazz/heavy metal/classical music/etc - then they would realise that I'm pretty wonderful.

Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 23 Sep 11 - 05:27 PM

Not quite sure who the troll is in this case.

Well, I do actually.

Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: The Sandman
Date: 23 Sep 11 - 05:25 PM

Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: Jack Campin - PM
Date: 23 Sep 11 - 04:57 PM

Michael knows what he's talking about. His communication style takes a bit of getting used to but it's worth making the effort to get what he's saying.

And he has never posted anything that comes close to self-promotion.
now, this is a post, that is interesting, so Jack appears to be saying that Michael knows what he is talking about, so English Traditional music is rubbish, yet neither Jack or Michael can explain why.
Jack you are an experts on modes, is English music rubbish because of its use or lack of use of all of the different modes.
and what has the remark about self promotion got to do with this thread

Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: Wesley S
Date: 23 Sep 11 - 05:15 PM

I think we're fortunate that tolls from other forums can get their opinions shared here too. Because if there's one thing the Mudcat could use it's more trolling posts.

So when is someone going to open a thread called "Are Trolls Rubbish"?

Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 23 Sep 11 - 05:15 PM

Why is this thread continuing? I gave the definitive answer to the question it poses in its 6th post. Why weren't you all paying attention?

Now go and sit quietly back in your desks, and stop all this nonsense at once!

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Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: Jack Campin
Date: 23 Sep 11 - 04:57 PM

Michael knows what he's talking about. His communication style takes a bit of getting used to but it's worth making the effort to get what he's saying.

And he has never posted anything that comes close to self-promotion.

Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: Banjo-Flower
Date: 23 Sep 11 - 04:40 PM

sorry Geoff you'll have to try harder I saw through your disguise straight away

yrreg

Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: GUEST,kcuD eht ffoeG
Date: 23 Sep 11 - 04:33 PM

Dick. Quite frankly some people should just be ignored.
!kcauQ
DtG.

Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: The Sandman
Date: 23 Sep 11 - 04:22 PM

troll? more like a racist Scottish fool, first he dismisses most irish traditional musicians as rubbish, then dismisses all english traditional music.

Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: Gurney
Date: 23 Sep 11 - 04:13 PM

It may be rubbish, but by jingo, it's British rubbish!

That's a quote, by the way.
I've sung more than my share of it, and come to the conclusion that it gives more to the singer than to the audience. Modern, non-trad audience. And to me, so does any other English-language trad.
But we can rest secure in the knowledge that the singer isn't a whore.:-)

Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: GUEST,Steamin' Willie
Date: 23 Sep 11 - 04:10 PM

Interesting question all the same.

All music is rubbish of course. The question demands a subjective answer and as anybody will call a piece of music rubbish when others will rave over it, all music can be rubbish.

beauty is in the ear of the bodhran holder.

Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: Tootler
Date: 23 Sep 11 - 03:44 PM

The few times I have looked at www.session.org, Michael Gill seems to have been quite prominent stirring things up. I get the impression he is something of a troll and should not be taken too seriously.

Mind you there is nothing like a good generalisation :)

Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: The Sandman
Date: 23 Sep 11 - 03:43 PM

so this berk.. llig leahcim, lumps northumbrian music along with the music of Oscar Woods and the singing of Joseph Taylor and Harry Cox as rubbish, to my ears they are quite different.

Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 23 Sep 11 - 03:38 PM

No

Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: michaelr
Date: 23 Sep 11 - 03:22 PM

Most opinions voiced on internet forums are rubbish.

Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: The Sandman
Date: 23 Sep 11 - 03:09 PM

he may have a point on the other hand he may not have a point.
and is all English rubbish music, is not only bad grammar, but unintelligible gibberish, or do you mean is all English rubbish, music?.

Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: GUEST,schlimmerkerl
Date: 23 Sep 11 - 03:07 PM

Wow! He spelled his name *backwards*. I was *completely fooled*. Many thanks John for revealing his true identity!

Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 23 Sep 11 - 03:04 PM

Well Michael Gill may have a point.
Is all English rubbish music? Is just as valid and sweeping a question.
;-)

Subject: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: The Sandman
Date: 23 Sep 11 - 02:57 PM

I saw the following statement on www.session.org, by someone calling themselves Llig leahcim.
"Well, to be specific, most traditional Irish music is rubbish because most traditional Irish musicians are rubbish.

And most traditional english music is just plain rubbish."
In my opinion this is a sweeping generalisation, made by an uninformed ignoramus, but i wondered how many other people thought traditional English music is just plain rubbish.