BS: Nobody likes a Tory

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 01:06 PM

Oooh - 300

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 11:37 AM

Its one of those odd things, everytime I contributed to this thread saying come now! lots of tories ain't all that bad - immediately a
tory would appear and remind you of all the reasons for hating them.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: GUEST,Steaming' Willie
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 04:06 AM

Eyup M'Ulearned Friend.

I thought you said earlier that this thread is finished when all Tories have been liquidated, or words to that effect.

Europe going into liquidation over dodgy Greek loans isn't quite the same thing.

Mind you, saying Bliar was a better liar than any Tory liar is scraping the barrell. Perhaps it has served its purpose after all. And to think I only got to contribute once. Ah well.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: GUEST,cujimmy
Date: 02 Nov 11 - 03:57 PM

Havn't seen those two nice Torys for ages - they seem to have dissapeared.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 04:51 PM

But in any event, I'm not going to continue this thread. It has served its purposes.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 03:12 PM

Even B. Liar was better than the conservatives would have been.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: BTNG
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 01:55 PM

sorry I was never a Red scare disciple, always seemed to me to be a waste of time and energy, again belaying the obvious that Stalin was every bit as evil as Hitler and millions were dying

I never supported Labour when they were "the peoples party" (now that's going back a bit) BUT having said that, I simply would not make a good Conservative lackey either, I'll leave that to you wysiwyg.

stop bashing the left wing, you're a one trick pony it seems to me.

" I have been on my MPs case since the election..." well if you're as annoying with him/her it's wonder they haven't been around to see you, the law that is.

anyway, where I am we have a provicial election coming up in the next week or so and I have been working on a local candidate's campaign, I need to get on with that..byeeeeeee! LOL

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 01:42 PM

It is my strong suspicion that Richard Bridge is an alter ego of Ed Millipede.

They both seem intent upon the same course of action, which up to now has been to stand on the sidelines, bankrupt of solutions, and sling large clods of mud in a feeble attempt to create more problems for the other side, displaying thereby their total lack of knowledge of a sensible way forward.

Better they close their mouths and be thought fools, than open them and prove it so.

I have been on my MPs case since the election, making a strong point of objecting to what I believe is wrong in their approach, and I have to say getting satisfactory responses, very definitely not the party line, in fact very often the reverse.

That is more, I would suggest, than most left wingers are doing.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 01:27 PM

""was he, then perhaps he should made himself clearer.
You state the obvious with absolute clarity, amazing""

Or perhaps you should read more carefully, and try really hard to comprehend the implications (all of them) of what you are reading.

Remember Tony B Liar was born with a silver spoon in his mouth, went to a good public school, and sent his kids to private schools as well while he was leader of New Labour, the "anti elitist party"......NOT!

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: BTNG
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 01:02 PM

exclusive film footage of David Cameron's back garden narration by David Cameron, explaining to us how he did it.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 07:17 AM

Too little, too late


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2055626/Nick-Cleggs-1-4bn-growth-fund-helped-just-7-firms.html

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 07:15 AM

Unto him that hath shall be given

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/2011/11/01/tory-donors-jcb-given-slice-of-950m-growth-fund-115875-23529052/#.Tq-SniooRjE.f

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 06:27 AM

Major growth slowdown (from terrible to worse).

Where's plan B?

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/elmr/gdp-and-the-labour-market/2011-q3---october-gdp-update/sch-gdp-and-the-labour-market.html

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 06:21 AM

Academies will damage the wider education system

http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2011/oct/31/academies-costs-for-maintained-schools

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 06:18 AM

When thieves fall out...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-15532131

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 06:17 AM

Primitive Tribesman, if you could read English it might be more worth debating with you - or pointing out your errors - but you either cannot or will not understand.

Meanwhile, the New York Times savages Cameron's abiities, and some ot the comments there are pretty good too

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/31/camerons-fantasy/

BTNG - you are an enigma - one day one side of the divide, another on the other. This time you seem to be correct. Don, you see, believes that he has been better off under conservative governments than otherwise, and is therefore grateful for their wisdom and leadership.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: BTNG
Date: 31 Oct 11 - 10:15 PM

was he, then perhaps he should made himself clearer.
You state the obvious with absolute clarity, amazing

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Little Hawk
Date: 31 Oct 11 - 10:12 PM

Hey, Al Capone came from humble beginnings too! A humble origin does not guarantee a humble role later in life...nor does it guarantee compassion for the working classes.

In any case, Don W was referring to Stalin's lifestyle when he was in power as dictator of the Soviet Union, not the lifestyle of his family when he was a youngster.

Ruthless dictators can emerge from the working class OR the middle class OR the aristocracy...it's a matter of individual temperament, not of class origin. You don't get an automatic "good guy" ticket just by being born into one class or another.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: BTNG
Date: 31 Oct 11 - 09:29 PM

Stalin's father was a bootmaker and his mother took in washing

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 31 Oct 11 - 08:37 PM

""Up The Ruling Classes Eh...? or toadying to the local squire or doing as your told

divers remarks on the poor and the poor knowing their place in society""

Neither mate!

Just pointing out that the ruling classes will be skimming off the cream, whichever side they are on.

You don't really think that Stalin had the same lifestyle as the serfs toiling through his ten year plans, do you?

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: BTNG
Date: 31 Oct 11 - 07:53 PM

Up The Ruling Classes Eh...? or toadying to the local squire or doing as your told

divers remarks on the poor and the poor knowing their place in society

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 31 Oct 11 - 07:47 PM

""You know Bridge, politics in The UK is either about governing on behalf of everybody in the country or it is nothing.""

For God's sake Ian, don't tell him that. You'll send him into a morbid decline.

I RB had any say in the government of this country (fortunately unlikely) he'd make Ghadaffi and Hussein look like a couple of choirboys.

I wouldn't give twopence for the chance of continued existence for anybody who could be shown ever to have voted Conservative.

There is nothing so rigidly biased as the political mindset of a champagne socialist. They are the ones who always wind up running the Commissariat, or Politburo, in Communist countries.

""All men are equal, except us Commissars""

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Musket
Date: 31 Oct 11 - 08:50 AM

Mmmm... Lots of examples of government ideas not being in the best interest of lots of people, some of it rather worrying in fact.

But nothing as worrying as Bridge saying a forum member is not worthy of breath... Even if I reckon Bluesman is having a laugh to get a reaction, or even if he believes what he writes, either way, he is worthy of breath surely?

You know Bridge, politics in The UK is either about governing on behalf of everybody in the country or it is nothing. Notwithstanding that you spout out issues, normally out of context, without offering alternatives, but if you want to talk about running the country, you have to accommodate the millions of people who are aimed in your hate sights.

Running a country is for everyone, even overpaid bankers and solicitors....

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 31 Oct 11 - 08:47 AM

"Primitive Tribesman, you said "the Brits".   If you has said "some Brits", you would have a better chance of asserting that you said what, it now seems, you meant."

Richard Cranium (you started the name calling), FFS Give It Up! You mis-read, mis-understood, opened that big trap before you connected it to your brain. YOU LOST.

Get over it.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 31 Oct 11 - 07:39 AM

Very disappointed to find no mention of the government resigning on Yahoo.

I feel misled, josepp.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: BTNG
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 10:53 AM

According to the likes of Bozo the Clown, there is no such thing as domestic violence, therefore no need for shelters for battered women.

Up the ruling classes eh Bozo? LOL

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 09:51 AM

Maybe Bozo likes the withdrawal of help from domestic violence victims.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/oct/30/female-domestic-violence-victims-lose-out-in-legal-reforms

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 09:16 AM

Ah, in place of the wonderful and very approachable Bob Marshall-Andrews I now suffer the hack Mark Reckless who sends me government line standard replies but has now revealed himself as part of the "Wogs begin at Calais" brigade.

Bozo - here those who reject your school of thought outnumber you many to one. Any one who derives extra ammunition from the links I provide may pass the word along, and so on.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 08:33 AM

At least my LibDem MP listens. He's very willing to engage in dialogue and sends me considered replies to any letters I write to him (I write to him on some of the things that you complain about, Richard - and others which are of concern to me). I genuinely believe that he doesn't see me as some sort of 'nutter' but as someone who is public spirited and with a valid point of view.

By contrast the local Labour councillors send bland, standardised replies to my letters and one of them even 'blanks' me in the street because she knows that I don't support her party. It's not just me who has had problems with our Labour dominated council. A highly knowledgeable and articulate member of our local Civic Society has finally given up talking to them because he says that they're like an impenetrable brick wall and he's now got a flattened forehead! So much for democracy!

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 08:12 AM

There are only perhaps a dozen of you on this site - do you really think you will make a difference??

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 08:08 AM

While you may feel like that about the Labour Party in its present form, it's still better (or maybe I should say "less bad") than the conservatives and the opportunist lib dems propping them up.   

If we keep publicising conservative wrongdoing maybe enough people will eventually get the point.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 07:49 AM

Thank you for your answer, Richard.

The only way forward that I can see (apart from the emergence of a truly popular and competent left wing party) is root-and-branch reform of the Labour Party. At the moment I despise that shower of self-righteous, hypocritical shites and will not vote for them again in their present form. It is they who lost the last election - and let the Tories in again (it's truly lucky for us all that they didn't get an overall majority).

I suspect that the LP can only be reformed by their rank-and-file. But they're all still fantasising about being noble, horny-handed sons and daughters of toil (in site of the fact that most of them are teachers, chartered accountants etc.) whilst letting the likes of Blair, Mandelson, Brown et al. walk all over them. I have a horrible feeling that the LP actually LIKE being in opposition - especially in opposition to a rabid, right-wing Tory government. Then they can come all over self-righteous and censorious without actually having to do anything sensible.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 07:33 AM

'there is no-one more self-righteous than a British Labour Party member'

I can think of some pretty heavy competition.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 07:28 AM

Primitive Tribesman, you said "the Brits".   If you has said "some Brits", you would have a better chance of asserting that you said what, it now seems, you meant.

I am not in fact a member of the Labour Party (although I am a member of UCU, and of course the Law Society). I did consider joining the Labour Party but then they removed Clause 4 from the constitution.   Incidentally I have thrice been approached by various right-wing parties to serve them or stand for them - presumably on the basis that I have a tolerable house so must be right wing, and/or that I am a vocal critic of the idiocies of our masters which art in Brussells, which is mistaken for an opposition to the EU which, on balance, I favour. I have naturally sent them packing.

What I see very clearly is that the present coalition, dominated by its right wing, is not merely wrong but evil - indeed there are hints of a return to Section 28, simply by way of illustration. Our immediate need is the lesser of two evils, while we try to construct a political system that seeks to serve all - from each according to their means, to each according to their needs.

The losses to the country (and I mean country, for large chunks of the money in question go abroad) from the parasitism of the rich far exceed the losses to the exchequer (but not to the country for the poor spend and hide far less abroad than the rich) from the opportunism of the poor.

We need to get rid of this government. Anything (apart from nut-houses like those that are not mentioned or UKIP) would be an improvement. We need that now and we can't wait until the left is perfect. It is better, right now, despite the venality of Tony B.Liar. Then the system needs fixing so that wealth does not give an electoral advantage (right-wing conservatives are expected to block reform of the funding of political parties to per-vote centralised funding).

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 06:27 AM

Thank goodness for private schools and private medicine if it's all the same to you.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 06:17 AM

"Richard is an anguished man, who grieves and misses something in his life."

I believe, josepp, that this is an overly dramatic interpretation of the situation. A more likely explanation is that Mr Bridge is a member of the British Labour Party. This was once a proud Left Wing organisation which could truly be said to represent ordinary British people. Rank-and-file members of this party still cling to the belief that it still is such an organisation (with increasingly fanatical fervour). Meanwhile their party has drifted further and further to the Right and become more and more authoritarian; there is no-one more self-righteous than a British Labour Party member (this applies both to the rank-and-file and to the leadership).

In 1997, after many years of Tory misrule, the Labour Party won a landslide victory under Tony Blair. We then had 13 years of Labour rule - first under Blair, then under Brown. Did the Labour Party in power do anything significant to reverse the ruinous changes wrought by previous Tory administrations? No, they didn't, but continued the rightward drift and tacked on lots of silly 'social engineering'. The present administration is just more of the same but a bit more vicious with some slightly less silly social engineering.

Do Labour Party members ever listen to anyone or accept any criticism? No - just as Mr Bridge won't take this seriously and will probably not even respond to it. He's right, he thinks he's absolutely and unassailably right and he will continue to ram his anti-Tory message down our throats whether by doing so he achieves anything or not.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 06:14 AM

100 leading economists tell Osborne he needs Plan B NOW.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/oct/29/george-osborne-plan-b-economy

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 06:12 AM

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/cameron-has-broken-castiron-pledge-to-protect-the-nhs-of

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 03:55 AM

Yes, yes, yes, yes and yes, we get it, we understand the problems, Mr Bridge!! NOW GIVE US SOME SOLUTIONS!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 01:59 AM

"Backwoodsman - you said "Brits". I am"

Didn't they teach you anything about English Comprehension at that poncy, overprivileged public school Richard? Your wilful, deliberate misinterpretation of my words speaks volumes for the debating tactics of members of the legal profession - dubious, to say the very least.

If I'd meant you, I'd have named you in the first place, instead I said that you had my respect. In the face of your puerile response, that respect has faded rather more than somewhat.

Here's a test for you - dogs have four legs, are all animals with four legs dogs? (Hint...the answer isn't "Yes", even though a lawyer might argue that it is).

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 29 Oct 11 - 12:39 PM

For Godsake Bluesman - get help!

In Kirkby in Asfield near where I used to live - there was this old man who seemed to hang around the area of the Cop-op. He had a miserable looking dog in a pram, dressed in rags, shouted nonsense, wore a great coat and carpet slippers and always seemed to be eating a pasty. You are the internet equivalent of this guy. Everybody looked at him and wondered why there was nobody to help him, calm his troubled soul, whatever.

Your posts affect people the same way. People are reading them with pity. Plus its a bit worrying that someone who seems to have nothing but hatred for people he has never met is out there on the streets.

I don't understand Richard. But with you....I'm sorry, but you're a bit scary.....

'In time Al, all in good time......'

I take it my name is on 'the list'. Don't tell him Pike!

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: GUEST,Bluesman
Date: 29 Oct 11 - 11:16 AM

What is happening to this forum, where are Richard's 26 daily post's ? Yes there is unfinished business, In time Al, all in good time.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 29 Oct 11 - 09:29 AM

Al, I'm with Richard on this one. We are now heading into some very dark times. We *will* come out the other side, hopefully with a new way of life having been born, but this is not the time to turn away and pretend it's not happening...

We are facing things now that we have never faced before, not just politically and financially, but environmentally as well.

IF we choose to turn away at this point in time, then we do so at our own Peril, literally, for that is how bad things now are.

This is no conspiracy theory, and trust me, I wish everything in the garden WERE rosy, but it's far from that.

Yes, we *can* shut down, live in our own little bubble, cut the grass, drink tea and biccis and keep calm and carry on...but there are many out here now who have woken up to what lies ahead..and it ain't good.

The Corporate Bastards are scared witless, even whilst they are, at present, so cushioned from the fall to come...but when the shit REALLY hits the fan, and it will, very shortly, they will have no place to hide...

It's good to let others know what's going on, it's good to get people fuelled up with anger, because Apathy is what has brought us to this point in the first place.....

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 29 Oct 11 - 09:21 AM

Backwoodsman - you said "Brits". I am.

No, Al, I'm not ill - but the country is going to be very sick and the Con-Dems have to be exposed if they are going to be stopped at the next election - since the very first thing they did on assuming office was to try to block attempts to remove them and truncate the Parliamentary term by a vote of no confidence.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 29 Oct 11 - 07:21 AM

Oh look - a plan to finish off council housing for ever - -

http://www.24dash.com/news/housing/2011-10-27-rtb

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 29 Oct 11 - 06:58 AM

"And, incidentally, as an Englishman I find the assertion that it is "Brits who stink up the forum" unmeritorious. Politics is a legitimate field of discussion. The stink comes from the self-interest in government, and from the prejudice of the lunatic right and their campaigns of impersonation. That is not a matter of being English, but of who and what they are."

If you withdrew your cranium from your rectum, stopped preaching, and read what I said properly, you would perhaps realise that it was the likes of Bluesman who stink up the forum that I was referring to, Richard, and that I was in fact defending you.

But as you chose to throw that support back in my face, I heartily invite you to Foxtrot Oscar.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 29 Oct 11 - 06:47 AM

Ask yourself, where is all this going. I personally have no doubt you are correct, but whats all this about. You will make yourself ill if you persist with all this stuff - if you are not ill already.

Sitting at a computer dwelling on all the bad things about our country is very depressing. Its not good for you - take my word, I have a good friend who has turned his life into a miasma of conspiracy theories.

We are of an age when we have to try and capitalise on the few good things about our life. And believe you me, as the years pile up, they get less and less.

Cool it Richard.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 29 Oct 11 - 06:22 AM

Oh, and the milk-snatcher's snout in the trough too: -

thread.cfm?threadid=141127&messages=8

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 29 Oct 11 - 06:02 AM

Perhaps White man would like to tell us which of these crippled elderly people are benefit scroungers.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/oct/28/elderly-social-care-funding-cuts

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 29 Oct 11 - 05:56 AM

Media propaganda against "Occupy London" demos

http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/the-staggers/2011/10/thermal-imaging-empty-tents


Which paper was most into that tissue of falsehood? The Mail.