BS: Nobody likes a Tory

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 17 Oct 11 - 05:29 AM

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Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 17 Oct 11 - 05:15 AM

Downing Street advisers are growing increasingly alarmed that the Prime Minister may be losing his "compassionate" image with key groups of women voters.

The disclosure of the polling results helps explain why Mr Cameron has apparently sought to reach out to women over the past few weeks - apologising for making sexist remarks in Parliament and promoting more women to senior Government positions.

The Conservatives private polling shows that Mr Cameron is being rejected in increasing numbers by women in skilled manual jobs. It found that 25 percent more women than men believe the economy is going in the wrong direction and ten percent more women say that public spending cuts are being made in an unfair way.

Women are also said to be far more concerned about an apparent hidden "motive" behind Conservative plans to reduce government borrowing to cut public spending.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 17 Oct 11 - 05:08 AM

Big firms warn young jobless rate 'to rise further'
www.bbc.co.uk
Record youth unemployment is set to rise even further this autumn, a survey of Britain's biggest companies suggests

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 17 Oct 11 - 04:22 AM

'In his first budget, George Osborne said he wanted to create 800,000 jobs across the country with a national insurance tax holiday for employers taking on new staff. However, figures in the summer showed that in the first year of the scheme only 4,368 posts were created. Last week, unemployment increased by 114,000 to 8.1% of the working population.



'North-south divide widens as public sector cuts hit businesses



www.guardian.co.uk
North-east sees highest rise in companies in distress while London and south-east are comparatively unscathed.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 17 Oct 11 - 04:10 AM

'With new house building at a post-war low – with just 134,000 new homes built in the UK in 2010 according to Government figures – the housing charity Shelter last week said stagnant incomes had forced families with children to cut down on buying food to pay for rocketing rent increases.'

Yes, Richard but Labour's laissez-faire approach to planning (particularly where I live) led to thousands of 'luxury' houses and flats being built - rather than the badly needed social housing that the last two governments of 'free market advocating socialists' should have been building! There's supposed to be a shortage of housing, but a forest of 'For Sale' and 'To Let' signs everywhere I look. Thats because Labour, under Blair and Brown, failed to regulate planning and the market.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Musket
Date: 17 Oct 11 - 03:35 AM

Sorry Bridge, no offence, but you are not saying anything about Tories, you are saying things about Ministers and the working of government. It is seedy, odious and wrong, but it is not a trait of being a Tory, it is a trait of being dazzled by the system and walking blindly or otherwise into the stiffy that power gives you.

Bliar and Broon had Ministers who could fit into your cut and paste posts above, just change the names and portfolios.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 16 Oct 11 - 10:18 PM

There really seems to be a plethora of faultlines going to the heart of this unelected set of rulers - and if White man is right in what he posts, that must be one of the most damning things that could be said about a government - that it proposed to disapply the rule of law.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 16 Oct 11 - 10:11 PM

The figures show that ministers met corporate representatives on 1,537 occasions in the first 10 months of the coalition. This excludes several hundred round-table meetings where numerous companies were present.

Trade bodies, thinktanks and other interest groups had 1,409 meetings. By contrast, charities were met on just 833 occasions, and union representatives just 130 times, less than a tenth as often as their corporate counterparts.

Tamasin Cave, of the lobbying transparency group Spinwatch, said the records of ministerial meetings showed the wide extent of corporate networks of influence, but she also warned they may merely scratch the surface.

"The findings show a massive disparity in ministerial access for different types of groups – corporate interests clearly have privileged access. But these are just the meetings we know about: Conservative ministers in particular are meeting outside interests in a private capacity.

"This just can't be done when ministers are meeting those who have commercial interests. In this context, private simply means secret."

Cave added that her organisation was engaged in a freedom of information battle with Cabinet Office minister Mark Harper, who is overseeing the coalition's plans to introduce a lobbying register. Harper, she alleges, is resisting an FoI request asking for details of his meetings with lobbyists to discuss lobbying transparency.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 16 Oct 11 - 10:04 PM

A former soldier given a key Ministry of Defence job by former Defence Secretary Liam Fox - against the advice of senior military officials - was in his flat the night it was burgled last year.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 16 Oct 11 - 10:02 PM

'With new house building at a post-war low – with just 134,000 new homes built in the UK in 2010 according to Government figures – the housing charity Shelter last week said stagnant incomes had forced families with children to cut down on buying food to pay for rocketing rent increases.'

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 16 Oct 11 - 09:53 PM

A millionaire hedge fund baron who was a key backer of Liam Fox had hosted the new Defence Secretary, Philip Hammond, at a series of lavish fundraising dinners for the Conservative Party.


Mr Hammond, appointed by David Cameron as a "safe pair of hands" to the Ministry of Defence after Mr Fox's resignation, lists Michael Hintze, an Australian-born former Goldman Sachs banker, several times in the MPs' register of interests as a donor – including one for "£1,700 hospitality at Carlton Political Club Dinner" – before and after he became a Cabinet minister.

Mr Hintze, one of the richest men in the UK with an estimated fortune of £550 million, donated more than half the budget for a charity, Atlantic Bridge, set up by Liam Fox

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 16 Oct 11 - 09:48 PM

‎"They [the government] are unable to take on vested interests, they won't tackle the spiralling prices imposed by the energy giants, they won't investigate the mis-selling of energy and they won't help the pensioners whose winter fuel payments have been cut." Caroline Flint

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 16 Oct 11 - 11:09 AM

Let's get one thing straight, Cameron is NOT a fool.

He certainly isn't, but but I'm not sure that applies to the lisping one.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: GUEST,Ex Cllr
Date: 16 Oct 11 - 10:33 AM

Hi Richard, I did enjoy that drink we had at the barbecue last year, look forward to the next time. Mike Gibson

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 16 Oct 11 - 09:37 AM

Let's get one thing straight, Cameron is NOT a fool - if you look closely at his handling of the Fox affair you'll see that. We anti-Tories should never make the mistake of underestimating them.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 16 Oct 11 - 08:00 AM

If anybody can tell me the difference between Cameron and Milliband, I'm all eyes and ears. "Cos be buggered if I know

One is a lisping fool - I wonder which one!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 16 Oct 11 - 07:29 AM

Yes, either Fox is a homophobe or an unscrupulous hypocrite; and, in my opinion, if he's either of those he shouldn't have been holding a ministerial position or any other form of public office. As a voter and taxpayer, who pays their massive salaries, I DEMAND that people in high office have the highest possible standards and are beyond reproach (and don't give me any crap about 'human nature' - that just allows them off the hook).

"Big business deals with all political flavours and all political flavours deal with big business.

"Agree - but, of late, many politicians seem to have forgotten that they are supposed to support the people who elected them and are only concerned with their relationships with Big Business.

"If anybody can tell me the difference between Cameron and Milliband, I'm all eyes and ears. "Cos be buggered if I know."

Buggered if I know either, Ian! I have as much time for Labour as I have for the Tories.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Musket
Date: 16 Oct 11 - 05:47 AM

Hard to separate the wheat from the chaff here.

Fox is and always has been a little shit in my honest opinion. How we can trust cabinet votes to a man who is so openly homophobic yet secretly, well let's not join in the tabloid view of his secret life, has always been beyond me. I heard the other day his wit is so wonderful, his attempts at entering he book of quotes includes "The Spice Girls - Three dogs and a blackbird." When he spoke on health, he was the archtypal bad example of how older (than him) GPs have conveyed corporate arrogance over the years and made it more difficult for younger GPs to put that image behind them.

Yeah, I have no time for Fox and although not proud of myself for saying so, I am enjoying his downfall.

But, and I almost repeat from my first post on this thread. Can you extrpolate that into saying ALL Tories are etc etc, any more than the dodgy solicitor from Doncaster who defrauded hundreds of miners out of their compensation claims is a perfect example of solicitors?

If you can't, then it is a bit rich using him as an example of all that is wrong with a general outlook on life that isn't socialist. I am not a Tory, never likely to be one and disagree with many of their ideals and even most of their more pragmatic policies. But to use a flavour of "business as usual" government as a scape goat for all that is wrong with the country and even the world... doesn't say much for having faith in democracy does it?

The big business multinationals aren't aligned to any political view and if you think they are, I suggest having a closer look and seeing if you still think so. Big business deals with all political flavours and all political flavours deal with big business.

If anybody can tell me the difference between Cameron and Milliband, I'm all eyes and ears. "Cos be buggered if I know.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: BTNG
Date: 16 Oct 11 - 04:58 AM

Hmmmm.....apparently the loafer society problem isn't quite solved yet...come on Tories we're right behind you on this one!

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 16 Oct 11 - 04:57 AM

After the resignation of Liam Fox:

"David Cameron shifted Philip Hammond to take charge at the Ministry of Defence, while Justine Greening replaced him as Transport Secretary. According to the Sunday Telegraph, the reshuffle was so hastily conducted that Mr Cameron contacted his ministers from a train platform surrounded by morris dancers."

Should morris dancers really be associating with such people?

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: GUEST,Bluesman
Date: 16 Oct 11 - 04:49 AM

This government is doing a sterling job concerning the abuse of state benefits. I am pleased to read in the Times, that they will cut off incapacity payments if people challenge the ruling that they are fit to work.

The Welfare Minister, Chris Grayling says, under new proposals, hundreds of thousands of people on incapacity benefits could be cut off from support if they challenge the ruling that they are fit to work.

In April, the government began a reassessment of the 1.6m people claiming sickness benefit, as part of a plan to reduce the annual £7bn incapacity bill.

The new Work Capability Assessment (WCA) has stricter criteria and finds many more people able to work. However, serious concerns have been raised about the reliability of the tests, run by French company Atos. Charities such as Mind, the MS Society, and Parkinson's UK have all raised concerns about a rigidity of questioning that does not take into account the range of problems that might prevent people from working.

Tories will end the "loafer society" in Britain.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 16 Oct 11 - 04:01 AM

Number of health visitors in NHS slashed... despite David Cameron pledging to boost levels
www.mirror.co.uk
DAVID Cameron has broken a promise to boost the numbers of health visitors working in the NHS, with levels now at a record low.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 16 Oct 11 - 01:13 AM

UK economy 'stalled', warns Item Club
www.guardian.co.uk
Ernst & Young Item Club lowers forecasts for UK growth to just 0.9% and warns that Britain is 'stalled at a dangerous junction'.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 16 Oct 11 - 01:07 AM

Just how bent do they have to be before they ALL go?

Liam Fox's Atlantic Bridge linked top Tories and Tea Party activists
www.guardian.co.uk
Officially it was a charity; in fact, Fox's thinktank was a meeting place for the movers and shakers of the right wing

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 16 Oct 11 - 12:56 AM

Oh look. It's a flying pig. Or is it an honest conservative?

Honour the pledge to clean up lobbying, Mr Cameron
www.guardian.co.uk
Observer editorial: Transparency is what the prime minister has previously promised. Now he must deliver

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 15 Oct 11 - 06:55 PM

Occupy Wall Street Protests Spread Around the World
www.nytimes.com
Most events drew modest numbers across Asia — the largest crowd was in Sydney, Australia, where some news reports estimated up to 800 were in attendance.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 15 Oct 11 - 06:51 PM

Bent, bent, and more bent.

Read it. Corruption going to the heart of the cuntservative party.


Fox affair: donors' fury over 'lies'
www.telegraph.co.uk
Liam Fox and his best man Adam Werritty were battling damaging new allegations over their conduct last night.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: BTNG
Date: 15 Oct 11 - 06:51 PM

People like Don(Wyziwyg)T want far far worse, it's the only way they can justify their existence, trouble is they drag everyone else down to their level.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 15 Oct 11 - 06:19 PM

Interesting story in today's (15.10.2011) Independent about Dr Liam "Whoops! I've just shot myself in both feet" Fox:

"When a gay and lesbian society applied for admission to the Glasgow University Union, it's president, Vince Gallagher, announced: "We don't want poufs in our union." The student council passed a resolution condemning this offensive comment, whereupon Mr Fox resigned, and was quoted as saying: "I just don't want gays flaunting in front of me, which is what they would do."
When the Commons voted in 1999 to reduce from 18 to 16 the age at which gay sex is legal, and in 2000 when MPs voted to repeal the notoriously anti-gay Clause 28, Mr Fox was one of the minority who voted against the changes."

I post this without further comment ...

Although can't quite stop myself from celebrating the fact that a right-wing Thatcherite Tory has brought about his own downfall!!!! Aaaahahahaha!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 15 Oct 11 - 04:07 PM

Look! all we have to do is vote tory, pull our socks up, get on our bikes, read the daily Mail.....what's the matter, don't you believe what Don is telling you?

Its all the fault of Tony Bliar, the trade unions, and your darling Harold.....etc.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 15 Oct 11 - 02:01 PM

Nobody likes a Tory
NEW YORK TIMES EDITORIAL
"Austerity was a deliberate ideological choice by Prime Minister David Cameron's ruling coalition of Conservatives and Liberal Democrats, elected 17 months ago. It has failed and can be expected to keep failing. But neither party is yet prepared to acknowledge that reality and change course."

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 15 Oct 11 - 02:00 PM

Tory MEP Roger Helmer quits
www.pinknews.co.uk
Conservative MEP Roger Helmer, who has been accused of homophobia, has resigned. Mr Helmer last year angered gay campaigners with a tweet about 'gay cure' therapy.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 15 Oct 11 - 01:16 PM

""Now perhaps you will learn to see that while recent and current allegedly Labour politicians have flaws, the only realistic alternative is far far worse.""

Or perhaps you will realise (though I very much doubt it) that when you are in shit up to your neck, it is foolish in the extreme to ask for more from those who immersed you.

Or does it have to be up to your bottom lip before you stop wanting more.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Musket
Date: 15 Oct 11 - 10:59 AM

You have a Greyhound?

In that case, Bridge is wrong to stereotype as he does regarding Tories. 'Cos if stereotyping is legitimate, then you and I both having Greyhounds must mean we are similar in other ways and that... oh yes... that..    is a step too far.

Anyway, you can't be liberal with a Greyhound. Their party piece is to lay perfectly still for up twelve hours at a time. If you were liberal, you would have too much time to interfere in community projects, wear sandals and visit council owned projects that celebrate sustainable ecological nonsense.

Oh.. must be just you and me then. Except I don't get wound up about blokes who bowl from the pavilion end in the same way as you do.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: akenaton
Date: 15 Oct 11 - 10:35 AM

Ahem!!!....I walk my greyhounds night and morning, and i would not consider voting Labour or Tory.

Most greyhound men are conservative in every way.
I've never met anyone who knew anything about greyhounds, who would describe themselves as "liberal"

I've never been so insulted in my life!(and thats sayin' sumpthin' on here)

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 15 Oct 11 - 09:21 AM

Thank you for those closing words, Don.

Now perhaps you will learn to see that while recent and current allegedly Labour politicians have flaws, the only realistic alternative is far far worse.

Actually, I am warming to Red, gradually.

And there is no doubt at all in my mind that if the Brown/Darling plan had not been run as it was (or larger) the shit would REALLY have hit the fan and we'd now be seeing unemployment of about 20%.

Be grateful for small mercies.

But eat a conservative a day if yu want to have a doctor next year.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 15 Oct 11 - 08:38 AM

""Don. even if they'd left everyone with a pocketful of fivers (which they didn't) it wouldn't have even started to redress all the things they had buggered up in the infra structure and the manufacturinfg base of the country.""

Al, they left a well stocked treasury, interest at 2.5%, and substantial gold reserves.

They also left a banking system which, in 97, wouldn't hand out mortgages and loans without thoroughly checking the ability of the borrower to pay (in 97, I couldn't borrow £250 to repair my broken down car and in 2006 I was offered £15000 for any purpose by the same bank).

As to manufacturing, that old chestnut has been over roasted. The skids were put under manufacturing by Wilson, Callaghan and the Unions by the mid seventies. By 1979 the whole lot was already disappearing down the hill.

Every Tory government since 1964 has started out with a Labour generated mess to sort out, and by the time it's sorted they are being blamed for it.

The last Labour government to leave the economy in a halfway decent state was the Attlee government, but then Attlee was both a Socialist, and competent. When will that happen again?....because when it does, I'll vote for it.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 15 Oct 11 - 08:22 AM

For those who mistakenly believe that Labour would be doing any better now, a couple of thought provoking comments.

1. Prior to the general election, Labour professed to have an alternative plan which would be better than the Tory proposal. Not long after the election it was revealed that this alternative would have involved taking just one billion less out of the economy than the Tory planned sixteen billion.

Big difference!......NOT!

2. Since the general election, Labour have contented themselves with standing on the sidelines slinging clods of mud, rather than setting out their ideas for a better way.

This because they simply do not have any ideas!

So, no change there then.

As one of those for whom these hardships are greatest, I am still of the opinion that debt can only be removed by facing the hardship and paying it off, and the sooner the better.

Debt always comes with compound interest attached, which increases the debt according to how long it remains uncleared.

The interest on the current debt would, in my opinion, cripple this country for decades, if it were allowed to accumulate for any significant period, and that, I believe would happen were Labour in charge.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 15 Oct 11 - 08:18 AM

Don. even if they'd left everyone with a pocketful of fivers (which they didn't) it wouldn't have even started to redress all the things they had buggered up in the infra structure and the manufacturinfg base of the country.

They were a bloody disaster from day one, and it went on for eighteen years. If you lived in the parts of the country that Ian and i lived in you would have seen it first hand. I don't think either of us were Blair fans, but the Tories were a nightmare of unprecedented proportions. And no one is ever likely to equal their record for bloody minded mismanagement.

If you were daft enough to fall for their rhetric of intransigence - fair enough. Look at Nothern Ireland, eighteen years of bloodbath because she wanted to call the IRA criminals. Quibbling over words as people got killed.

It was same ludicrous pigheadedness that screwed up everything that was possible to be screwed up.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 15 Oct 11 - 07:49 AM

""But to pretend that the economic mess (currently engulfing the western world) is the sole fault of New Labour is damn silly.""

Nobody is saying that the initial banking collapse was the fault of the Labour Government, though they did spend thirteen years encouraging the accumulation of personal debt and the removal of all restraints from those who aggressively marketed that debt.

The extent to which it has crippled this country, however, undeniably was the fault of those who squandered the ample funds which they inherited from the previous TORY government, and compounded the crime by selling our gold reserves, the very thing that backed our currency, at rock bottom price.

You cannot deny that we would have ridden out this trouble with much greater ease had this not happened.

Therefore I do blame them, and only them, for our current problems.

""Plus he's seen Thatch get some easy plaudits for the Falklands - easy for her - not the soldiers and sailors who fought and perished.""

So you believe that there are British Citizens who do not deserve the concern and support from their government which you enjoy as of right?

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 15 Oct 11 - 06:49 AM

Interesting....could Blair have reversed the Thatcher revolution.....should he have tried?

Coming from the right wing of the labour party - he was never going to try, but would it have been a good idea?

I think by then it was a sort of Macbeth situation....'we are so far steep'd in blood etc......'

Certainly Blair was determined he wasn't going to step into the World of Shit that Wilson walked into when he showed only qualified support for Vietnam. Thus all the gung ho stuff. Plus he's seen Thatch get some easy plaudits for the Falklands - easy for her - not the soldiers and sailors who fought and perished.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: s&r
Date: 15 Oct 11 - 06:37 AM

We still pay Fox sixty five thousand pounds a year while he waits for the fuss to die down and his new appointment to be decided


Stu

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Musket
Date: 15 Oct 11 - 06:02 AM

Yeah, but again, is that a Tory or a UK Government idea Al? I'm not convinced that Bliar was any different. He certainly had the opportunity to have a relook at coal and steel whilst in office. Mainly due to the financial demise of Richard Budge and Avesta. Ideal opportunity to offer the industries a chance to perform again, before the skills were completely lost and the government strong enough to set the agenda.

He didn't.

If we start saying that was because he was a Tory, we won't get anywhere in this (possibly) interesting thread. All UK politicians are Tory to a degree because we exist in a market economy. Al UK politicians are socialist to a degree because we have a welfare state.

There is a misguided view amongst the blue rinse brigade and chinless wonders that the object of the exercise is to oppose anything that looks vaguely socialist but there again, there is an equally misguided view amongst my fellow greyhound walkers and pint bearers that you must oppose anything a Tory says. Ask anybody under 25 what the idealogical differences are and you might be surprised by the answer.   If you only have Bliar / Broon to judge socialism by, most younger voters would have a problem thinking one side had a better outlook than the other. Their knowledge of Th*tcher is based on history books.

Hugh Gaitskill used to be in charge of third world countries, (he says, rummaging round for a tangent...)

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 15 Oct 11 - 05:58 AM

Can we do Letwin next? Shall we call that "snake skinning"?

Oh, and Camer-moron has now invited Richard Desmond, the porn baron, to be his house guest at Chequers.

Yoiks, Tally Ho!

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 15 Oct 11 - 04:53 AM

Tories traditionally do well on 'strictly ballroom'. They do well on the balls quotient. Pull your socks up, get on your bike and look for a non existent job, and take cold showers....and you won't notice we've flogged the coal and steel industries to homicidal madmen in charge of third world countries.

Get the picture...?

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Musket
Date: 15 Oct 11 - 04:52 AM

Al, you are preaching to the converted to a degree. As Chair of a commissioning body with a vested interest in the redevelopment of Kings Mill, I voiced many concerns, and even about the new entrance, although that was more to do with Ashfield Council's original allowance for the new road between the roundabout and the lights at the top not having restrictions for public safety reasons and then allowing a new hospital entrance...

Anyway, the rush for PFI and committing the local population to a set of buildings for 25 years that may or may not be relevant for future healthcare delivery models was, for the benefit of Rumpole of the Volvo, a Labour decision, egged on by the then chancellor. Nuff said.

My comments about solicitors was based more on pointing out there are good and bad people in all types of people, grouped by profession, belief, outlook or hair style. Mind you, solicitors and politicians are down there with the estate agents hate figures in any polls. No doubt all professions ask for it. My involvement on health and social care can have me on the back foot, even when putting others on the back foot in the first place. Crazy old world.

I don't think the idea of "nobody likes at Tory" has any debating relevance any more than saying you don't like small people because they are all too assertive. No they're not, and many good people happen to align their outlook on life more with Conservative ideals than Labour.

I am, in most matters, very middle of the road in all this. I do think Labour have a safer agenda for the more vulnerable in society and worthy of a vote for all that. I share concerns that a Conservative overall view can lead to a Devil take the hindmost, but but their business friendly ideals (as opposed to present practice) put us in a catch 22. Labour would look after the more vulnerable and Conservative would create a more sustainable economy in order to look after them in the first place.

You know, I would be far happier with a thread saying "Nobody likes a politician" because regardless of who you vote for, you get the government.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 15 Oct 11 - 01:50 AM

A Conservative. Roughly, the equivalent of your Republican.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: olddude
Date: 14 Oct 11 - 07:28 PM

whats a Tory?

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Oct 11 - 12:41 PM

Gotcha, you bastard!

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: akenaton
Date: 14 Oct 11 - 12:21 PM

Remember Mr Blair?....he never got caught ..yet.

The whole system is corrupt...thats what keeps it on the road.
Why are you all acting so surprised?

You are right Al, we are all corrupt, or would be if we got the chance......Its several centuries of indoctrination wot does it.

We really need somebody to knock the shit out of us and some common sense in.

I suppose thats what holds back change....the fact that we are all Tories when we get right down to it.....hypocrisy....especially "liberal hypocrisy"