BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 28 Feb 12 - 02:25 PM

String,


"We need to put the old hoary bromide about Hussein having nukes to rest. It's false."

The FACTS presented were that Iraq HAD a PROGRAM of WMD and prohibited rocket DEVELOPMENT. THAT is true, NOT the claims pushed by the liberal media that he had nuclear weapons.

To set up a lie as a strawman, and then prove your lie false does NOT give weight to your premise.




"America is the only country outside of Israel and India which possess the most nuclear weapons and if they are there, they will probably be used at some time or other."

Other than Britain, France, Russia, China, Pakistan, and North Korea.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 28 Feb 12 - 02:35 PM

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0762462.html



http://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/Nuclearweaponswhohaswhat


http://www.timeforchange.org/nuclear-energy-and-nuclear-weapons-per-country


Country        # of nuclear weapons

USA               10'300
Russia        16'000
China        410
France      350
UK            200
Israel       100
India         90
Pakistan           85

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 Feb 12 - 10:13 AM

BB: I still have reason to doubt the veracity of your statement.

Bruce doubts for the same reason Iona doubts evolution; because he is a true believer and no amount of factual information will change his mind.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Feb 12 - 10:18 AM

Keep chasing me, Greg F....


You deny that you made a racist lie about me, stating that I had called someone a "Stupid N**ger" and based it on someone else saying that the person who had proposed a bill being discussed was "Black, and a Democrat"?

I know that YOU read "Black and a Democrat" as "Stupid n***ger", but the rest of us do not, nor do we try to use such racist attacks to get away from arguements we have lost, nor do we make up lies about people.


YOU are scum.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Feb 12 - 10:22 AM

Greg F,

You want to discuss my posts, have some facts, and discuss the POST.

When YOU attack me, I will post your racist bigotry until you are know as not fit for conversation.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Feb 12 - 11:46 AM

FACT: In June of 2006 the National Ground Intelligence Center, a Defense Department intelligence unit, released portions of a declassified report which stated unequivocally that "Since 2003, coalition forces have recovered approximately 500 weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent."



FACT: Saddam was planning on restarting his program on every level (nuclear and biological), approximately one year after U.N. sanctions were lifted. This explains why he was actively approaching North Africa for the procurement of yellow cake. This also explains why 550 metric tons of the stuff was removed from Iraq in 2008 courtesy of the United States of America.



"The Iraq Survey Group, ISG, whose intelligence analysts are managed by Charles Duelfer, a former State Department official and deputy chief of the U.N.-led arms-inspection teams, has found "hundreds of cases of activities that were prohibited" under U.N. Security Council resolutions, a senior administration official tells Insight.

"There is a long list of charges made by the U.S. that have been confirmed, but none of this seems to mean anything because the weapons that were unaccounted for by the United Nations remain unaccounted for."

Both Duelfer and his predecessor, David Kay, reported to Congress that the evidence they had found on the ground in Iraq showed Saddam's regime was in "material violation" of U.N. Security Council Resolution 1441, the last of 17 resolutions that promised "serious consequences" if Iraq did not make a complete disclosure of its weapons programs and dismantle them in a verifiable manner.

The United States cited Iraq's refusal to comply with these demands as one justification for going to war.

Both Duelfer and Kay found Iraq had "a clandestine network of laboratories and safe houses with equipment that was suitable to continuing its prohibited chemical- and biological-weapons [BW] programs," the official said. "They found a prison laboratory where we suspect they tested biological weapons on human subjects."

They found equipment for "uranium-enrichment centrifuges" whose only plausible use was as part of a clandestine nuclear-weapons program. In all these cases, "Iraqi scientists had been told before the war not to declare their activities to the U.N. inspectors," the official said.

But while the president's critics and the media might plausibly hide behind ambiguity and a lack of sensational-looking finds for not reporting some discoveries, in the case of Saddam's ballistic-missile programs they have no excuse for their silence.

"Where were the missiles? We found them," another senior administration official told Insight.

"Saddam Hussein's prohibited missile programs are as close to a slam dunk as you will ever find for violating United Nations resolutions," the first official said. Both senior administration officials spoke to Insight on condition that neither their name nor their agency be identified, but their accounts of what the United States has found in Iraq coincided in every major area.

When former weapons inspector Kay reported to Congress in January that the United States had found "no stockpiles" of forbidden weapons in Iraq, his conclusions made front-page news. But when he detailed what the ISG had found in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence last October, few took notice.

Among Kay's revelations, which officials tell Insight have been amplified in subsequent inspections in recent weeks:

A prison laboratory complex that may have been used for human testing of BW agents and "that Iraqi officials working to prepare the U.N. inspections were explicitly ordered not to declare to the U.N." Why was Saddam interested in testing biological-warfare agents on humans if he didn't have a biological-weapons program?
"Reference strains" of a wide variety of biological-weapons agents were found beneath the sink in the home of a prominent Iraqi BW scientist. "We thought it was a big deal," a senior administration official said. "But it has been written off [by the press] as a sort of 'starter set.'"
New research on BW-applicable agents, brucella and Congo-Crimean hemorrhagic fever, and continuing work on ricin and aflatoxin that were not declared to the United Nations.
A line of unmanned aerial vehicles, UAVs, or drones, "not fully declared at an undeclared production facility and an admission that they had tested one of their declared UAVs out to a range of 500 kilometers [311 miles], 350 kilometers [217 miles] beyond the permissible limit."
"Continuing covert capability to manufacture fuel propellant useful only for prohibited Scud-variant missiles, a capability that was maintained at least until the end of 2001 and that cooperating Iraqi scientists have said they were told to conceal from the U.N."
"Plans and advanced design work for new long-range missiles with ranges up to at least 1,000 kilometers [621 miles] — well beyond the 150-kilometer-range limit [93 miles] imposed by the U.N. Missiles of a 1,000-kilometer range would have allowed Iraq to threaten targets throughout the Middle East, including Ankara [Turkey], Cairo [Egypt] and Abu Dhabi [United Arab Emirates]."
In addition, through interviews with Iraqi scientists, seized documents and other evidence, the ISG learned the Iraqi government had made "clandestine attempts between late 1999 and 2002 to obtain from North Korea technology related to 1,300-kilometer-range [807 miles] ballistic missiles — probably the No Dong — 300-kilometer-range [186 miles] antiship cruise missiles and other prohibited military equipment," Kay reported.

In testimony before Congress on March 30, Duelfer, revealed the ISG had found evidence of a "crash program" to construct new plants capable of making chemical- and biological-warfare agents.

The ISG also found a previously undeclared program to build a "high-speed rail gun," a device apparently designed for testing nuclear-weapons materials. That came in addition to 500 tons of natural uranium stockpiled at Iraq's main declared nuclear site south of Baghdad, which International Atomic Energy Agency spokesman Mark Gwozdecky acknowledged to Insight had been intended for "a clandestine nuclear-weapons program."

In taking apart Iraq's clandestine procurement network, Duelfer said his investigators had discovered that "the primary source of illicit financing for this system was oil smuggling conducted through government-to-government protocols negotiated with neighboring countries [and] from kickback payments made on contracts set up through the U.N. oil-for-food program."

What the president's critics and the media widely have portrayed as the most dramatic failure of the U.S. case against Saddam has been the claimed failure to find "stockpiles" of chemical and biological weapons. But in a June 2003 Washington Post op-ed, former chief U.N. weapons inspector Rolf Ekeus called such criticism "a distortion and a trivialization of a major threat to international peace and security."

The October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate on Iraqi Weapons of Mass Destruction concluded that Saddam "probably has stocked at least 100 metric tons [MT] and possibly as much as 500 MT of CW [chemical warfare] agents — much of it added in the last year."

That assessment was based, in part, on conclusions contained in the final report from U.N. weapons inspectors in 1999, which highlighted discrepancies in what the Iraqis reported to the United Nations and the amount of precursor chemicals U.N. arms inspectors could document Iraq had imported but for which it no longer could account."

http://www.wnd.com/2004/04/24352/


I am awaiting that racist scumbag Greg F.'s FACTUAL evidence to support his claims.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Feb 12 - 11:53 AM

US did find Iraq WMD
By DON KAPLAN
Last Updated: 8:57 AM, October 25, 2010
Posted: 12:44 AM, October 25, 2010

There were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq after all.
The massive cache of almost 400,000 Iraq war documents released by the WikiLeaks Web site revealed that small amounts of chemical weapons were found in Iraq and continued to surface for years after the 2003 US invasion, Wired magazine reported.
The documents showed that US troops continued to find chemical weapons and labs for years after the invasion, including remnants of Saddam Hussein's chemical weapons arsenal -- most of which had been destroyed following the Gulf War.
In August 2004, American troops were able to buy containers from locals of what they thought was liquid sulfur mustard, a blister agent, the documents revealed. The chemicals were triple-sealed and taken to a secure site.
Also in 2004, troops discovered a chemical lab in a house in Fallujah during a battle with insurgents. A chemical cache was also found in the city.


Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/us_did_find_iraq_wmd_AYiLgNbw7pDf7AZ3RO9qnM#ixzz1nn4u4tWm

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: Silas
Date: 29 Feb 12 - 12:10 PM

Fact - there is a Lancaster Bomber on the moon.

Fact - Sir Arthur Conan Doyle verified the fact that faries really existed

Fact - Prince Phillip orderd the assasination of Diana Spencer

All have as much credibility as anything coming out of America

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Feb 12 - 03:43 PM

"Fact - there is a Lancaster Bomber on the moon."

Known by personal experience to be false- As Data Manager for Clementine, I saw the RAW data coming down for the complete digital map of the moon, and nothing of that size was seen.



"Fact - Sir Arthur Conan Doyle verified the fact that faries really existed"

Please provide reference information- He may have BELIEVED this, but I have not seen any proof.



"Fact - Prince Phillip orderd the assasination of Diana Spencer"

Could be- I do not know, nor do I care.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 Feb 12 - 05:55 PM

Would a Mud Elf please delete BeardedBruce's several personal attacks on this thread?

Thanks.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 01 Mar 12 - 06:59 AM

When Greg F. comments on my posts, that is fine. When he attacks me. I will continue to point out what a scumbag he is, and why.

GregF,

Try NOT making attacks on people- you might find out that others can disagree with you without having to be a scumbag about it.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 01 Mar 12 - 07:21 AM

As long as Greg F. is allowed to post attacks, I will continue to post the reasons I think hew is scum.

The following is from the thread where he proved just how much a scumbag he is:


"Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Greg F. - PM
Date: 10 Nov 11 - 02:00 PM

BB, comparing the actions of the KKK with the actions of OWS indicates that your 'sense of proportion' seems to be a bit outta whack...

"Bit outta whack", Bobert?? Hardly. It shows that he's a complete and utter frackin' IDIOT to propound somethindg so absurd.

Beardie is also the guy that, in the thread about cash only for second-hand goods, wanted us to know that the sponsor of the bill was a Dumb Ni--er.

Gimmie a break.

....

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Max - PM
Date: 10 Nov 11 - 02:23 PM

Elves don't like to be told what to do, just an FYI, especially by folks that are not logged in. Gets them cranky.

And why would you want it removed? It so clearly shows what he is, so I feel like we should leave it as a warning for the next person that engages him. Truly, though, I would hope it would convince them NOT to engage him.

I just popped in because I its getting around that the klan was being discussed in the Wall Street thread and I just had to see how that connection was made. As a student of thread creep this one intrigued me.

I see now. You know, anything is possible when you inject some idiocy. I'm disappointed because I assumed that 2 out of 3 of you folks here were bigger and better than being drawn in like that.

Carry on, just know that these such flammable topics are aloft and to tread lightly so we don't have so much work to do back here in the shop. It's tiring to clean up all that spilled garbage, and idiots always clog our shop vac.

We have to watch this stupid thread now, thanks.

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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: beardedbruce - PM
Date: 10 Nov 11 - 02:28 PM

Very well, Max. But Gred F has crossed the line, bigtime. This is an outright lie, as can be seen by the thead in question THAT I DID NOT POST TO until today.


If this is the kind of person who encourages supporting OWS, I fail to see why ANYONE should give them any support whatsoever.

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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Greg F. - PM
Date: 10 Nov 11 - 02:31 PM

For Max and Beardie's benefit, from the archives:

Subject: RE: BS: Louisiana Makes It Illegal To Use Cash
From: pdq - PM
Date: 23 Oct 11 - 07:37 PM

Just for the record, the idiot behind this bill is a member of the Louisiana House of Representitives.

He is Black and a Democrat."

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: Greg F.
Date: 01 Mar 12 - 08:21 AM

Try THIS BB, it may help.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 01 Mar 12 - 09:31 AM

http://news.yahoo.com/ap-sources-israel-keep-us-loop-decides-strike-154338082.html


"Rogers told CNN television on Monday: "I got the sense that Israel is incredibly serious about a strike on their nuclear weapons program. It's their calculus that the administration ... is not serious about a real military consequence to Iran moving forward.
"They believe they're going to have to make a decision on their own, given the current posture of the United States," he added."

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: number 6
Date: 01 Mar 12 - 08:26 PM

Here's something of interest from the Jerusalem World News ...

Pentagon: US Air Force has plan for Iran strike

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