BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: Ed T
Date: 14 Feb 12 - 04:23 PM

From Newsweek, via the Daily Beast:

Israel-Iran on Eve of Destruction in a New Six-Day War

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: Ed T
Date: 14 Feb 12 - 04:09 PM

Israel has accused Iran of another "attempted terrorist attack" after an Iranian operative blew his own legs off while trying to flee an accidental explosion at a bomb factory in Bangkok.



Israel accuses Iran of terrorism

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 14 Feb 12 - 08:39 AM

Is anyone else following this side story?

I was unsure if the video was a hoax initially, but it seems that the hacker group Anonymous may be beginning to make good its threat to mount a cyber 'crusade' against Israel.

http://www.haaretz.com/business/hackers-hit-israel-prime-minister-office-website-1.412769

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: Ed T
Date: 14 Feb 12 - 07:53 AM

As this is not already complex:
Iran-Israel-India

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: bobad
Date: 12 Feb 12 - 05:51 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: Paul Burke - PM
Date: 12 Feb 12 - 09:31 AM

If Israel attack Iran (like they did before).....

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Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: Ed T - PM
Date: 12 Feb 12 - 01:37 PM

""If Israel attack Iran (like they did before)""

When was that?

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Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: Paul Burke - PM
Date: 12 Feb 12 - 03:17 PM

They attacked Iraqi nuclear installations in 1981: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Opera

I'd make a link but I can't be arsed for such ignorance.

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A little confused, are we?

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: Ed T
Date: 12 Feb 12 - 05:02 PM

""Iran and Iraq are different countries""

Hopefully all those with big munitions and bad intents know that also.
LOL

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: DougR
Date: 12 Feb 12 - 04:50 PM

I believe, eventually, the Israelis will bomb Iran's nuclear facilities. They probably will give the diplomatic efforts a chance to work, but if they don't, I think it will be a great big BOOM!

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: Paul Burke
Date: 12 Feb 12 - 04:38 PM

Oy! A yank with geography!

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: bobad
Date: 12 Feb 12 - 04:15 PM

Iran and Iraq are different countries.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: Paul Burke
Date: 12 Feb 12 - 03:17 PM

They attacked Iraqi nuclear installations in 1981: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Opera

I'd make a link but I can't be arsed for such ignorance.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: Ed T
Date: 12 Feb 12 - 01:37 PM

""If Israel attack Iran (like they did before)""

When was that?

Some news:

German defense minister on potential Israeli attack

iran rebukes azerbaijan

Seen as worthwhile?

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: Paul Burke
Date: 12 Feb 12 - 09:31 AM

If Israel attack Iran (like they did before) there will be a lot of hand wringing and statements of regret. Then they'll go on handing out the subsidies to Israel as usual.

Now if Iran were to attack Israel....

Remember how the USA and UK shafted the democratic opposition in Iran when they attacked Iraq. You have to admit that the mad mullahs only get stronger each time the Western world intervene.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: bobad
Date: 11 Feb 12 - 10:25 AM

Ahmadinejad to make major nuclear annoucement

Iranian president tells crowds celebrating anniversary of 1979 revolution to expect important statement within days.

Al Jazeera

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 11 Feb 12 - 10:02 AM

Bet it does. Bet they do it way more surgically than we would.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: Ed T
Date: 11 Feb 12 - 09:32 AM

Hamas-Iran

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: Ed T
Date: 08 Feb 12 - 06:44 PM

Sorry, it does not seem to link. I will paste it below It's an Associated press story.


Iarael's president sends message of peace to Iran
Associated Press | Posted: Wednesday, February 8, 2012 1:26 pm
Dan Balilty
FILE - In this Tuesday, Nov. 23, 2010 file photo, Israel's Meir Dagan, at the time Director of Mossad, the Israeli Institute for Intelligence and Special Operations, takes part in a ceremony in Tel Aviv, Israel. Dagan, a former spymaster who has accused Israel's top leaders of barreling toward a rash military strike in Iran said Wednesday, Feb. 8, 2012, that Israel's survival is not at risk, an assessment that puts him sharply at odds with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. (AP Photos/Dan Balilty, File)
Israel's president reached out to the Iranian people with a message of peace Wednesday, as the West tightened sanctions over Iran's nuclear program, and a former Israeli spymaster said Israel is not in mortal danger.
Shimon Peres, an elder statesmen who is a Nobel Peace laureate, appealed to the people of Iran to look beyond the current crisis.
The U.S., Israel and the West believe Iran is trying to produce nuclear weapons. Iran denies that. This week the U.S. cranked up its sanctions on Iran to try to force it to stop its uranium enrichment, but Iran responded with defiance.
Speaking at a ceremony marking the 63rd anniversary of the founding of Israel's parliament, Peres directed his remarks to the people of Iran.
"We were not born enemies and there is no need to live as enemies. Do not allow the flags of hostility to cast a dark shadow over your historic heritage," Peres said. "Your people are a sensitive people that aspire for friendship and peace, and not for conflicts and wars."
Israel and Iran had close relations before the Islamic Revolution in 1979.
Peres spokeswoman Ayelet Frisch said he had fond memories of Iran then.
"Peres is one of the few people in Israel who remember the warm ties between the two countries. He visited a few times before the revolution, he walked the streets of Tehran, ate at restaurants there and had many Iranian friends," she told The Associated Press.
In contrast to his message to the people, Peres denounced the Iranian regime.
"Iran is not only a threat for Israel, it constitutes a real danger to humanity as a whole," Peres said about the Iranian nuclear program. "The present Iranian regime is Imperialism-hungry, aspiring to be the region's supreme ruler," he said.
Peres, 88, fills a mostly ceremonial post as Israel's president. He spoke after U.S. officials expressed concern that Israel might attack Iran's nuclear facilities in the spring. Israel's leaders rank Iran as their greatest threat because of its nuclear and missile development programs, frequent references by its leaders to Israel's destruction and support for violent anti-Israel groups like Hezbollah in Lebanon and Hamas in the West Bank and Gaza.
Earlier Wednesday, Meir Dagan, the former head of the Mossad spy agency said he does not believe Israel faces an existential threat from Iran, a view that contrasts with Israel's prime minister and other leaders.
Since retiring a year ago, Dagan has become a surprisingly vocal critic, repeatedly and publicly accusing Israel's top leaders of irresponsibly pushing for an attack on Iran.
At the launch of an electoral reform movement he chairs, he observed, "I don't think there is an existential threat." He did not specifically mention Iran, but the use of the phrase "existential threat" in Israel generally refers to Iran.
Although Israel says it hopes deepening economic sanctions will pressure Tehran to curb its nuclear ambitions, Israeli leaders haven't ruled out military action, routinely observing that "all options are on the table."
Copyright 2012 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 08 Feb 12 - 05:34 PM

Ed T: the second link is messed up.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: Ed T
Date: 08 Feb 12 - 03:43 PM

Preparing for Iran strike?

message-of-peace

Tensions rise

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 08 Feb 12 - 12:23 PM

Oh, yeah. Forgot about that. Well then, Canada has 621,368 subs. Don't fu#k with us. We got boats muh son, lotsa boats.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: Ed T
Date: 08 Feb 12 - 12:00 PM

""Canada has FIVE subs. They've forgot the one in West Edmonton ""

Is that one from a 60's cerial box, and operates on baking soda?

Who says ships are unsinkable?
Canadian subs is proof that they can exist:)

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 08 Feb 12 - 11:52 AM

Ed T: the Canadian data is messed up. Canada has FIVE subs. They've forgot the one in West Edmonton Mall.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: Ed T
Date: 08 Feb 12 - 11:43 AM

Global firepower

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 08 Feb 12 - 08:59 AM

By Professor Duncan Anderson
The work by American historians has been reinforced by the labours of their Japanese counterparts. The Japanese peace feelers directed at the Soviet Union have been exposed as belated attempts to delay a Soviet entry into the war, not genuine attempts at negotiation. It has also been shown that the Japanese were demanding very much more than a guarantee of the emperor's safety, for example a guarantee of no Allied occupation of Japan, before they would consider serious negotiations.

Also thanks to the work of Japanese historians, we now know much more about Japanese plans in the summer of 1945. Japan had no intention of surrendering. It had husbanded over 8,000 aircraft, many of them Kamikazes, hundreds of explosive-packed suicide boats, and over two million well equipped regular soldiers, backed by a huge citizen's militia. When the Americans landed, the Japanese intended to hit them with everything they had, to impose on them casualties that might break their will. If this did not do it, then the remnants of the army and the militias would fight on as guerrillas, protected by the mountains and by the civilian population.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/worldwars/wwtwo/nuclear_01.shtml

By Historian Robert James Maddox in "The Greatest Hoax In American History: Japan's Alleged Willingness to Surrender During the Final Months of World War II"
A staple of Hiroshima Revisionism has been the contention that the government of Japan was prepared to surrender during the summer of 1945, with the sole proviso that its sacred emperor be retained. President Harry S. Truman and those around him knew this through intercepted Japanese diplomatic messages, the story goes, but refused to extend such an assurance because they wanted the war to continue until atomic bombs became available. The real purpose of using the bombs was not to defeat an already-defeated Japan, but to give the United States a club to use against the Soviet Union. Thus Truman purposely slaughtered hundreds of thousands of Japanese, not to mention untold thousands of other Asians and Allied servicemen who would perish as the war needlessly ground on, primarily to gain diplomatic advantage.


One might think that compelling substantiation would be necessary to support such a monstrous charge, but the revisionists have been unable to provide a single example from Japanese sources.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/hiroshima_hoax_japans_wllingne.html

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 08 Feb 12 - 06:15 AM

Are you sure of that Lox?
Where did you find it please?

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: Lox
Date: 08 Feb 12 - 05:47 AM

""Still worth remembering that the only nation to have used weapons of mass destruction on a civilian population is the US."

And arguably many more lives would have lost if it had not done so - six of one..... "

Not true - the Japanese were about to surrender - the use of the two bombs was to make a statement to Stalin.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 08 Feb 12 - 03:02 AM

Judaism and Islam are at odds

Are they?
Israel fears that possession of nukes will enable Iran to fulfil its threats.
Not Judaism.
Not Islam.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 08 Feb 12 - 02:58 AM

ignited by Christian fundamentalism.

I would certainly challenge that.
Can you justify it please.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Feb 12 - 11:56 AM

There should be a few new internal verses to The Merry Minuet. He never heard of the Kims in N. Korea.

"Shi'ite and Sunni at it again.

Get it?"


Got it....

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 07 Feb 12 - 11:25 AM

The Merry Minuet.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: Stringsinger
Date: 07 Feb 12 - 10:38 AM

If this happens, there will be a world war.

Once again, Judaism and Islam are at odds ignited by Christian fundamentalism.

The Muslim Brotherhood is figuring in Syria and Egypt.

Shi'ite and Sunni at it again.

Get it?

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Feb 12 - 03:10 PM

No - you contantly complain of thread drift when you get out of your depth
Silly.
How could you changing the subject do that?
Care to give an example?
Just one Jim.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: Ed T
Date: 06 Feb 12 - 01:53 PM

""If Iran attacks Israel from the rear, would Greece `elp""

Well, there was the Greco-Persion war, (492-449 BC), (492–449 BC),when Persia (a major force at the time) attacked and battled Greek cities, but that was quite awhile back in BC. Seems like the Greeks (aka Greece) won that one in the end and backed the Persions up.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Feb 12 - 12:48 PM

Brilliant!!!.....What a guy :0)

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: GUEST,Jim Knowledge
Date: 06 Feb 12 - 12:16 PM

I `ad that Jethro, the West Country comedian, in my cab the other day. `e `ad a very serious look on `is face. Just like that Rodin`s, "The Thinker".
I said, "Morning Jethro. A penny for `em. What`s got you all ponderous?"
`e said, "Oh, morning Jim. It`s that "Im-a-dinner-jacket" in Iran. `e`s getting well uppity."
I said, "I don`t think `e`ll get out of `is pram."
`e said, "Jim, what we`ve got to ask ourselves today is, "If Iran attacks Israel from the rear, would Greece `elp""??

Whaddam I Like??

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Feb 12 - 11:15 AM

"No, I just complain when you launch another attack on Israel on threads with no connection."
No - you contantly complain of thread drift when you get out of your depth - as you contantly do, especially with your support of Israeli terrorism.
"You do not need me to open a thread when you want to attack Israel."
Israeli terrorism is a constant topic on this thread - and your support for it is well-known
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: Ed T
Date: 06 Feb 12 - 10:50 AM

Note the date of my last post was 2007.
The meaning is political speculation on what will happen in the future (carried bythe media)at times is just that.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: Ed T
Date: 06 Feb 12 - 10:46 AM

Israel's end is near, Ahmadinejad says

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Feb 12 - 10:07 AM

You were the one who usually hid behind the claim of '
thread drift' when it got out of your comfort zone.
No, I just complain when you launch another attack on Israel on threads with no connection.

You were as free as anybody here to open a thread on Syria
You do not need me to open a thread when you want to attack Israel.
What is the difference Jim?

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Feb 12 - 09:42 AM

God bless Yogi Berra.

In RE: Iraq, Afghanistan and now Iran:

Its deja vu all over again.

"The God-damned Human Race" [as Sam Clamens called 'em) has apparently lost thre ability to learn from mistakes.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 06 Feb 12 - 09:16 AM

The history of it all will be written in ash. Rather than hither and forths about who hit who back first, maybe y'all oughta give a thought to fallout. That should take some folks back to their teens or twenties.

Countries seldom change leaders in time of war, so Obama may just NEED this war to keep his seat as president of a country that has become just another military-industrial complex.

The Syrians have been crazy fucks from day one and they have tight control over their population: secret police with authority from government can sure control things. Iran's leadership over the decades has been uh, well, let me put it this way: they have been as tightly wrapped as three-layer a$$wipe. And before I forget, they too have secret police. Shazpot, so does the US and Israel. Everyone is supporting one police state or other.

The Israelis will fry just as quickly as the Iranians or Syrians. The US will no doubt do as much of it as possible by proxy. What a stupid thing is war.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: bobad
Date: 06 Feb 12 - 08:59 AM

J.L. Granatstein: We Don't Need the UN's Permission

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Feb 12 - 07:29 AM

"Why the difference? "
Youwere the one who usually hid behind the claim of '
thread drift' when it got out of your comfort zone.
You were as free as anybody here to open a thread on Syria and I have no doubt you would have the support of everybody here (assuming you would not be supporting the massacres, or claiming they were not happening, of course) but you didn't, now you are berating the rest of us for not doing what you haven't done.
You are the major supporter of state terrorism on this forum with your blind support for Israel - now you are attempting to veer the discussion away from the nuclear threat posed by two terrorist states - can't you try to be a little more subtle?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Feb 12 - 05:44 AM

It did not have to be on this thread Jim, and you have happily thread drifted many times to criticise Isarel.
Why the difference?

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Feb 12 - 04:11 AM

"They have not raised a single objection to the actions of Syria and its sponsors, Russia and China."
What - and risk the accusation of thread drift!!!
The subject here is Israel and Iran - the appalling behaviour of the Syrian government (and the fact that none of the western powers have taken steps to oppose it - pretty much as the fact that the Lybian rebels were being slaughtered by govenment supporters using British weapons) is not the issue here
The possibility of nuclear conflict comes from Israel and Iran - not from Syria.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Feb 12 - 03:57 AM

Teribus has referred to the non-magical delivery systems available to Iran McGrath.
I wish to comment on the double standards applied to 2 adjoining countries, Israel ans Syria, by certain Mudcat contributors.

The Syrian government forces are bombarding the city of Homs with an indiscriminate reckless abandon never seen in Gaza.
There was an outpouring of outrage against Israel and its sponsor USA.
They have not raised a single objection to the actions of Syria and its sponsors, Russia and China.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 05 Feb 12 - 08:12 AM

Teribus didn't mention the magic flying carpet which would presumably be used as a delivery system.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: Ed T
Date: 05 Feb 12 - 07:39 AM

Will Israel attack Iran? Al Jazeera

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: GUEST,Teribus
Date: 05 Feb 12 - 03:59 AM

The threat of Israeli "nukes"?

They have supposedly had them since 1964 yet have never threatened to use them against anybody? Listening to the rhetoric coming out of the major Arab states at that time (no translational problems regarding exact intent there Kevin) that would have been a good time to threaten the use of nuclear weapons to counter aggression. Again in 1973 seven days into the Yom Kippur War might have been a good time but no threat was ever made.

Basically the Iranians were caught out and exposed by Mossad who leaked details relating to what was going on at Natanz and at Qom.

Iran being part of the "Atoms for Peace" programme was entitled to receive technical and material assistance. Throughout the time Iran was building Natanz and Qom they were negotiating with Russia to purchase fuel rods for their nuclear reactor, via Dr.A.Q.Khan they got designs for nuclear warheads and for uranium enrichment centrifuges, all this information they were passing on to both Libya and to Syria.

Had the covers not been blown on Natanz and Qom, Iran, Libya and Syria would have built something like six low yield tactical nuclear devices, these would have been smuggled into Israel and exploded. No rocket launches, no ramping up of politicial tensions, just six detonations to be blamed on either Hamas or Hezbollah or some other group. Iran the only country apart from Pakistan who might be suspected would with the aid of the IAEA be able to prove that all fissile material obtained from Russia was present and accounted for.

Result Israel "wiped off the face of the map"; "the stain of Israel would have expunged from arab lands".

Unfortunately for Iran the truth about its secret uranium enrichment programme came out just about the time Saddam Hussein in Iraq got the message and Iran reportedly temporarily halted its nuclear weapons programme - Why?? Because having been deiscovered they now had to find a means to deliver it in self defence - so they concentrated on missiles, they have now launched a satellite into space with both statellite and launch vehicle being "homegrown", the demonstration was not lost on the Russians, or the French who are now firmly in range of any Iranian ballistic missile. Very soon so will the USA.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Feb 12 - 11:52 AM

This war is starting to seem inevitable, the same way Iraq did. And it will be even more disastrous. Probably far more so. Especially to Israel,in the long run. Which might not be all that long.

Sleepwalking into Armageddon.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Feb 12 - 10:45 AM

"And arguably many more lives would have lost if it had not done so - six of one..... "
Just as arguably that this was not the case - which begs the question of the morality of mass slaughter of civilians (not to mention the legacy left to following generations still being born with the after-effects). If we haven't learned the obscenity of nuclear weapons by now we relinquish all claims to humanity IMO.
How on earth can anybody "be greatful when/if Israel takes out Iran's nukes".... and claim to be human (unless, of course somebody has invented a bomb which leaves human beings unscathed and just destroys weapons - have I missed something)?
Jim Carroll