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Lyr Req: Canadian Irish Songs

GUEST,Donalldubh 09 Apr 12 - 03:27 PM
GUEST,mg 09 Apr 12 - 03:35 PM
Beer 09 Apr 12 - 05:27 PM
GUEST,donalldubh 09 Apr 12 - 10:47 PM
Howard Kaplan 09 Apr 12 - 10:52 PM
GUEST,mg 10 Apr 12 - 01:13 AM
GUEST,mg 10 Apr 12 - 01:14 AM
GUEST,mg 11 Apr 12 - 04:23 PM
GUEST,Donalldubh 15 Apr 12 - 01:05 PM
Charmion 16 Apr 12 - 11:49 AM
GUEST,donalldubh 16 Apr 12 - 05:07 PM
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Subject: Lyr Req: Canadian Irish Songs
From: GUEST,Donalldubh
Date: 09 Apr 12 - 03:27 PM

Well I'm on here I may as well leap out and ask
Does anyone know of any songs or poems in Irish composed in Canada? I am certain these must have existed, they would not have gone for 200+ years without making some songs, but unfortunately most to all have been lost with the language (and the lack of literacy). One Gael in Canada presaged this when he said "What will happen to our songs and poems when we have lost our language?" Well, unfortunately we found that out the hard way.

I have collected a scant few relating to Canada, and some references to others, but my search has been hindered by the fact that Canada, Britain, and most speakers in the 1700's-1800's didn't think Irish G. was different from Scots G., so they are all lumped together in the archives. That and I'm guessing 99.9% of them would have been discarded with the language.
Anyone have any leads?
le meas
Dónall


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Canadian Irish Songs
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 09 Apr 12 - 03:35 PM

Can not help you but I am convinced that they spoke Irish in parts of Iowa as at least one community was mostly from Dingle area..my ggm spoke Irish till she died..never knew...I knew about the clay pipe though..there was much more Irish being spoken than we are aware of...mg


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Canadian Irish Songs
From: Beer
Date: 09 Apr 12 - 05:27 PM

I beleive this is Canadian.

The Fields of Saskatchewan (Tip Splinter)
Adrien


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Canadian Irish Songs
From: GUEST,donalldubh
Date: 09 Apr 12 - 10:47 PM

Beer - Lovely song, but not in Irish unfortunately
mg - O know that a great many of the Blasket Islanders and people from the area all settled over in America on the East coast somewheres (Maine?) It would be interesting to see how many passed along the Irish.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Canadian Irish Songs
From: Howard Kaplan
Date: 09 Apr 12 - 10:52 PM

Many of the Irish in what is now Canada settled in Newfoundland before it was part of Canada. There is an RTE audio-only documentary about the subject. There's also a web page called Newfoundland: The Most Irish Place Outside of Ireland.

Kenneth Peacock's "Songs of the Newfoundland Outports" includes some songs in Gaelic, but I don't know whether they're Scots or Irish, not whether any were composed there.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Canadian Irish Songs
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 10 Apr 12 - 01:13 AM

From what I understand, which I don't think is complete information, most of the Irish in Newfoundland were from Wexford and Waterford and were brought over by fish merchants before the famine. Supposedly very few famine Irish..but I suspect more than they think...and of course in more recent history lots of immigration from Ireland...

The Blasket Islanders I think tended to go to Chicopee and Springfield MA..I think that is where the last of them settled..lots of people from Dingle went there. But there was a cluster that seemed to travel and work together from Dingle to Niagra area and then worked on canals and ended up in NE Iowa...these little patterns are very interesting because the next town or so over they were from County Monaghan..these are very well documented..I am doing a very superficial genealogy study of the Dingle to Iowa group..have over 300 families..maybe just one entry where they were naturalized or got married and kept moving on..from Iowa many of next generation worked on railroads and moved on to Montana, Dakotas, and on to Washington..Seattle, Spokane, Tacoma. Also Dingle people often ended up in mines of Montana.

Anyway, there is this big study going on in ireland now to trace where people from particular places tended to settle, as they often did go in groups and also sent for family members and relatives..a geographer would have a great time with this. mg


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Canadian Irish Songs
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 10 Apr 12 - 01:14 AM

There is a woman in the Vancouver Folk Song Society who is very knowledgeable about Irish singing..Jon Bartlett could probably put you in touch with her. mg


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Canadian Irish Songs
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 11 Apr 12 - 04:23 PM

Just found this from the MUN..

http://www.inp.ie/?q=node/40

Some immigration history.

Also read a book from Timberland library about Monaghan to PEI..likewise some from Monaghan to Eden, Iowa I know of.

There are lots of patterns that will emerge and genealogy will be much easier once probable destinations are found...of course in the famine they took whatever boat they could get on...mg


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Canadian Irish Songs
From: GUEST,Donalldubh
Date: 15 Apr 12 - 01:05 PM

Thanks all, while I'm not uncovering any new songs in Irish, I am very appreciative for the links and info, all of which is very interesting and useful!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Canadian Irish Songs
From: Charmion
Date: 16 Apr 12 - 11:49 AM

If your interest is more than a passing fancy, you might get good results by contacting the Chair of Celtic Studies at the University of Ottawa.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Canadian Irish Songs
From: GUEST,donalldubh
Date: 16 Apr 12 - 05:07 PM

Thanks Charmion
I actually know most of the people at UofO and UofT. Next on my list is Memorial in NFLD.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Canadian Irish Songs
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 16 Apr 12 - 06:17 PM

I suspect that most of the likely songwriters might have been in New Brunswick..lots and lots of Irish brought there in famine. I suspect they might have worked in the lumber camps..don't know...many made their way by foot if necessary I have read to US though...mg


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