BS: Police Brutality

Subject: BS: Police Brutality
From: Owen Woodson
Date: 12 May 12 - 07:57 AM

If you believe that police brutality in Brtain is amyth or a thing of the past, take a look at this .

Subject: RE: BS: Police Brutality
From: Rapparee
Date: 12 May 12 - 08:24 AM

If you tink police brutality ANYWHERE is a myth or a thing of the past you're not dwelling in reality.

Subject: RE: BS: Police Brutality
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 12 May 12 - 08:26 AM

I'd give the cops the benefit of the doubt. Shit job, they have to do. Quite difficult to know how to proceed. So easy to tell another man how to do a difficult job.

what was actually wrong with the bloke?

Subject: RE: BS: Police Brutality
From: Stu
Date: 12 May 12 - 08:48 AM

They do what they want. Kill people and get away with it, kettle people, deny them basic human rights like water or a piss, beat them up etc and there's not a damn thing you can do about it. Call one a twat however, and he'll have you up before the beak before you know what's happening. They are a paramilitary organisation there to enforce the will of the ruling elite

Corruption, racism etc etc. Right up the arse of Murdoch et al. Here's the thing: they have the power over us, we can't do anything about it. Our word against theirs - they will win. So I try to avoid having as little to do with them as possible. When I've needed help as a victim of crime they've been anything from rude-disinterested-going through the motions. Of course there are good coppers I don't doubt, but they aren't in charge. I've found them intimidating, threatening and demanding of a respect that needs to be earned, not given because of a badge.

They need to understand they are supposed to be serving the whole of society, and treat people accordingly.

Subject: RE: BS: Police Brutality
From: Megan L
Date: 12 May 12 - 08:54 AM

Why must we throw blankets over groups of people:

If hes a priest he must be a peadophile
If hes a policeman he must be brutal
If hes a banker he must be corupt
If hes a muslim he must be a terrorist

NO NO NO If there is a bad apple in the barrel blame the bad apple and weed it out dont say all apples are bad.

It is the blanket mentality that allows genocides and general cruelty to happen

Subject: RE: BS: Police Brutality
From: Leadfingers
Date: 12 May 12 - 09:02 AM

Well Said Megan

Subject: RE: BS: Police Brutality
From: GUEST,Ian Mather sans cookie
Date: 12 May 12 - 09:54 AM

Yo Megan!

Subject: RE: BS: Police Brutality
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 12 May 12 - 10:16 AM

Good thinking Megan.

Subject: RE: BS: Police Brutality
From: GUEST,999
Date: 12 May 12 - 10:58 AM

That video is not new. It is in fact years old. Doesn't diminish its impact, however.

Has anyone done a search to see what happened to the police officers involved?

Subject: RE: BS: Police Brutality
From: GUEST,999
Date: 12 May 12 - 11:14 AM

My mistake. The case is a little over a year old. My apologies.

The Daily Mail carried the story yesterday. The officers have been fined, and further stuff is likely to happen to them for their behaviour in this incident. The Crown Prosecution Service is into it now. fyi

Subject: RE: BS: Police Brutality
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 May 12 - 11:17 AM

"Why must we throw blankets over groups of people:"
Because these particular ones have rights which the rest of us don't, in our society - to arrest and detain on suspicion, to enter our homes, to search us on spec... and to investigate themselves when we complain.
At the time of the Lawrence killing an independant enquiry found the police to be "insitutionally racist" - back in the good old days when when "police called women slags and black people wogs" (a recent quote) - the result being that five known killers escaped justice.
One of the horrifying things about the clip (now mysteriously unavailable!!) is that in a presumably working police station, nobody is taking the slightest notice of the screams - everyday occurence maybe (the sarge must be dealing with a customer; bit of a lad that sarge!!!
"If he's a priest he must be a peadophile"
Clerical abuse, sexual and violent assault, now claimed to have been going on for at least a century, was facilitated by an, at best, indifferent and now shown to have been a fully involved church heirarchy, in covering up these apalling crimes and allowing the perps to escape and go on abusing, making leading church members as far up as the Vatican accomplices in child rape. It is not only the abusive priests that were to blame, but the church as a whole that was found to be wanting and it is apallingly dismissive to pass this off as "bad apples".
The same applies to the bankers who have brought the world to its financial knees with their corporate greed.
In all these cases, it is the institutions that allow these things to happen that need repairing.
Take your point about the tiny handful of abusive Muslims though.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Police Brutality
From: Stringsinger
Date: 12 May 12 - 11:55 AM

The problem is that policing is not being separated from military behavior.
Policing focuses on the criminal, wars inflict damage on the innocent as well as the perpetrators.

Bloomberg doesn't understand this very well.

The Occupy Movement does.

Subject: RE: BS: Police Brutality
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 12 May 12 - 01:47 PM

I dealt with dozens of prisoners while visiting, and while I have no experience of the Met, many of the other Forces around the country were said by the inmates to be 'pussy cats' and more daft than cruel. I knew very well the Norfolk Police in all their glory, and they were in my view, far too tolerant and kind! One inmate in particular had so many encounters with them he was like an adopted son. When he arrived in their Custody Suite, they put the kettle on for him and gave him a few cigarettes. This did nothing to discourage him from a life dedicated to burglary, and he was sometimes violent towards the officers, but they were absolutley avuncular with him, the little horror. He spat and bit (he had Hep B) but they never raised a hand to him. I admired them very much.

Subject: RE: BS: Police Brutality
From: gnu
Date: 12 May 12 - 01:57 PM

The vid won't load for me but I am with Megan in any case.

Subject: RE: BS: Police Brutality
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 May 12 - 02:16 PM

'pussy cats'
You have a filmed example of pussy-cats; a thuggish desk sergeant assaulting an obviously incapacitated prisoner while a station full of (presumably equally thuggish) collegues stand by and let it happen.
We all have our stories.
I had a friend who moved from being a village bobby up North to join the Met - he gave it up and became a social worker when he was introduced to the Saturday night 'entertainment' of rounding up (mainly homeless) drunks, putting them in a cell and slapping them round, then dousing them with cold water before letting them go.
When we were working with Travellers we regularly witnessed spot searches of the caravans - the 'dawn raids' were a little to early for us to have seen them, but we did on a number of occasions see the wreckage left behind.
The 14 year old son of one family we knew was 'arrested' in London on suspicion' of having taken part in a burglary, driven to Birmingham to be identified and released without charge and left to make his way back to his family.
Now where did I put that saucer of milk??
If the police are to be trusted with the rights society has given them their behaviour has to be impeccable, otherwise they are no better than the criminals they are supposed to protect us from.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Police Brutality
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 12 May 12 - 02:19 PM

It was an obviously brutal armhold put on a person not in any way resisting and for no obvious reason. I would have expected it to have broken the arm or dislocated a joint.

Subject: RE: BS: Police Brutality
From: BrendanB
Date: 12 May 12 - 02:30 PM

This video was the centre of the main news story in the North East regional news last night, the perpetrators were also filmed leaving court having been fined. They are employed by Durham Constabulary. In spite of the case going to court and the guilty verdict, thay have not even been suspended, let alone sacked. they may be a couple of bad apples but it appears that Durham Police see little wrong with their actions. I agree with Megan in principle but this seems to be an organisational rather than an individual problem.

Subject: RE: BS: Police Brutality
From: Leadfingers
Date: 12 May 12 - 03:05 PM

I was once tailgated late at night (FULL headlights too)- by a young policeman showing off to a police woman him in the car . He apparently wanted me to exceed the speed limit , so he coukd book me

This has NOT resulted in me calling ALL police drivers Bloody Fools , though that is obviously what that one was , especially as he entered private property without asking permission , and trying to browbeat me .

Subject: RE: BS: Police Brutality
From: Owen Woodson
Date: 12 May 12 - 03:38 PM

Al, come off it. Benefit of the doubt? The assault took place in full view of the CCTV cameras and was carried out on a suspect who complained of being seriously ill, and looked it. All the guy had done was to ask for a chair for God's sake.

I don't know what he did to be arrested, but I do know there are rules and procedures, and these are in no way negated by the fact that he was under arrest. What's more, these officers are sworn to uphold the law and yet they nearly wrenched the poor bloke's arm off.

On top of that, I was left with the feeling that the officers in the clip regarded this brutal treatment as a normal operational way of treating their suspects. Note the matter of fact tone when the interview re-started.

Megan. I agree. I refuse point blank to condemn every single police officer on the grounds of incidents such as this. But if you were a decent honest copper who habitually made a point of abiding by the rule book and treating suspects fairly, would you seriously want to work with this sort of scum?

And that's before we even begin to consider the 333 people who died in police custody in the first decade of this country, without a single charge being brought against a single police officer.

Subject: RE: BS: Police Brutality
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 12 May 12 - 04:04 PM

I take on board the views expressed here. I find the video appalling. But as I have no personal experience of the Police except that related to me by many prisoners, I have to reserve judgment. I didn't say the Police were 'pussy cats', I said this was an epithet given them by prisoners while under arrest and in their custody. I was merely reporting views expressed to me by them (for what they are worth) to show that there are apparently many good and benevolent officers around. To put a counter view, (which does not exonerate inhumane treatment by any means) the Police, for example in Norwich, put up with dreadful situations and behaviour such as kicking, biting, spitting, sudden drawing of knives, abuse of every sort, throwing of excrement, and have to enter houses where the entire family (and neighbours) scream abuse, punch and kick. They search people and risk getting pricked by contaminated needles, they get bitten by savage dogs etc etc etc. Their job is a nightmare. But of course I don't condone brutality, it's indefensible.

Subject: RE: BS: Police Brutality
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 May 12 - 05:21 PM

"Their job is a nightmare. "
Quite often because they choose to make it so - I still have a vivid picure of them waving their pay packets at striking miners who had been out of work for many months - not for a pay rise, but to defend their jobs from Countess Thatcherella's axe.
- not to mention this particular hero:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/southyorkshire/content/articles/2009/03/02/lesley_boulton_orgreave_photo_feature.shtml
One more tale.
In the early 80s a group of Travellers, protesting at the fact that most of the London borough's were ignoring their legal obligation to provide sites, moved onto Mitcham Common in SW London.
I was working with a man at the time who (after several pints) boasted that his brother in law (who lived adjacent to the Common) was planning, with a few neighbours, to firebomb the site (2 caravans, both containing large families).
I reported the matter to our local police, but knowing their reputation as far as Travellers were concerned, I also contacted a Gypsy Council member and told him what was planned.
The Gypsy Council members mounted a protective guard on the Common but, as I expected, the police did nothing about the planned attack (which was called off shortly afterwards anyway, possibly because I had made it known to the would-be arsonist that they were sussed by both the Travellers and the police).
Three weeks later I recieved a visit from our local boys in blue who wanted to know why we had been associating with "Gyppos".
Apparently my knowing these people was more important than protecting the men, women and children on the Common.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Police Brutality
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 12 May 12 - 05:26 PM

well the officers had the privilege of arresting this geezer. they could presumably make an assessment of whether he was ill/devoid of faculties or merely buggering them about and being uncooperative. Something which you can't. And have you ever done the job?

probably on a busy night with the phone jumping off the wall with complaints from the public being inconvenienced by other people suffering from the results of the nation's favourite drug of choice.

anyway - say what you want about the armlock - it seemed to concentrate his attention.

Subject: RE: BS: Police Brutality
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 12 May 12 - 05:46 PM

""an obviously incapacitated prisoner""

Possibly incapacitated Jim. Please don't insult our intelligence by telling us you are the only person in the Western World who has never seen or heard of a prisoner resisting by refusing to stand.

An equally possible explanation, but that wouldn't suit your anti-authority agenda, so you ignore it.

Until you can present a semblance of balanced thought and speech you would be well advised to keep that mouth closed.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Police Brutality
From: gnu
Date: 12 May 12 - 05:48 PM

So, can we say, it all comes down to Megan's post? Each case tried on it's own merits.

And, can we stop taking snippets of videos out of context? (Please read my first post.) People who weren't there MAY not know the whole story.

My view is this... police are human and they don't want to face physical harm but they are willing to do so to protect the public from criminals and violence. That is WHY we have police. If SOME police abuse their power, take em out. But, as Megan said, don't take em all out... who will protect the public?

I can't see how anyone can argue against that.

Subject: RE: BS: Police Brutality
From: Jack Campin
Date: 12 May 12 - 06:39 PM

Meanwhile in Georgia, USA:

http://snipr.com/23hgf3w

Get that? The force in question says kicking pregnant women in the stomach is within their guidelines.

Subject: RE: BS: Police Brutality
From: gnu
Date: 12 May 12 - 07:44 PM

Yeah, I got it. He will be punished, I assume. That doesn't mean all police are bad apples. That's Megan's point. A part of my point is, we don't know exactly what happened in any particular case. That's why we have a judicial system and not mob rule. Hanging parties are, hopefully, a thing of the past.

In any case, this thread is on a spiral to... gnightgnu.

Subject: RE: BS: Police Brutality
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 12 May 12 - 08:00 PM

Personally, I'd give them a medal for doing a job I wouldn't touch with a barge pole.

I really don't get it. You guys - you all sleep sound in your beds because you know these guys protect your homes and property.

Its a shit job. Like rat catching - but someone's got to do it. They obviously are constantly in contact with the kind of people that the rest of us cross the road to avoid.

Show a bit of gratitude for godsake.

Subject: RE: BS: Police Brutality
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 May 12 - 03:28 AM

"it seemed to concentrate his attention."
Yeah sure - I wonder how many times that one has been used throughout history - along with "he accidently fell down stairs!!"
"Show a bit of gratitude for godsake."
These people - don't know how many of them there are - are a disgrace to their uniform and they shame those of their collegues who don't behave the way they do.
I saw some of the behaviour up close and ugly and was subject to it myself a couple of times because of the people we chose to work with.
Perhaps you might ask Stephen Lawrence's parents to "Show a bit of gratitude"(or was the Macpherson report, which found them, as an organisation, "institutionally racist" a work of fiction) a situation which hasn't changed radically over the last 20 years.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jan/06/stephen-lawrence-verdict-police-racism
Please don't insult our intelligence, as the man just said.
"An equally possible explanation"
There is no explanation for twisting a man's arm up his back until he screams in agony; nor is there one for a station full of police ignoring those screams (real or feigned) - transfer the situation to a school or a hospital - or any workplace, and tell us that nobody would take notice there.
I understand that the enquiry into the incident found those concerned guilty (and administered a slap on the wrist in the shape of £100 in compenstion to the victim, who intends to pursue a claim for back injury) - "Their attack was condemned as a form of torture by the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC)".
Was that a work of fiction too?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Police Brutality
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 13 May 12 - 05:31 AM

Racism and all kinds of predjudice is always with us. And of course its not to be tolerated.

But aren't you being predjudiced.

After all we are only seeing the closing chapter of a story which can only have started with one of the below

1) someone using threatening and abusive behaviour
2) someone assulting someone else
3) destroying someone else's property
4) getting behind the wheel of a car and lilling , injuring, and endangering other people

You do that stuff, you deserve a bad back!

Policemen and their families go through watching their men and womenfolk go out every night knowing they willl be abused, spat at, threatened with knives and bottles (by gentlemen and ladies like theone in the film) possibbly shot at, possibly killed.

A couple of policeladies did a little talk at one of the schools I was doing supply at. I was horrified by what was the condition of their service. they had two unforms - one hangingh in the shed - the onethey used when shepherding afootball crowd - always soaked in spit. then off to the cleaners.

They constantly had to be changing their phone numbers. People harassed and attacked their dogs and their children - just matters of course.

Rather like teaching - I wouldn't give a moments consideration to any committee - who had never done the job at the sharp end and said they knew what they were talking about.

Subject: RE: BS: Police Brutality
From: Owen Woodson
Date: 13 May 12 - 06:13 AM

Al, this really is not on. I've no idea who the guy was or what his behaviour was prior to the arm twisting, or even why he was arrested. What I do know is that these matters are irrelevant to the present issue. The police are trained, and paid, to apply professional standards under all circumstances and to uphold the law. They are not paid or trained to illegally virtually wrench a suspect's arm off. And in case you had forgotten, all the guy did was ask for a chair.

What's more, over and above the offence he was arrested for, if his behaviour during arrest and detention consituted further breaches of the law, then thoe further breaches should have been dealt with as part of due process. This was an act of blatant brutality, nothing more and nothing less.

I've never been to a football match in my life, but I'm well aware that spitting at someone is an offence. I have though been on a great many demonstrations in my life. I have never seen anyone spit at a police officer, but I can tell you now that anyone so doing would be arrested on the spot and charged with assault.

Subject: RE: BS: Police Brutality
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 May 12 - 06:31 AM

"But aren't you being predjudiced."
And aren't you being somewhat blinkered about all this.
Wot Owen just said - none of what you have cited has the slightest to do with the matter in hand, a station sergeant torturing a suspect THERE FOR THE WORLD TO SEE AND ACCEPTED BY THE (presumably) IN-HOUSE ENQUIRY INTO THE AFFAIR (or did they fit their buddies up - which opens up a whole new can of worms).
Teachers have a hard job in today's education system - sometimes just as difficult as that of the police - would that justify one of them kicking the shit out of an unruly pupil?
Can't help but notice that the apologists here have carefully skated around all the other cases of police behaviour presented here.
How far does one of these thugs have to go to draw even a "tut-tut" out of you fellers?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Police Brutality
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 13 May 12 - 06:43 AM

""How far does one of these thugs have to go to draw even a "tut-tut" out of you fellers?""

Just because we don't all shriek our hatred of all authority (and specifically any British law enforcement or military) from the rooftops, don't assume that we don't find abuse totally unacceptable and want abusers removed from their posts.

It's more the case that we can't make ourselves heard over the police bashing rants which have become your trademark.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Police Brutality
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 May 12 - 07:11 AM

"Just because we don't all shriek our hatred of all authority"
Nobody does they - but there are signs of kneejerk (sometimes to the point of hysteria) from some here whenever the establishment is challenged in any way - my "know-it-all friend"
Police - bashing rants - I suppose I'm wasing my time again to ask for examples!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Police Brutality
From: Owen Woodson
Date: 13 May 12 - 07:14 AM

Nobody that I'm aware of is indulging in police bashing rants on this thread. As I've said once already, I, and I presume most other contributors to this thread, am not looking to tar the entire police force with the one brush.

I am though extremely concerned at the behaviour of two members of the police in this instance and any others like it.

Subject: RE: BS: Police Brutality
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 13 May 12 - 07:48 AM

Well I'm not. What do you think police work is.....Inspector Morse doing crosswords, Sherlock and his magnifying glass?

The scene is similar to any you could see in any police station from Beijing to Bognor - every saturday night.

The guy has indulged in bad, possibly dangerous behaviour. perhaps he has even uttered racist comments. not just the copsthat do that, you know.

The phone calls are lining up - the switchboard is jammed with members of the public whining that the police are doing nothing about this idiots mates -who are doing the same stuff a hundred yards further down the road. And now this guy is dragging the process out by dicking about, and stopping them getting on with their work.

Meanwhile th rapes, domestics, murders, robberies goes on - and as luck would have it there are no members of the dogooder commission there to sort any of it out. It comes down to the much maligned copper.

Worth noting that the Yorkshire Ripper was only detained against the objections of his last intended victim - who was moaning about police brutality.

Subject: RE: BS: Police Brutality
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 May 12 - 11:21 AM

Anything that anyone can say about this subject, positive or negative, is absolutely true in some circumstances...while not true in others.

So you're all right...part of the time. And you're all "wrong"...if you simply insist on objecting to what another one is focusing on, because it isn't what you want to focus on.

And you're wasting your time fighting over it.

And alienating each other.

And probably putting yourselves in a pretty bad mood by doing so.

What will this gain you?

I think that's all I really need to say on this thread. I could say it about any number of other contentious threads here. It's one great big waste of your time, folks. In a month you'll have forgotten about it, and you'll be bickering about something else, I expect. It could be called the "arguing addiction". Maybe someone should start a new 12-step program (AAA) to help people get over it.

Bye bye.

Subject: RE: BS: Police Brutality
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 13 May 12 - 12:46 PM

Actually the police do a jolly fine job considering all the limitations placed upon them by politically correct idiots.

Subject: RE: BS: Police Brutality
From: Owen Woodson
Date: 13 May 12 - 12:49 PM

This is magic. So the desk sergeant is having a bad night and he's feeling overrun, and that gives him the right to twist some poor buggar's arm off? I must remember that the next time I'm having a bad day, or night.

"The guy has indulged in bad, possibly dangerous behaviour. perhaps he has even uttered racist comments........."

I don't know how many times I have to say this. What the guy has or hasn't done has no bearing on the way he was treated. The appropriate punishment for bad behaviour, racist comments or whatever is up to the courts to decide. Have you never heard of the phrase "Innocent until proven guilty"?. Or would you prefer to live in the sort of banana republic where such behaviour by the forces of law and order is considered acceptable?

BTW. His arm wasn't twisted up his back because of what he had done outside. It was twisted up his back because the guy didn't feel well, and refused to co-operate until he was given a chair. What the hell was wrong with giving him a chair, for God's sake.

Subject: RE: BS: Police Brutality
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 13 May 12 - 03:44 PM

The arm at no time becomes detached from his body.....

Subject: RE: BS: Police Brutality
From: BrendanB
Date: 13 May 12 - 05:32 PM

Well done Mr Whittle, you have moved from the fatuous to the puerile in a single bound. You appear to be unable to recognise that not only might a policeman break the law but that the police service might wrongly condone such behaviour. I have had reason to be grateful to the police in the past but that does not require me to believe that they can do whatever they like because they have got such a tough job, anymore than a doctor should be allowed to get away with negligence. Everyone who works for the police does so voluntarily, if the job was so awful the rate of resignations would be extremely high - my understanding is that that is not the case. Most of the policemen and women that I met in the course of my career and my work with Victim Support loved their job. I can see no evidence of police bashing on this thread - but I can see you have your head firmly in the sand.

Subject: RE: BS: Police Brutality
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 13 May 12 - 09:41 PM

Its called dedication. A belief that you can make a difference by doing an important job. Not perfectly, but as well as you can manage to do it.

Its that sort of puerile idealism that keeps the boat of scociety afloat - despite eejits like yourself facilitating and excusing the deranged loonies kicking holes in the hull of our fragile craft.

Subject: RE: BS: Police Brutality
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 May 12 - 01:27 AM

I watched the video and saw and heard absolutely nothing to justify the vicious armlock. From the very start, the police attitude was overbearing and inapproprIate - iT started "WHO TOLD YOU YOU COULD SIT DOWN".

Subject: RE: BS: Police Brutality
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 14 May 12 - 04:25 AM

Yes, but you weren't there. Richard. Neither was I. These guys do this stuff for a living and they have to know when they are being buggered about, and you can bet your life - they know what that can develop into. They're probably in a better place to judge than you and me. Work in these situations and you get a certain expertise at sussing people out.

Me and you, we'd have given him a chair let him pretend to be unconscious and get buggered about from arseholes to breakfast time.

Subject: RE: BS: Police Brutality
From: BrendanB
Date: 14 May 12 - 05:40 AM

I would never describe idealism as puerile. I have no doubt that many police officers have a selfless desire to serve their communities. My problem with the position taken by Mr Whittle is that he appears to believe that anyone taken into a police station should give up all claim to any human rights.
The role of the police is to protect our civilised society, to suggest that in pursuing that end they should behave in an uncivilised way seems bizarre.
As an aside, calling posters who disagree with you eejit and the like simply calls into question your ability to debate in an adult (i.e. non puerile) manner.

Subject: RE: BS: Police Brutality
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 14 May 12 - 05:42 AM

When you consider the uncivilised scum the police are required to deal with from time to time!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Police Brutality
From: Stu
Date: 14 May 12 - 06:10 AM

"When you consider the uncivilised scum the police are required to deal with from time to time!!!"

Good point, but dealing with thieving and corrupt politicians, amoral journalists and members of the Met was something they signed up for when they took the job.

Subject: RE: BS: Police Brutality
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 14 May 12 - 07:35 AM

Please ...Alan, or Al...Mr Whittle sounds like I work in a bank.

I don't think you should lose any rights when you go into a police station. I think the cops in that video had a very clear idea of what they were dealing with. I'm not sure that you do.

Subject: RE: BS: Police Brutality
From: BrendanB
Date: 14 May 12 - 08:30 AM

"when you consider the uncivilised scum the police have to deal with from time to time"

Yes, and surely the point is that no one should allow themselves to be dragged down to the level of those scum by behaving in the same way as they do. I want to believe that our police are better than that. As I said in an earlier post my experience with Victim Support led me into contact with a lot of police officers and, although I would not wish to claim to speak for them, My guess is that most of them would condemn this behaviour. Police are trained to deal with recalcitrant and violent people, what we saw on the video was just lazy and let down the police service as whole. This was acknowledged by a spokesman from Durham Constabulary last Friday. I am simply agreeing with that senior policeman, who I suspect knows better than you or I Al.

Subject: RE: BS: Police Brutality
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 14 May 12 - 08:56 AM

Then I hope that the officers responsible were disciplined as appropriate.

Subject: RE: BS: Police Brutality
From: Owen Woodson
Date: 14 May 12 - 10:25 AM

According to the news media they weren't. Fined and ordered to pay compensation and that was it. They should have ben thrown off the force and they weren't.