BS: President Romney (prediction only)

Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: GUEST,999
Date: 24 Jun 12 - 01:27 PM

Drones are not new. Whoever one's enemy is will procure the technology and return the favour. I don't know who would target a 71 year old folkie, but then I don't know who would bomb a bus full of kids, either. Terrorism is called that because it makes little sense and provides an enemy who does not want to negotiate. The US is once again being the 'cops of the world' and other than themselves just who was consulted?

The use of drones requires law, and I don't mean the law of the jungle. The things have no regulation with regard to use within the USA. That's their business, but their incursion into other countries is an act of war. But since no war was declared, they're good for assassination. I may have a degree of 'trust' for Obama, but imagine those things in the hands of Republicans? They're in the safer of two hands now. Later . . .

Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 24 Jun 12 - 02:22 PM

999. I am confused as to where Bobert advocated total war. IMHO Iraq wasn't "total war." WWII between US and Japan and Russia and Germany came closest.

On the whole, I am against the targeted assassination program whether it be the drones or the helicopter launched ground attacks or by any means. But things like using drones or busting down Bin Laden's door are the least of a whole bunch of evils.

Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: Don Firth
Date: 24 Jun 12 - 03:35 PM

Just a side note here.

There is nothing intrinsically evil about the concept of drones or remote controlled aircraft. The evil is in the way they can be used.

I mention in another thread that, when I worked for a year as a traffic reporter on a local radio station ("drive time" traffic reports during rush hours), having a few drones with controllable cameras flying over the freeways and bridges would make the accuracy of such reports a whole lot better.

A drone (remote controlled aircraft) is a tool. It's how you use that tool that makes the difference.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 24 Jun 12 - 04:18 PM

Don Firth: "....The evil is in the way they can be used...."

Don, I agree....and I'd like to add one thing, also 'why?'...Defense? ..acquisition?...both?....and add terrorism?...all three??

Surely, if any or all can be avoided, then by all means avoid. Perhaps, not putting your country in the position of having to use them might be a 'novel' idea.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: GUEST,999
Date: 24 Jun 12 - 04:37 PM

Jack, Bobert and I are friends. My remark about total war--which I do not at all think he supports--came about thus:

1) It seems to be ok to use drones and other unmanned equipment because it keeps kids safer--well, American kids safer

2) Protocols of warfare go out the window because there are no protocols of warfare when it comes to drones

3) There need no longer be a war declared to invade another country, and drones killing someone in another country means there is a war and the US can expect retaliation

It begins to look pretty total to me.

Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: akenaton
Date: 24 Jun 12 - 05:43 PM

Totally agree Bruce... add to that the idea that we can make war on other nations with no risk to ourselves and the future begins to look pretty murky, given our history of exploitation and outright robbery.

As I said earlier if we want to end war, we must be aware of the pain, death and destruction which war brings.

Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 24 Jun 12 - 06:14 PM

"Why would anybody want to target a seventy one year old folkie?"

I think that would depend on the time of the month.

Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: GUEST,999
Date: 24 Jun 12 - 06:26 PM

LOL, Jack.

Hi, Ake.

Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: Bobert
Date: 24 Jun 12 - 08:19 PM

Exactly, Don...

No, I don't pick conventional 19th century war over drones, brucie...

Given my druthers, I pick neither...

Neither the Afghanistan or Iraq wars were justified...

Had we treated 9/11, when we had 90% of the world behind US, we could have treated this as a crime and saved US one heck of cost in terms of lives, treasury and stature...

I'm sick of "American exceptionalism" if it means more wars... That's all the right talks about... Screw it... No more wars... Period... No one is safer as the result of a war... Not no one... Just say no!!! We have to set the bar... We do that and others will follow... We have been at war with someone almost all my life... Who benefits??? No one...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: GUEST,999
Date: 24 Jun 12 - 11:07 PM

Drones are tools of warfare when they are used as such. So I am NOT understanding what you're saying.

Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jun 12 - 02:13 AM

SHOCKING BREAKING NEWS!!!!!


Don Firth, Bobert and GfS actually agree on something....that is if Bobert doesn't change his mind again!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: Songwronger
Date: 25 Jun 12 - 07:18 PM

One of the earlier posts paints an ugly picture and then says, "This is the America of Mitt Romney and his compatriots."

I don't understand this. Obama's the one who promised austerity. Austerity we're now seeing. Sure Mitt Romney will cut government services and all that, but it'll just be a continuation of the Bush/Obama policies. America, like Europe, is in the clutches of a vicious, fascistic banking cabal. Romney will just continue to serve that cabal, and America will continue on its downward spiral. Let's be sure to give Obama his share of credit for the mess we're in.

Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Jun 12 - 08:11 PM

What I am saying, brucie, is that you have two choices ***if*** you are in a war:

1. Fight it smart, i.e. drones...

2. Fight it stupid, i.e. 19th century tactics and lots of yer kids in boxes...

The question as to whether or not we should be in wars I believe I have answered for the last for the last 8 to 10 years I have been here... I was one of the first, if not the first, to say no, no, no here in Mudburg to Iraq before others joined in...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 26 Jun 12 - 01:01 AM

So, with all that man, that weird creature with opposed thumbs, and the ability to communicate thoughts with other humans, and create and express all sorts of amazing things, we have finally arrived at the top of the food chain....and can't wait to build a better killing machine!
Go Team go!!!

Amazing!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: GUEST,999
Date: 26 Jun 12 - 12:39 PM

That I can understand, Bobert. I'm a bit slow, but eventually I catch up. Thank you.

Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 26 Jun 12 - 12:47 PM

Bobert: "I was one of the first, if not the first, to say no, no, no here in Mudburg to Iraq before others joined in..."

Well great!...Keep saying it!...no matter what party decides to invade any country that has not attacked us!!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Jun 12 - 01:36 PM

Yup...

And that goes for Syria and Iran...

The woofing that Mitt Romney has done on both indicate that if he were president he would be just like George W. Bush and take US into one war after another after another...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 26 Jun 12 - 02:40 PM

The U.S. has been getting into useless wars ever since the Spanish-American.
That guy that ran with Palin was even worse, good thing he was defeated.

Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Jun 12 - 04:10 PM

Yes, John McCain has been going around saying that Obama doesn't believe in "American exceptionalism"... In other words: wars, wars and more wars... John McCain has become a very bitter old man...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: akenaton
Date: 26 Jun 12 - 05:43 PM

"And that goes for Syria and Iran..."

Oh?....and what about lybia then?

I distinctly remember Hillary the Hawk and a slightly less gung=ho president Obama cheerleading the Brits and French in the idiotic removal of Col Gaddafi.

Todays Times says that the place is now ruled by warring militias and Al Quaeda are already setting up Jihadi training camps, just as Gadaffi warned would happen......Bloody fools.

Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 26 Jun 12 - 06:13 PM

But Akenaton!!!.....When the Democrats do the same thing as the Republicans, its O-K-A-A-A-Y...ask any knucklehead in here!

regards, Ake,

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 27 Jun 12 - 12:59 PM

""Let's be sure to give Obama his share of credit for the mess we're in.""

Just for once I find myself in total agreement with Songwronger.

Let's give Obama his share of the credit for a lunatic system which allows 40% of its policy making body to override the 60% majority.

Obama's share of responsibility for that 0%.

Prior to the Republicans achieving that 40%:

Millions of US citizens with access, for the first time, to proper medical care

Obama's share of responsibility for that 100%.

US troops out of Iraq.

Obama's share of responsibility for that 100%.

That Republican minority then acts as one to prevent any Obama initiative succeeding.

Obama's share of responsibility for that 0%.

Guantanamo still active.

Obama's responsibility for that 0%.

Afghanistan still taking American and British lives.

Obama's share of the responsibility for that 0%.

The US economic situation beginning to improve.

Well, it looks as though the lad is on the right side of the balance sheet, to everyone except the republicans, who would have preferred to have stopped the things he did manage to do, rather than having to settle for damaging them.

If the Republicans are an example of American love of country, GOD HELP AMERICA!

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: Stringsinger
Date: 27 Jun 12 - 01:03 PM

Avanti Popalo,

Beware of Benito Mitt-soulini and his corporatzione Americana.

Apparently many Americans have not learned the lessons of history.

Corporations+government control by corporations=Fascism

Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 27 Jun 12 - 01:12 PM

"Al Quaeda are already setting up Jihadi training camps, just as Gadaffi warned would happen." - akenaton

Didn't Gadaffi also warn about "rivers of blood?"

So we were to take Gadaffi seriously about one statement but on NOT act on the other?

I think akenaton has hit upon THE best justification for the actions taken in Lybia.

Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: Stringsinger
Date: 27 Jun 12 - 01:25 PM

War is OK if the US is doing it or sponsoring reactions in such places as Libya.
It's a big business and arms dealing is as American as apple pie. Sell to both sides while we hold the coat. This was done in Cuba so why not in Libya?

We see how Libya is turning out as well as Syria.

I predict that a Romney Robot will put the US at war with Iran.

Not Pakistan or Saudi Arabia. "Wouldn't be prudent."

Wag the dog. Scapegoat needed to divert attention from real issues by Americans.

Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: Naemanson
Date: 01 Jul 12 - 04:27 AM

Songwronger, There is nothing wrong with austerity. It is essential if we are going to tame the economy. There is a problem with irresponsible austerity that only targets the programs one side doesn't like.

My point was that the conservative side claims to want smaller government. They seem to think that private industry will fill the role when a need is uncovered. As has been borne out by past actions there needs to be a SUBSTANTIAL profit before they'll do anything. I believe businesses set a profit goal and will not undertake anything that does not meet or exceed that goal. The needs in Manila are not met by government nor by private industry.