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if i spoke with tongues of men

ollaimh 11 Jun 12 - 06:38 PM
GUEST,999 11 Jun 12 - 07:50 PM
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Subject: if i spoke with tongues of men
From: ollaimh
Date: 11 Jun 12 - 06:38 PM

does any ome have the complete lyric for the song sung and composed for the servie for the victums of the locherbie bombing that starts

"if i spoke with tongues of men
or spoke with tongues of angels
if i did not speak with love i'd just be cymbols clanging
everyoner would hold their ears
......
......
.......

if i spoke in phrophesy
the fate of many nations
if i knew all the mysteries
the secerts of creation
if i had all the faith i need
enough for mountains moving
but had no love to carry me
what good would it do me



love is kind it suffers all
it isn't proud or jealous
love will not remember wrongs and
love will never fail us
it hopes and dream

etc........

i need to fill this out, i can't find my version and i was going to sing it to some christians


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Subject: RE: if i spoke with tongues of men
From: GUEST,999
Date: 11 Jun 12 - 07:50 PM

ollaimh, do you recall the song title? I'm comin' up empty.

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1 Corinthians 13

American Standard Version (ASV)

13 If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am become sounding brass, or a clanging cymbal.

2 And if I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.


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Subject: RE: if i spoke with tongues of men
From: maeve
Date: 12 Jun 12 - 11:33 AM

ollaimh, I know it...give me a little time.

Maeve


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Subject: RE: if i spoke with tongues of men
From: maeve
Date: 12 Jun 12 - 12:09 PM

"St. Paul's Song" by Pierce Pettis, isn't it? I thought I remembered hearing it sung by Peta Webb and Ken Hall, but I can't find that version online.


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Subject: RE: if i spoke with tongues of men
From: maeve
Date: 12 Jun 12 - 12:17 PM

Does this sound like the song for which you're looking?
St. Paul's Song, excerpt

If you can find a recorded version from Peta Webb and Ken Hall, it will be a good one.


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Subject: RE: if i spoke with tongues of men
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 12 Jun 12 - 12:36 PM

That goes on till it reaches the Mudcat motto doesn't it.
"When I became a man, I put away childish things"


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Subject: RE: if i spoke with tongues of men
From: GUEST,999
Date: 12 Jun 12 - 12:39 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7bchcnG7CQ

With deepest respect to Maeve, this version is easier to understand.


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Subject: RE: if i spoke with tongues of men
From: maeve
Date: 12 Jun 12 - 12:45 PM

Yes, that version is easier to understand, friend-of-mine. The personal flourishes. however. seem to me to lose the tune. As soon as we know if this is indeed the song ollaimh needs I'd be glad to help transcribe it.

It's so frustrating; I had written out the whole thing directly from Peta's singing, and that paper has gone to ashes with the rest of my library. I used to sing it, and that's gone too, leaving little echoes in my memory.


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Subject: RE: if i spoke with tongues of men
From: GUEST,999
Date: 12 Jun 12 - 12:47 PM

Yeah. Thing is with a loss like that, things will pop into your memory for a long time. But on the bright side, you both are here today, and I'd rather have you than a song, by anyone.


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Subject: RE: if i spoke with tongues of men
From: maeve
Date: 12 Jun 12 - 12:50 PM

Thanks, TrebleNine.

Ollaimh- Here are the lyrics:

St. Paul's Song ( 1 Corinthians 13) - Pierce Pettis
If I spoke in tongues of men
And spoke in tongues of angels
If I could not speak with love
I'd just be cymbals clanging
Everyone would hold their ears
They wouldn't know how to take it
And not a soul would want to hear
A racket so outrageous.

If I spoke in Prophecy
The fate of men and nations
If I knew the mysteries
And the secrets of creation
And had all the faith I need
Enough for mountains moving
Without love to carry me
Oh, what good would it do me.

Love is kind. it suffers long
It's never proud of jealous
Love will never do you wrong
Love will never fail us
It hopes believes and bares all things
It'll never be defeated
More than faith
More than hope
Love is the greatest

Knowlege, prophecy will fade
And tongues will all fall silent
But love that lives is here to stay
Solid and defiant
Though it's hard to see these things
As through a dark glass straining
When we're standing face to face
The truth won't need explaining

Words and Music by Pierce Pettis © 1984 Let-Have-Lunch Music (ASCAP)

http://www.marcogiunco.com/Testi/001843_04.htm


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Subject: RE: if i spoke with tongues of men
From: maeve
Date: 12 Jun 12 - 12:58 PM

I remember it more like this: (doesn't mean it's correct, of course!)I've also corrected a couple of typos I missed seeing in the first version I posted.
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St. Paul's Song ( 1 Corinthians 13)Pierce Pettis (version remembered as being sung by Peta Webb)

If I spoke with tongues of men
And spoke with tongues of angels
If I could not speak with love
I'd just be cymbals clanging
Everyone would hold their ears
They wouldn't want to hear it
And not a soul would want to hear
A racket so outrageous.

If I spoke in Prophecy
The fate of men and nations
If I knew the mysteries
And the secrets of creation
And had all the faith I need
Enough for mountains moving
Without love to carry me
What good would it do me?

Love is kind. It suffers long
It's never proud or jealous
Love will never do you wrong
Love will never fail us
It hopes, believes and bears all things
It'll never be defeated
More than faith
More than hope
Love, it is the greatest

Knowledge, prophecy will fade
And tongues will all fall silent
But love that lives is here to stay
Solid and defiant
Though it's hard to see these things
As through a dark glass straining
When we're standing face to face
The truth won't need explaining
*********************


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Subject: RE: if i spoke with tongues of men
From: maeve
Date: 12 Jun 12 - 01:22 PM

Of course, it was Heather Heywood I heard it from, and she later recorded it on her album:

By Yon Castle Wa'
Heather Heywood
http://music.yahoo.com/heather-heywood/


Rusty brain from all the water that put out the fire.

Peta and Ken are also wonderful, and worth a listen.


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Subject: RE: if i spoke with tongues of men
From: CupOfTea
Date: 12 Jun 12 - 04:18 PM

I spent considerable time searching for a version of St. Paul's song so I could learn it for my Faith & Folk Music program. It's something that had crossed my path several times without much impact. Somewhere, I have the Pierce Pettis cassette with it, but couldn't find it. I've a version recorded by Magpie, but their tempo was so excruciatingly slow and grandiose that it never registered as something I needed to learn either, though I love some of their other songs.

It wasn't until I heard Caroline Paton sing it to me in a crowded room at the Getaway, the year Sandy died, talking about singing it for memorial services that it hit me what a wonderful setting this was. I tried to find sheet music for it - perfectly willing to pay for it, but Pierce Petis' website doesn't seem to have that as an option. It wasn't showing up anywhere else online as anything other than the lyrics or a couple YouTube videos. I watched Ms. Devine's YouTube of it (999's link above) about 75 times to get it down, and figure out chord changes (I'm not very experienced at getting a song down this way) and worked it out in the key of C for singing with Autoharp. It's in the top of my repertoire these days. I talked to Caroline about it this spring when I was sorting songs for the project and now that I've got it, I need to record it and send it to her, with thanks.

It still surprises me that a few songs I cherish were NOT "love at first go round." Amazing how much context and personal interpretation feed into our reception of information!

Joanne in Cleveland


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Subject: RE: if i spoke with tongues of men
From: maeve
Date: 12 Jun 12 - 04:53 PM

Caroline would be just right for this song...or t'other way around, perhaps!

Here's a fragment of the song as Heather sings it. Click on the link, then look for "Paul's Song" to click again, then listen...
http://music.yahoo.com/heather-heywood/albums/by-yon-castle-wa--7409


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Subject: RE: if i spoke with tongues of men
From: Joe_F
Date: 12 Jun 12 - 06:24 PM

Brahms also set it to music (one of the Four Serious Songs).


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Subject: RE: if i spoke with tongues of men
From: maeve
Date: 17 Jun 12 - 01:55 PM

Refresh... for ollaimh.


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