BS: SenateTeaPubs: No Tax Breaks for Hiring

Subject: BS: SenateTeaPubs: No Tax Breaks for Hiring
From: Bobert
Date: 12 Jul 12 - 07:21 PM

Well, it is now apparent even to Helen Keller in her grave that the TeaPubs are liars...

Just today they used Senate trickery to shoot down a bill that ***passed*** 53-47 that would have provided tax relief to small businesses for new hires???

End of TeaPubs talkin' about wanting to create jobs, jobs, jobs...

They hate every job that is created and now have voted to affirm that hate...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: SenateTeaPubs: No Tax Breaks for Hiring
From: GUEST,999
Date: 13 Jul 12 - 11:47 AM

TeaPubs my Aunt Mehitabel's mink knickers. They are Romney supporters.

"Republicans' main strategy is to drive down [voter] turnout. They are a minority party with a rabid following. They think the only way they can win is to make people not want to vote. High unemployment discourages people and keeps them away from the polls better than anything. Plus, if jobs were created, people would feel good, plus they would give credit to President Obama, which is a double whammy they don't want."

Neat analysis, imo.

Subject: RE: BS: SenateTeaPubs: No Tax Breaks for Hiring
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 13 Jul 12 - 12:50 PM

The GOP Senate membership is way more anti-President Obama and pro Romney.

Subject: RE: BS: SenateTeaPubs: No Tax Breaks for Hiring
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 13 Jul 12 - 12:51 PM

"and pro Romney. "
Than pro Romney.

Subject: RE: BS: SenateTeaPubs: No Tax Breaks for Hiring
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Jul 12 - 01:16 PM

Hey guys, you seemed to have forgotten that employers are also holding back hiring, because of the added tax burden that Obamacare puts on the employers!! All in all, when employers are attacked from both sides,
I doubt the economic picture doesn't look to bright....and if you'll notice, there IS a consistency between both these policies. They are shutting the door, on individuals being able to amount to much more financially, and keeping us suppressed and subjugated.
Meanwhile, the derivative market clock is ticking downward for them.

It is just like watching a snake eat its own tail!!

Now if I were in our position, which I am, our biggest contribution would be in building up the spirit of ordinary folks, through music, to weather this terrific, perfect storm, that is about to hit us all!!...and not bolster the propaganda that we are being inundated with, from the media propaganda machine, which is OWNED by the same people who OWN the politicians!!! If I wanted to hear the same crap they are pushing, I certainly DON'T want to hear it in 'folk music', which is supposed to come up from the hearts of us common folk, and NOT from 'corporate offices'!!!!...when they are not conjuring up programs and policies to lord over us peasants,and serfs!!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: SenateTeaPubs: No Tax Breaks for Hiring
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 13 Jul 12 - 05:59 PM

The Republicans in Congress have effectively blockaded almost every legislation that might have helped the economy.

Companies that do, or could, benefit from Republican policies have, according to numerous reports, adopted a policy of NOT CREATING jobs until the Republicans are back.

The US Chamber of Commerce is reported to have sent a "recommendation" to all it's larger members advocating that job creation be "postponed" until Obama is replaced (by a Republican). This was at least several months before the last election.

During the pre-campaign primaries, I happened to hear, within the space of about two weeks, three separate Republican "candidates" make IDENTICALLY the same statement:

"I promise that NOTHING will pass in Congress while that *** man *** is the President."

The first *** is a "poignant pause" deliberately intended to allow the audience to insert "nigger" if they want, and the second *** is so that they'll have time to think "he wanted to say nigger." The statement was identical from all three, since neither parrots nor puppets are allowed to deviate from "the party line."

Tax breaks were given to the wealthy before Obama had anything to do with it, and they've produced virtually ZERO job production or replacement. The argument that not taxing the rich will produce jobs has been incontrovertibly refuted by that alone. The decision to obstruct (including obstruction of economic recovery) was fully demonstrated BEFORE "Obamacare" was passed by Congress, and the health act cannot be claimed as a legitimate reason for continued obstruction by Republican followers and sympathisers, since it hasn't changed what they (don't) do.

The main appeal that Romney might have had for those not already brainwashed to the TeaPublican party line was that he actually appeared to "think" about what he said - occasionally. His switch from trying to explain the Supreme Court decision to squawking the parroted "It's a TAX" line demolished that assumption, amply showing that election of ANY REPUBLICAN as President means that all we'll have is a puppet for some unknown person/agency that secretely pulls ALL OF THE STRINGS, and who is one that NO Republican can object to or resist.

Welcome back to 1938.

John

Subject: RE: BS: SenateTeaPubs: No Tax Breaks for Hiring
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Jul 12 - 06:03 PM

Not one dime in extra taxes are being paid by any employer or are written into the Affordable Care Act for employers...

Guess again, GfinS...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: SenateTeaPubs: No Tax Breaks for Hiring
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Jul 12 - 06:07 PM

Thanks to the obstructionism by the House TeaPubs the 112th Congress has passes the least number of bills since 1947...

Thanks to the House Teapubs debt ceiling grandstanding not only was the US's credit rating downgraded but for the 4 month period that the TeaPubs played games, employers slowed way down in hiring...

Thems for starters...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: SenateTeaPubs: No Tax Breaks for Hiring
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 Jul 12 - 06:07 PM

1938, John? More like 1898.

Subject: RE: BS: SenateTeaPubs: No Tax Breaks for Hiring
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 13 Jul 12 - 06:25 PM

Let me tell you something about hiring for a business. If you have demand you will hire. If you don't you won't. It is certainly not about the taxes.

Lets assume the demand exists.

Say you own a consulting company. You have 50 employees and are grossing 10 million a year. You ad 10 employees, (20%) your gross goes up to 12 million (20%). The employees cost you 100 K a pop. Your extra net earnings before taxes are $ 1,000,000 and as Romney would call you a small business owner (S corp) paying tax as an individual.

If your highest marginal tax rate is 33% (as it is now) or 39% as President Obama proposes, do you NOT hire those people because your marginal net increase in income would "only" be $610,000 instead of $667,000? Because if you don't hire them, your competitor will. Or your best people will go start their own company and earn your margins on their labor.

That's is the beauty of the market system. Resources go where the money is.

Subject: RE: BS: SenateTeaPubs: No Tax Breaks for Hiring
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Jul 12 - 06:47 PM

Republican Tea?..or Democrat Kool-Aid...pick your poison!...Drinks are on the House!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: SenateTeaPubs: No Tax Breaks for Hiring
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Jul 12 - 07:50 PM

One of those two parties wants to turn American into Somalia by wiping out every last union, by privatizing Social Security and Medicare, by forcing people to work for poverty wages all the while their donors live higher than any oligarchs have ever lived...

The other party is just trying to hold off these radicals until saniyt returns to our nation...

I hate to say if but the later party is the Democratic Party and the radicals who love the Ayn Rand model are the current TeaPulicans...

GfinS knows this but is unwilling to step to the plate and tell us why it is that GfinS is so supportive of turning the our country into something akin to Somalia or Haiti...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: SenateTeaPubs: No Tax Breaks for Hiring
From: Sawzaw
Date: 13 Jul 12 - 09:00 PM

So they had unions in Somalia? No freaking wonder Somalia is screwed.

Will Greece be the next Somalia?

Subject: RE: BS: SenateTeaPubs: No Tax Breaks for Hiring
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Jul 12 - 09:09 PM

It's not about how Somalia got where it is, Saws... It's about the kind of America that you and your super rich folks have in mind for everyone else...

So...

Guess again... That one was wrong...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: SenateTeaPubs: No Tax Breaks for Hiring
From: GUEST,999
Date: 13 Jul 12 - 09:24 PM

"So they had unions in Somalia? No freaking wonder Somalia is screwed."

The notion that workers have no right to protection from the whims of bosses is just not so. Workers DO have that right. It scares the shit out of people who think otherwise.

"Will Greece be the next Somalia?"

No. Modern Greece has had a history of corruption that dates back a hundred years. Somalia has a history of corruption that dates back to money.

"1978: Oil reserves are discovered in Bentiu in South Sudan."

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It is sometimes not enough to drop hints.

Subject: RE: BS: SenateTeaPubs: No Tax Breaks for Hiring
From: Sawzaw
Date: 13 Jul 12 - 09:34 PM

So what happened to Greece?

Subject: RE: BS: SenateTeaPubs: No Tax Breaks for Hiring
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Jul 12 - 09:38 PM

Greece ain't easy... It's a combination of the recession and too many extremely rich folks not paying enough taxes... Kinda like here...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: SenateTeaPubs: No Tax Breaks for Hiring
From: GUEST,999
Date: 13 Jul 12 - 10:27 PM

Saws, you and I have been coming up against each other more than a bit lately. I want you to know that I disagree with most of what you say, but I am also happy we've never been rude with each other. That alone makes me read your positions.

The trouble with small businesses getting hit with a health increase is that they will have healthier workers, fewer lost days and more productivity. The downside is that people might enjoy working again. I love having work to do. I hate being micromanaged. Small businesses do, too. However, the health act is a necessary evil until such time as people can see the benefits. The real advance of our race (homo sapien sapien) is our ability to face realities. Reality is that Republicans are behaving like spoiled brats. They will have their collective arses kicked very badly in the coming election, not because they are spoiled brats, but more to the point because they showed it. Feel for me Romney who does have the ability to confuse predicate with subject then deny the preposition is the creme of what Republicans have to offer a once-great nation. As my uncle used to say about a blind mare: "She don't look so good."

Obama will win by default.

It is time for a third party.

Subject: RE: BS: SenateTeaPubs: No Tax Breaks for Hiring
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Jul 12 - 11:42 PM

Bobert: "GfinS knows this but is unwilling to step to the plate and tell us why it is that GfinS is so supportive of turning the our country into something akin to Somalia or Haiti.."

Say what??? you said that, I didn't...even though either one of those owe less money.....

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: SenateTeaPubs: No Tax Breaks for Hiring
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 14 Jul 12 - 12:28 AM

So what happened to Greece? ...

Apparently not much of anything, in the years since the Truman Doctrine stated their condition quite succinctly and just as it appears to be now.

1938, or if you wish, 1936 to 1938, marked a turning point in world history that has seemed to me to be quite accurately parallel to many things that happened while the latest Bush was in office. Of course all those who wish to be masters of the world have read the same books, so it may be just coincidence.

John