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Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap From: Jeri Date: 06 Aug 12 - 06:50 AM Have the mayors actually done anything, or are they just stating their opinions? And at what point does speech = acting? Verbal bullying would count as both. I don't think the CfA stuff has reached that point, and I've read where gay employees have been hearing as much garbage from anti-anti-gays as from anti-gays, mainly due (I believe) to the employees not wearing a sign identifying them is gay, and to the fact that people tend to take available opportunities to shoot of their mouths. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap From: Joe Offer Date: 06 Aug 12 - 12:34 AM I'm with Lighter - I can't figure out how in the world it could be, that a homosexual marriage is a thread to my heterosexual marriage. All I can figure is that these people figure that if homosexuals can't marry homosexuals, they'll marry heterosexuals instead and somehow get "cured." I've known one homosexual who tried that, and his wife thought he was the perfect husband until she discovered he had hundreds of male lovers. The results were disastrous, and came close to destroying the two children of that marriage. My religious faith tells me that homosexuals should not marry heterosexuals. I don't have any reason to think that religious authorities who oppose gay marriage, have any sort of legitimate enlightenment in this matter. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap From: Jack the Sailor Date: 05 Aug 12 - 11:19 PM The mayors have as much right to speak as Cathy and when they did speak Chick fil A back peddled from Cathy's stance. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap From: dick greenhaus Date: 05 Aug 12 - 11:06 PM Jeri- Legally (thank God) it doesn't matter what a person thinks ( or says, xcept for the crying "Fire" in a crowded theater bit). Until Chick-Fil-a tries to act on their presidents' beliefs, the mayors have no business doing anything at sll about it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap From: John P Date: 05 Aug 12 - 07:56 PM Cathy can say whatever he wants. I wouldn't eat at Chick-fill-a for two reasons: one is that the corporation gives lots of money to anti-civil rights campaigns. Two is the dumb-ass spelling of their name. The opinion of the owner is only important if it points to what the company does in the political arena. I'm divided about mayors saying they don't want the restaurants in town. I don't think they should get to do anything about it other than opine. On the other hand, if there was a restaurant chain that had an owner who said that black folks were an inferior race, and if the corporation was giving lots of money to the KKK, I wouldn't want them in my city. But I don't think it wouldn't be Constitutional to deny them a permit for that reason. On the other hand, having public repercussions for people who bring hate speech (and money) into our political discourse is maybe not such a bad idea. Sort of like, "You have the right to say anything you like, but your monetary support of anti-civil rights groups means that you lose the right to do business in this town." Another solution, of course, would be for the news media to stop repeating hate speech. Talk about playing into the hands of the bigots! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap From: GUEST,Lighter Date: 05 Aug 12 - 02:28 PM Maybe more gay marriage would slow down the spread of HIV/AIDS. People who get married at least intend to be faithful to their partner. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap From: Jeri Date: 05 Aug 12 - 02:06 PM Dick, I understand your point, but as the company's owner, there may be a greater import to his words. It IS a fine line, but if it can be reasonably assumed that he was speaking for the business, I believe it can also be reasonably assumed to be stating his intention to discriminate or condone discrimination. Say, for instance, the manager of Burger King or... Denny's... publicly said he didn't approve of people of people of different races eating together. Is it a reasonable assumption of a business owner's intent to discriminate, or is it one guy voicing an opinion? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap From: Jack the Sailor Date: 05 Aug 12 - 01:33 PM chicken-offsets-ted-frank At last! a positive response! ;-p |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap From: Jack the Sailor Date: 05 Aug 12 - 01:30 PM A definition for anyone who might need to read it. Discrimination is the prejudicial treatment of an individual based on his or her membership - or perceived membership - in a certain group or category. It involves the group's initial reaction or interaction, influencing the individual's actual behavior towards the group or the group leader, restricting members of one group from opportunities that are available to a group, leading to the exclusion of the individual or entities based on logical or irrational decisionmaking.[1] Discriminatory laws such as redlining exist in many countries. In some places, controversial attempts such as racial quotas have been used to redress negative effects of discrimination -- but have sometimes been called reverse discrimination themselves. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap From: akenaton Date: 05 Aug 12 - 01:21 PM Not all discrimination is negative. We discriminate on sex between close relatives, even if they agree to be sterilised, while the arguably much more dangerous "sex between men" is promoted as "safe and healthy" At last, the health figures associated with the practice of homosexuality are to be brought into the debate and we will begin to deal with the the reality of the issue....not an emotional response on "equality" Latest figures are from Uniads "79% of all new hiv infections come from 2% of the population(MSM)" "20% of homosexuals in major US cities carry the virus" Compulsory registration and testing is reqd if the increase in infection is to be halted. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap From: dick greenhaus Date: 05 Aug 12 - 12:33 PM Jeri- While there are laws against some discriminatory actions, I'm not aware of any laws against having a personal opinion that's discriminatory. And I've heard nothing about the company in question acxtually discriminating against gays. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap From: Jack the Sailor Date: 05 Aug 12 - 12:09 PM "3 mayors' actions feel about a city in, say, Mississippi refusing outfits like Ikea or KFC permits because they have publically appealed to gays? " I hope to hell that you don't think that Cathy was appealing to heterosexuals with his talk about arrogance and such. What is arrogant is sticking your "Christian" beliefs into someone else's bedroom. If the mayor of Jackson Mississippi wanted to ban a fast food company Because the President said people like Cathy should have their reproductive rights abridged until it was assured that they wouldn't pass their hatred onto their children. I would agree and you would have a point you bravely nameless guest. But if the issue is as you said it is, then the conflict is over. Chick fil A is now publicly appealing to gays. No doubt, in part at least, thanks to the statements of the mayors. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap From: GUEST,Lighter Date: 04 Aug 12 - 02:12 PM To repeat, after two days of zero responses: Gay marriages threaten traditional marriages by doing what precisely? If somebody would explain that, there might be a basis for discussion. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap From: Jeri Date: 04 Aug 12 - 02:00 PM Unfortunately for your whole point there, anti-gay is discrimination and pro-gay is not. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap From: GUEST Date: 04 Aug 12 - 01:37 PM Take, for a moment, a different tack. How would folks that approve of the 3 mayors' actions feel about a city in, say, Mississippi refusing outfits like Ikea or KFC permits because they have publically appealed to gays? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap From: beeliner Date: 04 Aug 12 - 01:27 AM Many years ago, I lived in Western PA and there was a Chick-Fil-A in a mall in Greensburg, PA - perhaps it's still there - and they had the best dam' cole slaw I have ever tasted. Pure ambrosia! My only complaint was that they allowed smoking. Wearing one's religion on one's sleeve is rarely advantageous in business; as my paapy told me when I left home, "Son, never do business with a man who keeps a Bible on his desk." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap From: Stu Date: 03 Aug 12 - 04:37 AM 30 years old, and still as relevant as ever: Are you a gay christian? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap From: Joe Offer Date: 02 Aug 12 - 09:14 PM I dunno. All I can say is that I'm getting really hungry looking at all the pictures of chicken sandwiches that I've come across in the course of this discussion.... Becky's links were some of the most tempting. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap From: GUEST,Lighter Date: 02 Aug 12 - 08:58 PM Great links, Becky. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap From: Desert Dancer Date: 02 Aug 12 - 08:40 PM From what I've read about the company in operating on its Christian values, "sinfulness" is a disqualifier for those who might like to acquire a Chik-fil-a franchise. No evidence it's come into play, but that would seem possible grounds to disqualify homosexuals as franchise holders. http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2007/0723/080.html http://nexus.som.yale.edu/chick-fil-a/ (Yale case study) In addition to the NH franchisee, the only one in Chicago has spoken out in support of LGBT rights. Some gay employees have been having a hard time of it lately: Huff Post. Corporate monies (through the WinShape Foundation - their charitable arm) have gone to organizations that actively work against the legalization of same-sex marriage, and some of those organizations also are seen to have an agenda hateful toward homosexuals. Detailed here: http://equalitymatters.org/factcheck/201207020001 Here's an even-handed statement from a Christian perspective: Rachel Held Evans: Some words for Christians on both sides of the Chick-fil-A war (written before the C-F-A Appreciation Day). She has a sad post today: When you feel out of step with your religious community.... I think the Boston & Chicago mayors are making a big mistake, and I note that there are prominent statements from activists for marriage equality making statements to that effect (Andrew Sullivan, and Steve Salbu, in an NY Times op-ed). ~ Becky in Tucson |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap From: Jeri Date: 02 Aug 12 - 08:19 PM Agree, Jack. I've never been in one of their restaurants and haven't heard of them in ages until this happened. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap From: Jack the Sailor Date: 02 Aug 12 - 08:01 PM As it turns out they are getting multi million dollars of free publicity. Its almost as if they planned it all. So far this is the best comment I have seen/ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap From: Jeri Date: 02 Aug 12 - 07:14 PM My state's (NH) ONE C-f-A restauraunt: In New Hampshire, a Chick-fil-A manager might be causing his chain headaches. Anthony Picolia and the Nashua Chick-fil-A, the only one in the state, are supporting the New Hampshire Pride Fest on Aug. 11. In a statement, Picolia said "I would challenge people to come have a conversation with me before they make assumptions or boycott my restaurant."Like most things, this is more complicated that it seems. If people boycott, will they hurt the individual restaurant owners or the chain? Does Cathy's opinion have any real-life effects? If he discriminates against employees or patrons, yes. If he's just shooting off his mount, no. Lots of people have opinions I don't agree with or actually find vile. One can't run people out of town because they have unpopular opinions. ...so I'm not convinced either way. Jerks who don't or can't act on their jerkishness aren't evil, they're just jerks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap From: Joe Offer Date: 02 Aug 12 - 06:34 PM 999, I was responding to your post of 02 Aug 12 - 01:56 PM. You seemed to be confusing the In-N-Out hamburger scripture citations, with the statement of the Cathy the Chicken Guy. You said people have the "have the right to vote with their bucks," and I agree - but I think that a less coercive approach may be more effective. Lighter asks: Has anybody ever listed specific ways in which gay marriage allegedly screws up other marriages? Well, no, lighter, but I've heard it said so often that gay marriage is a threat to my heterosexual marriage, so it must be true......right??? I've really tried to make an honest attempt to find some sense in that "threat to marriage" allegation, because it is said so often by people who claim to have authority in my Catholic Church; but I just can't make heads nor tails of it. The best and most polite response I can make is, "Huh????" I think the Catholic bishops use that and their War Against Nuns to cover up their child molestation scandal. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap From: Jack the Sailor Date: 02 Aug 12 - 05:51 PM pdq, Are you stating this as a matter of fact? Have you personally visited each franchise and questioned the manager's training? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap From: pdq Date: 02 Aug 12 - 05:43 PM Just for the record... The founder and CEO of Chick-fil-A is Samuel Truett Cathy, who is 91 years old. Daniel Truet Cathy is his son. President and COO, the son directs daily operations of the company. He is 59. He made the comments in a Christian radio interview. His father is essentially retired. The company has strict policies about any type of descrimination and is a "equal opportunity employer" of Blacks, Hispanics, women and gays. Franchise managers are trained to solve any problems fairly. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap From: GUEST,999 Date: 02 Aug 12 - 05:30 PM That guest post addressed mostly to Joe was mine. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap From: Jack the Sailor Date: 02 Aug 12 - 05:29 PM "I think we are inviting God's judgment on our nation when we shake our fist at him and say, 'We know better than you as to what constitutes a marriage.'" A little more than a disagreement with gay marriage IMHO. If a chicken vendor wants to put fire and brimstone in his batter. He should not be surprised if some folks do not like the flavor. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap From: GUEST,Lighter Date: 02 Aug 12 - 05:17 PM Has anybody ever listed specific ways in which gay marriage allegedly screws up other marriages? I haven't noticed a problem, but maybe it's just me. If you don't like gay marriage, don't get gay-married. (But by the same token, a church that objects to gay marriage on doctrinal grounds shouldn't be compelled by law to marry gay couples. In fact, separation of church and state guarantees it won't be. If some gay couples demand a church wedding, that's a private issue between them and their church.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap From: GUEST Date: 02 Aug 12 - 04:57 PM Joe. I have never eaten at a Chick-fil-A nor is it high on my list of priorities. In fact, I see nothing wrong with slogans, biblical comments or satanic verses on coffee cups. (I always enjoyed the Tim Horton's joke that made the rounds. Timmies did a 'Roll up the Rim to Win' campaign. Some wag on the internet showed a rolled-up rim that said, "I peed in your cup." Cathy has every right to speak as he chooses, the usual admonitions being considered. His personal views are his--and he has the right to speak of them. I too disagree with boycotts of this nature, and because of this type of thing I would likely eat at a Chick-fil-A given the chance, because I dislike being told what I think, how I feel or what I can or cannot do. By anyone. I think your "We need to have a two-pronged approach to win acceptance for gay marriage: A legislative and judicial approach, winning approval of gay marriage in state legislatures and convincing the courts to outlaw restrictive legislation. A persuasive campaign, working to convince people that tolerating gay marriage is the right and just thing to do, even if people don't personally like the idea." is a good idea. How you have perceived me as pro or con on this thread escapes me, as does why you have chosen to address something I've said. But, in the parlance, that's cool. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap From: Joe Offer Date: 02 Aug 12 - 04:33 PM Well, 999, it's important to keep stories straight, and then to determine how to respond. It was a hamburger place that prints scripture citations (not the text, just stuff like "Jn 3:16" in inconspicuous places). The only fact stated about Chick-fil-a is that the CEO said in an interview that he does not support gay marriage. So far, that's all we have on the guy, that he made a simple statement in an interview - we don't know what other employees and company owners from Chick-fil-a think. Richard Chang's article in today's Sacramento Bee terms Cathy's statement as an "attack on gay marriage." Chang says "the deeply religious Cathy" as saying this in a radio interview: "I think we are inviting God's judgment on our nation when we shake our fist at him and say, 'We know better than you as to what constitutes a marriage.'" Note that this was a radio interview, so apparently the guy was answering a question and stating his opinion - not really making an unprovoked attack or waging a campaign. He was just saying what he thinks. And yes, I suppose we certainly have the "right" not to patronize people who don't think the way we do. We can surround ourselves with people who think just like we do, and view all others as "the enemy" and demonize them cultivate an adversarial relationship with them. After all, that sort of polarization is The Way of the World nowadays. It's what has brought the United States Government to a virtual standstill - because people insist that it's their God-given/god-given right to have their own way and not give in to the evil of tolerance and compromise. So, there's been a nationwide boycott of Chick-fil-A, accompanied by the usual shrill rhetoric. And, of course, there's been the usual counter-boycott to promote "family values." Has all this won any support for gay marriage? Nope, not a bit. In fact, gay marriage may have lost a bit of support because of reaction by fair-minded people to the shrill overkill of the Chick-fil-A boycott. A boycott can be a very effective tool, if used judiciously. It's most effective when it's used in response to a gross injustice, not just the expression of a distasteful opinion. Martin Luther King used boycotts brilliantly. Cesar Chavez overused boycotts and failed to keep his message clear. Many of his boycotts failed because people didn't know if they were supposed to boycott celery or lettuce or raisins this week, since the campaign kept constantly changing. We need to have a two-pronged approach to win acceptance for gay marriage:
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Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap From: GUEST,999 Date: 02 Aug 12 - 04:33 PM Once again, I'm with you. For example, "Your Worship, I will defend to your death your right to say any stupid ill-considered statement that pops into your mind if it will garner votes for you. Until then, run the fucking town and let those of us who agree with you do so in silence." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap From: Jack the Sailor Date: 02 Aug 12 - 04:24 PM Oh, I'm not so sure I agree with all that. The elected mayors have a right to say what they want and do what they can withing the bounds of local law. I'm not saying that they are wise to do so. And that comes with the assumption that there will be an election before too long where the public can express their feelings on the mayor's expressed opinions. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap From: GUEST,999 Date: 02 Aug 12 - 04:05 PM True back atcha, Jack. I think for once you and I agree on something. Neither of us would need a mayor to tell us what we should think. That ain't why we vote for mayors. Run the damned village, town or city and we'll decide all on our very own where we choose to eat. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap From: Jack the Sailor Date: 02 Aug 12 - 03:49 PM True 999 But the debate is whether the Mayors of Chicago and Boston have the right to limit the growth of his franchises in their cities because he is to paraphrase the mayors, not in accord with their cities' values. The more I see of this the more it looks like a publicity stunts to get people to buy more unhealthy food. By the way, in my opinion their sandwiches are a tiny sliver of chicken between 4 thick layers of greasy carbs. I Get a sugar rush just remembering the one that I did have. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap From: GUEST,999 Date: 02 Aug 12 - 01:56 PM The thing is this: if Cathy has the right to use his money to promulgate sayings from the bible or the 'religious world', whatever that may be, then consumers of Cathy's products also have the right to vote with their bucks. That simple. It is not a question of whether he is correct in doing so; neither is it a question of someone else not doing so. It is a question of money. He spends his as he sees fit, and so do the rest of us. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap From: GUEST,Lighter Date: 02 Aug 12 - 10:46 AM > the log in your own eye appears to be corporate wealth. I am not making this up. The widely voiced opinion in certain circles is that great wealth accumulated by the devout is a visible, earthly symbol of God's grace. Like the rich man in the bible, the non-Christian rich can't get into Heaven; but the Christian rich can and should, unless they seriously drop the ball somehow. One Christian argument against Cathy would be that he lacks charity toward homosexuals and takes a narrow view of God based on a static, restricted view of Christianity. (In other words, he's kind of a Pharisee.) A counterargument would be that he recognizes that gay marriage is a prideful affront to God, inviting divine judgment on America. (In other words, he's kind of a prophet.) At least that's how people that I know would argue. But this thread's about politics, not theology. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap From: Jack the Sailor Date: 02 Aug 12 - 10:00 AM "At least he spoke in a civilized tone of voice." Not in the interview I heard. He was railing against the "arrogance" of others who would dare challenge his version of "God's plan." I think that it is pretty arrogant to pretend to speak for God. Especially when the log in your own eye appears to be corporate wealth. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap From: SINSULL Date: 02 Aug 12 - 09:33 AM Same for Sally Hanson. I deny no one their right to an opinion. I reserve the right not to support their businesses should I disagree. Or to support their businesses as in the case of the Salvation Army when their deeds take precedence over their opinions. SINS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap From: Becca72 Date: 02 Aug 12 - 09:24 AM He has the right to his opinions, just as I have the right to mine. While we don't have any CFA restaurants in my area (that I'm aware of) it would be my choice not to go there, as I don't agree with his opinion. This is exactly the reason why I refuse to take membership at Curves. I don't agree with him, either I don't deny anyone the chance to make money, but I DO deny them the chance to get any of mine. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap From: GUEST,999 Date: 02 Aug 12 - 05:25 AM It's obviously a front pushing lesbienism. Have a look at the name: Chick-fil-A. Sheesh, some people are slow. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap From: GUEST,Lighter Date: 01 Aug 12 - 09:49 PM > the CEO of CFA should just have said "I don't want to comment on gay rights." Yeah, but then he wouldn't be the CEO of CFA: he'd be another guy entirely. He said what he thought. I don't believe we can insist that he should have said something that somebody else with a different sense of CEO decorum might have said otherwise. Cathy *is* an evangelical and evangelicals evangelize. At least he spoke in a civilized tone of voice. Speaking his mind is a long way from imposing his beliefs, even though he might wish to. Anyway, I'm pretty sure he'd respond to that idea by saying, "They're not my *beliefs.* They're God's *facts.*" I've heard other people say that about similar issues. Agree or disagree or roll your eyes, but if somebody thinks they're just speaking the truth, it's pointless to attack them personally. And it would be equally pointless to try to reason them out of it. Besides, Cathy's remarks may hurt his own business in the long run. (Think of a CEO speaking out for segregation in 1958.) They're certainly not going to change anybody's mind about gay marriage one way or the other. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap From: Joe Offer Date: 01 Aug 12 - 09:44 PM Gargoyle brings up the scripture quotes on the "paperware" from In-N-Out Hamburgers. The quote are abbreviated Bible references, stating something like "Prov 3:5" on the underside of a paper cup. Nothing blatant, just printed in an inconspicuous spot where most people wouldn't notice them. I think it's kinda fun. Over the years, I've looked up most of the Bible references. They're mostly the most popular born-again Christian passages, none of that Socialist love-your-neighbor crap that might cause somebody to doubt the beauties of capitalism. Chick-fil-A seems to be a bit more obvious in its Christianity - closing on Sunday is far from subtle - but that's the only religious reference I've seen in a Chick-fil-A store. So, to my mind, neither of these stores is "in your face" with their religious references. Oh, and I think Chick-fil-a gives free drinks to seniors, and their lemonade is really good. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap From: Bill D Date: 01 Aug 12 - 08:12 PM Joe Offer makes the point..... these confrontations are about the desire for conservative Christians to proselytize in various ways. We all agree that a person is entitled to believe in the religion of their choice.... or in none at all. But anytime representatives of public institutions or businesses 'suggest' that their personal beliefs SHOULD be general public policy, someone needs to call them on it. I would hate to have the jobs of employees of CFA be threatened because of boycotts,(unless they are required to state their religions views to get that job), but the CEO of CFA should just have said "I don't want to comment on gay rights." There are many, many issues these days being driven by conservative Christians seeking to IMPOSE their value system on everyone. They would rather YOU believe as THEY believe, but failing that, they wish to impose rules and limit freedoms that fit their rationale. No one can force anyone to eat... or NOT eat... at any public food outlet... but a point needs to be made that conservative Christianity is NOT the only recognized belief system in the USA!~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap From: GUEST,marks Date: 01 Aug 12 - 07:42 PM Better yet lets demonstrate and boycott any oil company which gets raw crude oil from muslim OPEC countries. Those folks dont merely oppose gay marriage, they actively kill citizens found to be gay. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap From: Jack the Sailor Date: 01 Aug 12 - 06:39 PM The CFA's are doing brisk business here today. Friday promises to be more interesting. The LGBT community is going to hold same sex kiss rallies on CFA premises. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap From: saulgoldie Date: 01 Aug 12 - 06:37 PM I have an idea for dealing with the CFA homophobia issue. Instead of BOYCOTTING them, we go to CFA outlets in groups, or maybe alone. I don't know which would be more effective. Those of us who are straight wear "Straight but not narrow" rainbow shirts. Those of us who are gay wear "We're Here; we're queer; get used to it" rainbow shirts. We can all hold hands in various combinations. We don't have to order big stuff. But we can "dawdle" with our orders, and make a big scene. We can hand out small flyers with the REAL Biblical descriptions of marriage (that I am sure you have seen floating around). We can have small groups. Or we could even organize flashmobs and invite the media! So you see, by NOT boycotting them, we can make a big statement and really embarrass them! IMHO. Saul |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap From: Bobert Date: 01 Aug 12 - 06:17 PM Well, here in Charlotte I passed one of these events and all I could think of was... ...Klan rally in cars... All they needed were some magnetic white hoods for the tops of the cars... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap From: Richard Bridge Date: 01 Aug 12 - 06:06 PM The Mayor should invite the KKK to town? For shame you mudcat fascists. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap From: bobad Date: 01 Aug 12 - 05:54 PM KFC and the Colonel weigh in on the debate: "We love gays and we're open Sundays" |
