BS: Chick-fil-A flap

Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Jul 12 - 12:48 PM

Boycotts are an age-old institution in the U.S., based upon collective responses to some practice of the company in question. It doesn't need a lot of debate, and it doesn't need mayors telling a company they can't come to town. If the company staff is smart they'll do some advance research and determine whether they'd be able to make any money in that community.

It can become an ingrained practice - I still don't buy Gallo wine or Nestle products, all of these years after what they were doing (fair wages for workers, and sending baby formula to Africa) has long since ceased to happen.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 Jul 12 - 11:34 AM

Amos, "Christians"[sic] like CFA's boss don't seem to have any problem lying- never have, never will..

Well Pee-Dee-Que, your "PC Fascists" and/or "PC crowd" don't hold a candle to the Fundagelical Christian[sic] Fascists, especially in the degrees to which they interfere with people's reading material, people's businesses & sources of income, peoples bodies, people's children's education, and a host of other things, both public and private, that they shouldn't be sticking their noses into.

Where do YOU draw the line?

Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Jul 12 - 09:48 AM

Yeah, I think it is dangerous for political leaders to make zoning decisions based on the politics of the applicant... It sets the stage for reprisals...

It would be best if these business owners and CEOs would just keep their mouths shut on stuff that very well influences the success of their businesses... If they want to give money, fine... If they want to knock on doors for a candidate, fine...

But when you make a public stand on a polarized issue you have just lost 50% of your customer base...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 28 Jul 12 - 09:20 AM

Politicians should not presume to speak for their constituents on moral issues. If Mayor Menino is so sure the citizens of Boston find Chick-fil-A's position objectionable, he should allow the company to open as many restaurants as it wishes, and then let Bostonians speak with their pocketbooks.

Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 28 Jul 12 - 08:22 AM

Elected officials have no business telling legitimate businesses that to stay out of town.

That's neither a "conservative" nor a "liberal" position.

Cathy knew there'd be a backlash, and he expressed his views anyway, and in a civil manner. I think he's wrong, but so what?

In any event, nobody's going to prison, nobody's being fined, nobody's being investigated, nobody's being arrested, nobody's stores are being shut down.

Gay marriage is a political issue. What one wealthy CEO thinks about it shouldn't be.

Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 28 Jul 12 - 03:14 AM

232 locations in California, Arizona, Nevada and Utah, took in an estimated $420 million in revenues in 2008 The concervative christian family owned In - N - Out Burger prints Biblical truths on thier paper products.


family:

Burger and cheeseburger wrappers Revelation 3:20—"Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me."

Bible reference on


Held by the Christian Snyder family In - N -Out urgers prints small Biblical sayings on their paper products....it is highly popular with nonbelievers and evangelials.


Beverage cups and replicas

wrapper of an In-N-Out

John 3:16—"For God so loved the

Double-Double

world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

Milkshake cups Proverbs 3:5—"Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding."

Double-Double wrapper Nahum 1:7—"The LORD is good, a strong hold in the day of trouble; and he knoweth them that trust in him."

Paper water cups (no longer in use for customers; they are now used by employees only) John 14:6—"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by Me."

License plate keychain 1 Corinthians 13:13—"And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity."

French fry holder Proverbs 24:16—"For though a righteous man falls seven times, he rises again, but the wicked are brought down by calamity."



[Sincerely,
Gargoyle

Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap
From: Amos
Date: 28 Jul 12 - 02:13 AM

You left out that in response to CFA's boss' public anti-gay stance the Muppet people canceled an agreement to have their toy characters in CFA's kiddy meals, ande CFA lied about it publicly saying the toys were pulled for safety reasons. This hoohah accelerated the public noise factor.

Public relations is a CEO's prime responsibility, and this one screwed it up. It doesn't matter if it was on gay rights or if he had made a stink about abortion or defending prurient bishops. When you make public statements you can expect public response; what's the big deal?


A

Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap
From: Joe Offer
Date: 28 Jul 12 - 01:46 AM

Chick-fil-A is a hard name to type, like a convoluted password that makes it torture every time you have to log in. So....EBarnacle (also hard to type) changed it to CFA.


As biggish corporations go, Chick-Fil-A is one that has always identified itself with conservative Christianity. It's the only fast food restaurant chain I know of, that closes on Sunday. So, it figures that the company's owners would oppose same-sex marriage. As far as I can see, the company has not waged war against gay marriage - the CEO just mentioned in an interview that he is opposed to gay marriage. I support the idea of gay marriage, but boycotting a business because of its owner's opinions, makes me feel a bit squeamish. As a progressive Catholic, I'm feeling more and more hedged in by triumphalist conservatives who think they own my church; and I'm starting to feel repressed. Should my response be to repress conservatives? I don't think so.

Chick-fil-A sandwiches have a smallish but very tender chicken fillet, breaded and cooked in peanut oil, served on a hamburger bun with mayonnaise and a pickle. I like them very much, but now Carl's Jr/Hardee has a sandwich with crispy fried chicken, ham, and swiss cheese on a substantial bun, and I like that sandwich a lot better than Chick-fil-A. Carl's Jr. founder, the last Carl Karcher, was one of those ultraconservative Catholics who have been such a pain in the ass to me all my days, and Carls/Hardees ads have a history of being sexually exploitative.

So, do I have to give up eating altogether?

-Joe, the Junk Food Junkie-

Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap
From: pdq
Date: 27 Jul 12 - 11:13 PM

CFA ?

Please speak English.

Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap
From: EBarnacle
Date: 27 Jul 12 - 11:06 PM

Mark, you are right and you are wrong.

If you look around New York City, you will not find a WalMart. The zoning people took a stand and said that their labor practices and the fact that they drove too many small businesses out created an unacceptable environment.

Here, they are saying that CFA creates an unacceptable environment for a significant portion of New York's population. The same applies to the other cities. New York has one CFA which, I believe is in Brooklyn.

You might even call it freedom of association.

Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap
From: MarkS
Date: 27 Jul 12 - 10:13 PM

Personally deciding to avoid a company or products because you do not agree with the views of their management/ownership is quite OK.
For a government entity to say they will not allow the enterprise to practice in their area because the management/ownership expressed religious views is quite another matter.
What's next? Yellow crosses on the clothes of certain co-religionists? Krystallnacht for Chick-fil-A properties?
Don't these government leaders have a clue about just what and who they are echoing?

Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap
From: EBarnacle
Date: 27 Jul 12 - 08:42 PM

When Oreo [National Biscuit Co] came out with the rainbow Oreo ad, it was a business decision based on what they felt would be supported by the majority of Americans.

I have eaten Chick-Fil-A in the past and enjoyed their food. I choose not to eat their food right now because profits from their food sales go to support causes I reject. This is not political correctness, just political action. I also do not eat Domino's Pizza, as I believe that their support of anti feminist values is bad for us.

Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Jul 12 - 08:28 PM

Ed T is 100% correct... When you are in business and dealing with the general public the intelligent owner/CEO does not go partisan...

Gun shops is the exception...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap
From: GUEST,999
Date: 27 Jul 12 - 08:23 PM

"Should Snapple be banned in your city because Rush Limbaugh was instrumental in giving theproduct world-wide recognition?"

Snapple should be banned because it tastes terrible, imo. And Rush should be banned because he's an asshole, imo.

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"Where does the PC crowd really draw the line?"

Who is this PC crowd you mention?

Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap
From: Ed T
Date: 27 Jul 12 - 06:41 PM

""Sadly people are not free to hold what views they want""

So, exactly where does just holding views land you in prison?

I suspect you refer to expressing those views, or taking it a bit farther, can get you in trouble in many world countries.

Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap
From: pdq
Date: 27 Jul 12 - 06:39 PM

"...they have to go with whatever the government throws at them or risk imprisonment... is this right??

Not exactly.

They don't face prison, just the banning of their business (source of income) due to the whims of the PC Fascists.

Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 27 Jul 12 - 06:24 PM

Sadly people are not free to hold what views they want.. they have to go with whatever the government throws at them or risk imprisonment... is this right????

Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Jul 12 - 06:12 PM

pdq

Where does the PC crowd really draw the line?

You consider civil rights to be simply political correctness?

Really?

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap
From: Ed T
Date: 27 Jul 12 - 06:00 PM

What is proported to be mayor's letter.

Boston Mayor's letter

Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap
From: pdq
Date: 27 Jul 12 - 05:58 PM

Hopefully, the government agencies have deep financial resources, as they may need 'em.

We, the taxpayers, are the government's "deep pockets", aren't we?

Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap
From: Ed T
Date: 27 Jul 12 - 05:53 PM

People are free to hold whatever views they want, though it may be a wise business decision to separate controversial personal views from business interests

People are free to shop, or not shop, where they wish based on whatever they view as important.

Most government agencies have ethical codes that protect individuals and business from unfair treatment based on situations like this one (different personal viewpoints. I expect this odd situation is fodder for legal action by the company and owner. Hopefully, the government agencies have deep financial resources, as they may need 'em.

Subject: BS: Chick-fil-A flap
From: pdq
Date: 27 Jul 12 - 04:54 PM

controversy:
The founder of a fast food chain that serves mostly chicken said he doeas not support gay marriage during an interview.

reaction:
"In the wake of these interviews, Thomas Menino, the Mayor of Boston, stated that the City would not allow the company to open franchises in the city. Menino subsequently wrote a letter to Dan Cathy, citing Cathy's statement on The Ken Coleman Show and responding: 'We are indeed full of pride for our support of same sex marriage and our work to expand freedom for all people.'

In Chicago alderman Proco 'Joe' Moreno announced his determination to block Chick-fil-A's bid to build a second store in the city: "They'd have to do a complete 180,' Moreno said in outlining conditions under which he would retract the block. 'They'd have to work with LGBT groups in terms of hiring, and there would have to be a public apology from [Cathy].'

Moreno received backing from Chicago's Mayor, Rahm Emanuel: 'Chick-fil-A values are not Chicago values,' Emanuel said in a statement. 'They disrespect our fellow neighbors and residents. This would be a bad investment, since it would be empty.'

San Francisco soon followed suit on July 26 when mayor Edwin M. Lee tweeted, 'Very disappointed 'ChickFilA doesn't share San Francisco's values & strong commitment to equality for everyone.' Lee followed that tweet with 'Closest #ChickFilA to San Francisco is 40 miles away & I strongly recommend that they not try to come any closer.'

The proposed bans in Boston and Chicago drew criticism from liberal pundits, legal experts and the American Civil Liberties Union. Kevin Drum of Mother Jones magazine said '[T]here's really no excuse for Emanuel's and Menino's actions... you don't hand out business licenses based on whether you agree with the political views of the executives. Not in America, anyway.'"

question:
Should Snapple be banned in your city because Rush Limbaugh was instrumental in giving theproduct world-wide recognition?

Shoul Godfather Pizza be banned because it was started by a Republican?

Where does the PC crowd really draw the line?