BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Stringsinger
Date: 09 Sep 12 - 10:59 AM

Bush was responsible for the devastation of Katrina and you are naive if you think
Romney would do better.

Obama is still picking up the pieces.

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Bobert
Date: 08 Sep 12 - 08:01 PM

Mao nudged a very backward country a little further down the road toward becoming a modern society...

One cannot appreciate the complexities of doing that by using one's *own* circumstances as the prism with which to judge Mao's importance... Mao didn't operate as this monolithic seer & doer that had complete control over everything in China... China was a tribal nation of half a billion people...

That's all anyone can do... Look around at the circumstances and do the best you can with what you have...

That's what Mao did...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 08 Sep 12 - 05:07 PM

""Who cares who was responsible How about Whay can we do to prevent this from ever happening again?""

The first and most important action required to stop it happening again is surely to find out who is responsible!

How else will you know who to tackle?

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: gnu
Date: 08 Sep 12 - 03:59 PM

Here's something that sounds familiar to me. The Chinese invested in infrastucture and education and, contary to what all the speeches at the recent conventions said, they are kicking ass.

Something puzzles me. If the Chinese are so stunned as me arse like I hear people say, why are there so many of them? Why are we buying so much stuff from them? Why... you get the idea.

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Sawzaw
Date: 08 Sep 12 - 03:10 PM

From a dream/idea to a wish to reality: 30 million people starved to death.

In January 1958, Mao Zedong launched the second Five-Year Plan, known as the Great Leap Forward, a plan intended as an alternative model for economic growth to the Soviet model focusing on heavy industry that was advocated by others in the party. Under this economic program, the relatively small agricultural collectives which had been formed to date were rapidly merged into far larger people's communes, and many of the peasants were ordered to work on massive infrastructure projects and on the production of iron and steel. Some private food production was banned; livestock and farm implements were brought under collective ownership.

Under the Great Leap Forward, Mao and other party leaders ordered the implementation of a variety of unproven and unscientific new agricultural techniques by the new communes. Combined with the diversion of labor to steel production [which was totally worthless melted down scrap iron made in peoples back yard] and infrastructure projects, these projects combined with cyclical natural disasters led to an approximately 15% drop in grain production in 1959 followed by a further 10% reduction in 1960 and no recovery in 1961.

In an effort to win favor with their superiors and avoid being purged, each layer in the party hierarchy exaggerated the amount of grain produced under them. Based on the fabricated success, party cadres were ordered to requisition a disproportionately high amount of the true harvest for state use, primarily in the cities and urban areas but also for export. The net result, which was compounded in some areas by drought and in others by floods, left rural peasants with little food for themselves and many millions starved to death in the largest famine known as the Great Chinese Famine. This famine was a direct cause of the death of some 30 million Chinese peasants between 1959 and 1962 and about the same number of births were lost or postponed. Further, many children who became emaciated and malnourished during years of hardship and struggle for survival died shortly after the Great Leap Forward came to an end in 1962.

"Forward" Sound familiar?

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Sawzaw
Date: 08 Sep 12 - 02:41 PM

I am irked by the fact that Stimulus money was spend on "important" things like ant study and not on things for people. Schools, books computers levees. Thing that will have a lasting benefit for humans like the CCC projects.

We are still benefiting from the CCC and enjoying things that would be unaffordable today.

The Army Corps decided it was "not worth" fixing the levees that failed be cause the parishes were sparsely populated.

But we know more about ants now and the turtles are happier, more so than the people that lost everything they had.

" As the cleanup began Friday, an old debate grew more urgent: Is it worth billions of dollars to build better levees in areas that are sparsely populated and naturally flood-prone?

Since Hurricane Katrina in 2005, the Army Corps of Engineers has backed away from the idea of extending protection across much of south Louisiana, citing doubts about whether improved levees would work and whether the money could be better spent elsewhere.[like ant studies]"

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Ebbie
Date: 07 Sep 12 - 07:45 PM

pdq, you are snide. You know very well that my "wishes" are not unreasonable, unrealistic,or unneeded. Furthermore, they are do-able Many, many cities across this nation have decayed water lines, sewage piping and all that I mentioned. Far better than playing 'catch up' is a plan to get to work on them. Crisis management is far more expensive in the long run.

If I were you, I'd be ashamed of myself.

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Raptor
Date: 07 Sep 12 - 07:41 PM

All the hate for the opposing parties involved here demonstrates why the people who are suffering take a back seat to the cause of finding someone to blame.
The mudslinging on both sides is unbelievable.
Who cares who was responsible How about Whay can we do to prevent this from ever happening again?

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Sep 12 - 07:40 PM

You may call me a dreamer
but I'm not the only one...

Everything good in the world started as a dream or idea, moved on to wish and from wish to reality...

Yeah, we probably won't get anywhere soon but unless we are willing to see the country deterioriat3e down to nothing then there will be a time when the wishes become reality...

b~

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: gnu
Date: 07 Sep 12 - 07:27 PM

Ebbie... hear hear! Shout it out.

Subject: LYR ADD: Wishing Well ~ Paul Rogers
From: pdq
Date: 07 Sep 12 - 07:15 PM

Wishing Well ~

                                             Paul Rogers

Take off your hat
kick off your shoes,
I know you ain't going anywhere.
Run 'round the town
singing your blues
I know you ain't going anywhere.

You have always been
a good friend of mine
but you're always saying farewell
and the only time that you are satisfied
is with your feet in the wishing well.

Throw down your gun
you might shoot yourself,
or is that what you are tryin' to do,
put up a fight
you believe to be right
and someday the sun will shine through.

You have always got
something to hide
something you just can't tell
{ From: http://www.elyrics.net/read/p/paul-rodgers-lyrics/wishing-well-lyrics.html }
and the only time that you are satisfied
is with your feet in the wishing well.

Oh!
But I know what you're wishing for
Love in a peaceful world
Yeah
Love in a peaceful world
Oh! Yeah
Love in a peaceful world

You have always been
a good friend of mine
but you're always saying farewell
and the only time that you are satisfied
is with your feet in the wishing....well.

Yes
I wish you well
I wish you well
everybody has a wish
everybody has a dream
I wish you well.

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Ebbie
Date: 07 Sep 12 - 06:35 PM

Bobert: "If there was ever a time for the nation to buckle down and attack it's infrastructure problems that time is now..."

I fully agree. During the Great Depression a lot of 'make work' gave many Americans a paycheck, everything from the arts to construction, and the country has been better for it ever since.

If crews all across the land were put to work tearing out and replacing cities' plumbing, wiring and fuel lines, erecting or rebuilding bridges, repairing historical landmarks and taking a myriad of other positive steps, this country would come out on the other side fresher, safer and more hopeful.

States and the Federal government could hammer out an equitable plan for the monies needed. In any case, it would pay for itself many times over.

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Sep 12 - 09:18 AM

Bottom line is that New Orleans, while it has some very unique problems, isn't the only city that is a ticking time bomb... New York City, for instance, is built over a maze of 100 year-old-plus infrastructure, including pipes carrying natural gas... The entire Southeast section of the nation's capitol used to be swamp land and if a Katrina were to hit D.C. we'd see some of the same things there... I saw those things happen to Richmond, Va. once during a hurricane and the flooding in Fulton Bottom and East Main Street was horrendous... We have thousands of unsafe bridges that collectively carry millions of cars every single day...

Bottom line, Part 2... If there was ever a time for the nation to buckle down and attack it's infrastructure problems that time is now... Interest rates are low and unemployment high... The deficit isn't our biggest problem right now... Fixing our broken country, putting people back to work and making the country more competitive are...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Sawzaw
Date: 07 Sep 12 - 08:56 AM

A graceful acceptance Bobert. Thanks.

I jumped the gun but in the process I discovered that the money was appropriated and the work began back in 2006 if I am not mistaken. It is very difficult to find.

Also when Katrina hit they were in the process of doing an upgrade that began years before and I don't believe even that upgrade would have saved NO from the flooding. Also the Army corps admitted to screwing up the design and construction and admitted trying to blame it on local authorities.

There is an account on Wikipedia.

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Sep 12 - 09:56 AM

Great, Saws... Now you might request that the name of your thread be changed to something more appropriate...

I do agree that there's a lot more work to be done if folks want to live in a bowl... Me??? I know what water can do to your house... No thanks...

That's why I'm a hillbilly...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Sawzaw
Date: 06 Sep 12 - 09:50 AM

Yep, I was wrong Bobert. They were not Obama's levees.

"With the first contracts for the project awarded in early 2008 and a scant 500 feet left to go, "it's really astonishing that this project has been built so quickly," adds Cindy Brown, who was born and raised in New Orleans and opted to evacuate as Isaac approached. "I'm very appreciative of that."

But residents outside the federally funded system didn't fare as well. Communities along the western edge of Lake Ponchartrain flooded, and then communities on the eastern edge flooded as Isaac's winds shifted.

Plaquemines Parish, which sports an 8-1/2 foot, nonfederal levee, experienced severe flooding that killed two people. Dozens had to be rescued, many of them people who ignored mandatory evacuation orders."

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Sep 12 - 09:01 AM

No, Saws... No "might have been wrong" about it... You ****were wrong***...

BTW, if you want the federal government to spend even more money in New Orleans write or call the Republican reps in the House of Representatives and request that that they approve the funding...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Sawzaw
Date: 06 Sep 12 - 08:34 AM

Obama's levees? I might have been wrong about that:

"With the first contracts for the project awarded in early 2008 and a scant 500 feet left to go, "it's really astonishing that this project has been built so quickly," adds Cindy Brown, who was born and raised in New Orleans and opted to evacuate as Isaac approached. "I'm very appreciative of that."

But residents outside the federally funded system didn't fare as well. Communities along the western edge of Lake Ponchartrain flooded, and then communities on the eastern edge flooded as Isaac's winds shifted.

Plaquemines Parish, which sports an 8-1/2 foot, nonfederal levee, experienced severe flooding that killed two people. Dozens had to be rescued, many of them people who ignored mandatory evacuation orders."

http://www.minnpost.com/christian-science-monitor/2012/09/now-surge-tested-levees-around-new-orleans-get-post-isaac-inspecti

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Sep 12 - 07:26 PM

Forget Sawz on this thread... The title is flawed... It is a lie... Sawz knows it... Everyone else knows it...

Move on... Nothing to see her but a liar who won't accept personal responsibility...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: GUEST,kendall
Date: 05 Sep 12 - 07:21 PM

Never argue with someone whose opinion you do not respect.

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: KB in Iowa
Date: 05 Sep 12 - 05:20 PM

what I am wondering now is were they really Obama's levees. When was the money appropriated? When did the project start?

Let me ge tthis straight. They were Obama's levees when you thought they failed. Now that it looks like those levees held they are not Obama's levees. Sound about right?

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Sawzaw
Date: 05 Sep 12 - 05:15 PM

Well it looks more and more like Bobert might be right but what I am wondering now is were they really Obama's levees. When was the money appropriated? When did the project start?

How come ant research was more important than the levees that failed?

Notice that I treat Bobert with civility and respect but he does not return the respect? Is that what highly educated humanitarians do?

I wonder if DR King ever called anybody a liar.

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Sawzaw
Date: 05 Sep 12 - 04:58 PM

"These people don't deserve this," Democratic Sen. Mary Landrieu told WVUE-TV near Braithwaite, a community flooded to the rooftops when a nearby non-federal levee was overwhelmed by Isaac's storm surge. "We have to fight harder and stronger for protection for everyone. You know, on one side of the levee it's completely dry. Houses are safe. Families are going back to normal. And on the other side, it's a nightmare."

Need more help TIA? Braithwaite, a community meaning a community of people.

Did those people deserve that?

___strongly agree

___somewhat agree

___somewhat disagree

___strongly disagree

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: gnu
Date: 04 Sep 12 - 04:30 PM

Or have a shot and mellow out dude.

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Don Firth
Date: 04 Sep 12 - 03:40 PM

Sawzaw, wipe the froth off your mouth and go get a rabies shot.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 Sep 12 - 03:27 PM

Or simply horseshit.

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Sep 12 - 03:26 PM

No, make that an immature, juvenilistic horseshit rhetorical trick...

The boy is so mentally challenged that he is clueless as to just how mentally challenged his posts read...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 04 Sep 12 - 02:52 PM

Which people specifically?
And what specifically is "that"?

Answer those, and your multiple choice begins to become answerable.
Until then, it is just a horseshit rhetorical trick.

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Sep 12 - 09:47 AM

More truth avoidance by the resident mythology peddler...

Normal...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Sawzaw
Date: 04 Sep 12 - 09:40 AM

Did those people deserve that?

___strongly agree

___somewhat agree

___somewhat disagree

___strongly disagree

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Sawzaw
Date: 04 Sep 12 - 09:38 AM

Did those people deserve that?

___strongly agree

___somewhat agree

___somewhat disagree

___stronly agree

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Sep 12 - 09:23 AM

Depends, Saws...

Today, seeing as you continue to post to a tread that has a bald-faced lie in the title it's...

...lie...

In other words, Saws, ol buddy... You lied, you now know it and rather than take personal responsibility you just attack me???

In other words, part B... Normal...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Sawzaw
Date: 04 Sep 12 - 08:07 AM

"These people don't deserve this," Democratic Sen. Mary Landrieu told WVUE-TV near Braithwaite, a community flooded to the rooftops when a nearby non-federal levee was overwhelmed by Isaac's storm surge. "We have to fight harder and stronger for protection for everyone. You know, on one side of the levee it's completely dry. Houses are safe. Families are going back to normal. And on the other side, it's a nightmare."

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Sawzaw
Date: 04 Sep 12 - 07:05 AM

I am trying to figure out if Bobert's favorite word is lie, hate or kill.

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Sawzaw
Date: 03 Sep 12 - 11:45 AM

The Army Corps of Engineers says it will run computer models to determine whether the New Orleans metropolitan area's new hurricane-protection system exacerbated flooding in areas outside the system that were inundated by Hurricane Isaac's storm surge. Officials in a number of those communities, including Lafitte and St. John the Baptist Parish, have said they believe the improved protection for the city and its inner suburbs helped push the water into areas outside the system.
View map

On Friday, U.S. Sen. David Vitter, R-La., requested that the corps sponsor an independent study to determine whether that is in fact that case. A corps statement issued at 11:30 a.m. today says the corps will model Isaac and its surge; it doesn't say whether the review will be independent.

The statement, from corps spokesman, refers to the claims of exacerbated flooding in areas outside the system as "speculation" and notes that "the footprint of the new (Hurricane and Storm Damage Risk Reduction System) is essentially the same as what was in place prior to Hurricane Katrina."

It also notes that the corps did "extensive modeling" of the surge barrier placed at the Inner Harbor Navigation Canal, and the modeling "demonstrated that the structure caused insignificant unintended consequences."

Of the planned review, the corps statement says: "We expect the results to indicate that changes in surge elevation (as a result of the new system) are minimal but will defer further comment until the science and engineering work is completed."

The corps is working on a timeline for the review, according to the statement, which also says that the corps "wishes to express its deepest sympathies to all citizens suffering losses" from Isaac. The results of the review will be posted online when they are complete, the statement says.

More Here

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Sep 12 - 10:32 PM

No matter... Saws lied!!!

End of story...

Playing his usual games can't change that...

Sawz lied...

Normal...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Don Firth
Date: 02 Sep 12 - 10:08 PM

Ayn Rand considers "social parasites" to be people like the elderly, the homeless, the ill, et al.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: pdq
Date: 02 Sep 12 - 09:56 PM

"... says Brian Fisher at the California Institute of Sciences"

No, Brian Fisher is at the California Academy of Sciences.

I worked there at one time.

Giving money for turtle tunnels, worthy science studies and needed engineering projects are a perfectly good uses of Federal money.

Buying votes by giving money to social parasites isn't a reasonable use of taxpayer's money.

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Don Firth
Date: 02 Sep 12 - 09:40 PM

And Queen Isabella financed Columbus's voyage, when everyone KNOWS that he'll only get as far as the horizon and then fall off the edge of the world!!

You never can tell what scientific research will turn up. It usually pays for itself in the long run. Only the ignorant and the grossly short-sighted begrudge money spent on scientific research.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 02 Sep 12 - 09:38 PM

Republican Congressmen, of course, will slash all budgets down to useless tokens.

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 02 Sep 12 - 09:35 PM

Ant research- the story.
The stimulus bill gave $3 billion to the National Science Foundation. The money was distributed to projects using their peer-review process. The study is on arthropods, a group including ants.
Ants offer insight into climate change, the spread of disease, natural disasters. There are key groups that serve as indicators for other taxa, ants being one of them. "Without them, we wouldn't have a functioning ecosystem," says Brian Fisher at the California Institute of Sciences.
One line bites never tell the whole story or give the reasoning behind a study.

FEMA Budget for 2012 is $45 billion enacted, total request $57 billion. Look in this budget for levee construction. I couldn't find any, most is going to fight terrorism, safeguard borders, etc.

http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/budget-bib-fy2012.pdf

U.S. ARMY CORPS of ENGINEERS Budget
See "President's Fiscal 2013 Budget for U.S. Army Corps of Engineers Civil Works released." and especially "Civil Works Budget for the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers."
http://www.usace.army.mil/Portals/2/docs/civilworks/press_book/budget2013.pdf
$4,731,000,000 provision for the Civil Works program of the U.S.ACE. The summary is on page 4 of the above report.

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Sawzaw
Date: 02 Sep 12 - 08:00 PM

"federal money to support construction on the project never materialized"

"We were told this [the $787 billion stimulus] was going to be a massive infrastructure spending program"

$554,763 to the U.S. Forest Service to allow it to replace the windows in a visitors center at Mount St. Helens, Wash., that is currently closed and which the Forest Service has no plans to reopen.

$1.9 million to allow the California Academy of Sciences to send researchers to the Southwest Indian Ocean Islands and east Africa, to capture, photograph, and analyze thousands of exotic ants--with the photographs to be posted on AntWeb, a Web site devoted to organizing and displaying pictures and information on the world's thousands of ant species.

$677,462 to researchers at Georgia State University to study why monkeys respond negatively to inequity and unfairness.

$712,883 to researchers at Northwestern University using stimulus money in an effort utilizing "artificial intelligence" that will mine jokes from the Internet and "use them to create hilarious presentations that mimic real-life comedians."

$456,663 to University of California, Berkeley to support their getting a better understanding of the global circulation in the atmosphere and altitude of clouds on the planet Neptune.

$294,958 so that researchers at Wake Forest University can study whether Integral Yoga "can be an effective method to reduce the frequency and/or severity of hot flashes" in menopausal women.

$500,000 to pay for blue, 96-gallon, microchip-embedded recycling bins for the city of Dayton, Ohio. "The microchips, which use radio frequency identification technology, are installed in the bin handles, and will be used by the city to track citizen participation in the recycling program." In addition to paying for at least 8,000 bins and equipping collection trucks to read the microchips, another "$500,000 will pay for a consultant to design a campaign promoting recycling."

$25 million to Mt. Snow in West Dover, Vt., to replace the Summit Local and Sunbrook chairlifts, construct a 120-million-gallon storage pond for snowmaking, and install additional snowmaking fan guns that take advantage of a provision in the stimulus that make funds available for ski area capital improvements.

$193,956 to researchers at Houston's Rice University and the University of Texas in Dallas, who are getting money through the National Science Foundation to estimate the impact of stimulus funds on the perceptions of citizens and the choices of local community decision makers or, in other words, to do a stimulus-funding study of how people feel about the stimulus.

$1.1 million to repair a guardrail near a dry man-made lake in the Oklahoma panhandle.

$3.4-million for construction of a 13-foot tunnel near Tallahassee, Fla., that will allow turtles and other wildlife to safely cross U.S. Highway 27.

$1.7 million for pig odor research in Iowa.

All more important than levees to protect peoples' homes and lives.

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Sep 12 - 07:58 PM

Well, here we are pushin' 100 posts and Saws still is as wrong as he was when he started this thread but...

,,,never mind... Normal


B~

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 02 Sep 12 - 06:39 PM

The sentence that should be emphasized is that money for design and construction must come from Congress.
The Corps does what it can, but funds were cut during the Bush administration, and a divided Congress under Obama has done nothing but put important works on the back burner. Note that Parish officials did not blame the Corps, and are working with them.

Put Katrina in the filter to get all the BS threads on this sad story. No point in repeating it all, it is there for the few that might be interested.

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Sawzaw
Date: 02 Sep 12 - 04:19 PM

In October, corps officials said the South Lafourche Levee District’s federal levee system failed its regular inspection. Among problems cited: Some levees were built with substandard material and slopes that are too steep, which the corps says puts the community at risk.

HOUMA â€" A local levee leader is criticizing the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers for not holding up its end of the bargain in providing hurricane protection for south Lafourche residents.

South Lafourche Levee Manager Windell Curole wrote the critical letter to the corps, saying it has provided nothing but “criticism and hardship,â€쳌 as his levee district is facing costly upgrades to bring levees back into compliance after they failed a federal levee inspection.

"You never finished what you agreed to do before, and then you changed the rules on us," Curole said in an interview.

While the Army Corps manages the Larose-to-Golden Meadow levee, the South Lafourche Levee District has done all recent construction on the levee system because federal money to support construction on the project never materialized. The corps authorized the levee system in 1965, but the agency failed to finish the project.

More here

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: EBarnacle
Date: 02 Sep 12 - 04:08 PM

The issue of using corn and sugar is a direct result of laws meant to exclude foreign sugar from the US to favor american farmers. If we wanted to [Read if Congress were interested in protecting consumers] we could lower the cost of alcohol diluted fuel overnight just by making this change.

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: pdq
Date: 02 Sep 12 - 03:17 PM

"Rice, corn, whatever, all are experiencing hefty price increases."

Anybody want to comment on the Harry Reid-Nancy Pelosi bio-fuels bill than is now law?

It demands that we process 35 billion bushels of corn into ethol alcohol each year to be burned in our cars as fuel.

That bill doubled the cost of tacos in this country and Mexico almost overnight.

It also started the clearing of the tiny amount of remaining natural habitat left in the great Midwest so it could be planted in low-yeilding non-watered corn.

Anybody want to comment?

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 02 Sep 12 - 02:48 PM

There has been a 30 percent increase in the price of wheat, and futures traders expect that to increase to 50 percent.

Rice, corn, whatever, all are experiencing hefty price increases.

Grocery prices of necessity will go up because of their higher materials (ingredients) costs.

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: gnu
Date: 02 Sep 12 - 02:32 PM

Q... yup... ya check out the price of bread stuffs in the past week? Here, an increase of over 12% "overnight". If ya wanna buy ONE roll at Sobeys... $0.49 EACH! A fookin little bun or roll is 49p??? My over is gonna get a LOT of use this winter!

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 02 Sep 12 - 01:24 PM

China was a major wheat exporter, but drought and floods this year will cut exports of grains.

China a large rice exporter. 500 (1000M) tonnes in 2011, but 2,583 (1000M)tonnes in 2002; depending on growing conditions.

http://www.indexmundi.com/agriculture/?country=cn&commodity=milled-rice&graph=exports