BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Bobert
Date: 31 Aug 12 - 09:15 AM

Here's the deal, Saws... The Army Corps of Engineers were funded to rebuild the levee and pump systems to keep the Mississippi River and Lake Pontchartrain out of New Orleans... That is where the "federal" responsibility officially ended for the Corps...

However, having learned a few things from Katrina where the "federal" response was dismal the Army Corps under the command of Col. Edward R. Fleming worked closely with FEMA in assisting New Orleans with various problems with levees that were built by the state and local governments... That is what FEMA is supposed to do... That's why we have FEMA... It's for situatuins where the state and local resources aren't sufficient to address a major disaster...

Now, I'll say this: I would be more than willing to have a penny out of every dollar I pay in taxes to go toward funding further work by the Corps inside the city so places like Plaquemines Parish... I'd even pay a little more taxes to achieve that... I mean, New Orleans is a national treasure... There is no other city anything like it...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: catspaw49
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 10:47 PM

Oh fuck Bobertz, why the hell bother? Make it simple.....like this:

Hey Sawzyshortdick. You're an unmitigated asshole. Blow me.

Like that . See?


Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Bobert
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 10:23 PM

Funny, Saws...

I will respond to you tomorrow after researching the loopholes that your right wing bloggers have come up with...

Should have known better than to expect you to accept the truth...

Sorry, folks... I apologize for defending Sawz... Pile on the right wing ideologue wacko as you feel necessary.... He hasn't changed... He was just waiting for his right wing spinners to set the course...

My bad...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Sawzaw
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 10:14 PM

Bullshit Bobert I have agreed with you several times.

But:

Victoria Taft Show on Kpam 860:

One of headlines this week is that the Army Corp of Engineers was rushing to shore up the gaps in the levees around New Orleans. Now as I recall the avowed purpose of the Administration's Stimulus Program passed in 2009 was to support shovel ready infrastructure projects. And what could be more shovel ready and have had more widespread voter support than fortifying the levies around New Orleans?

Allegedly money has been spent on New Orleans environmental and levee restoration (~$14 billion scheduled; allegedly 70% complete); but obviously not enough given the headlines and apparently some levees restored are literally sinking into the muck.

Why didn't this Administration spend more stimulus dollars, more quickly on the New Orleans levees rather than things like turtle tunnels in Florida?? For that matter given the BP oil spill disaster, why wasn't this Administration more supportive of the Louisiana Governor's efforts to build barrier islands and barriers off the Louisiana shoreline to stop the oil spill and to help shelter Louisiana shoreline wetlands?

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Bobert
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 05:11 PM

That's not exactly what he said, Richard... He said that I "might be right"... That's about as far as he went but that ain't like holding pat either... He has never said that I "might be right" about anything...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 05:05 PM

No Bob - he retains the view that Obama screwed up until the contrary is proven. Read it again!

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Bobert
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 04:18 PM

Well, ya'll... I'll have to defend Saws here... After I brought the facts to his attention he did say that I might be right and that if he was wrong that he'd own up to it... Not to worry, he is Sawz so he will screw up again but on this one he might get a pass... Okay, he was a tad quick on the trigger but...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 03:55 PM

The other thing that is remarkable is Sorearse's version of justice: guilty until proven innocent!

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Don Firth
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 03:51 PM

Yeah! Horrible way to go!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: SINSULL
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 03:45 PM

Black Plaque????? They all died of tooth decay?


As to New Orleans:
Brownie is still doing a great job!

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Don Firth
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 03:23 PM

Sawzaw blames Obama for the meteor 65 million years ago that render the dinosaurs extinct.
And the Great Flood in the Bible.
The Vesuvius eruption that destroyed Pompeii.
The Black Plaque that decemated Europe in the Middle Ages.
The Spanish Inquisition.
The Civil War and World Wars I and II.
Teenage acne.
Jock itch.
Etc.

Don Firth

P. S. Not to mention Sawzaw's hemorrhoids. . . .

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: EBarnacle
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 02:27 PM

I spoke with a friend of mine from Baton Rouge a couple of hours ago. The storm lost much of its speed when it came inland. As such, it dumped more water than expected in the area, even though the winds were not as extreme as feared. His area of Baton Rouge lost power, which was restored after a few hours. Local flooding was several feet above expectation and above Katrina levels due to the total amount of water from the storm.

My friend believes that part of the cause of the higher levels was that the levees prevented drainage that occurred when the levees failed during Katrina.

You can't do just one thing.

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Amos
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 02:25 PM

Sawxer, ya really gotta find a cure for this spewing disease ya got yerself. It's, ya know, unbecoming...

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Bill D
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 02:17 PM

So... several people have posted explanations about what levees were involved and who maintains them and who was affected..... all info Sawz could have determined if he were not so anxious to attribute ANY problem possible directly to Obama

Geez.... If Obama were to walk on water, Sawz would claim he was afraid to get his feet wet or avoiding swimming.

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: pdq
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 02:08 PM

Our national news media is absolutely pathetic.

They all keep calling it Hurricane Isaac, even though it is just a tropical storm.

I fend no evidence that it was a hurricane for more than a few hours and that was by just a few mph wind speed.

I find no reliable source that says it was a hurricane when it hit New Orleans.

Katrina was a Category 5 storm for a short time and a Category 3 when it impacted New Orleans.

There is no comparison in strength, but the media babble on and on, trying to generate news, not report it.

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 01:02 PM

Direct quote from the KSBW article Sawzaw linked to in another thread:

"This is a local levee. They knew it's prone to flooding. That's why it was under a mandatory evacuation order. About 20 people or so didn't leave," said Col. Mike Edmonson, superintendent of Louisiana State Police.

The guy said "local levee". That means a levee maintained by local government, not the Corps of Engineers, not President Obama personally, not even the state of Louisiana, but the parish or town itself.

It's probably a good idea to actually read the entirety of an article before citing it as something that substantiates your viewpoint. Otherwise, it might do nothing but help you insert your foot further into your mouth.

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: KB in Iowa
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 10:31 AM

"Isaac arrived seven years after Hurricane Katrina and passed slightly to the west of New Orleans, where the city's fortified levee system easily handled the assault."

This from an article in the St. Pete Times (now called the Tampa Bay Times).

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 10:29 AM

So President Barak Obama, personally roled up hi sleeves, and built the levee did he?
It's the typical dirty tricks misnomer in play again.
Spread enough shit and lies, and hope somebody will believe it.
The same trick is played here to. Apparently Maggie Thatcher owned and ran Britain single handed. It was called Thatcher's Britain, just so they could sling muck at her.

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Bobert
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 10:18 AM

STOP THE PRESSES!!!

Get Ripley on the phone...

Bobert "might be right"... Holy Moly...

I need a drink...

B;~)

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: KB in Iowa
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 10:16 AM

Swing and a miss.

This had nothing to do with what Obama said he would do, says so right in the article (as Richard Bridge pointed out).

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Sawzaw
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 10:15 AM

Bobert:

You may be right and I will be willing to admit I am wrong after the storm is over and all the news is in.

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Greg F.
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 10:07 AM

Problem is God's aim is way off, as usual - he MISSED the Repuublican convention & got those poor slobs in Nawleens..

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: John P
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 10:00 AM

I've been waiting for Pat Robertson to let us know for which sins God is punishing the Republican Party by throwing a hurricane at their convention.

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Bobert
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 09:33 AM

Washington Post:

"In New Orleans, the intricate network of levees, pumps and floodgates built since Katrine was "peforming the way it was designed to' said Rene Poche for the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers."

New York Times:

The levee in question was not built by the Amry Corps of Engineers, which is responsible for the high barriers that line the Mississippi River. Instead, this was a parish "back levee" built to protect the communities from storm surge."

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In other words, Saws, this was on your boy Bobby Jindal since New Orleans, since Katrine, hasn't had the tax receipts to build all the infrastructure within the city that it would take to protect each and every parish... Hey, me being a "liberal" I would love to see the federal government take on that added responsibility but yer guys ain't for spending any addition money inside New Orleans... They say that up to Louisiana and New Orleans...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Sawzaw
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 09:22 AM

Wed Aug 29, 2012 at 05:36 AM PDT

Isaac Hits West Miss Delta, Federal New Orleans Levees Will Be OK

Don't worry about the federal levees around New Orleans. President Obama has this under control. He has made sure that the Federal government is prepared. The pumps are ready, the levees are repaired and emergency crews are waiting to spring into action. Republicans can party on in Tampa without worry because a Democrat is president.

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Sawzaw
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 09:13 AM

"I don't go out of my way to find him but when he attacks I counter"

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Bobert
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 07:45 AM

Saws shows his blind hate and ignorance yet again...

((((((((((((((((((((yawn))))))))))))))))))))

B~

Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 06:58 AM

Why not read before posting, sorearse?

"Plaquemines Parish was outside the city limits that benefited from the beefing up of New Orleans' flood defenses"

Subject: BS: IsaacGate: Obama's Levees Fail
From: Sawzaw
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 06:53 AM

Well Well Well

"As president, Barack Obama will ensure that New Orleans has a levee and pumping system to protect the city against a 100-year storm by 2011, with the ultimate goal of protecting the entire city from a Category 5 storm. Obama will also direct revenues from offshore oil and gas drilling to increased coastal hurricane protection."

Hurricane Isaac tops Louisiana levee on Katrina anniversary

(Reuters) - Hurricane Isaac drove water over the top of a levee on the outskirts of New Orleans on Wednesday, triggering life-threatening flooding seven years to the day after Hurricane Katrina, authorities said.

Emergency management officials in low-lying Plaquemines Parish reported the overtopping of the 8 or 9 foot (2.4 or 2.7 meter) high levee between the Braithwaite and White Ditch districts southeast of New Orleans.

Plaquemines Parish President Billy Nungesser said about 2,000 residents of the area had been ordered to evacuate but only about half were confirmed to have gotten out before Isaac brought driving winds and rain beginning late on Tuesday.

"On the east bank right now, we have reports of people on their roofs and attics and 12 to 14 foot (3.6-4.2 meters) of water (in their homes)," Nungesser told CNN.

"This storm has delivered more of a punch than people thought," he added.

It was not immediately clear how many people may have been stranded in the area, as torrential rain and hurricane-force winds prevented a full-scale search.

"The sheriff's deputies are over there but all the roads are unpassable ... We don't know if some people are left behind and now we can't get there and there is no way we can operate a boat or an air boat in these winds," Nungesser said.

Isaac was the first test for multibillion-dollar flood defenses built after levees failed under Katrina's storm surge, leaving large parts of New Orleans swamped and killing 1,800 people, the costliest natural disaster in U.S. history.

Plaquemines Parish was outside the city limits that benefited from the beefing up of New Orleans' flood defenses.

Hundreds in and around New Orleans drowned in 2005 and many survivors waited for days to be plucked from their rooftops by helicopter. New Orleans endured days of deadly disorder and widespread looting.

While not nearly as strong as Katrina - a Category 3 hurricane when it slammed into New Orleans on August 29, 2005 - Isaac, with Category 1 winds up to 80 mph (130 kph), was a threat that authorities said should not be underestimated.

At 7 a.m. EDT (1100 GMT), Isaac was about 50 miles (75 km) south-southwest of New Orleans and packing top sustained winds of 80 miles (130 km) an hour, the U.S. National Hurricane Center said.

It said hurricane force winds extended outward up to 60 miles (95 km) from the storm's center.

Isaac was slogging west-northwestward near 6 mph (9 kph), a slow pace that increases the threat of rain-induced flooding.

WIDESPREAD FLOODING EXPECTED

Isaac killed at least 23 people and caused significant flooding and damage in Haiti and the Dominican Republic before skirting the southern tip of Florida on Sunday and heading across the warm waters of the Gulf of Mexico.

It spared Tampa, Florida, where the Republican National Convention is being held. But it forced party leaders to reshuffle the schedule and tone down what some might have seen as excess celebration about Mitt Romney's presidential nomination as Gulf Coast residents faced danger.

The leading edge of the storm was felt along the Gulf Coast starting late Tuesday, and authorities had warned it could flood towns in Mississippi and Alabama, as well as Louisiana, with storm surges of up to 12 feet (3.7 meters).

Rainfall accumulations, potentially totaling as much as 20 inches (50 cm) in some areas, were expected to trigger widespread flooding.

Energy companies along the Gulf Coast refining center braced for the storm's impact by shuttering some plants and running others at reduced rates ahead of Isaac's landfall.

Oil production in the U.S. Gulf of Mexico nearly ground to a halt and ports and coastal refineries curtailed operations.

Intense hurricanes such as Katrina - which took out 4.5 million barrels per day of refining capacity at one point - have flooded refineries, keeping them closed for extended periods and reducing fuel supplies.

This time, though, the U.S. Department of Energy estimated that only 12 percent of the Gulf Coast's refining capacity had gone offline. Louisiana usually processes more than 3 million barrels per day of crude into products like gasoline.