native americans took the land!!!!!!

Subject: RE: native americans took the land!!!!!!
From: ollaimh
Date: 21 Nov 12 - 01:11 PM

the idea that native americans killed oof the mamoths and other mega fauna was popular twentyb years ago but the scianece does not support that. q, you are near the tyrell royal museum, you can get the real information from those people.


what a racists like peasant dosn't care about is the intentional killing off of natice children all across north america in the residential schools, which had death rates often exceeding fifty per cent. the bryce report from thechief medical officer for residential schools in 1908 confirmed just that. he described the deprival of nutrition and health care as iuntentional and criminal.. these conditions existed in the united states as well and continued untill the sixties. some even into the eighties.

the failue to address the genocide is what makes america and canada illegitimate states.    UNITED STATES OUT OF AMERICA!!!!

Subject: RE: native americans took the land!!!!!!
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 21 Nov 12 - 12:26 PM

Chongo, another one of the mudcat below the belt peculiars.

Subject: RE: native americans took the land!!!!!!
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 21 Nov 12 - 12:16 PM

Boy, talk about yer poopflingin'! The guy that started this thread must sure be desperate for attention. ;-D

- Chongo

Subject: RE: native americans took the land!!!!!!
From: GUEST,999
Date: 21 Nov 12 - 10:58 AM

"native americans took the land"

Where'd they take it to?

Subject: RE: native americans took the land!!!!!!
From: Bill D
Date: 21 Nov 12 - 10:57 AM

Back under your bridge........

Subject: RE: native americans took the land!!!!!!
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 21 Nov 12 - 10:25 AM

Bloodthirsty killers.
=(:-( O)

Subject: RE: native americans took the land!!!!!!
From: Bill D
Date: 21 Nov 12 - 10:05 AM

Remember... when the native Americans were first finding the bison, there were HUGE numbers. They couldn't imagine that killing a few more than they needed would make much difference. If YOU saw a way to get dinner & supplies without running up close and putting your life in danger, what would YOU do... go read a book on environmental conservation and attend a lecture by PETA first?

Subject: RE: native americans took the land!!!!!!
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 21 Nov 12 - 09:50 AM

Reading more of that Wiki article turns up the fact that they used every part of those buffalo, to make their clothing, footware, tools, utensils, bowstrings, ropes and even their tepees, drying the excess meat into pemmican for later consumption while on the move.

Given the energy required for hunting, it's very likely they didn't hunt again until the last of that meat was nearly consumed.

In contrast, the buffalo hunters who supplied the army, railroad and telegraph contingents, shot millions of buffalo and took the tongues and hearts, leaving the carcases to rot and scandalising the Indians, who couldn't understand that degree of waste.

In the end it proved a useful genocidal tool for the white men, virtually starving the nomadic Indians intosubmission.

DonT.

Subject: RE: native americans took the land!!!!!!
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 21 Nov 12 - 09:11 AM

Cannibals!!!
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Subject: RE: native americans took the land!!!!!!
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 21 Nov 12 - 08:13 AM

It probably is silly, Kendall, as I implied in my caveat at end of my post; but I think it probable that they were not conscious conservationists either. They lived on, & off, the land, without probably thinking too much about the morality of the matter but just to keep going. The 'herd over a cliff' hyperbole is probably mythical, but I expect they killed more bison than they actually required for immediate dietary need. Many tribes were, culturally, hunting people, after all.

~M~

Subject: RE: native americans took the land!!!!!!
From: kendall
Date: 21 Nov 12 - 07:51 AM

The Indians never drove a herd of Bison over a cliff just to get a steak dinner! Thats silly.

Subject: RE: native americans took the land!!!!!!
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 21 Nov 12 - 06:29 AM

Are who cannibals Henry? The Aborigines?

Subject: RE: native americans took the land!!!!!!
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 21 Nov 12 - 04:36 AM

Are they cannibals?
=(:-( P)

Subject: RE: native americans took the land!!!!!!
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 21 Nov 12 - 03:16 AM

I have heard it said of the Australian Aborigines that their contribution to Australia is that after 10,000 years of living there, they left the land just as they found it. (No small achievement)

Subject: RE: native americans took the land!!!!!!
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 21 Nov 12 - 01:42 AM

Bones 13 feet deep. Murderous bastards!!
=(:-( 0)

Subject: RE: native americans took the land!!!!!!
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 21 Nov 12 - 12:58 AM

'So, were the Indians responsible for the massive deforestation and the slaughter of countless herds of wildlife?' ,,,,
.,,.,.
No, Joe: but, arguably, only cos they didn't have the resources. As a character in one of David Lodge's novels points out to a well-meaningly 'liberal progressive' fellow-guest, they were "the guys who would drive a whole herd of buffalo over a cliff just to get themselves a steak for dinner". He also asserted that Chief Seattle's supposed 1854 speech, about 'our belonging to the land, not the land to us', was actually the invention of a 1950s tv documentary scriptwriter.

I do not put these forward as clinching arguments ~~ I admit I haven't entirely researched the matter, just read 'Bury My Heart' &c, & my views are thus of necessity second-hand~~ but simply as points to consider.

~M~

Subject: RE: native americans took the land!!!!!!
From: Noreen
Date: 20 Nov 12 - 11:09 PM

wiki : Buffalo jump

Thanks Rap- I didn't know about this.

And thanks, Joe, for Uncle Dave's Grace :)

Subject: RE: native americans took the land!!!!!!
From: Rapparee
Date: 20 Nov 12 - 09:15 PM

So what else is new?

(Joe, look into "buffalo jumps" and the wastage associated therewith.)

Subject: RE: native americans took the land!!!!!!
From: Wesley S
Date: 20 Nov 12 - 08:18 PM

Please Joe. Don't use logic in an argument like this - it would just be wasted.

Subject: RE: native americans took the land!!!!!!
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 20 Nov 12 - 08:14 PM

They eliminated some of the edibles, such as the mammoth. But yes, the real damage started with Uncle Dave's antecedents.

Subject: RE: native americans took the land!!!!!!
From: Joe Offer
Date: 20 Nov 12 - 06:24 PM

So, were the Indians responsible for the massive deforestation and the slaughter of countless herds of wildlife? How many species did they bring to extinction? How many exotic plants and animals and insects and diseases did they bring to America?

No, the Native Americans weren't perfect, but they made a much smaller footprint on the Americans, than the Europeans did.

This Thanksgiving, I think it's important for us all to remember Uncle Dave's Grace...

-Joe-

Subject: RE: native americans took the land!!!!!!
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 20 Nov 12 - 12:42 PM

Misanthropy is valid.
=(:-( ))

Subject: RE: native americans took the land!!!!!!
From: *#1 PEASANT*
Date: 20 Nov 12 - 12:42 PM

Ok dispute the facts then wise guy!

Subject: RE: native americans took the land!!!!!!
From: GUEST,999
Date: 20 Nov 12 - 12:34 PM

That post is what happens as your last brain cell succumbs to disease. Let it be a lesson to all.

Subject: native americans took the land!!!!!!
From: *#1 PEASANT*
Date: 20 Nov 12 - 12:29 PM

Get over it!

native Americans took the land from the earth mother, plants and animals etc....

then they started to kill and eat

then started pollution

We can thank the native americans for beginning the polution of the new world

then they went about taking land from each other before any european got there!

Sinnerss all just have thanksgiving that we survived!

Conrad