BS: Syria: the new nightmare?

Subject: RE: BS: Syria: the new nightmare?
From: Stringsinger
Date: 08 Dec 12 - 03:53 PM

999, beware of propaganda for the pretext of a U.S. invasion of Syria. It hasn't yet been established that Assad is using sarin. He might be capable of that then again he has everything to lose if he does.

Remember that Agent Orange was a chemical weapon used in Vietnam.

Meanwhile the U.S. is applying gunboat diplomacy off the shores of Syria by
deploying troops, battle ships and weapons.

How about another war? Would that make everyone happy?

Subject: RE: BS: Syria: the new nightmare?
From: bobad
Date: 08 Dec 12 - 04:16 PM

There already is another war - stopping it would make a lot of people not dead.

Subject: RE: BS: Syria: the new nightmare?
From: bobad
Date: 21 Nov 16 - 08:27 AM

VIDEO of a children's hospital in Aleppo being bombed. It is one of many hospitals that have been deliberately targeted by Assad and the Russians. Notice there has not been one single peep from the resident phony social justice warriors. Any guess as to why that is? You can be sure that if the Israelis were doing this there would be multiple threads with thousands of posts condemning them with vehemence and bold, multi-coloured, upper case invective.

Subject: RE: BS: Syria: the new nightmare?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Nov 16 - 08:51 AM

"Notice there has not been one single peep from the resident phony social justice warriors"
A total lie Bobad - there has been outright condemnation of what has happened in Syria from day one - with the exception of your tiny handful of friends who opposed the sending in of troops when he could have been stopped and their full support of selling him ammunition and riot control equipment.
Your crocodile tears for the situation in Aleppo is put into context with your open support for the destruction of schools, hospitals and community shelters by your Israeli friends - particularly in 2015.
We condemn all such acts - you are happy to support one side and use Syria against those who oppose all State terrorism.
Syrian and Israeli fascism are two sides of the same coin.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syria: the new nightmare?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Nov 16 - 08:53 AM

By the way - sing the fall of Communism, Russia is one of the good guys - it is part of "The Free world" nowadays and a very fine example if it.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syria: the new nightmare?
From: bobad
Date: 21 Nov 16 - 09:46 AM

We have noticed your outright condemnation of the massive slaughter of civilians carried out by the "good guys" as they target markets, hospitals, schools and homes.

Subject: RE: BS: Syria: the new nightmare?
From: Iains
Date: 21 Nov 16 - 09:50 AM

How the western world can condemn Assad while condoning Saudi bombing the Yemen escapes me. Syria had a stable secular government and Assad was re elected with a majority in a widely supervised election.
Saudi by contrast is a one religion state with medieval, barbaric practises where women cannot even drive cars.
The true reason for destabilisation in Syria is to run a pipeline to take Quatari gas to europe. There is a lot of American smoke blowing about good and bad terrorists.
Putin's take is that a good terrorist no longer scavenges oxygen. Having seen what a fine job was done in Iraq and Libya, Assad invited Russia to come to his aid. Legally Russia and her allies are the only legitimate entities there. Everyone else is invading a sovereign nation.

Subject: RE: BS: Syria: the new nightmare?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Nov 16 - 10:16 AM

"How the western world can condemn Assad while condoning Saudi bombing the Yemen escapes me"
Who on earth does?
Cameron went to pay homage at the funeral of the Saudi Patriarch while a journalist was being administered 1000 lashes for speaking out of turn - who can condone that - except the British right?
Shortly after Arabs began their protest over the social conditions and lack of freedom in several countries, that same Cameron launched a massive arms fair so sell arms to despots like the Saudi rulers (who used them in Yemen) and right-wing regimes like Bahrain and Israel - who can condone that - except the British right?
Where were you people when we were condemning the sale of chemicals possibly being used for stockpiling weapons by the Assad regime.
We have condemned every aspect of this war, including Britain's appeasing of the regime, while you turds stayed silent - or, in a couple of cases, actually supported the sale of equipment to repress the protestors.
Don't come this shit Bobad - appeasement of terrorism is your bag - not ours
That goes for both of you, with your latest support for the new fascist on the block - Trump
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syria: the new nightmare?
From: Iains
Date: 21 Nov 16 - 10:37 AM

Where are the sanctions on Saudi? They do not exist. Why do we have sanctions on Syria? Because of cheap propaganda that the gullible believe without question. As yet there has been no proof offered that Assad had used chemical weapons, but the US has admitted to using depleted uranium( a true weapon of mass destruction) in Syria while participating in a totally illegal war. Also many of the terrorists fighting there are both trained and supported by the US.

Subject: RE: BS: Syria: the new nightmare?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Nov 16 - 10:51 AM

"Where are the sanctions on Saudi? They do not exist. Why do we have sanctions on Syria"
Go and ask the Government - I have no idea how their double standards work.
They have known about the Syrian torture chambers and "disappearing" of many thousands of their opponents for nearly twenty years, yet they remained lose friends with the Assad family - like the Saudis, they considered both a 'safe pair of hands'
Action against Assad was only taken when the massacre of the Syrian people became impossible to ignore, and then it was only half-arsed.
Apparently we need Saudi to keep our SUVs on the road - money wins out over humanity every time.
Cheap Propaganda
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2016/08/harrowing-accounts-of-torture-inhuman-conditions-and-mass-deaths-in-syrias-prisons/
MORE "CHEAP PROPAGANDA"
Is Syria another of your crusades, alongside of Trump?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syria: the new nightmare?
From: bobad
Date: 21 Nov 16 - 11:27 AM

There Are Reportedly No Hospitals Left in Aleppo

Russian and Syrian strikes on rebel-held eastern Aleppo have reportedly taken out the last hospitals that serve the 250,000 civilians who still live in the city.

The Atlantic

Subject: RE: BS: Syria: the new nightmare?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Nov 16 - 11:29 AM

TRUMP on SYRIA

TRUMP on SAUDI ARABIA

SEVEN FASCIST REGIMES ENTHUSIASTICALLY SUPPORTED by AMERICA
Where America goes, Britain obediently follows.
RIGHT WING BRITAIN

Take your pick
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syria: the new nightmare?
From: Iains
Date: 21 Nov 16 - 11:53 AM

I have no doubt if there was no oil and no pipeline routes in the middle east there would likely be no wars either. But the politicians will never tell the true story.

Subject: RE: BS: Syria: the new nightmare?
From: bobad
Date: 21 Nov 16 - 11:58 AM

Here's some of what the "good guys" are up to in Syria.

Syria's war: 'Russian air raids kill 9,400 in one year'
        
Russia, Syrian army accused of destroying hospital, killing at least 2

SYRIA CARNAGE Russia has killed more civilians than ISIS as Putin's jets blitz war-ravaged Syria

Aleppo horror: dozens of civilians killed in Russian and Syrian strikes

Russian airstrikes in Syria killed 2,000 civilians in six months

Moscow 'killing more civilians than Isis' in Syria

UN slams Russia, Syria for killing children in Aleppo

Subject: RE: BS: Syria: the new nightmare?
From: Iains
Date: 21 Nov 16 - 12:22 PM

Bobad
of course all your quoted sources have an impeccable provenance.
We all know the mainstream news will never tell a lie.

Subject: RE: BS: Syria: the new nightmare?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Nov 16 - 01:48 PM

Not quite sure of the point of all your links is - nobody here is supporting Russian action - the atrocities carried out by Russia are indisputable.
Russia is now part of the "Free World" so any atrocities they carry out are of the Free world, as is Israel - America was leader of the Free World while it was pouring burning petrol on the Vietnamese and spraying their crops with carcinogenic chemicals
The more thoughtful among us question the the "free" when applied to such countries.
What is interesting here is that neither of you pair of idiots seem to be aware that the actions of Saudi are no better or worse than those carried out by Russia in Syria - I believe you disputed this Ians - ot did I misunderstand your "cheap propaganda" reference.
Keep up lads - it really isn't too hard to understand.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syria: the new nightmare?
From: Iains
Date: 21 Nov 16 - 02:04 PM

No doubt time will tell who are the goodies and who are the baddies. I have my views on it, others have theirs. Russia was invited in by the legitimate government. America is there illegally as has been pointed out.

Subject: RE: BS: Syria: the new nightmare?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Nov 16 - 03:03 PM

"legitimate government"#
Can a state headed by a mass murderer be described as having a "legitimate government"?
Not in my book
Wonder where that puts Nazi Germany !!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syria: the new nightmare?
From: Iains
Date: 21 Nov 16 - 03:53 PM

I would be surprised if there are many governments in the world with clean hands. Britain especially has a murky past. You should also realise that most of the middle east is an artificial construct with borders placed as pretty lines on a largely british map. I think you will find in years to come that the so called arab spring was largely a movement of farmers to the cities due to the Levant being in the grip of the worst drought in 900 years.
Mr Carroll you seem very selective in those governments you wish to condemn. I would recommend you put down whatever sources you use and cast your information net wider and hopefully get a more balanced view.

Subject: RE: BS: Syria: the new nightmare?
From: bobad
Date: 21 Nov 16 - 03:58 PM

The Syrian government forfeited it's legitimacy when it ordered security forces to kill unarmed protesters.

Subject: RE: BS: Syria: the new nightmare?
From: akenaton
Date: 21 Nov 16 - 04:05 PM

Ians, Jim is a devout "liberal".....he has but one mindset, the one projected by the media and the political elite.

Thinking outside of the box is a cardinal sin, despite his protests to the contrary he and his little gang of like minds are where they are told to be, several decades behind the game.

Subject: RE: BS: Syria: the new nightmare?
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 Nov 16 - 06:08 PM

Gee, Bubo, I seem to recall another middle-eastern country running bulldozers over unarmed protesters & such like.....

Subject: RE: BS: Syria: the new nightmare?
From: bobad
Date: 21 Nov 16 - 08:29 PM

Right, one was an accident the other a government ordered killing - exactly the same thing...........idiot!

Subject: RE: BS: Syria: the new nightmare?
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 Nov 16 - 09:58 PM

You missed the "& such like" apparently, Bubo.

Subject: RE: BS: Syria: the new nightmare?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Nov 16 - 04:45 AM

"Mr Carroll you seem very selective in those governments you wish to condemn."
I think you'll fnd the reverse is the case - anybody who describes condemnation of Syria as "cheap propaganda" and refuses to respond to the facts of what has happened there over numerous decades leaves themselves with little room to make such accusations..
"Jim is a devout "liberal"
You can hurl this statement about without qualifying it as many times as you like, but until you disprove that fact that, by definition, to b a socialist is to be on the left, your ignorance of politics will continue to shine like a lighthouse - as will your hated of minorities and your adherence to the state underline your fascism.
Any moron can repeat untruths without attempting to prove them - anout the only thing you have ever proved on this forum.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syria: the new nightmare?
From: Iains
Date: 22 Nov 16 - 04:59 AM

mr carroll



    "Learn how to see. Realize that everything connects to everything else"

Leonardo Da Vinci

Subject: RE: BS: Syria: the new nightmare?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Nov 16 - 06:43 AM

"Learn how to see. Realize that everything connects to everything else"
Leonardo Da Vinci

"Without context or explanation that statement is meaningless"
Jim Carroll

It would be good if you actually responded to Syria's terrorism raher than appeasing it though!
I very much doubt if there's too much chance of that happening though - waddya think?
"Mr Carroll"
Your frosty, disapproving tone gives you the air of a Dickensian schoolmaster.
I really don't have any problem with people using my first name - even those I find somewhat strange, but maybe some people prefer that to honest, friendly debate!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syria: the new nightmare?
From: bobad
Date: 22 Nov 16 - 11:29 AM

The Assad regime in Syria has killed More Palestinians than Israel has In 60 years.

No outrage about that from our resident phony social justice warriors who hypocritically only care about the Palestinians when they are killed as a result of wars waged by the terrorist groups Hamas and Hezbollah against Israel.

No Jews, no news.

Subject: RE: BS: Syria: the new nightmare?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Nov 16 - 01:10 PM

"The Assad regime in Syria has killed More Palestinians than Israel has In 60 years."
For fucks sake - what kind of an animal tots up the dead to make points?
Both are terrorist states - who cares which of them marks up the highest score?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syria: the new nightmare?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Nov 16 - 01:26 PM

Bobad
You seem to be implying that somebody is appeasing Syrian terrorism here
The only one who is so far is your running mate who has dismissed condemnation of the Assad regime as "cheap propaganda"
Perhaps you should address your remarks to him?
Of the two, Israel is by far the most dangerous - unless Syria has acquired nuclear weapons without us knowing about it.
Syria is not carrying out a policy of ethnic cleansing and it appears to be a moderate state as far as religion is concerned
That doesn''t lessen its crimes against humanity and war crimes, but it removes the "chosen by god" aspect of its terrorism from the equasion.
Israel on the other hand, is guilty of both and, as anybody knows, if a religion driven terrorist state has a bomb - DUCK!!!!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syria: the new nightmare?
From: Iains
Date: 23 Nov 16 - 11:51 AM

Jim,
you have a very black and white take on the world. I think you would find it hard to find anyone on this forum that would not condemn the situation in Syria. However allocating blame for the situation having arisen is no easy task. You make all manner of sweeping assertions with great confidence in the veracity of your sources. I dispute the veracity of your sources and your interpretation of events. There are multiple agendas at play in Syria and untangling the truth is near impossible. The western recognition of good and bad terrorists should give anyone pause for thought.

Subject: RE: BS: Syria: the new nightmare?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Nov 16 - 12:46 PM

"However allocating blame for the situation having arisen is no easy task. "
It is if you are interested in the subject
Syria is in the hands of a despot who has been torturing and killing his opponents and ordinary Syrian people who got in his way for several decades - we know this from Amnesty reports (one of which you have been given).
Assad al Bashir's response to the Arab Spring protests was extreme and Britain decided to turn the other way and do nothing when the killing escalated in Homs - there's a very long and disgusting thread on it.
It's not strictly true that we completely turned our backs - our 'representatives' in Westminster were quite happy to sell riot equipment, armoured cars, water cannons.... etc., to help suppress the protests, having licensed at least one shipment of sniper ammunition previously.
The protests turned into a civil war, Russia and China vetoed U.N. action and the U.N. did nothing - our Parliament actually voted not to intervene even when the extent of the massacres were known.
Isis moved in, people with a genuine belief in modernising Syria were sucked in and, for political convenience, are now labelled "terrorists", which they are not.
The British establishment has now, humanitarian as they are, turned their backs on the refugees driven out by the conflict and Eorope is carrying dead children OUT of the SEA.
The great danger now is that, once Isis is defeated the opposition forces will begin fighting each other.
If there had been significant supplies of oil involved, none of this would have been allowed to happen - the U.S, marines would have been up the beach faster than a Bondi surfer and we'd have been right there behind them to blow their noses and wipe their bums.
Western Governments never did let Humanitarian considerations get in the way of political and economic self-interest.
There - not complicated at all really.
Now - what's your version of events?
Please don't patronise me, but by all means feel free to provide alternative information to fill in my ignorance.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syria: the new nightmare?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Nov 16 - 12:52 PM

By the way - a matter of semantics, I suppose
You do not "dispute" the veracity..... etc.
You have never referred to them in my presence - I'm not sure you know who they are (apart from that very biased and Partisan Human Rights charity 'Amnesty!!)
So far you have just denied what I have said without putting anything in its place - different kettle of dingbats altogether.
Jim Carroll.

Subject: RE: BS: Syria: the new nightmare?
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Nov 16 - 12:58 PM

allocating blame for the situation having arisen is no easy task.

Sure it is. No Problem!

According to the Trumpists and their supporters on this forum (names available upon request) it's all Hillary Clinton's fault, dontcha know.

Subject: RE: BS: Syria: the new nightmare?
From: Iains
Date: 23 Nov 16 - 01:19 PM

Isis moved in, people with a genuine belief in modernising Syria were sucked in and, for political convenience, are now labelled "terrorists", which they are not.

Jim your problem would seem to be a bit more severe than semantics.
I find your mindset quite fascinating.

Was it not Goebbels that said: ... people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it. You prove to be the perfect example.

Subject: RE: BS: Syria: the new nightmare?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Nov 16 - 01:40 PM

"I find your mindset quite fascinating. "
You're patronising again - somewhat pompously this tim
Instead of the bullshit quotes - where is your alternative scenario?
Are you seriously suggesting Amnesty is lying?
As the song says;
"Then bring your witness love
And I'll never deny you".
I assume you never read the 'Homs Horror" thread otherwise you would not be so foolhardy as to venture into this particular quagmire?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syria: the new nightmare?
From: bobad
Date: 23 Nov 16 - 04:45 PM

"In all, six people were killed—an entire family comprising a couple and their four young children. According to one account, they were hiding in a bomb shelter when a helicopter dropped the chlorine-laden canisters, and were unable to escape in time. Graphic footage broadcast by the AMC showed the lifeless corpses of the girl and three boys, their faces discolored, eyes glazed, mouths wide open. "Where are the Arabs? Where are they?" an agitated man asks repeatedly as the camera films. "If the Arabs were united, Bashar wouldn't have done this to us. But the Arab states are all traitors."

Assad Just Gassed an Entire Family to Death

Subject: RE: BS: Syria: the new nightmare?
From: Iains
Date: 24 Nov 16 - 03:42 AM

I assume the destruction of vast swathes of the world heritage site of Palmyra was part of the modernisation of Syria by Isis.
You do talk some absolute rubbish Jim.

Subject: RE: BS: Syria: the new nightmare?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Nov 16 - 04:09 AM

"I assume the destruction of vast swathes of the world heritage site of Palmyra was part of the modernisation of Syria by Isis."
Why should you assume such a thing - what a stupid thing to say - who else has suggested it?
You and Bobad are the only ones supporting extreme terrorism in any way.
Even bobad's 'condemnation of Assad's behavior is incomplete - he neglects to mention the support from Britain to enable him to carry out such acta - including the sale of chemicals that may have enabled him to build up the stockpile of chemical weapons he uses against his people.
No, straw men and bluster aside - I gave you my account of what has happened in Syria - where is your alternative - "absolute rubbish" doesn't hack it.
I suggest you put up put up some real facts rather than the insults you objected to so strongly not sol long ago when you believed they were being aimed at you.
C'mon - give us something to work on - this is all evasive shit.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syria: the new nightmare?
From: Teribus
Date: 24 Nov 16 - 06:09 AM

Fear not, JOM (Voice of the People) is perfectly prepared to be charged with and found guilty of things he MAY HAVE DONE without any "evidence" being produced. After all those are his rules aren't they?

Subject: RE: BS: Syria: the new nightmare?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Nov 16 - 06:17 AM

"MAY HAVE DONE without any "evidence""
The evidence of Assad's crimes have been produced and are fully accepted by the world despite your defending his being sold ammunition, chemicals and riot control equipment.
Not surprised you are prepered to defend him though - that seems to be what you go for.

"Fear not, JOM ("
From another thread - it will go up each time you express your insecurity in this way

"A reminder
"Here is a link for you Jom:"
"By the way JOM"
"how boastful a man can get doesn't it JOM?"
"Don't worry JOM"
"every time you mention the name Woodcock I know I've got through to you and you are getting rattled."
You really should read our own posts sometime - it would help avoid the foot-in-mouths - the "Rattle of an Simple Man", as the screenplay writer described it.
Jim Carroll"

Subject: RE: BS: Syria: the new nightmare?
From: Iains
Date: 24 Nov 16 - 07:33 AM

http://www.globalresearch.ca/voices-from-syria-refute-western-propaganda-us-nato-supported-terrorists-involved-in-countless-atro

This does not quite follow your narrative Jim.
You tell me where the truth lies, and the proof.

Subject: RE: BS: Syria: the new nightmare?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Nov 16 - 08:18 AM

"This does not quite follow your narrative Jim."
Neither does it contradict the masses of real information that is available on the masses of atrocities committed by the Syrian regime, much of which has been given already on other threads
Jad Nasr is who he is - a sometimes translator for the Syrian Government
Jad Nasr lives in Syria. He's 29, and he has a Master's in English literature. He sometimes uses his considerable talents by serving as translator for high Syrian dignitaries, such as the Grand Mufti.
It really does take one swallow to make a summer.
Can we clear one thing up - are you actually claiming that the torture, massacres, chemical attacks, shooting down of women and children on the streets, decades of repression and mass murder..... are any way in doubt.
Is that what you are suggesting?
I have to say that this is a first for Mudcat.
As much as Teribus and Keith have attempted to justify having dealings with this terrorist regime, they have not gone do far to defend it, as extremist right as they are.
Is that your position - that all this might not have happened?
If so, you are going to do better than this   
THE ASSAD FILES
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syria: the new nightmare?
From: Teribus
Date: 25 Nov 16 - 02:32 AM

"The evidence of Assad's crimes have been produced and are fully accepted by the world" - Jim Carroll

I do not think that any disputes that statement.

The dispute centres around your Walter Pardon and the Rolling Stones claims about the British Government supplying Assad with the means with which to carry out his democide.

1: You have no proof whatsoever that ammunition was EVER supplied, only that ONE export licence was issued in 2009. ALL export licences were revoked in 2010 and the uprising and civil unrest did not start in Syria until 2011.

2: BIS conducted an investigation into the chemicals sent to Syria and found that the quantity supplied matched production of the products by the "end user" companies stated on the export documentation. Those chemicals exported to Syria between 2004 and 2010 could therefore not possibly have been used in the manufacture of chemical weapons used by Assad since 2012.

3: Jim Carroll also claimed and provided a link that he claimed stated that electrical good supplied from a company in the UK had been used by the Assad regime to torture rebel prisoners and sympathisers - the report by the NGO he provided a link to of course stated nothing of the sort.

Subject: RE: BS: Syria: the new nightmare?
From: Teribus
Date: 25 Nov 16 - 03:00 AM

The article that Iains has provided the link for seems highly implausible and is undoubtedly biased.

Unrest in Syria has always boiled away just below the surface, the secular Ba'athist regime in Syria run by the minority Alawites ruled the country by fear and repression in exactly the same way that the Ba'athist regime did in Iraq before the toppling of Saddam Hussein.

It was an unprovoked assault by a police officer on a man in January 2011 that sparked off unrest and civil disobedience in Syria. The Daraa raid was a raid by the Syrian police to arrest 15 children who were suspected of daubing walls with anti-government/anti-Assad slogans. The first deaths were the result of police officers firing on a civilian crowd of demonstrators from inside ambulances. I wonder why Jad Nasr and Ms Kortwright found it essential to omit that part of the tragedy from their article.

Subject: RE: BS: Syria: the new nightmare?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Nov 16 - 04:28 AM

"You have no proof whatsoever that ammunition was EVER supplied, "
I supplied evidence of the licence being issued - you denied it then provided haldf a dozen contradictory excuses - it was issued but withdrawn, it was issued and the shipment never took place, the ammunition was for sporting rifles, it was sent too early to be used at Homs, it was the wrong size for the Syrian Sniper's weapons and now back to it was never issued in the first place - with the new addition that all licences were revoked in 2010.
You also asked, with your usual charm and grace how the "the U.K. could possibly have known what was going on in Syria without the aid of a crystal ball".
That's an impressive list of excuses - even for you.
It's a pity that not a single one of them came with a shred of documented evidence
The World, Britain included, had the Amnesty Report of the tortures and mass murders long before trouble broke out in the Arab countries - they said nothing, did nothing and continued as if nothing was happening.
When Assad's men deserted him and fled abroad they begged Britain to use economic and political pressure to stop the killing - they pointed out Assad's personal ties and respect for Britain - those pleas were ignored.
The Syrian deserters suggested that Britain could seize the millions of pounds worth of property owned by the Assad family in London - those suggestions were totally ignored and, throughout the Homs massacres, Assad's gofer brother-in-law visited London regularly going about Assad's business - nothing was done to prevent him.
Britain wrung their hands in horror at the street massacres in Homs and did precisely NOTHING
Given the proved reputation of the Assad regime, they should hev beed sold nothing
Britain was condemned internationally for its sale of chemicals at the time Assad was found to be using chemicals - there was never a suggestion that they could not be used for weapons, just the word of the Syrians that they were for "toothpaste"
Such materials should never have been sold to the mass murderer Assad was known to be.
Britain sold riot control equipment, water cannons and armoured cars that were used to crush the Syrian protests - an undisputed fact.
The equipment sold by Britain and used in Syrian prisons were electrical hand generators (Meggers).
They are a common piece of electrical test equipment in the electrical trade (I used one regularly and still have one here).
Their use as instruments for interrogation is long established - cheap and convenient, leaving no scars - the faster you wind the handle, the greater the electric shock - even eejits like Teribus could master the technique in a matter of minutes.
ASSAD IS A KNOW FASCIST DESPOT - HE SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN SOLD ANYTHING - HE WAS ONE OF BRITAIN'S LONG TERM TRADING PARTNERS AND, SHOULD HE TRIUMPH IN SYRIA, NO DOUBT WILL BE AGAIN
"We do do trade and we do do trade in armaments with Governments that are not democratic and have bad human rights records""
Vince Cable Trade Minister.
Committee on Arms Control evidence 7th February, 2012"
Syria is one of those Governments
There - said it all again - for the last time
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syria: the new nightmare?
From: Teribus
Date: 25 Nov 16 - 05:10 AM

"I supplied evidence of the licence being issued - you denied it then provided haldf a dozen contradictory excuses - it was issued but withdrawn, it was issued and the shipment never took place, the ammunition was for sporting rifles, it was sent too early to be used at Homs, it was the wrong size for the Syrian Sniper's weapons and now back to it was never issued in the first place - with the new addition that all licences were revoked in 2010."

Old ground that has been gone over before - but Jim Carroll once again misrepresents - those reading this forum have been shown very clearly another example of this sort of behaviour on another thread.

Now tell us where the contradictory statements are Jim.

1: Where and when did I ever deny that an export licence was issued? Jim Carroll lie and misrepresentation #1

2: All export licences related to goods being sent to Syria were revoked by the British Government in 2010. IIRC the EU followed suit shortly after. That is fact and does in no way contradict anything previously stated.

3: The licence was issued by the British Government but there has never been any evidence put forward that any ammunition was ever shipped by the individual who applied for and received the export licence. Still no contradictions there Jim

4: "the ammunition was for sporting rifles" Ehmmm No Jim the ammunition can be used in sporting rifles mere fact, 7.62x51mm Standard NATO ammunition can be used in some 0.308 calibre rifles, I should know I own two rifles of that calibre one can fire standard NATO rounds, the other cannot it has to fire 0.308 WIN.Still no contradictions there Jim

5: it was sent too early to be used at Homs Licence issued in 2009, export licences revoked in 2010, so IF it was ever sent then it had to have been sent two years before any civil unrest broke out in Syria. The value declared on the licence was £30,000 which would equate to around 110,000 rounds - minute amount if you are supplying an Army and a Police Force. Mere observation on examination of facts and proposed theories - Still no contradictions Jim

6: "it was the wrong size for the Syrian Sniper's weapons" Simple statement of fact when you consider that Russia supplies Assad with all his weapons and has done since 1967. Russian weapons of that calibre fire a 7.62x39mm round, NATO weapons of that calibre fire 7.62x51mm rounds - NATO rounds are 12mm too long for the chamber of the weapons used by Assad's forces - Still no contradictions Jim

7: "and now back to it was never issued in the first place" - Where? When? Repetition of Jim Carroll Lie #1.

A musical question for you Jim. On which Rolling Stones album do you think Walter Pardon performed best as lead singer?

Subject: RE: BS: Syria: the new nightmare?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Nov 16 - 06:17 AM

Load of crap again Teribus
It's all on Homs Horror
Your pathetic musical garbage is an attempt to avoid every single point I have just made
Even if I id get the denialo of the license being issued - which I didn't, there are half a dozen more excuses you have offered and have been admitted to by your silence on them.
The situation in Syria is exactly as I outlined - never mind the bullshit, if you want to discuss it, do so with proof to back it yup - otherwise, lie down - you're dead - or drunk maybe?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syria: the new nightmare?
From: Teribus
Date: 25 Nov 16 - 06:49 AM

For someone who types and posts the following:

"Even if I id get the denialo of the license being issued - which I didn't, there are half a dozen more excuses you have offered and have been admitted to by your silence on them."

To then post:

" never mind the bullshit, if you want to discuss it, do so with proof to back it yup - otherwise, lie down - you're dead - or drunk maybe?"

Only an observation, but it would appear that it is you who needs to either lay off the sauce or start taking more water with it. You should be charged with massacring the English language - your at the stage of almost needing an interpreter.

Now then Jim where and when did I ever state that no export licence had been issued?

Simple enough question - bet I will get no response from Jim Carroll because Jim Carroll just makes up shit and here he is having been caught out doing it again.

Subject: RE: BS: Syria: the new nightmare?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Nov 16 - 07:33 AM

Will this Do


Subject: RE: BS: Homs horror
From: Teribus - PM
Date: 21 Mar 12 - 03:03 PM

"Except the documented small arms ammunition"

Documented where?? A news paper?? The Daily Mail eh? Are you serious?
Now piss off
Jim Carroll