BS: Mudcat DISCUSSION forum

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat DISCUSSION forum
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jan 13 - 04:11 PM

I'm not anonymous. I post everywhere under my real name, always.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat DISCUSSION forum
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Jan 13 - 04:08 PM

It's like a big party where silly jokes are being told in one corner and recipes exchanged in the kitchen... with ongoing political wrangling in the back room. It can be interesting and educational... but here the participants are often anonymous, and as such, sometimes 'say' things in ways they would likely not do to a person's face.

I always try to word my posts ... even when controversial... so as not to be insulting or vulgar or hateful. If THAT simple rule were followed, there would be more 'useful' .... even if heated... discussions. I see no basic hard in arguments... just in bitter fights. Sadly, some seem to have no other way to express their more ...umm... 'intense' feelings.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat DISCUSSION forum
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 24 Jan 13 - 03:38 PM

Mudcat posts follow Gresham's Law,

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat DISCUSSION forum
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 24 Jan 13 - 03:29 PM

I very seldom post above the line because I'm not very knowledgeable about music. But I post all the time in the BS section. I've had enormous pleasure reading people's posts and considering their opinions.If it gets a bit unpleasant I give up on that particular thread. But vociferous posters have a right to air their views. They have reasons for their anger. I've had wonderful support and advice from many of the 'regulars', and been able to encourage and sympathise with those going through a bad time. I've also laughed my socks off at many of the hilarious things people say. Their quirky sense of humour is such a tonic. I feel censorship would be a mistake.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat DISCUSSION forum
From: Ron Davies
Date: 24 Jan 13 - 12:16 PM

There still are worthwhile discussions--and information conveyed--above the line.   Where it always was.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat DISCUSSION forum
From: Pete Jennings
Date: 24 Jan 13 - 11:11 AM

Whilst I agree in general with selby's point, I also agree with several others: we are not obliged to view any thread or take notice of certain individuals / posts.

One thing that does frustrate me: people posting to threads that are either obvious wind-ups or from trolls...but hey, that's just me. Each to their own.

Pete

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat DISCUSSION forum
From: Will Fly
Date: 24 Jan 13 - 10:19 AM

A good rule of thumb: Once any thread in the "BS" section gets to around 100 posts, if the last 50 are by no more than 4 or 5 people, there is no longer any point in it. It should be dumped, and those people should continue their name-calling by PMs or private email.

A good point - if the thread is rancorous. But I'd hate for the "Old Pocket Watches" thread (for example) to get 'dumped' just for that reason. It serves a small but devoted and very friendly group of people.

Not all such long BS threads are self-destructive wrangling. I just keep well away from those that are.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat DISCUSSION forum
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 24 Jan 13 - 10:18 AM

When I open a thread and see csrtain names..I go no further. I know what they will say and how they will say it. The same people seem to Hijack music threads as well. I am tired to death of the polirics of negativity and resentment. I am equally tired of people who claim to be "entitled" to opinions. I always thought that being "entitled" to anything meant you had earned the entirlement..not so with many of these negative people..they do not seem to believe that knowing anything is vital to expressing an opinion..I try to avoid these people.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat DISCUSSION forum
From: Leadfingers
Date: 24 Jan 13 - 10:06 AM

Mudcat is a community , and in every community there is a percentage of clots ! The Bigger the community , the more clots there are !
Sadly , the clots seem to be noisier than the rest of us !

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat DISCUSSION forum
From: Midchuck
Date: 24 Jan 13 - 09:41 AM

A good rule of thumb: Once any thread in the "BS" section gets to around 100 posts, if the last 50 are by no more than 4 or 5 people, there is no longer any point in it. It should be dumped, and those people should continue their name-calling by PMs or private email.

P.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat DISCUSSION forum
From: katlaughing
Date: 24 Jan 13 - 09:33 AM

selby, I agree with you...the discussions have been more rancorous and led by a few, imo, who really don't care much about Mudcat. I know we've lost good members,

As others have said, folks can pass over those threads and posts, but I remember when those were in the minority, rather than the majority as now.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat DISCUSSION forum
From: Rapparee
Date: 24 Jan 13 - 09:21 AM

I decided years and years ago that damned few people cared what I thought, that I had no power to do sweeping social change, and so I would change what little I could for what I thought was the better. Then I wouldn't worry about what I couldn't change.

I couldn't change the course of the Vietnam War, I couldn't prevent the election of Richard Nixon, I couldn't do anything about gun violence, and a whole list of other things -- and no one listened to my ideas anyway.

Why waste my time and energy yammering about it? I would make what small changes I could make and not worry about the rest.

Too much yammer, yammer, yammer and not enough thoughtful action.

YMMV.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat DISCUSSION forum
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Jan 13 - 08:21 AM

Final thought,in the real world people know the solutions the debates should be how to implement,anything else is irrelevantish imo.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat DISCUSSION forum
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Jan 13 - 07:57 AM

I threw the F word out in a post,new res out the windy,so apologies if i contributed to you making this post.I think it is because everybody is frustrated with seeing things getting debated round and round in circles and it just being "personal". Now I know some like doing this and use the net to make friends,but some really do want to figure out why we dont ever really get it together.my last post here as pretty obvious to me its best done face to face.got a pic of my dinner if anyone wants to see it.GL

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat DISCUSSION forum
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 24 Jan 13 - 06:45 AM

The best thing about the internet, is that you can finish your point, without interruption
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat DISCUSSION forum
From: Ed T
Date: 24 Jan 13 - 06:31 AM

""for fuck's sake, give over!""



Hopefully, this, (rather strong, and potentially provocative), directive does not intend to "wish power over anyone else in some threads to get their view over at all costs"- (see opening post).


This post is Intended only as a humourous reflection - but, as an example, it only takes one potentially innocent (and possibly well intended) statement like this to set folks off towards an argument:)

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat DISCUSSION forum
From: MartinRyan
Date: 24 Jan 13 - 06:18 AM

Keith A

I just do not open threads that are like that, or skip the posts that are repetitive.
I would not tell anyone to stop posting just because I was not interested in their views.

I repeat: for fuck's sake, give over!

Regards

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat DISCUSSION forum
From: Ed T
Date: 24 Jan 13 - 05:54 AM

There have been previous discussions on similar topics witlittle impact over the long-term.

As Rap indicates, it is relatively easy to avoid many of the arguments and grandstanding that may frustrate some, (if you are prone to that) by carefully reading the titles, especially the political-religious and the provocative thread titles. (However some discourse between individuals tends to move from one thread to the next-somewhat like in real life, where a variety of folks socialize).

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat DISCUSSION forum
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Jan 13 - 05:50 AM

I just do not open threads that are like that, or skip the posts that are repetitive.
I would not tell anyone to stop posting just because I was not interested in their views.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat DISCUSSION forum
From: Rapparee
Date: 24 Jan 13 - 05:37 AM

Opinions, they say, are like arseholes: everyone has one.

Me, I just avoid threads which never end: gun control, anything to do with politics, and pretty much anything I don't know anything about (with the proviso that I might pop in and see if I could learn anything).

Visit MOAB -- you'd be surprised what gets discussed there. Really!

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat DISCUSSION forum
From: MartinRyan
Date: 24 Jan 13 - 05:33 AM

Or, as I rather more directly put it a few minutes ago on one of the 'Yah! Boo! Sucks!" threads:

For fuck's fake, lads, give over!

Regards

Subject: BS: Mudcat DISCUSSION forum
From: selby
Date: 24 Jan 13 - 05:20 AM

I have used mudcat for a number of years both as a guest and as a member unfortunately at the moment, we as a community appear to have lost the plot, there appears to be a number of individuals who wish to power over anyone else in some threads to get their view over at all costs. This was a forum where people from all over the world discussed their love of music and other things, some of those people seem to have disappeared and do not participate, I know for one I was a richer person for their input. Would it be possible for once to have a thread where left wing right wing politics are left at the door and interesting stimulating discussion took place rather than a cat fight between one or two individuals.

DISCUSSION an act or instance of discussing; consideration or examination by argument, comment, etc., especially to explore solutions; informal debate.

I know, I am fed up with it and feel that others are as well.
Keith