BS: UK political parties for oblivion?

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: Musket
Date: 13 Mar 13 - 10:08 AM

Support for them based on soundbite quotes and grinning at a camera I can understand. Support for their policies has to be on the basis of not having read them surely? I sincerely hope that whatever a voter's politics, whatever a voter's views, they have no policies that are either costed or treat all UK citizens equally. Neither makes them capable of running a government / whelk stall.

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: GUEST,BrendanB.
Date: 13 Mar 13 - 08:13 AM

Many here may find the polices of UKIP distasteful, but according to media polls, support for them and their policies are rising at a dramatic rate. Cameron admits that immigration will be high on the priority of all parties during the next election. It is a concerning matter when you consider Bulgaria and Romania receive full EEC status this year.

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: Wolfhound person
Date: 13 Mar 13 - 07:05 AM

PS Make mine Cumberland.

Paws

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: Wolfhound person
Date: 13 Mar 13 - 07:04 AM

A plague on all their houses.

Start by copying Iceland. Put all the bankers and politicians in prison.
I believe they're back in the black now they've done that - even if not wealthy again.

I agree with most of what John McK's said - a steeply ramped tax system and less VAT would help the many at the expense of the few. And while I'm on - if the minimum wage is that - the minimum necessary to live (exist?) on - why is it taxed?

Paws

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: GUEST,Backwoodsman
Date: 13 Mar 13 - 06:27 AM

I watch my diet very carefully nowadays, and I'm 77 lbs lighter than I was a few years ago. I seldom eat sausages, and never, ever eat cheap, mass-produced sausages - the southern softies can have those shitty things - I only eat good-quality bangers made by local butchers. As I eat them maybe three or four times a year only, I don't feel under any threat from the Toffs of Eton, or Toffs of any other public-school for that matter.

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Mar 13 - 05:52 AM

The Flying Spaghetti Monster completely lacks any qualities that would entitle it to legitimately be someone's focus of worship. It's too easily defined, it has very obvious limitations, and that just doesn't work.

That is the main thing wrong with all forms of idolatry. They're extremely limited, both in their characteristics, in their concept, and in their definition. They're just bigger versions of other limited things that we're already quite familiar with. And that means...no big deal!

For instance: it clearly looks like spaghetti, and it flies, and it's a "monster", therefore it's measureably large and/or monstrous, and all that simply doesn't work. God either...

1. doesn't look like anything

or

2. looks like everything

and as a result

3. is immeasurable, neither small nor large but simply infinite in both directions, indefinable, has either all or none of the various   characteristics we can come up with in a definition, and cannot be seen, unless seen implicitly in everything.

And I think I'll just leave it at that, rather than elaborating further. ;-) It wouldn't do any good anyway. It would probably be rather like trying to teach a pig how to do calculus.

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: Musket
Date: 13 Mar 13 - 05:33 AM

The cheapest sausage? That's bollocks that is. (Or would be if horse wasn't cheaper.)

You don't have to apologise for having a sorry life. I'm having one this week. Stopped trying to regulate healthcare and from next month, trying to run a part of it. Hence a couple of weeks doing nowt, bugger all.

Sausages may be the one true path, but in order to fill in the box saying "religion" on monitoring sheets our public sector employers insist on, I joined The Church of The Flying Spaghetti Monster the other year, and as sausages are not made of pasta, you are nothing but a heretic sir! We Pastafarians know better...

(Someone told me that there has been a schism and there is now a REFORMED Church of The Flying Spaghetti Monster. Might see if they are better, might do Nectar cards or something?)

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 13 Mar 13 - 04:57 AM

Ah, but that's part of the Etonian plot. Death by sausage for the working class. Preferably the cheapest sausage.

And speaking of working, that's what I've been doing. That and playing a couple of gigs. Sorry to have a life and all that.

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: GUEST,Backwoodsman
Date: 13 Mar 13 - 01:25 AM

Yep, do away with political parties and introduce free sausages for all.
Sausages - The One True Path.

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Mar 13 - 04:58 PM

You'd be far better off with no political parties at all. And so would we. It might be possible to form an honest and sensible government if there were no political parties corrupting the process.

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: GUEST,Backwoodsman
Date: 12 Mar 13 - 04:37 PM

"Sorry, far better than talking politics"

Couldn't agree more. The butcher in Kirton Lindsey market place makes some wonderful varieties, including pork & cider which I've eaten on a number of occasions at Brandy Wharf. Very, very nice with a pint of still cider.

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 12 Mar 13 - 03:44 PM

I'm a Yorkshireman but the best sausages I've ever tried are ' Welsh Dragon '

Dave H

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: GUEST,Musket sans cookie
Date: 12 Mar 13 - 02:30 PM

Here in real (North) Lincolnshire the butcher in Crowle does Jack sausages which are Lincolnshire but far more herbs etc for grown ups.

When I come from in Derbyshire straight sausages are also a virtue but they don't seem so fussy around Doncaster. ....

Sorry, far better than talking politics. Bridge started it then buggered off. Pity cos he gives good entertainment value when he starts ranting.

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: GUEST,Backwoodsman
Date: 12 Mar 13 - 11:53 AM

Nah, there's something rather unnerving about those....kinda looks like it's trying to shove its head up its own arse! There are are several things I prefer straight, and a sausage is one of them. :-)

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 12 Mar 13 - 11:44 AM

Cumberland, every time

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: GUEST,Backwoodsman
Date: 12 Mar 13 - 10:58 AM

Saving the sausage is undoubtedly the single most important issue facing the UK in the 21st century. I refer in particular to the brightest star in the sausage constellation - the Lincolnshire Sausage. Ambrosia.

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: GUEST,Musket sans cookie
Date: 12 Mar 13 - 09:38 AM

Ah well. Not only my granddad but I used to mine the ruddy stuff myself..

I take your point though. Traditional voting being what it is, a combination of thoughtful and loony voting combine to give a majority. Most people would feel uncomfortable voting for the traditional "other lot" and to be honest I have yet to see myself voting Tory. Whether that is heritage or them having nothing to offer in my view is academic. I just haven't and doubt I ever will. Which is odd because I am fully aware that to feel your vote counts you have to be prepared to float it. Even occasionally voting for a protest platform like Save the Sausage or UKIP.

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 12 Mar 13 - 09:19 AM

So, anybody worked out what the total number of chickens will be by May 2015?

Enough egg-on-the-face to go round?

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 12 Mar 13 - 09:17 AM

What we need is a party that doesn't lower taxes, and increase government spending.
Cut VAT, increase taxes, build houses.
If the Lib Dmes aren't involved in a coalition, after the next election, then UKIP will be. Mark my words.

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 12 Mar 13 - 07:36 AM

You obviously don't live in the city that I live in - one in which the city council is dominated by Labour. They are smug, authoritarian and extremely poor at consulting the various communities that they contemptuously 'lord it over'. They are much more concerned about the 'rights' of property developers to make huge profits than the rights of citizens or the local environment. Trouble is, the electorate either doesn't vote at all at council elections, or automatically and unthinkingly votes Labour. Labour voters internal script seems to go something like this: "My grandad mined coal with his teeth, and if (Old) Labour was good enough for him, (New) Labour is good enough for me!" Unthinking dogma which, of course, fails to notice that New Labour is a very different beast from Old Labour.

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: Musket
Date: 12 Mar 13 - 06:34 AM

Welcome to social democracy!

On a serious note, I support it. Only because I have never been told of a better system mind, but I do support the idea in terms of stability and opportunity coupled with a social agenda.

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 12 Mar 13 - 06:31 AM

Yeah! I suppose that the Tories will get thrown out at the next election and another bunch of, slightly less extreme but smugger, right of centre free marketeers, i.e. the Labour Party, will get elected ... and round and round and round ...

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: Musket
Date: 12 Mar 13 - 06:22 AM

The electorate are not right of centre Eurosceptic.

The media are building a pathetic joke up in order to keep real politicians on their toes. UKIP are not a political party, have no policies and any examination beyond the Daily Mail moans about Johnny Foreigner sees the odious idiots for what they are. Racist xenophobic fools who need to rebuild the disgraceful British Empire to fund even the less stupid parts of what they promise.

Dave Such, as I said above, would have been proud of them and BNP/NF can drop out of society now as their work is done with every sheep vote for Farage and his protest movement.

If any party needs to strike a pact with UKIP, they have no mandate to stand for election. Cameron, for all his faults knows this far more than the well heeled less educated idiots who think a mainstream party thinks as they do on account of Daddy being the local treasurer in 1949.

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Mar 13 - 04:20 AM

UKIP splits the Tory vote and will prevent their election if no agreement is reached.
Together they got more than half the vote at Eastleigh, LIb Dems less than a third.
So, a right of centre Eurosceptic electorate got a left of centre Eurofanatic party elected.

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: GUEST,Musket sans cookie
Date: 12 Mar 13 - 03:59 AM

Ok. I'll wade in.

Both Conservative and Labour are scared of not forming the next government. But one of them will do?

LibDem is in my opinion worthy of your withering denouncement. But Eastleigh should at least give cause for thoughtful reflection.

I reckon you should give the electorate more respect. Despite the soundbites and bloody noses at by elections, main results tend to reflect the vox pop. At the last election labour were punished but Conservative ideas weren't what people wanted hence hung parliament. UKIP are the present outpouring of frustration for many but not fit for running Churchill's whelk stand. Their policies are a tribute to Screaming Lord Such on marching powder.

Lighten up. We vote and the government wins. T'was ever thus.

Subject: RE: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 11 Mar 13 - 08:31 PM

Ooops, BS.

Subject: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 11 Mar 13 - 08:30 PM

Theresa May, other right wing loonies, and the unspeakeble and corrupt Liam Fox jostle to take the conservatives as far right as UKIP or futher.

Clegg rebuffs the views of his expert economist Cable on the need for "Plan B". Activists quit at the party conference because of the coalition.

The Church of England, once "the Tory party at prayer", lines up against the bedroom tax and the welfare cuts.


We all knew, I think, that the Lib-Dems were headed for oblivion by their brand being tainted by the conservatives, but even though the Etonians had revealed that they were still "the nasty party" too many are tending to want to make it nastier. Now they may also be headed for oblivion before a Labour landslide at the electon.