Subject: BS: help: Terry Pratchett books From: Claire M Date: 03 Apr 13 - 03:22 PM Hiya, As a fantasy fiend I've had him recommended a daft amout of times. I remember reading one, not being impressed, & deciding not to bother with any more.all I know is that he wears a big hat, looks like someone I know, & has a strange house I want to live in myself. I heard the themed songs at the Steeleye gig, loved them, & now want to read the books they go with while I wait impatiently for the cd. I've always loved witches, folklore, etc. anyway – one seems to feed the other. I soak up books on both, & loved it so much as a child I wrote my own stories & wanted to be a witch myself (still do!) Dad said, "Lovey, just read the bloody books!". Something suddenly clicked in my head I know TP has done a daft amount, so could I just read said books & then stop, or do I have to read the whole series ?? (I read books once then off to the charity shop they go, so reading all of his will get a bit expensive.) Help is appreciated. |
Subject: RE: BS: help: Terry Pratchett books From: Dave the Gnome Date: 03 Apr 13 - 05:21 PM The Discworld Witch Novels would probably be a good starting place. Lords and Ladies has the added bonus of Morris Dancing :-) Each is stand alone but they are probably best read in sequence. They may also refer to other characters and events in the Pratchett Multiverse. Cheers DtG |
Subject: RE: BS: help: Terry Pratchett books From: Bettynh Date: 03 Apr 13 - 05:39 PM I think I'd start you off with the so-called children's books about Tiffany Aching. The first two are available in one volume as The Wee Free Men The Beginning. Like Harry Potter, these books are for everyone and they're Sir Terry writing at his peak. |
Subject: RE: BS: help: Terry Pratchett books From: Rob Naylor Date: 03 Apr 13 - 07:55 PM I's agree with DtG that if you're into "witchy" things, the witches novels are a good place to start. Of the early Discworld novels I liked Mort and Reaper Man best. Note that the novels work on several levels, and that the more generally well-read you are the more in-jokes and allusions you'll be able to identify. |
Subject: RE: BS: help: Terry Pratchett books From: Rumncoke Date: 03 Apr 13 - 08:10 PM There are various themes throughout the series, though some do interweave. I have never seen any of the books in charity shops, so I suspect that they are kept after reading. They are not all at the same level - though which are the best ones differ for different people. The one I find funniest makes me laugh every time I read it, laugh so much that I suspect it might finish me off some time. We lost one book somewhere in the house for some years, and found it to download onto my Kindle until it turned up again. You could go that route. I re read the whole lot at intervals. |
Subject: RE: BS: help: Terry Pratchett books From: michaelr Date: 03 Apr 13 - 09:08 PM It's a good idea to read them in sequence, because in the early ones TP explains the Discworld universe, while the later ones take that knowledge for granted. |
Subject: RE: BS: help: Terry Pratchett books From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 04 Apr 13 - 04:09 AM & some characters change & grow, but some never change. I have 6 Pratchett books, one discovered in a charity shop, another discovered in my local library's Booked Out! shelves = unwanted books given away to whoever gets them first. The others were bought new, some in a sale when a bookshop went bankrupt. A very useful book is the Discworld Companion which is an A-Z list of characters & places. Colour of Magic - the fist Discworld book Witches Abroad I Shall Wear Midnight The Last Continent (charity shop, also ex-Library) The Truth (ex-Library) I also have Terry Pratchett & Neil Gaiman's Good Omens, one of my favourite ever books. I might just buy a few other Discworld books sometime as I recently gave away a series I'd collected decades ago & have a bit of space in my small Fiction bookcase. sandra |
Subject: RE: BS: help: Terry Pratchett books From: GUEST,Howard Jones Date: 04 Apr 13 - 04:17 AM All the books stand alone, however as the same characters turn up in different novels it helps to read them in some sort of sequence. it doesn't matter too much if you don't though. Rob Naylor's point about them working on several levels is important - if you just take them at their face value as stories you won't get nearly as much from them. |
Subject: RE: BS: help: Terry Pratchett books From: Dave MacKenzie Date: 04 Apr 13 - 04:50 AM Bring Back The Luggage! |
Subject: RE: BS: help: Terry Pratchett books From: Dave the Gnome Date: 04 Apr 13 - 05:25 AM ...and Rincewind! :-) |
Subject: RE: BS: help: Terry Pratchett books From: GUEST, topsie Date: 04 Apr 13 - 05:26 AM As a connection with 'Autism awareness day', try 'Small Gods', where the main character has Asperger's, though this is not stated outright. |
Subject: RE: BS: help: Terry Pratchett books From: Ross Campbell Date: 04 Apr 13 - 12:34 PM I have to try to rationalise my Terry Pratchett collection. Apart from a few distinctive titles, I can never remember which ones I have read. I do find them occasionally in charity shops and second-hand bookshops, where the price can encourage me to take the risk of buying something I've already got. A few duplicates have inevitably crept in. You would think making a list would help. For completists, here's Fantastic Fiction's page for Terry Pratchett - http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/p/terry-pratchett/ I have never found one I didn't enjoy. Happy reading! Ross |
Subject: RE: BS: help: Terry Pratchett books From: Claire M Date: 04 Apr 13 - 02:16 PM Hiya, Thanks. I finally found someone who likes TP so i'll see if she has any. |
Subject: RE: BS: help: Terry Pratchett books From: Bee-dubya-ell Date: 04 Apr 13 - 05:59 PM I also recommend reading at least the first three or four books in chronological order for the sake of background and understanding the Discworld cosmology. After that, read 'em in whatever order you like. JUST BE SURE TO READ AT LEAST ONE BOOK IN WHICH DEATH FIGURES AS A MAJOR CHARACTER. |
Subject: RE: BS: help: Terry Pratchett books From: Rob Naylor Date: 05 Apr 13 - 01:50 AM Bee-dubya-ell: As I said above, Mort and Reaper Man! The Discworld of the earlier books is a very different place to that of the later ones, especially those featuring Sam Vimes (after the first one), where Ankh Morpork and its surrounds become much more like a very rough English county town with cosmopolitan additions than the sinister place of the early stories. In fact the "Discworldliness" becomes very diluted in those stories, and even more diluted in the "Younger Readers" witchy stories featuring Tiffany Aching, where it all gets a bit twee. While I love TP, I think the last 8 or 10 books are nowhere near the quality of the earlier ones. |
Subject: RE: BS: help: Terry Pratchett books From: Claire M Date: 06 Apr 13 - 01:16 PM Hiya, I think I may start with the Tiffany books. It doesn't matter that they're for younger readers; when I pick up a book, all that matters is, "is it so good that it makes me forget where I am ??" I downloaded [i]Wintersmith[/i] in a pdf to see what it was like, after hearing said songs, which made me think the book must be brilliant. He (Wintersmith) makes me think of the Snow Queen, who was always a favourite. I had my face painted as her once, with blue sparkly lips, & didn't want to take the make-up off. I write myself, & I'm more into the witches-wizards-&-dragons type of fantasy than the sci-fi sort. The Chalk reminds me of my own upbringing & makes me quite emotional. TP seems to be one of those authors you get, & you like, or you don't. I never got him before, but I'm starting to now. Just because I like fantasy doesn't mean I want to read every fantasy book going. |
Subject: RE: BS: help: Terry Pratchett books From: Bettynh Date: 06 Apr 13 - 01:33 PM Beware of the elves! TP takes on their sparkly looks. Keep a frying pan handy (and do start with the first of the series for the full effect if you can). |
Subject: RE: BS: help: Terry Pratchett books From: EBarnacle Date: 07 Apr 13 - 10:01 AM Consider borowing from your local library. It costs you nothing and is supported by taxes you have already paid. Besides, the more you use it, the better their statistics look and the more likely their funding is to continue. |
Subject: RE: BS: help: Terry Pratchett books From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 08 Apr 13 - 05:43 AM I've read all his books via my local libraries & have just borrowed another couple to re-read. Long Live Libraries! |
Subject: RE: BS: help: Terry Pratchett books From: Claire M Date: 10 Apr 13 - 03:58 PM Hiya, I love libraries too; used to live near library with massive TP collection. Now I don't – just my luck !!. I've Wiki'd the TA books; Queen of Faeries/Elves with copper (I love copper jewellery!) in her hair ?? I want to meet her, were she real -- she sounds …. well, err, that sounds like my sort of book. (Sorry.....) Hang on, Lord Lankin?? That name sounds very familiar …....... No wonder you said beware, Bettynh!! I may need to buy a new computer, I'll be salivating all over it soon. (….... sorry) |
Subject: RE: BS: help: Terry Pratchett books From: GUEST,Peter Date: 11 Apr 13 - 01:47 PM From the books it is obvious that TP has a good understanding of English folk music, song and dance. You don't want to meet the Queen, at least not without an iron frying pan. |
Subject: RE: BS: help: Terry Pratchett books From: paula t Date: 11 Apr 13 - 05:10 PM I would advise reading the Discworld books in order- otherwise you will miss out on the humour of some of the situations.( E.g a passing reference to a song being sung, in a pub, which describes the hedgehog as a "very fortunate animal" and the long description of a terrified wizard barricading himself inside his bedroom and locking himself inside a cupboard - only to hear, "IT'S DARK IN HERE ISN'T IT?" I laughed out loud. |
Subject: RE: BS: help: Terry Pratchett books From: Green Man Date: 12 Apr 13 - 07:18 AM I read them all and some three times. I have them all on a bookshelf on the landing outside the bedroom and I have just finished 'The Long Earth' which while co written by Sir Tel, is very different although the humour and turn of phrase is still comedic in places. If you haven't read them all rejoice! because, you have a great treat in store. Reading them in order is a good idea 'I think'. Oook |
Subject: RE: BS: help: Terry Pratchett books From: Claire M Date: 12 Apr 13 - 01:16 PM Hiya, Thanks. I've seen Wyrd Sisters the cartoon, (vaguely remembered it) so watched it again, loved it. I say "parched" the same way they do. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vjKTwUWIZo I laughed so hard at the rendition of 'A Wizard's Staff' I cried. When I'm older I will actually be like one of them. Loved Robin Jarvis when I was younger, still do, but have sadly just about run out of RJ stuff to read. Was heavily into totally different stuff when I lived near said library with TP stuff; very depressing sagas that did my mood no good at all. I recognised various things when I looked TP up so I must've read more than one – I'll probably find I've read most if not all. Those who love me & know me well are rarely wrong – if ever. |
Subject: RE: BS: help: Terry Pratchett books From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 13 Apr 13 - 12:52 AM I enjoy re-reading them, they don't get stale. |
Subject: RE: BS: help: Terry Pratchett books From: Claire M Date: 14 Apr 13 - 02:02 PM Hiya, My cousin-in-law, who I get on really well with – he's a male version of me -- loves him too, so I'll see what he can bring up/recommends when/if he visits. I'm not a re-reader, & don't see the point of paying for books I'll read once. I just hope he's as good as I've been led to believe. |
Subject: RE: BS: help: Terry Pratchett books From: michaelr Date: 14 Apr 13 - 03:21 PM Claire. thanks for the YouTube link. It led me to discover the TV adaptation of Going Postal, which I did not know about. Pratchett is a genius at satire. Enjoy! |
Subject: RE: BS: help: Terry Pratchett books From: Jeri Date: 14 Apr 13 - 04:11 PM Pratchett's Discworld sounds as though the books are going to be silly, but he has really figured out how to balance ridiculous with deadly seriousness. I think the darkest novel was "Truth", but that's just my opinion. Pratchett has Alzheimer's and can't write any more. I haven't read the last one or two he wrote, but I, along with everyone else who loves his work wishes there would be more. |
Subject: RE: BS: help: Terry Pratchett books From: MMario Date: 15 Apr 13 - 10:23 AM He is still **dictating** books from what I understand...there are at least two more in the chute and rumours of more. |
Subject: RE: BS: help: Terry Pratchett books From: Claire M Date: 15 Apr 13 - 03:14 PM Hiya, I know. |
Subject: RE: BS: help: Terry Pratchett books From: Jeri Date: 15 Apr 13 - 03:31 PM MMario, I knew he had been, but not that he still was. It's good to know. Thanks. |
Subject: RE: BS: help: Terry Pratchett books From: Claire M Date: 30 Apr 13 - 03:36 PM Hiya! Seems like I'd like the Witch novels, or at least the Tiffany books – you've got me thinking of 'I Shall Wear Midnight' now. Heard song of same name, referring to a "prison of fantasy & fiction" Howled my eyes out, face as red as my dress. I swear Peter Knight was looking at me as he sang the last line of the song – "one day I shall wear midnight" changing I to WE. Crivens, I'm tearing up again. I really hope TP is as good as i've heard he is – I was deep into someone else's books then – too embarrassed to say whose! -- so wasn't that bothered about his, but I recognise the cartoon, & various words he uses from songs. In hindsight I wish I'd read the 1st 4 books (a series) by said other author then stopped – the rest were crap !! Any ideas where to get Nanny Ogg's fox scarf ? |
Subject: RE: BS: help: Terry Pratchett books From: YorkshireYankee Date: 30 Apr 13 - 06:17 PM My hubbie loaned a colleague of his an early TP book. This is a guy who is a voracious reader, knows what he likes, and is something of a complete-ist. The day after he finished the book, he called Waterstones (US-ians, think Borders or Barnes & Noble) and the conversation went something like this: "Hello, do you carry Terry Pratchett books?" "Certainly Sir. Which titles would you like?" "All of them." "ALL of them? You do realise that's a very large number of books, Sir." "That's fine." "There are some we don't have in stock, Sir." "I see. Would you please order them for me?" "Certainly, Sir." "Thank you. How much does that come to?" Wish I could remember the amount to tell you here... Apparently he managed to read the lot within two weeks. Claire, BBC Radio has done lovely adaptations of a fair few of Pratchett's books (AaMOF, one of them, "Only You Can Save Mankind" (not a Discworld novel) is currently running on BBC Radio4Extra at midnight on Sat nights/Sun a.m.s Hubbie & I have downloaded most (possibly all) of these; if you're interested in having them to listen to, let me know. |
Subject: RE: BS: help: Terry Pratchett books From: Claire M Date: 25 May 13 - 02:24 PM Hiya, ALL of them ??!! |
Subject: RE: BS: help: Terry Pratchett books From: Cats Date: 25 May 13 - 02:39 PM DARK IN HERE ISN'T IT..... My favourite quote. |
Subject: RE: BS: help: Terry Pratchett books From: Claire M Date: 19 Jun 13 - 02:26 PM Hiya, ALL of them?? I must've read some before, I recognise a lot of his old-fashioned words (I'm always the one who says "you know, there's a song about that, it's called ….." to a chorus of "oh NO"!) I did wonder why I kept dreaming of a man in a fedora hat, tapping his (4ft ½ ) staff on the ground....... It's quite hard to find the later books in trilogies/series so I tend not to bother, even if I really liked the books, & I'm gagging for the next– I either can't get there, or they aren't available anyway. I was pleased to find TP & I have the same fav band. When I found out that the Queen (his creation, not the proper one) had an elf looking after her called Lord Lankin that was it. His words about "magical leakage" had me in fits (that just about happened finding out the above). |
Subject: RE: BS: help: Terry Pratchett books From: Penny S. Date: 19 Jun 13 - 02:41 PM I know what you mean about trilogies. I never start to read one unless I know the last one has been published. If enough people do this, of course, it may never make it. Penny |
Subject: RE: BS: help: Terry Pratchett books From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 20 Jun 13 - 06:14 AM same here, Penny. I never pick up vol one - except one time where there was no reference to the book being the start of a series. I was very close to the end thinking the ending would be very fast/squashed as a lot needed to happen to tie up all loose ends & get heroes out of extreme danger when the book ended, leaving them in danger. So I said fooey or something a tad stronger, & never went looking for vol.2. If the author wanted to stop with a cliffhanger, let then stay there I said! There have been other times where I've found all vol of a series in the library & happily took them all home. sandra |
Subject: RE: BS: help: Terry Pratchett books From: Dave the Gnome Date: 20 Jun 13 - 08:13 AM DARK IN HERE is great and oft repeated but some of the stranger snippets had me in fits. Meat Curry - 1 cent Named Meat Curry - 2 cents Pavlovas Dogs - Named after dogs that, every time a bell rang, they ate a raspberry meringue Why? Certainly, I'll have your whelk. How do we do it? Volume! (The Bursar) You have to have been there... Glad you are enjoying them Claire. Is the song "A wizards staff has a knob on the end"? :D tG |
Subject: RE: BS: help: Terry Pratchett books From: MMario Date: 20 Jun 13 - 09:40 AM The second in the "Long Earth" series just came out - "The Long War" |
Subject: RE: BS: help: Terry Pratchett books From: Claire M Date: 21 Jun 13 - 03:09 PM Hiya, That it is! |
Subject: RE: BS: help: Terry Pratchett books From: keberoxu Date: 30 Apr 16 - 02:14 PM The one I love is Nanny Ogg. "but the hedgehog...." |
Subject: RE: BS: help: Terry Pratchett books From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 30 Apr 16 - 09:05 PM Australian singer/songwriter/comedian Martin Pearson has written a most excellent version of The Hedgehog Song - link to a few videos of the song, lyrics as transcribed by another fan & more. Martin is a great Discworld fan & had written a number of songs based on Terry Pratchett's writings. He's also a fan of Lord of the Rings & has put out a CD of LOTR songs. |
Subject: RE: BS: help: Terry Pratchett books From: Brian May Date: 01 May 16 - 09:00 AM Must admit, I shall be eternally grateful to my oldest daughter who got me into Terry Pratchett in the 1980s. What a treasure that man was. I have all his books (I think) permanently on my Kindle. My favourites are the Tiffany Aching series followed by the witches. My wife is often 'accused' of being Granny Weatherwax - there are worse things . . . . The humour and wisdom in TP's writings is peerless. Enjoy |
Subject: RE: BS: help: Terry Pratchett books From: keberoxu Date: 01 May 16 - 03:45 PM Indeed, far worse things than being accused of being Granny Weatherwax. Horrors, to be accused of being Eumenides Treason -- ! |
Subject: RE: BS: help: Terry Pratchett books From: keberoxu Date: 09 May 16 - 04:47 PM An earlier post had an opinion on which of the Discworld books was the darkest. That post suggested "Truth" which takes on journalism, and yes, the satire is scathing. And Death has his hands full. Just finished reading "Feet of Clay," however, and WHOA, that one is dark. This one takes on Doctor Frankenstein and his monster, and how dark is that! No, I mean you won't literally see the monster, or the doctor, in this book. However there is a folklore equivalent, which I will not spoil here. Turns out that an entire category of unskilled labor in Ankh-Morpork has been answered by the creation of humanoid things with scripts in their head cavities, literally, and they are the lowest of slaves. Yeah, there is a LOT of social commentary brought to bear in this one. I'm impressed. And here is another thread sub-topic to introduce. Several posts have gone with, what character/behavior do you love the most. But after all, this is English satire, which is incomplete without: The Character/Behaviour You Love To Hate. Therefore my question: Whom from the Discworld do you most Love To Hate? Don't be shy! The first thing that springs to my mind has a characteristic intro: Bingely-Bingely-Beep! OH NO NOT AGAIN, every time. |
Subject: RE: BS: help: Terry Pratchett books From: keberoxu Date: 10 May 16 - 01:21 PM And among the witches of the Discworld, there is Mrs. Earwig. Although I like how she negotiates with the Nac Mac Feegle in The Shepherd's Crown. |
Subject: RE: BS: help: Terry Pratchett books From: Jack Campin Date: 10 May 16 - 01:53 PM I contributed three verses to the Hedgehog Song once (about buggering jellyfish, planaria and sponges). I never heard if anyone ever sang them. Dunno what tune is normally used for it, but "Simple Gifts" aka "Lord of the Dance" is a natural fit. |
Subject: RE: BS: help: Terry Pratchett books From: keberoxu Date: 15 Sep 16 - 04:29 PM More thoughts on Which Books To Read When. The last of the Tiffany Aching books, The Shepherd's Crown, is great reading regardless. Having said that, I read that book and then more recently I read a few Discworld books for the first time. And I must say, The Shepherd's Crown, which on occasion cruises across the whole surface of the Discworld away from the Chalk or Lancre, is more enjoyable if one is reading / has read: Lords and Ladies Thief of Time Raising Steam just to name three Discworld books which are very different indeed from each other. Right now I am reading Raising Steam, and wishing that I had read it before I read The Shepherd's Crown. Particularly for the references to iron and railroads. Most of all, though, Raising Steam is valuable for presenting engineering and steam locomotives as a metaphor for the importance of accepting challenges that require one to fail many times before arriving at success. Oh, and a word about "The Long Earth" series. That final book has just been published, called "The Long Cosmos." This series of books is a collaboration, I've already forgotten the name of the other author, who has survived Terry Pratchett. On another thread, a Terry Pratchett devotee lamented that "The Long Earth" had little discernible Terry Pratchett in it. I understand the lament. However, I have pinpointed something that seems to be Terry Pratchett's contribution. The character of Douglas Black, if you look closely, has a lot of Terry Pratchett's satire in him. There is more than a touch of Havelock Vetinari in Black's status and powers. Black's remarks and personality, with a sharp sense of humor, also brings Discworld to mind. |
Subject: RE: BS: help: Terry Pratchett books From: keberoxu Date: 07 Jan 17 - 04:30 PM Who has read: The Witch's Vacuum Cleaner? I have not. Is it any good? supposed to be short stories, NOT one long feature-length book. By the way, Claire M, since you mentioned this in a post on this thread: by Robin Jarvis: Dancing Jax, Freax & Rejex, Fighting Pax: a complete series. A mash-up of Jonathan Swift, Stephen King, and at the end a touch of George MacDonald. Sound threatening? It is! Also by Robin Jarvis: The Power of Dark, which returns to Whitby. And believe it or not, there are....aufwaders, but I don't know why they are still around, seeing as how the Lords of the Deep and Dark had a special island world to which the aufwaders were removed. I don't know because I have only managed to read little excerpts of this book while I am waiting for Amazon to deliver my order. |