Bob Brozman legal issues

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST,Guest--Wading in
Date: 11 May 13 - 12:57 AM

Silly River Sage: Go back to the very first post in this thread. There you'll see that the original posts from Brozman's ex-agent and ex-wife were copied over to Mudcat from the Santa Cruz News forum by a Mr. or Ms Potato Fingers. So, it's not absurd after all. It was initially reported to a news site not a folk and blues site. Since you split the thread, I'm surprised you didn't catch this.

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST
Date: 11 May 13 - 12:41 AM

Maybe he told every US promoter & friend of Bob's he could find.
>>>>>


nope. because then everyone would know about "the rumors",and Bob's twenty years of denials.    But no, it blindsided everyone. Ergo, Gary Atkinson didn't say boo until now.

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 May 13 - 11:30 PM

If you knew child abuse happened, wouldn't your first inclination, at that very moment, be to call the police, to call child protective services? To assault or murder the guy on the spot? Why, all of these years later, would you report it in a folk and blues site? It's absurd.

I don't know what happened, if anything happened, but all of these after-the-fact testimonials are too much to be believed. And my eyes cross any time I see another of Gene-Adelphi's posts. I have no idea what he's going on about, but I don't think he does either. And his enabler's have let him run free - someone should have taken away his computer, turned off the router. Mrs. Adelphi, perhaps? There is real vitriol running through this thread - the fact that so many guests who spewed this stuff didn't assign themselves a name and who chose to stay anonymous. There is no moral high ground in nasty anonymity. NONE. IP addresses show these folks are from California, Nevada, Ontario, Illinois, Louisiana, Philadephia, New York, etc.; welcome to Mudcat. I hope you visit under musical circumstances and contribute more meaningful material to the site.

I think people have every reason to be skeptical about all aspects of this story. If there are pending cases that were truncated by Mr. Brozman's death, then something will still probably turn up in the news. Especially if they make claims against his estate.

SRS

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 10 May 13 - 11:28 PM

Where were Suzy Thompson's comments posted?

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST
Date: 10 May 13 - 10:06 PM

People keep saying that Gary never did anything for 20 years. We don't know that to be true. There was a witness he said but she didn't want to testify. Maybe he tried to bring criminal charges in the UK. Maybe he told every US promoter & friend of Bob's he could find. Maybe Bob sued him for slander. We don't know. I was surprised to see Suzy Thompson mention on another forum that she had been aware of this stuff. How did Gary find Mary? And now this latest victim? He may have done a lot over the past 20 years. Just because Gary didn't murder Bob doesn't mean Bob didn't do these things.

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST,Nathaniel
Date: 10 May 13 - 08:57 PM

Just a simple question for all you: If I was a Bob Brozman fan, having a young daughter, and decided to let Brozman stay at my place the last time he giged in my country (I'm european), what would I think now about mr.Atkinson who knew all these but never said anything?
Another question comes in mind: If I found out that someone did something like that to my kid, would I let him go away like a gentleman? Noone of the victims' fathers attacked once to Brozman after he found it out. You seem very civilised in the US.

I don't know the truth behind this story and I don't defend Brozman with that. If there are victims my sincerely thoughts are with them.

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST,Bored to death
Date: 10 May 13 - 07:40 AM

Perhaps one should rename the topic : Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT senile claptrap) xD

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST
Date: 10 May 13 - 07:39 AM

Thank you Gene - that was an intense story. I think most of us would be fascinated to learn more about Magic Sam and Angel Dust and I for sure need to hear every Fahey story you have ASAP! But it's hard to scroll down through this huge thread to find your posts and people posting at you make it longer still. How about starting a new thread to tell us the Magic Sam Zootie Bible story and everything you can remember about weird old Fahey?? Thanks!

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST,Adelphi Records- Gene/Peace
Date: 10 May 13 - 07:30 AM

And what exactly is the topic that you have such an urgent need to get back to, sir?

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST,Bored to death..
Date: 10 May 13 - 07:13 AM

Can't someone shut this guy's IP and let us come back to the topic ?

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST,Adelphi Records- Gene
Date: 10 May 13 - 06:30 AM

May 10, 2013

Guest CS----

Your Sarcastic comments not withstanding, what is it that makes you feel the need to hide behind Anonimity? Quite frankly, it's generally only cowards that feel that need because there might be consequences....which you are just not willing to present yourself as a real man, or woman? Perhaps Im just deadly wrong, I often am! :-)

I know that i can be scary, but please come out of your closet, you might actually like it.....I for one absolutely promise that I'll do nothing at all to make you feel comprimised, and most every one else here will most certainly treat you gently......

by the way taking things out of context,is really one of the things that almost everyone despise.

But I forgive you my friend, may God bless you & give you the strength to grow under his protection.
I wish that I could help you more, but I've sworn an oath with my God to finish these posts, and I must now return to task.

Again, May God Bless you & keep you...


Sincerely

GR

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST,gene- Adelphi
Date: 10 May 13 - 06:02 AM

May 10, 2013

Oops, accidental, premature post...continuing:

My sister took it upon herself to Home Educate the child....
There came a time, when the child was almost 11 years old, that she asked if she could "sleep over" because of a brawl going on at her house....she also wanted to sleep in the same bed as Firk & Carol....which they decided was ok but with Full "bundling in effect.
For those of you unfamiliar with the term, it's origins appear to be Scandinavian in derivation...basically, its a way in which a male & female can conserve body heat by sleeping next to each other, but with little to no possibility of "accidental intercourse"....the blankets are wrapped in over/under configurations allowing close body heat tranfer sharing, and Only that.

The abov took place very infrequently......

One day my sister came home from school early, went into the bedroom and screamed when she observed the fully naked child in bed with Firk, with him obviously diddlying her, meaning with one or more fingers in her vagina,doing basically what's called Finger Fucking
this poor child.

Carol grabbed the kid, wrapped her in coats, and took her back to her parent's house....they weren't home!

Carol then bolted as fast as she could from Mt. Airy, straight to our folks house and proceeded to then have a ten day (serious) nervous breakdown, with uncontrollable crying and sobbing around the clock!

After a couple of weeks she felt well enough to return to work....another week or so later, word began leaking to me from the local music community suggesting & then verified that Firk had now turned the MT Airy house, every week-end into a three day round the clock, sex/orgy party.....the word also came that he was writing a new Bible. (can you say PCP?)

After hearing this, Carol pulled herself together, immediately hired a "Top Gun" Female Divorce Attorney.

And then the bottom fell out.....in her first meeting with the Attorney, after telling the whole story, she was advised that she had a life changing" decision to immediately make:

"Carol, we can file a divorce complaint without the police report/affidavit, or we can file WITH the report, but I must advise you, that there's a very strong possibility that after filing the police report, you might be immediately arrested as being an accomplis both during and after the fact, because you,ve waited so very long before filing..; further if you're convicted you will never , ever be allowed to teach again...your sex conviction will follow you forever....Carol had NO problem with the decision....she chose to file the report, so as to make sure that he can never again abuse a chid.....more important then my life or career.An indictment was obtained....Firk found out about it, and immediately fled from MD to Boston Mass. He didn't find out till later, that he saved his life by two hours, as the city Elders showed up at his house with "Hot Tar and feathers and intended to hang him by his balls in his own tree on the front lawn! You can't make up shit like this, and anyone who wants to veryify the veracity, Im more the willing to walk you into the MT Airy Courthouse, where the complete records exit till this very day, and probably for at least another 100 years.

There are protective lessons to be learned from this one....learn well my fellow folkies, learn well!

Nobody, but Nobody ever suspected that Firk had these pedafilia fantasys, let alone that he'd ever act them out!

Next we're going to address the John Fahey episodes, which actually, in their own way, are much closer in nature to the "alleged" Brozman allegations....

Continued in the next post, immediately, I hope.

Gene R.

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 10 May 13 - 05:04 AM

Gene Adelphi: "My coming here had little to do with Brozman, except tangentially.
I came here to post my very personal experiences regarding musician child abuse, etc."

Thank you for clarifying that.

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST,Gene- Adelphi
Date: 10 May 13 - 04:39 AM

May 10, 2013

Let there be no mistake about it, I have never had a personal AXE to grind with Bob Brozman, only knew him briefly in the early/mid 70s where I met him at one Nick Perls Friday night (very exclusive) blues parties..the fact that he was there at all, was indicative of his already well developed style, and "Jamming" ettiquet(sp?).
These parties were attended by the likes of Jo-Anne Kelly, Larry Johnson, Roy Bookbinder, Woody Mann, Larry Cohen (of CBS) often called Larry the "Fed", etc usually 10 to 15 musicians...the other times I met him was through Bookbinder or Mann. Period! Theres no question in my mind that he developed into one of the finest guitar players that youd ever have the luck to; also, the ressurection of the National Steel and the serious reinvention and new inventions of National Steel variations we owe, pretty much single handedly to Bob!
A regards these current claims & allegations, until only very recently I kept an open mind, but I must now admit that I'm almost 100% convinced that the allegations are more then likely true based upon the overwhelming belief by his close friends and the very local music fraternity, that were most close to him. BUT, its just my personal opinion, and that's all. My coming here had little to do with Brozman, except tangentially.

I came here to post my very personal experiences regarding musician child abuse, etc. to show by provable example just how so potentially
dangerous it is, to irresponsibly allow Folk Musicians, or ANYONE else for that matter, to be given free, unmonitored, access to your house, particularly if you have young children or beloved pets.

While I still have some energy left as follows:

Michael Stewart, also know as Backwards Sam Firk, Whose Adelphi Record LP release in 1968 was in fact Adelphi's VERY first release: AD 1001 True Blues & Gospel, with much further recordings of Firk for almost 10 years, & with a second LP release a few years later,and a "Memorial" 3 CD release scheduled for next spring. For whatever its worth to any of you, I personlly consider my now deceased "Ex-Brother-in-law" as the Best, "White" country blues musician to ever pick up a guitar,but again that's just MY opinion.
Now the "down side"- Firk married my sister (yuk), and shortly set up
House-keeping in a large country style house in rural Mt. Airy, MD

Within a year or so, they both became aware of a young female child of about 9 years old, this waif started hanging out in th Stewart yard, soon she had wormed her way into both of their hearts and into their house... it turned out that her home situation (next door neighbor, VERY large land parcel) was an abusive one, not abusive to her but decidedly abusive to both parents, who would regularly get drunk, often ended up dukeing it out in furniture destroying drunken rages.

Firk & Carol, kinda/sorta adopted her, Carol (School teacher) took it upon herself

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 10 May 13 - 03:59 AM

Duck Baker: "I have said many times that Gary Atkinson and the other families involved are preparing a statement that will explain exactly what action was pending. It's useless for any of us to speculate until this happens."


Thank you for some sensible contributions to this topic.

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 10 May 13 - 03:03 AM

I hope some of you are deeply ashamed of yourself when it comes out that this person that you defended to no end did horrific things to young children.. that you defended pure evil.. I also hope you feel ashamed that you would defend someone just because they are famous at the expense of victims who have been beyond traumatized by this monster.

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 10 May 13 - 02:48 AM

I find it funny that so many have so many passionate opinions about this matter. I feel sorry for the people who believe that this man is good just because he was famous for a moment.. Evil is still evil even if you are famous and this was one evil man!!

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST,former student
Date: 10 May 13 - 12:46 AM

I'm sure that Bob was rude or arrogant to lots of people.   He had that side to him.   

But that's not the only side to him.   He would tell all of his students how great a player Debashish Bhattacharya was, specifically saying "compared to him, I'm a beginner."    With the Reunion Islands musicians (specifically Rene Lacaille) he told many a story of how humbling it was to sit in with those guys and to try to pick up on what they were doing.    I saw him sit and jam with lots of great musicians at IGS, and all I saw there was the joy of sharing music.    When you're in a jam like that, you can't be competitive - and that lesson was repeated by example over and over and over on every day of those camps.   When it came time for the student concerts, he (and the other teachers) happily played backing parts for every student who asked, from beginners to pros.


but even if he was an arrogant, insecure jerk....lots of people are arrogant insecure jerks.   For those of you who are saying "I'm sure he did it"...is it just because he was rude or arrogant or disrespectful?

I'm not talking to people who are basing their opinion on talking to the families of the victims, or other first hand experience.   I'm talking to people who don't know any more than what can be read here, but are sure he did it, because he's a big fat jerk.

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST
Date: 10 May 13 - 12:44 AM

Sinsull/ Mary

I don't know what planet you are on or what you were smoking or drinking but your lil cheese incident memoir is part of your big fat holier than thou dramatic fiction.
I was there too. The donated evening snacks for the Getaway are meant to last through 3 nights of non stop music all nighters. When there is selfish thievery it effects more than just a few.

As for the rest of your, out of context, nonsensical comments about yelling at the Getaway management. You are hurtfully lying. I guess you actually were not really awake.
If fantasy and soap opera histrionics is your thing keep it confined to your singing

Sandrolin

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST,guest
Date: 09 May 13 - 11:03 PM

Hi, I am a professional musician for all my life. I am a "Signature Artist and professional endorsee of Martin Guitars and National Guitars" for many years. I have seen and kinda known Bob for 30 years. Though I do not know much about the situation, I have to say that I have NEVER met anyone quite like Bob. It was a running joke that someone could be so arrogant, or basically disrespectful, of anyone who could challenge his " position" in the music world. I have been with musicians that are 20,000 seat seller's. They are humble, and appreciative of the gift they were given. From Bob it was always a threat to his ego. No one could be as good, or better than him. I thought he was one strange fellow. But, I am not going to convict him yet of this abuse. It should all be heard out first. But, out of all the professional musicians I have played with over 30 years, he was one of the most odd. I just thought he was very insecure? I truly hope all this abuse is false, but if I was a betting man( which I am), I will take mucho $$ on the abuse factor. If anyone wants to bet, just let me know. Sincerely, Kenny

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST,Baltimore Bluesman
Date: 09 May 13 - 10:42 PM

I don't have any new facts to report.

Like many of us, I feel like I've been punched in the gut.

The last time I felt like this was when the Unabomer was arrested (I'm a math guy).

I'd like to commend Duck for his courage, integrity, and rationality.

Bob Brozman was a truly great musician.

I would love to learn that this is all a bad dream, but it's not looking likely.

I am reminded of the Honeymooners episode where Ed Norton dresses up for Halloween as his idol, Pierre Francois de la Brioche, the man who designed and constructed the sewers of Paris.

But later, poor Ed finds out that his idol CONDEMNED the sewers of Paris.

I mean no disrespect, I'm just trying to cope with this sad news.

My heart goes out to any victims.

BB

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: catspaw49
Date: 09 May 13 - 10:24 PM

Gene......I generally stay far removed from these type of threads......I read them with some interest more in the people on the thread than the subject. I know jackshit nothing about the whole Brozman matter.

What I do know and from an observational standpoint is this thread is as dead as Tidwell's goat. Right now all you are accomplishing is "rancor in the ranks." Take the advice from Duck Baker above and let this go here for awhile. Mudcat can provide a forum for discussion or a place to lose previous friends by beating a subject to death. You have wandered far away from the original discussion which happens at the 'Cat but generally it means the subject matter has been beat to death. You do nothing by trying to keep it alive except to cause anger and hurt feelings.

Just sayin'..........


Spaw

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST,former student
Date: 09 May 13 - 10:12 PM

thanks for all your hard work, Duck.


(I was the guy you tangled with a couple of days ago. Very impressed with your measured and balanced approach).

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST,Duck Baker
Date: 09 May 13 - 09:24 PM

I'm now on tour and don't have time to add anything. Obviously things have gotten sidetracked. But it does disappoint me after having repeated it all several times to see some basic things overlooked.

One is that when I say the community of musicians near Bob I don't mean people he has worked with around the world. I mean the people in his area, who have known and played with him longest. In that community, people have talked to the victims and families, included one who hasn't been named. You have my word on this - NONE of this community that I know are in doubt, and I've heard from more and more of them this past week. The fact the rest of world isn't privy to things that at this point are being told in confidence, that's the reason I came on the thread. To this musician who posted - keep going back to those who worked with BB in the 70's in CA. Talk to them.

I repeat, when I hear personally from the families of victims, it is no longer hearsay. If you don't know any of these people, well hey - THERE's the reason you haven't heard any of it. So fine, reserve judgment, I understand. But don't get back into attacking victims. PLEASE don't do that. It's pretty weak to say that people shouldn't speculate about Bob and then start speculating about the victims. I mean, really!

I have said many times that Gary Atkinson and the other families involved are preparing a statement that will explain exactly what action was pending. It's useless for any of us to speculate until this happens. I got into some of that, too, but i think I didn't really know enough. Patience is the only thing that will help, there.

Way too late for this for me, and I'm onstage at noon tomorrow.

Gene, when things quiet down a little, I may gave a call about some of things you refer to for the purpose of comparing notes. But that's unrelated to the subject here.

Peace, one and all,

Duck Baker

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST,Michael Segui
Date: 09 May 13 - 09:19 PM

For crissakes Gene.
"Shit or get off the pot"

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST
Date: 09 May 13 - 08:54 PM

People are complex. Just because a person is an incredibly gifted guitarist doesn't mean they couldn't also be a sick pedophile. And just because a person owns a record label and had impeccable taste in music doesn't mean they couldn't also be an insufferable egotist. People are complex.

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST,Anti Gene
Date: 09 May 13 - 08:01 PM

Wow, this Gene character has single handedly laid waste to all the concerned and well thought out posts on this issue. Sounds like Captain Queeg (humphrey bogart) demanding to know who ate his strawberry ice cream. What a nut job! I believe the Broz is likely guilty of these crimes. I believe Mr. Atkinson and the ex wife, who's children it seems were molested. Why Mr. Gene has taken over this thread with all that "look at me, I'm GENE" nonsense and foolish threats while never getting to his actual "shocking story" I can't understand at all. I now intensely dislike two people I've never met in person. If he knocked on my door looking for his cheese I'd shove it up his wrinkled arse. Too bad for Sinsull, wish I'd have been there to help.

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST,anonymous
Date: 09 May 13 - 07:52 PM

The ex-wife left Santa Cruz in 1989. Who was even around to know or say she was "difficult". And the difficulty must have been great indeed. Why not come out and say what you are implying. From what I know she was always extremely supportive of her husband's career. If you know of anything to the contrary, please share. What people don't know is that Bob erased all evidence of ever having a first wife. So he wouldn't have spread stories about a difficult first wife. Those years of his life were dead and buried. By the way, I'm sorry for your sad story, but you have offered very little in the way of compassion. Ask Haley when she found out about the first wife.

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 09 May 13 - 07:38 PM

Gene, again you say your're going to tell us something, then you talk a lot but tell us nothing, then you say you are going tell us something in the next post, which of course you don't.
I will never believe anything you say. You are the chicken little of your own small world. You are also a rude person. Please gather your thoughts, take a deep breath and.... Hold It!

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: SINSULL
Date: 09 May 13 - 07:26 PM

I was molested as a child myself - as were about 50%+ of people in my age group if you accept the research. From previous posts I assume I am allowed to comment.

I would have chosen not to had not my friend Janie been dragged into this travety of a thread.
So, first...why not let the legal system prove the case and exact its punishment rather than wildly flinging accusations?

Second, ( for Janie's sake) I was present at the Cheese Incident. Janie was not involved. Jeanie was. She did not take valuable amounts of food but remnants left on the table and thought by all to be headed to the trash.
Gene did not act rationally when searching out the culprit who stole his cheese. He banged on all the doors in the corridor including mine - keep in mind that at 4AM we were asleep. Threats were made. Screams went on for quite a while and Jeanie wisely refused to open the door until Gene calmed down. She then returned his cheese. I believe that both Jeri and Ranger1 can confirm my version of the story.

This is also the Gene who attacked the management at the Getaway and tried to get Mudcat attendees to overthrow the management and put him in charge. Then too we heard about his brilliant career and accomplishments. We repeatedly pointed out that Mudcat has no influence on the FSGW other than as attendees but it never sunk in. This too is in the thread history and can be verified.


I am SINSULL. My name is Mary and if I choose to attend the Getaway and am in any way threatened by you will handle the incident with police intervention. I am not a GUEST nor a liar. Leave Janie alone. She has bigger fish to fry.

SINSULL

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST
Date: 09 May 13 - 07:17 PM

The very idea of sexual abuse of any child is reprehensible, and anyone guilty should be ostracized and punished. Absolutely NO question.

But, I am troubled too at references to second hand stories, and no verifiable details. (Not that I want details, mind you). This all seems like such an example of the best and the worst of what the internet represents.   Respectfully, mudcat, I don't think this is what you mean for your site to do.

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST,gene Adelphi
Date: 09 May 13 - 07:13 PM

With employees idiot!!!

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST
Date: 09 May 13 - 07:11 PM

http://psychcentral.com/addquiz.htm

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST
Date: 09 May 13 - 07:07 PM

The 'lock up your ukes around the Brozman baritone" comment made my day!

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST
Date: 09 May 13 - 07:03 PM

no we don't if you like it here then just leave & also go fuck yourself

GR

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST
Date: 09 May 13 - 07:02 PM

Gene wrote:

"it took me another day to figure out how o copy the article & comments in a way that would allow reposting"

Wait...you run a record label? HOW???

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST
Date: 09 May 13 - 06:51 PM

You people are a bunch of lunatics! I'm glad I read this, there was some stuff posted at Santacruz.com that had me pretty concerned but now it's plain to see this is the invention of a bunch of whack jobs!

Don't you have anything better to do than slander a dead man's name?

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST,Gene= Adelphi
Date: 09 May 13 - 06:50 PM

5/09/2013

Re: Guest/serious question

Id feel seriously more comfortable, in taking you seriously, if you'd had the common decency to identify yourself as opposed to your guest annonymity(sp)... but since you're the ONLY one to ask a serious question, Ill violate my own rules, one time only:

Your question- Why are you here? Serious question.....

Answer: First of all I've been here off and on for years, generally researching, and/or watching the antics of my FSGW friend/associates like Mick, or Amos, or Ernie, etc.

This round, I thought that I was doing a mitzvah, by posting the Atkinson comments here......my wife & I had done extraordinary research on the issue, because of an announcement from the stage by Lindley at a local performance here at the Jammin' Java, where he announced Brozmans death of the day before, and dedicated a couple of songs to him.....on the way home my wife and I talked about what could cause the death of a 59 year old man,,,,,hmmm probably a massive heart attack.....and we let it drop, a couple of days later rumors began circulating on the web of Brozman's death as a possible suicide......we became very curious, and used all of my research investigative tools to track it/anything down, and after more then a days effort, up came the Santa Cruz.com obit with the attached 8 comments. it took me another day to figure out how o copy the article & comments in a way that would allow reposting.....I then spent another day reposting the Article in multiple parts to two of our local websites- [e-mail] & to www. [e-mail], it wasn't until yet another day had passed that I flashed on posting it to the Mudcat site.........Im sure that youre aware of the Roman/Greek appeal...."Please don't kill me, I'm ONLY the messenger" sometimes it worked and sometimes it didn't depending on the nature of the news and the Angst of the receiver of the message.
Suffice it to say, almost immediately upon my post to what we now call the "Obit thread, my post just flat dissapeared.......a while went by, and various others noticed the post deletion as well as other earlier post deletions and ask SRS what's going on, to which she finally admitted that she had deleted/moved the posts to the "new thread" and added a statement to the effect that it was MY (Gene Adelphi's) post which created the problem, and added a few more derogative terms regarding me & the post. Well at least I now knew where it went, but I wasn't very fond of the abusive attitude that was associated with the move, and was NEVER given the chance to plead: (Don't kill me, I'm only the Messenger) Things went rapidly from bad to worse, with most of my posts being deleted, and finally "my euphemism of sunspotds" meaning that I had been totally banned/blocked----when you try to post up on the screen comes the word BONK! How much more do you want to hear? any of my posts that SRS didnt politically agree with were deleted, and it wouldn't surprise me in the least if this post suddenly disappears too.

Absent a deletion there's now going to be a shitstorm of attacks against me..........if you can lobby these idiots to quit it for awhile, Ill give you the reasons for my would be "serious posts" & I'll post them....absent that you can all go fuck yourselves....

GR

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST
Date: 09 May 13 - 06:43 PM

"I find myself suspicious of the entire story about Brozman, though I admit, I have avoided any details."
Then perhaps you should get acquainted with the details before weighing in?

"I don't know if that is the case here, but the Brozman I knew never exhibited any sign of questionable behavior."
What kind of behavior do you expect him to have displayed in your company? Rubbernecking at 10 year olds as they passed? Saying "damn, that 12 year old had the body of an 8 year old" in casual conversation?
In the case of MOST pedophiles, people who knew them casually, even their friends, would express amazement and disbelief - "I never suspected, he seemed so normal" - your arguments hold no air. Especially when you yourself admit you are unfamiliar with the details.

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST
Date: 09 May 13 - 06:40 PM

Perhaps we should just start a new thread entitled: "Gene Rosenthal Intends to Talk About Brozman but Can't Get to the Point, and Everybody Else Yells at Him For It."

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST
Date: 09 May 13 - 06:35 PM

First, let me say, I will post here anonymously, because the whackadoodle nature of the way the parties who are spreading this story are acting, I can't feel confident that they won't go on the attack of anyone who questions their claims, much less disputes them.

There is nothing conscionable about the way this whole episode has been reported. I find myself suspicious of the entire story about Brozman, though I admit, I have avoided any details. I knew him, and though he could be one cranky son-of-a gun, I never saw a shred of this type of behavior. I'm relieved to see there are others out there that don't automatically believe this just because someone files a court case.   Remember "innocent until proven guilty"? Remember that - you know - the whole basis of our justice system.   Feels an awful lot to me like someone with desire for vengence, not justice, is responsible for posting this story all over the web. It seems like someone who wants to be the center of a whole lot of attention - not someone protecting their child.

I want to add this for consideration. I am female, middle 50's. I was sexually molested as a child by my grandfather, as were several of my female cousins. He was a devout fundamentalist Christian, during a very repressed era.   I was well into my 40's when it dawned on me that he may have molested my mother - who was a very unstable personality all my life - and very paranoid and abusive and controlling.   

When I was 8 or 9 years old, I told my Dad about a "touching" incident with a male teenage cousin and my father stuck up for me. The cousin was excommunicated, and my father let me know that I was right to tell him, he would always protect me. I was lucky in that way, but I never told him about my grandfather, because I was much younger when those touches happened, too young to understand them, but afraid of what might happen. By the time the later incident with the cousin happened, I couldn't draw a line between the memories.    Not too young to remember, it was never a constant memory. Fortunately, in my case, contact with my grandfather was very limited, and it never occurred again.

When I was 12, my mother accused my father of sexually abusing me, and was quite vitriolic about it, though there had been no discussion of anything between her and me. It was not true, not a shred of truth in it, but my mother was angry with him about something else, and she used this accusation as a club to hit him with.   I was mortified, & could not really understand all that was going on, but my denials fell on deaf ears. She acted as if she was defending me, but it was merely a weapon she could use against my Dad. II was too young at that time to understand that something else in her psyche might have been at play. My Dad was far from perfect, but he was not guilty of this. He moved out of our home and started drinking shortly heavily after this episode, and for 20 years, he was not himself. I rarely saw him through those remaining formative years. He and I never discussed this, but he told me later in life that he was grateful that I had continued to love him and see him as a person.

Sometimes a person who has suffered abuse, sees it everywhere, having never dealt with their own issues. I don't know if that is the case here, but the Brozman I knew never exhibited any sign of questionable behavior. The ex-wife was known to be ....difficult... at times.

We will never know the real truth, and I would like to see the speculation stop. These should have remained private matters, within the family, until the girls whose privacy should be protected were old enough to make their owns choices about a public discussion. What the so-called "concerned parents" involved are doing disgusts me, and I wouldn't trust them for that very reason.   They seem too interested in being the center of attention in all this. They drove a man to kill himself. If their accusations are true...isn't that justice enough? Brozman has gone on to meet his maker, and will face the justice of the soul.   These story tellers...their day of reckoning is still ahead. I hope they have not added murdering a man's spirit to their list of sins.

For me, I will pray for everyone - for their souls, for their forgiveness, for the hatefulness to disappear. Brozman's music is still a gift to the world, and whatever his flaws as a man were - he was generous with his music.

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 09 May 13 - 06:04 PM

Looks like Gene's weak spot is his weak business.
Seems to me that you are a guy that really craves respect and awe.
Do you really have to ride the coat tails of a dead, supposed pedophile to get the recognition that you feel is deserved?
Gene, you might want to retake marketing 101and then post somewhere that has people that who give a darn....about you. Man, you are tiresome.

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST,Casper the Friendly Guest
Date: 09 May 13 - 06:00 PM

Well Gene, I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I actually DO own records you have released. I have records by Rev. Gary Davis, Furry Lewis, Henry Townsend, and (my favorite - a truly great record) the one by George & Ethel McCoy. Would you like me to send you a photograph of the record sleeves with today's date stamp, so that you can wipe some egg yolk from thy furrowed brow?
PS - I am not now nor have I ever been a "folkie" of any kind or configuration.
PPS - if you have anything of value to add, please do so once and for all, without any expansive digressions or rambling anecdotes which are of no interest to anyone but yourself.

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST
Date: 09 May 13 - 05:58 PM

>> oh, and if you actually have some Adelphi LPs they're very highly valued items on e-bay

No Stephen Spano, just some Roy Bookbinder, BSF, maybe Delaware Water Gap...did you do their record? Before the "incident"? And I think a Paul Geremia.

I was thinking at first of some really great records, but now I remember those were on OJL.

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST
Date: 09 May 13 - 05:45 PM

I can't believe that you folks are so delusional as to think that I'm here promoting Adelphi
>>>>>



why ARE you here? serious question.

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST,Gene= Adelphi
Date: 09 May 13 - 05:41 PM

cut me a break:

you do not own ANY Adelphi CDs or LPs-----Folkies are absolutely the worst violaters of the copyright laws.....they swap whole ipods, they download from illegal sites, the burn CDR copies to swap in kind with their friends, etc AD Nauseum........

Naird/Afim, years ago, contracted an independant consulting agency to do a statiscally dependable study on this issue......and in all categories folkies were the absolute worst in terms of ACTUALLY buying ANY legitimate music through legitimate retail sources! Who do you think you're kidding? I;vebeen involved in the record business for more then 40 years........its my business to know these things....
some seriously delusional indidual here actually suggested that I was here to promote Adelphi Records LOL to whom? No one here BUYS music, they steal it, seriously.......our website bangs almost a million hits a year.....that's what we call promotion, and we support our distributors, licensees and Artists.....I can't believe that you folks are so delusional as to think that I'm here promoting Adelphi
to whom? deadbeat folkies! LOL

Get a real life seriously.....oh, and if you actually have some Adelphi LPs they're very highly valued items on e-bay.....don/t be a totaslly stupid schmuck, auction them off! Jerk

GR

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 09 May 13 - 05:28 PM

Dear Gene R.

You should pay US for a total waste of time. I really came here to find out more about this sad story of a man I had respect for.
You have hijacked the discussion and are coming across as delusional and self-centered. After putting up with your infantile posts and really bad business proposal I have decided to make this statement to you:
If it is true that Bob Brozman did what he supposed to have done, and If he were still alive, I would rather spend a whole day with him than one minute in your presence.
Get lost and let the adults continue this discussion.
BTW, sorry about still being anonymous, but I feel that if you knew who I was, you would probably tell people I was your best friend....or throw me under the bus....

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST
Date: 09 May 13 - 05:16 PM

Jesus Christ.   Get over yourself.   Go around to peoples' funerals stark naked and gibbering baby talk and you will get the exact same reaction. Go crawl back under your rock now.

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST
Date: 09 May 13 - 05:15 PM

Sheesh, I'm going to throw my small collection of Adelphi records & CDs in the dumpster along with all the Brozman stuff.

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST,Gene- Adelphi/Sunsplash Records & Films, Inc
Date: 09 May 13 - 04:56 PM

May 9, 2013

Post 7a

OK I'll play:

Yo Joe, please give me a call at home later tonight, I have a business proposition for you based upon the following:

As far as I've been able to research, this thread aparently featuring me as the whipping boy, has garnered more posts in a two day period then any other thread in Mudcat history......I guess I'm doing something right, eh wot?

Anyway, part of my business proposal to you goes sorta like this:
beginning tomorrow, mudcat should change it's policy regarding Anonymous Guest posts....ALL such anonymous guest posts should be charged $1.50 through paypal for the privelige of ANONYMOUS Guest postings, as opposed to a "free" membership which, of course, would include All pertinent data regarding being publicly accessible by the posters posts.....
Seriously, the word will get out, very quickly, that for a mere $1.50 (oh there should also be a 300 word limit per post) you get to totally Trash Gene Rosenthal, on line, and that randomly Gene will actually respond to 10% of the posts......further Gene will change "subject matter" at least every other week......I can hold court on copyright law, record/cd mastering. microphone techniques, record label/distribution in the current media dominated network, overseas licensing, ASCAP vs BMI vs SESAC, Digital vs analog recording, digital recording using "pro-tools, or Reaper, etc AD Nauseum forever, with bonide "Expertise"! Think about it Joe.....Mudcat could easily gross 500 to 1000 dollars `a week with me leading the band! :-)
(a modest proposal)

Sincerely

Gene R.