BS: U.S. Senator - Abolish the IRS

Subject: BS: U.S. Senator - Abolish the IRS
From: Songwronger
Date: 04 Jun 13 - 06:37 PM

Senator Ted Cruz - Abolish the IRS

"I think we ought to abolish the IRS and instead move to a simple flat tax where the average American can fill out taxes on postcard," he explained in a Fox News interview over the weekend. "Put down how much you earn, put down a deduction for charitable contributions, home mortgage and how much you owe. It ought to be a simple one-page postcard, and take the agents, the bureaucracy out of Washington and limit the power of government."

Subject: RE: BS: U.S. Senator - Abolish the IRS
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 04 Jun 13 - 07:22 PM

:ate for the cuckoo, no?

Subject: RE: BS: U.S. Senator - Abolish the IRS
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Jun 13 - 07:38 PM

Ayn Rand = Ted Cruz = Mad Max After the Thunder Dome...

No thanks to that world... It looks too much like Somalia...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: U.S. Senator - Abolish the IRS
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 04 Jun 13 - 08:00 PM

So they all put down made up figure and pay as little as they feel like paying? Actually for a lot of very rich people it wouldn't make much difference because that's what they do anyway. It'd just mean they didn't need ingenious accountants to work out the fiddles.

Subject: RE: BS: U.S. Senator - Abolish the IRS
From: Songwronger
Date: 04 Jun 13 - 09:07 PM

A flat tax. Your earnings would still be monitored. You would pay a set percentage at the end of the year. The poor would receive the usual considerations for lack of earnings.

This is the only fair system. No need for thousands of pages of tax code that only benefits the wealthy. No need for lengthy audits. You either paid your flat rate percentage, or you didn't.

Big government proponents will oppose this system while saying it's "Ayn Rand." Of course, the opposite is true. Big government people need their vats of blood money to finance the bureaucracy. They will do anything to protect the current abusive tax system.

A flat tax, postcard-sized tax form, it's the way to go. And with the current IRS scandal, the time for this idea may have finally come.

Subject: RE: BS: U.S. Senator - Abolish the IRS
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 04 Jun 13 - 09:36 PM

How would earnings be monitored if they've got rid of all the people whose job to do the monitoring, as is suggested?

Getting rid of all the loopholes in tax systems obviously makes a lot of sense. But reforms on those lines have no reason to be linked to ideas like flat rates if tax. In fact it would probably be easier to combine them with a tax regime which was heavily progressive. Indeed with one involving a maximum income, and a wealth ceiling.

Subject: RE: BS: U.S. Senator - Abolish the IRS
From: Songwronger
Date: 04 Jun 13 - 09:53 PM

The Treasury Department could monitor. Use the witholding method if you want, refund at the end of the year. Computers could crunch the numbers FAST. Penalty if you don't comply, jail time for problem cases.

John Kennedy drastically cut income tax and overall revenue from income tax went up. People comply with a fair system. Everyone knows you have to pay for certain conveniences.

A flat rate of say 10% on the upper and middle income brackets, tax breaks for the poor. Professional people would FLOOD to the U.S., too, to prosper under a fair tax system.

Progressive taxes have had their chance. They've failed. Too many thousands of pages of loopholes, armed SWAT teams collecting for the IRS, capital flight, etc. Scrap the old system.

Subject: RE: BS: U.S. Senator - Abolish the IRS
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 04 Jun 13 - 10:02 PM

The IRS is the Treasury Department. Your genius idea is to elimiate the name? What is wrong with you? Are you the only person on earth more naive than the folks who voted for Ted Cruze?

Subject: RE: BS: U.S. Senator - Abolish the IRS
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 04 Jun 13 - 10:19 PM

There is no reason that progressive taxing has to be complicated or involve loopholes. It only that way because wealthy people who don't like paying taxes have friends in high places..

Subject: RE: BS: U.S. Senator - Abolish the IRS
From: Songwronger
Date: 04 Jun 13 - 10:26 PM

The IRS is a subagency in the Treasury Department. There are several subagencies, or bureaus in Treasury--the mint, printing and engraving, others. The IRS is the bureau responsible for collecting taxes. It can be shut down as a bureau and Treasury can set up any new system it desires to monitor and collect taxes.

The IRS needs to be shitcanned. It has become abusive. For example, in northern California the IRS just added 2,000 additional agents to strongarm for Obamacare. The IRS has no business sticking its nose in your health insurance.

Abolish the IRS.

Subject: RE: BS: U.S. Senator - Abolish the IRS
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 04 Jun 13 - 10:31 PM

Idiot.

Subject: RE: BS: U.S. Senator - Abolish the IRS
From: Songwronger
Date: 04 Jun 13 - 10:41 PM

I bet you rely on the abusive tax system for your income. It always comes down to pocketbooks. People vote to keep their paychecks coming. Problem is, too many paychecks now come from the federal government. A change in the income stream must be a frightening thought for government dependents. But a flat rate need not result in a diminishment of that stream.

At any rate, the IRS needs to go. Their methods are reminiscent of old King George's. Abusive, lawless.

Subject: RE: BS: U.S. Senator - Abolish the IRS
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 05 Jun 13 - 12:07 AM

Songwronger is a Young American?

Illiterate idiocy doesn't deserve any more comment now than the 300 other times threads on the same subject have been started.

Just another stupid FLAME.

John

Subject: RE: BS: U.S. Senator - Abolish the IRS
From: Songwronger
Date: 05 Jun 13 - 12:27 AM

Yeah, I saw that article.

Financial literacy among old people in the U.S. means belonging to a pension plan that supports Raytheon and Monsanto. Others have to die so that you can live. That's it. That's the system.

And the system is also about to collapse, it's so top-heavy with derivative debt. The Cyprus fiasco is about to happen across Europe and then the U.S. Your savings will be stolen, then your pensions.

Unless citizens begin taking action. A million Turks are protesting Goldman Sachs and the other big banks right now. The Turks know that their country has been taken over by multinational banks. And those banks will starve nations into obedience.

It's not too late for the U.S., but we need to change some things. Abolishing the IRS and restructuring the tax system that favors the wealthy would be a start.

I'd like to see "the greatest generation" take part in the restructuring. Give them a chance to redeem themselves for squandering their childrens' futures. Your descendants are now being crushed under student loan debt, and Obama's "plan" to fix the problem will save the average student loan debtor 25 cents per week.

How'd you oldtimers let things get to this point? And what are you going to do about it? Cruz has a plan. What's yours?

Subject: RE: BS: U.S. Senator - Abolish the IRS
From: Joe Offer
Date: 05 Jun 13 - 01:07 AM

These straight-tax postcard returns seem just the thing. Then all the wage earners can send in their postcards and support their country like good, law-abiding citizens. Simple, straightforward, no loopholes.

What about those people who don't make their money by working for wages? You know, those wealthy folks who make money by investments and inheritances and owning businesses and gifts from Daddy and political contributions from Super PACs? What about them?

And if we abolish the IRS, who's going to keep those wealthy people honest and make sure they pay their fair share of taxes?

Oh.

Subject: RE: BS: U.S. Senator - Abolish the IRS
From: artbrooks
Date: 05 Jun 13 - 07:33 AM

Yes indeedy - lets abolish the IRS as an agency within the Department of the Treasury, and establish a new agency to monitor the tax collection process. What shall we call it? How about the Internal Revenue Service?

Subject: RE: BS: U.S. Senator - Abolish the IRS
From: Elmore
Date: 05 Jun 13 - 06:27 PM

When I lived in Massachusetts they sought to change the name Lynn (Lynn, Lynn , City of sin), to Ocean Park (Ocean Park, Ocean Park, don't go out after dark). Didn't help. Neither will changing the title, IRS.

Subject: RE: BS: U.S. Senator - Abolish the IRS
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Jun 13 - 06:46 PM

Just curious - why does anyone respond to ShitWringer's idiocy? Masochism? A spirit of inquiry to see how absolutely idiotic his subsequent comments may be?

Subject: RE: BS: U.S. Senator - Abolish the IRS
From: catspaw49
Date: 05 Jun 13 - 07:16 PM

I'm with Greg here. We all know tinydonger is a fuckin' shit stirring moron. I used to enjoy jackin' around with their dumb asses but with bearded brucie and tinydonger here it is just ridiculous. I don't think either of them have started anything like a legit thread in forever.


Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: U.S. Senator - Abolish the IRS
From: Songwronger
Date: 05 Jun 13 - 10:47 PM

You bloodsuckers need the federal money. I get it. You want the government to crush it out of the poor so you can continue to pretend you're liberals.

Abolish the IRS. Get rid of its tens of thousands of employees, its SWAT teams, its Obamacare new hires. Get rid of it.

Let Treasury set up a streamlined organization that's about a tenth the size. You wouldn't need legal experts to calculate ten percent--you either paid it or you didn't. Save the investigators for the cases that don't add up and check into those. If a crime was committed, punish.

This must make you big government proponents nervous, but you're about to lose it all anyway. The fiat dollar is dead. So are the other paper currencies. The big banks will play one currency off against another for a while, and then the carbon tax will be brought to you by the same people that stole your pensions and savings. And you'll sign on for it, because it's government approved.

Subject: RE: BS: U.S. Senator - Abolish the IRS
From: Songwronger
Date: 05 Jun 13 - 11:16 PM

Ted Cruz wants to abolish the IRS and go to a flat tax. Ron Paul wanted to abolish the IRS and eliminate the federal income tax. That's pretty extreme, but Cruz' idea seems reasonable. Just get rid of the criminal organization that terrorizes tax money out of the populace, and simplify the tax code.

Something you may not know about the income tax:

The Truth Comes Out: Former IRS Director Steve Miller Admits Taxes Are Voluntary

Steve Miller, former Director of the Internal Revenue Service (IRS), admitted at a Congressional hearing that the taxes collected by the IRS are not mandatory – but voluntary.

When questioned at the House Ways and Means Committee (WMC) hearing last week, Miller told House Representative Devin Nunes that "America's tax system is 'voluntary'". When Nunes remarked for clarification that the US tax code is a "voluntary system", Miller said, "Agreed."

House Representative Xavier Becerra commented that the ruse of the IRS is kept as a public confidence in the system scheme to keep Americans paying money to the IRS.

Miller confirmed this is so.

Subject: RE: BS: U.S. Senator - Abolish the IRS
From: Elmore
Date: 06 Jun 13 - 11:33 AM

Flat tax so millionaires can pay less taxes. Cool.

Subject: RE: BS: U.S. Senator - Abolish the IRS
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Jun 13 - 11:58 AM

How the %$#$ can they pay less than zero, Elmore? Or perhaps Cruz means we should be subsidizing them to a larger extent.

Of course Cruz IS, and always has been, a moron - this is only one of his many cunning plans.....

Subject: RE: BS: U.S. Senator - Abolish the IRS
From: beardedbruce
Date: 06 Jun 13 - 12:15 PM

Hey Spaw,

"tinydonger is a fuckin' shit stirring moron."


Are you tired of being stirred????

Subject: RE: BS: U.S. Senator - Abolish the IRS
From: Elmore
Date: 06 Jun 13 - 12:21 PM

Greg f. Not sure that Cruz is a moron. Definitely a demagogue though.

Subject: RE: BS: U.S. Senator - Abolish the IRS
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Jun 13 - 12:50 PM

Are you tired of being stirred???

Yo BB (i.e. BullshitBruce) Are you tired of behaving like a retarded two-year-old????

Subject: RE: BS: U.S. Senator - Abolish the IRS
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Jun 13 - 12:51 PM

Not sure that Cruz is a moron. Definitely a demagogue though.

There's a pretty convincing case to be made for both, Elmore.

Best,

G.

Subject: RE: BS: U.S. Senator - Abolish the IRS
From: beardedbruce
Date: 06 Jun 13 - 12:53 PM

Greggie,

You jealous again because I am so far ahead of YOU????

Subject: RE: BS: U.S. Senator - Abolish the IRS
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Jun 13 - 12:56 PM

RE: 6 Jun 13 - 12:50 PM

Q.E.D.

Subject: RE: BS: U.S. Senator - Abolish the IRS
From: beardedbruce
Date: 06 Jun 13 - 01:01 PM

Don't worry, Greggie boy. You may reach two SOMEDAY.

Subject: RE: BS: U.S. Senator - Abolish the IRS
From: Elmore
Date: 06 Jun 13 - 01:01 PM

Brucie: Never call anyone Greggie. It makes them cranky and unpleasant. Elmore (aka Greg D.).

Subject: RE: BS: U.S. Senator - Abolish the IRS
From: beardedbruce
Date: 06 Jun 13 - 01:04 PM

Elmore,

Let Greggie F know that if he calls me "Brucie" I WILL call him Greggie.

Only fair, don't you think? Or are there two different rules around here, for those in the majority, and those in the minority?

Subject: RE: BS: U.S. Senator - Abolish the IRS
From: Elmore
Date: 06 Jun 13 - 01:24 PM

Oops. Sorry BB.(never thought I'd say that) Did I miss something? I was raised by elderly people calling me Greggie. Infuriated me.Is this thread drift?

Subject: RE: BS: U.S. Senator - Abolish the IRS
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 06 Jun 13 - 01:54 PM

Wow!! Thread drift on this thread is the only sane course of action.

Subject: RE: BS: U.S. Senator - Abolish the IRS
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Jun 13 - 01:56 PM

See, Elmore, there's one of the cognitive problems I'm talking about I'm talking about; I'd have to check with Piaget to narrow it down.

I've never once called BullshitBruce "Brucie".

Beardy, yes.

Subject: RE: BS: U.S. Senator - Abolish the IRS
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 06 Jun 13 - 02:19 PM

Its not the worst thing he has been called.

Subject: RE: BS: U.S. Senator - Abolish the IRS
From: Elmore
Date: 06 Jun 13 - 02:24 PM

Hell, BB called me a clever nitwit? What means that?

Subject: RE: BS: U.S. Senator - Abolish the IRS
From: beardedbruce
Date: 06 Jun 13 - 02:27 PM

From: Greg F. - PM
Date: 06 Jun 13 - 01:56 PM

See, Elmore, there's one of the cognitive problems I'm talking about I'm talking about; I'd have to check with Piaget to narrow it down.

I've never once called BullshitBruce "Brucie".



NEVER is a long time, even for a scumbag racsit liar like Greggie (F) Boy


Subject: RE: BS: Unpopular Views of Obama Administration
From: Greg F. - PM
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 02:03 PM

Democrats getting outspent? Not so fast

So how many dozen different threads do you inted to post the same lies and bullshit to, Brucie?






In any case, i reserve the right to respond to his use of Beardy/Beardie, and other derogatory changes to my posting name.


*I* amd not the one who states that "Black and a Democrat" is the same as "dumb Ni**er.:

GregF IS.

ANd has wide support here from fellow liberals and at least one Mudelf.


Pretty soon we will have threads with signs on them saying "liberals ONLY"

Subject: RE: BS: U.S. Senator - Abolish the IRS
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 06 Jun 13 - 02:33 PM

"Pretty soon we will have threads with signs on them saying "liberals ONLY" "

Why? When banning hyperbolic hysteria would accomplish the same thing?

Subject: RE: BS: U.S. Senator - Abolish the IRS
From: Elmore
Date: 06 Jun 13 - 02:42 PM

So, what do you say we all keep a civil tongue in our heads? ....... Nah!

Subject: RE: BS: U.S. Senator - Abolish the IRS
From: beardedbruce
Date: 06 Jun 13 - 02:45 PM

No, but do not ask me to be civil when you do not ask those abusing me to be so.

I reserve the right to give back whatever is thrown at me- and get the SAME consideration that is afforded others, or call out the bigots as such.

Subject: RE: BS: U.S. Senator - Abolish the IRS
From: beardedbruce
Date: 06 Jun 13 - 02:51 PM

Attack my facts, and PROVIDE FACTUAL data, and we can debate. You may have information I have not seen.

Hate my opinion, then provide your own. You might have some view I am unaware of.

Attack ME, and I will attack right back. You prove you have no factual basis for debate, and have chosen ad hominem , and deserve whatever you get.

Subject: RE: BS: U.S. Senator - Abolish the IRS
From: Elmore
Date: 06 Jun 13 - 02:53 PM

In the words of Major Sydney Freedman, "Ladies and gentlemen, take my advice. Take down your pants and slide on the ice."

Subject: RE: BS: U.S. Senator - Abolish the IRS
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Jun 13 - 05:36 PM

Ooops- sorry, BullhitBruce - Once, 2 years ago. Mea culpa. I promise never to do it again, Beardy.

You must have a great deal of time on your hands - when you might be doing something useful instead - to wade thru decades of posts in order to bring nugatory points to everyones' attention.

But I do uunderstand - it's tough to be objective when you know that the whole world is out to getcha- most likely because you're Jewish.

Subject: RE: BS: U.S. Senator - Abolish the IRS
From: Songwronger
Date: 06 Jun 13 - 06:58 PM

How the %$#$ can they pay less than zero, Elmore? Or perhaps Cruz means we should be subsidizing them to a larger extent.

Of course Cruz IS, and always has been, a moron - this is only one of his many cunning plans.....

The first sentence of that is germane to the topic of the thread. With a flat tax, the wealthy would be forced to pay income tax. No loopholes to hide in.

Subject: RE: BS: U.S. Senator - Abolish the IRS
From: Elmore
Date: 06 Jun 13 - 09:27 PM

Surprise. Flat tax is equal, but flat tax is not fair. Read a book.

Subject: RE: BS: U.S. Senator - Abolish the IRS
From: Elmore
Date: 06 Jun 13 - 10:03 PM

In an earlier post, I referenced Major Sydney Freedman. Should be Sidney with an I. Sorry.

Subject: RE: BS: U.S. Senator - Abolish the IRS
From: Songwronger
Date: 06 Jun 13 - 10:17 PM

The U.S. government has proven it cannot operate within the confines of the law. Leave it no wiggle room on the application of the income tax. No tax loopholes, no favoritism to fatcat donors. Flat tax, all pay the same percentage. The surge in tax revenue coming from the wealthy would offset the reduction from the middle class. That would be "fair" to the majority. So what if George Soros has to pay taxes all of a sudden. Boo hoo hoo.

Subject: RE: BS: U.S. Senator - Abolish the IRS
From: beardedbruce
Date: 07 Jun 13 - 07:56 AM

Greggie boy, it ws more than once- Shall I post more?



0.7742 - Thread - Message - RE: BS: Unpopular Views of Obama Administration - Oct 27 2010 2:03PM -   Greg F.
Summary: Democrats getting outspent? Not so fast So how many dozen different threads do you inted to post the same lies and bullshit to, Brucie? Mud Elves take Note

0.7742 - Thread - Message - RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? - Apr 15 2010 6:26PM -   Greg F.
Summary: And you're posting this why, Brucie? Are we supposed to all jump to the conclusion that this was done by "THE FAR LEFT"? Jesus, Man, you've sunken to new lows (I'll admit, I didn't think it was possible)- your boy Rush would be proud of ya.

0.7742 - Thread - Message - RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? - Apr 15 2010 6:26PM -   Greg F.
Summary: And you're posting this why, Brucie? Are we supposed to all jump to the conclusion that this was done by "THE FAR LEFT"? Jesus, Man, you've sunken to new lows (I'll admit, I didn't think it was possible)- your boy Rush would be proud of ya.

0.7742 - Thread - Message - RE: BS: The republicans (US) - Mar 11 2010 3:21PM -   Greg F.
Summary: Hey, Brucie: Lets review reality: 1. When Bush took office in 2001, he was handed a $236 billion budget surplus. 2.When he LEFT office, he handed the Obama admin a $1.3 trillion defecit, PLUS projected shortfalls of $8 trillion for the next decade. 3. The Bush admin added more debt in its eight years than ALL THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATIONS IN THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF THE U.S. COMBINED. 4. And in so doing, created the economic cesspool that the country now ...

0.7742 - Thread - Message - RE: BS: The republicans (US) - Mar 11 2010 3:21PM -   Greg F.
Summary: Hey, Brucie: Lets review reality: 1. When Bush took office in 2001, he was handed a $236 billion budget surplus. 2.When he LEFT office, he handed the Obama admin a $1.3 trillion defecit, PLUS projected shortfalls of $8 trillion for the next decade. 3. The Bush admin added more debt in its eight years than ALL THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATIONS IN THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF THE U.S. COMBINED. 4. And in so doing, created the economic cesspool that the country now ...

0.7742 - Thread - Message - RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama - Mar 10 2010 12:09PM -   Greg F.
Summary: Care to justify the present attacks on those who do not agree with the president??? Jeezis, Brucie- take it up with Karl Rove, why dontcha?

0.7742 - Thread - Message - RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama - Mar 10 2010 12:09PM -   Greg F.
Summary: Care to justify the present attacks on those who do not agree with the president??? Jeezis, Brucie- take it up with Karl Rove, why dontcha?







So, not only are you AGAIN , but you have shown you cannot even count, or know what you have posted in the past- If you don't like what you did, you just tell everyone you doid not do it.

And YOU are the present representative of liberals on HOW many threads????

Subject: RE: BS: U.S. Senator - Abolish the IRS
From: beardedbruce
Date: 07 Jun 13 - 08:19 AM

I reserve the right to give back whatever is thrown at me- and get the SAME consideration that is afforded others, or call out the bigots as such.