Miley Cyrus

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: selby
Date: 28 Aug 13 - 04:30 AM

There is no such thing as bad publicity, and publicity makes money. She is a singer and an actress and that is what she does, Cher did it a long time ago and I don't think she is poor. The boy bands are marketed for the girls and do raunchy routines
It is how the pop business works.
Keith

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 28 Aug 13 - 04:25 AM

It's also pretty tamed down from Ndombolo - here - http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D8l9XzAVTeTE&h=_AQGNJS_i

and note cultural pathway briefly explained here - http://vimeo.com/15089105

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 28 Aug 13 - 04:02 AM

I don't think all that much of Thicke's "Blurred lines" - although it does reference a significant cultural phenomenon of such mixed messages - but if you compare the VMA dance routine with the uncensored official Thicke video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyDUC1LUXSU you will also see the Miley Cyrus dance routine paying homage to a number of parts of the video - even down to the big foam finger.

The outrage seems to be because a woman took the initiative this time. That is discriminatory.

I detect the same dual standard in Gibb Sahib's post here - considering his championing of the cruder versions of shanties (Particularly "Whip Jamboree") in the past on this site.

In general the Miley moves were very bowdlerised compared to Jamaican dancehall - examples here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uY88mEdF54g

and here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHUhj9o8mbc.

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: Phil Cooper
Date: 27 Aug 13 - 11:33 PM

I didn't watch. I don't feel any connection to most of the music the VMA show promotes. So, my opinion is pretty much the same as Deb Cowan's.

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 27 Aug 13 - 11:13 PM

well, speaking as someone who reckons Robin Thicke's "Blurred Lines"
is one of the best pop singles for nearly 2 decades..

..it's certainly a very daft performance setpiece..

fair to say even quite shite....

but hardly lewd enough for anyone on any extreme side of the perennial morality vs. art divide
to seriously get their knickers in a twist about...????

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 27 Aug 13 - 09:59 PM

Isn't it about time someone praised it as the new folk music?

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: Jack Campin
Date: 27 Aug 13 - 09:17 PM

At some point, if they want their careers to continue, girl performers in pop need to make some sort of statement that they want to be seen as women performers. She's doing exactly what Kylie Minogue did a couple of decades ago, and without obviously heading for a celebrity meltdown as Britney Spears did when trying the same thing. So it's hard to see a problem.

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: Gibb Sahib
Date: 27 Aug 13 - 09:12 PM

Are you really puzzled, Richard?

Or are you, perhaps, feigning puzzlement to make a point of how you envision sexuality *should* ideally be—that is, void of any cultural trappings?

I agree that this is not a big deal (i.e. in perspective), but it's clear why there would be "buzz" over the incident. And it's got nothing to do with "USAian" (American, thanks) conservatives and Christians.

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: PHJim
Date: 27 Aug 13 - 08:59 PM

Richard, If that performance was representative of Miley's talent, then you can't really blame Lizzie for criticizing it. I realise that what Lizzie or I or the other posters here like might not be the same as your tastes, but I find it really hard to appreciate the talent that went into that performance. Often I can appreciate the talent that goes into a performance, even if I don't like listening to it, but not in this case. I will admit that this is the first and only piece of Miley's musical work that I have ever seen or heard, but I don't think I'm about to run out and listen to any more Miley based on that.
I didn't find her performance disgusting, just uninteresting.

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: DebC
Date: 27 Aug 13 - 08:53 PM

I certainly have more important things to be concerned about.

Deb Cowan

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: Jeri
Date: 27 Aug 13 - 08:01 PM

She may have talent, Richard, but the it wasn't evident at that awards show. Someone once told me that a musician has to decide whether they want to be known for their music or their personal lives, because that's what people will care about. True, pop music is a bit of both talent and personality. But while I'm sure she sang something, I can't remember that at all.

Meanwhile, Lady Gaga ended up in a thong bikini, waggled both butt cheek, and I remember her song. How she managed to do that with what I saw as taste and the 21 year-old girl in a (warning: Miley ass photo) glute-tube symbolically fucking a big foam finger made me hope there were paramedics standing by backstage with an emergency dose of Monistat. That rubber didn't look like it breathed much. It would have been funny if it weren't so sad. Aw, the hell with it... it was still funny.

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 27 Aug 13 - 06:31 PM

Lizzie, you are an idiot. Two of the highest selling US songs of the year and you say "non-talent"? Jealously and fear are your problems.

As for children - STAY AWAY. You and your kind have done almost as much to damage the minds of children, both in your hostility to learning and in your hostility to the sexuality which WILL make them happy as the Spanish Inquisition.

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: Jeri
Date: 27 Aug 13 - 06:29 PM

I suspect "jumping the shark" will be translated to "humping the foam finger", but probably just for pop music.

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: Little Hawk
Date: 27 Aug 13 - 06:26 PM

I suspect she's doing exactly what her handlers want her to do...thus gaining great notoriety...which makes money for whoever is sponsoring her.

In any case, I haven't been interested enough to even watch that video, despite the fact that it's there on the Youtube page every time I open it. Nothing about it that attracts my interest. I watch videos of music I like and find interesting, and I don't think I've ever watched one of her videos yet.

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: Jeri
Date: 27 Aug 13 - 06:18 PM

Desperation breeds contempt. I think that's it. She's just trying waaaaay too hard.

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish
Date: 27 Aug 13 - 06:17 PM

grooming of our children, Richard, for a start...

It was the most vile and disgusting charade of non-talent I've ever seen..and if that's all she can offer she should walk off into the sunset now...

Geezus!!!! SO many INCREDIBLY talented musicians who get NO recognition at all and yet this appalling semi-pornographic farce has become world-famous?????

Truly, if this is where we are going, as a species, it's time for all of us to start appearing in Mudcat's Obit Threads, as in, the entire human species, because we are so fucked up now that truly, it's time to retire, as gracefully as we can...

Give me Audrey Hepburn any day...and the sooner we go back to those days, the better!

YEESH!!

And let's examine the folks BEHIND this revolting spectacle, shall we? And ask their motives, other than to make her infamous for being such a prat....

Miley Cyrus embarrassing the Human Race....Beam us up, Scottie!

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: Wesley S
Date: 27 Aug 13 - 06:13 PM

I think a lot of it stems from the fact that she used to be a "Disney Kid" on a squeaky clean show for young girls. And they don't want to see her change.

Subject: Miley Cyrus
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 27 Aug 13 - 06:08 PM

OK, puzzled here.

Don't people understand that pop and rock music is about sex?

That being so, what is upsetting people?

I see proclamations of Xtianity - shit they did that about Presley.

I see worries about the sexuality of her performance - they did that about Presley too.

I see stuff about twerking - well, apart from the issue of whether ipse dixit it is about electrically induced reactions, have people not watched African dance or Jamaican dancehall?

What is it with the right =- and particularly the USAian fundagelical right?

Women are sexual beings (as are men) and have the same liberty as men to sexual display.