Miley Cyrus

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 30 Aug 13 - 01:11 PM

>>>"Lizzie, you are an idiot. Two of the highest selling US songs of the year and you say "non-talent"? Jealously and fear are your problems."<<<

Oh, Richard, you DO make me giggle! I've never heard these songs, don't listen to the Crap spewed out by the Corporate Sociopathic Music Bastards...


"As for children - STAY AWAY. You and your kind have done almost as much to damage the minds of children, both in your hostility to learning and in your hostility to the sexuality which WILL make them happy as the Spanish Inquisition."<<<


I don't want my children to be 'happy as the Spanish Inquisition' Richard...I'd rather they fought against Sociopathic Nutcases...

(sorry, couldn't resist THAT one!)


I don't want children being sexualized from the moment of birth, Richard...I'd rather they had something called CHILDHOOD, where perverted minds like Miley's can't reach them, but Twinkle Twinkle Little Star can...

Miley is as Miley does....and truly if simulated Masturbation and Anal/From Behind Sex is ALL that she can think of to sell her..erm...music..or give her erm...fame, well I think it's time the Human Race bowed out gracefully really....

And please, with your next comment, please, don't go breaking my achey breaky heart, Richard..

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 30 Aug 13 - 12:42 PM

"To add to the yuck factor, the first half of Cyrus's folly showed her dancing harmlessly with giant *teddy bears*.
Then she stripped down further and showed how she'd "grown up."
Get the picture? Doesn't every 14-year-old want to grow up?"

It's not so much the 14 yr olds but the 7 yr olds. 14 yr olds are well on their way to being "all grown up" but Cyrus' fan base is still substantially forged on her Hannah Montanna foundations which are made up of younger children. And MTV knows this which is why aiming the awards to show at a time suitable for a young audience, was as it was put above a 'Trogan Horse tactic'.

As I said previously, if Cyrus wants to have some fun (and it's clear she is, and I've no problem with that) playing with her "good little girl" Disney image by subverting it with kink / fetish 'brat' sexual themes involving giant teddy bears and grinding against older daddy figures, then using her actual little girl fan-base as a means to gain 'shock' media attention, is both exploitative and cynical.

That said, though I think her music (and this performance) is crap and some of her attempts to go all 'hood' are misguided; speaking from a female perspective - and despite finding her initially annoying - I've decided I actually kind of like Cyrus; I like her assertive boyish style and fronty / non-passive manner (I think in the US they call it 'spunky' which means something else again in the UK, but we'll pass that by) all of which incidentally was highlighted by RB in the OP. In short, as a role model for actual *teenage* girls I don't object to her at all

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 30 Aug 13 - 10:42 AM

> Too late. It's already been done.

In front of millions? Well, maybe. But they can probably combine it with something else.

Like gladiators.

Looks like Manzoni's time has come round at last:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artist's_shit

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 Aug 13 - 10:01 AM

I don't pretend to know what goes on in the mind of a 14 yr. old girl

I have no real proof, gillymor, but I am pretty sure it will be a very similar thing that goes on in the mind of a 14 year old boy, but more sensible :-) And I DO know what goes on in the mind of a 14 year old boy because I was one, albeit a long time ago, and I cannot believe a 14 year old in 2013 is vastly different to a 14 year old in 1967. Which was, if I remember rightly, the summer of love!

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 30 Aug 13 - 08:55 AM

The fact that something is ridiculous doesn't mean it is funny. As demonstrated in this instance.

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 30 Aug 13 - 08:46 AM

Dave, I don't pretend to know what goes on in the mind of a 14 yr. old girl, as I said "I wonder" in regard to the ho comment. I do know that my daughter has become a fine person and I believe it was due in large part to the type of art she was exposed to as a young girl (much credit to her mother).
As for MTV, GIGO.

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 30 Aug 13 - 04:36 AM

"pop stars *excreting* to music"

Too late. It's already been done.

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 29 Aug 13 - 01:51 PM

To add to the yuck factor, the first half of Cyrus's folly showed her dancing harmlessly with giant *teddy bears*.

Then she stripped down further and showed how she'd "grown up."

Get the picture? Doesn't every 14-year-old want to grow up?

(IRONY ALERT: Maybe next year's Awards will have pop stars *excreting* to music. I mean, somebody will think it's cool, so where's the harm? And the year after, gladiators! They're bored on death row, and most would prefer brief stardom to the needle any day. Let's all have some fun, MTV!)

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Aug 13 - 01:36 PM

Gillymor, your explanation is fine. I only used your quote as an example of the many so please don't thing I was picking on you. However, you just said "how many 14 year old girls think it would be way cool to be a 'ho in some rappers' " I don't think that will happen. I was first hooked on Jimi Hendrix, followed by Alice Cooper and Ozzy Osbourne. I was 14 when I got into Rock Music. Neither me nor any of my friends ever tried to shag our guitars, hang ourselves or bite the heads off bats. Surely you need to credit the current 14 years olds with as much sense as I had and, hopefuly, you did?

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: Jack Campin
Date: 29 Aug 13 - 11:44 AM

it did look like a pedophile's dream

She's nearly 21 and to me looks every month of it and then some.

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 29 Aug 13 - 11:23 AM

I too long for the days of good, clean filth.

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 29 Aug 13 - 10:33 AM

well.. to my middle aged provincial west-countryman eyes,

no matter who's doing it, no matter how 'hot' a 'babe' they might be,

twerking on the telly in flesh coloured PVC incontinence pants
just looks a bit too immature and silly....


When will this daft fad end..??

What next...

Ann Widdecombe twerking on saturday tea time light entertainment TV specials !!!???



Now if it was real grown up women with natural bushy pubes dancing the "Can Can" with no knickers on...!!!!!

that's the kinda positive dance music culture videos more to my particular tastes...

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 29 Aug 13 - 10:21 AM

DtG,
My "this piece of shit needs to be oppressed for at least another thousand {years}" remark was a bit of hyperbole in response to to something Richard Bridge wrote and it's not something that I advocate. I don't care wether or not people watch and enjoy this, that's their business. What I object to is the Trojan Horse tactic that MTV used in marketing this raunch to 14 year olds who were Hannah Montana fans. Parents are ultimately responsible but in this case many felt they were the victims of a sneak attack and they probably were. When my daugther was a teen her musical heroes included Emmylou Harris, Joni Mitchell and later Patti Smith and she became a good amateur singer.
I look at this Miley Cyrus thing and some of the other garbage on MTV and wonder how many 14 year old girls think it would be way cool to be a 'ho in some rappers' (white or black) posse.
(My god, have I become my parents?)

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Aug 13 - 08:30 AM

No, and I didn't do that.

You did not indeed, CS, and I did not suggest you had. My comment was merely an observation and if you thought it referred to you then I apologise.

MtheGM

it is not a 'race' thing to suggest that one performer, no matter of what race, may be better then another, is it?

It is not, Michael, but I was remarking on the comment "white artists badly mimicking black artists" and pointing out that it could be construed as racist (please note that I also said "could well be for all I know") to say that a black artists perform better in some fields that white ones.

Suzy, I can understand how the two above comments were misinterpreted and I could have phrased them better but please note that I said "parents should take some responsibility here". How you get "all the responsibility censorship being laid at the parent's feet." out of that is beyond me. I agree that there is a social responsibility too, which is why I said 'some responsibility ' rather than 'all responsibility'. But also note that the prime responsibility must be with the parents. It would help if those who have nothing to do with my children, such as TV executives, would help a little but as far as my children are concerned, the buck stops here. Other people seem to abdicate all responsibility and blame everyone but themselves.

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: Suzy Sock Puppet
Date: 29 Aug 13 - 07:46 AM

Dave, I'm tired of all the responsibility censorship being laid at the parent's feet. There ought to be a little social responsibly along with the cashing in. This show was intended for the younger set. They ram this stuff down everybody's throat indiscriminately.

CS, it did look like a pedophile's dream. Yucky. I agree. Let's forget her together.

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 29 Aug 13 - 07:33 AM

Moreover, DtG, it is not a 'race' thing to suggest that one performer, no matter of what race, may be better then another, is it? It is the quality of this particular performance that is at issue (together perhaps with the motivations for the presentation), not the ethnicity of the person performing it.

~M~

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 29 Aug 13 - 07:24 AM

"To generalise that a whole race is better than another is not an acceptable argument is it?"

No, and I didn't do that. However we do have a very long history of white appropriation of aspects of black musical culture; it's effectively what our music industry is built upon. It can be done with various degrees of success, but because of that history, it needs to be attempted with some care and not to mention artistry. Often it can be done very badly. The line between exploitative appropriation and creative fusion is a fine one, as is the line between racist parody and respectful homage. I don't know if Cyrus management wanted to achieve the latter, but my guess is not. I think all they wanted to achieve was a massive boost in publicity for their product through crude (by which I mean blunt/overt) tactics designed to provoke outrage among the parents of the young children watching the show (remember that 'teen' in marketing terms does not align with 'teen' in actual age terms), clearly they succeeded doing that very well.

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Aug 13 - 06:38 AM

I am pretty sure it is now viewed as racist, and could well be for all I know, to say that black people do some things better than white people and vice-versa :-) Surely all songs and dances can be, and often are, performed equally well by people of all races. To generalise that a whole race is better than another is not an acceptable argument is it? All that aside though I do know what you mean and, like I said earlier, the routine did nothing for me whatsoever. May have done 40 years ago, but now - nothing :-( Maybe it was not mimicking black/minority culture but simply an experiment in fusion that, to some, did not work? I am sure others found it fine and I maintain that the type of negative criticism displayed above does no-one any good.

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: Jack Campin
Date: 29 Aug 13 - 06:31 AM

Getting banned from teen/preteen shows in a blaze of publicity is a good tactic if you want to move out of that market.

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 29 Aug 13 - 06:17 AM

OK Dave to qualify my prior comments about the only routine being "a bit crap" and white artists badly mimicking black artists - I do think that if white/mainstream culture is going to appropriate elements of black/minority culture, then those who do so should at least treat them with some degree of respect, by which I mean do it well. Otherwise it comes over as a tacky pastiche rather than genuine homage to the culture you're borrowing from - hence the "racist minstrelsy" comments Cyrus' show has attracted from some quarters.

Anyhow, it seems the more attention I pay to Cyrus, the more she seems to be annoying me - time to forget she exists again! :-D

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Aug 13 - 05:57 AM

That's fine, CS. I fully understand your viewpoint and agree to a certain point. I am not sure it is geared specifically at teens and, even if it is, teens can see far worse on the internet every day. As for pre-teens, well, parents should take some responsibility here and ensure that their children are not subject to anything they don't want them to see. But, as I say, you do have a very fair point.

What I am on about though is not that but some of the the comments, above, about it being crap etc. I may not like it myself but why pee on someone elses parade? I would, and often do, get annoyed at people taking the piss oout of folk music or condemning it in the same way this is being slated by music fans on here. Would it not be fairer just to say they don't like it rather than justifying that dislike by saying it is crap?

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 29 Aug 13 - 05:49 AM

That said, I definitely see why she would enjoy subverting her public image as "wholesome role model" The onion really had that pinned.

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 29 Aug 13 - 05:39 AM

"Poor taste? Yes. But, even if you feel it is poor, it is to other peoples taste. So why the hatefest?"

I've never knowingly given Cyrus any attention before now. We were asked to share opinions so did so.

I think there are a number of things going on here, firstly it's mu$ic clearly created for and marketed AT kids/children/pre-teens, fair enough, but the reason the act attracted attention, wasn't for sexualised content per se (plenty of that about after all), but sexualised content aimed AT an audience of children - the show was at a specifically teen music event. To compound matters, there was also a whole heap of sketchy peado references with the the dancing teddy bears and having a fully clothed old bloke (he's twice her age) miming bumming a girl who's just stripped off of a teddy bear outfit.

If Cyrus wants to explore kink/fetishistic teddies, daddy and naughty little girl sex themes in her umm art, that's fine but to target it at a child audience for the sake of getting more media attention, is exploitative and plain shady.

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: GUEST,Mad Jock
Date: 29 Aug 13 - 05:05 AM

a very catchy song promoting the idea of getting screened for Bowel Cancer was just played on Radio Scotland, Perhaps she should sing it. Title.... Test you Poo.

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: GUEST,Mad Jock
Date: 29 Aug 13 - 05:05 AM

a very catchy song promoting the idea of getting screened for Bowel Cancer was just played on Radio Scotland, Perhaps she should sing it. Title.... Test you Poo.

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: GUEST,mad jock
Date: 29 Aug 13 - 04:34 AM

its doing precisely what she wanted ....getting people talking about her ...even here on a site about Folk Music

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Aug 13 - 03:55 AM

Poor taste? Yes. But, even if you feel it is poor, it is to other peoples taste. So why the hatefest? There are lots of people who's tastes are not for folk music, opera, jazz, classics and all sorts of other things. But to call it crap and worse for not liking it is very intolerant. I don't particularly like the routine but I would never dream of saying it should be 'oppressed for a thousand years' and other such like.

As has been said before, don't like it? Don't watch.

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 29 Aug 13 - 02:45 AM

Good Guardian piece there Suzy. As for Cyrus after hearing her anodyne ear-rot I'm firmly with Lizzie on talentless. Two number one hits? There are obviously a few too many 11 year old girls with pocket-money burning a hole in their pockets. Eh, plus ca change!! ;)

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 28 Aug 13 - 10:07 PM

How long before a "Twerk Out" video on Amazon.

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Aug 13 - 10:03 PM

Ya' know what...

When I was a kid growing up in the 50s I remember the old folks talkin', "These kids these days"...

What goes around, comes around...

Hey, I have now seen a clip of the performance and...

...I don't give a rat's ass... The P-Vine and I don't dance like that but I ain't gonna be like them old folks I grew up around...

Time moves forward... I say...

...get over it...

Plus, the kid is hotter than a three dollar pistol...

B;~)

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 28 Aug 13 - 09:54 PM

Bloody hell !!!!

Bad enough it's all over the news and internet;

now my mrs is rabbiting on about 'twerking' !!!???


Please God, no..

spare me the thought and sight of her fat arse gyrating and thrusting in my face ........


Bollox, all it needs now is for the local community fitness centre
to tack on twerking to the 'over 50s' zumba classes ...............

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: Suzy Sock Puppet
Date: 28 Aug 13 - 09:02 PM

Here are the results of a philly.com poll:

Out of 1593 votes, 316 or 19.8% loved her performance. Out of the remaining 1277 who were offended by her performance, this is how it shakes out: 242 or 15.2 % were most offended by her outfit (including the foam finger); 500 or 31.4% by her twerking; and 535 or 33.6% (including me) by her tongue action.

That lolling tongue was grotesque and creepy, like something out of "The Exorcist." It put me off immediately. To say that her costume and hairstyle were in poor taste would be an understatement. Tacky tacky. Little Cindy Lou Who pigtails that looked more like little horns but no sexy she devil, more like possessed child. That wasn't twerking. She was up there flailing around half the time like Jim Morrison on a bad night. She was utterly graceless, unfeminine, not sexy at all. ..

Excellent commentary of Miley Cyrus' MTV Awards performance:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/26/miley-cyrus-twerking-not-wo

The last line sums it up:

"The other problem is that I'm afraid she just isn't very good at it."

I'll second that.

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 28 Aug 13 - 08:35 PM

And that piece of shit needs to be oppressed for at least a thousand more and in this instance "music and dance" = "bumping and grinding"'

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 28 Aug 13 - 06:33 PM

I am greatly offended by the movement of this thread to BS.

It is about music and dance.

The fact that it also concerns politics and discrimination is no good reason to move it.

Folk music is about a thousand years of oppression and discrimination.

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: alanabit
Date: 28 Aug 13 - 01:13 PM

I haven't seen the clip, but I am really enjoying hearing a lot of people getting their knickers in a twist about a little girl dancing. I think everybody has got some enjoyment out of it, even if it is for vastly different reasons.

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 28 Aug 13 - 01:09 PM

> it sounds insincere to talk as if you don't see why *other* people would be riled.

Or to imply that, after all, it's "just their opinion," while one's own point of view, neither elaborated nor supported, is "obviously" so much more.

The intentional, greed-driven, narcissistic subversion of levels of public discourse and behavior (around the globe in this case and in the faces of millions) is indefensible on civilized terms.

Hint: anyone who'd like to defend it might start with Rousseau's empty claim that "Man is born free, but everywhere he is in chains." (Maybe he meant "norm-free.")

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 28 Aug 13 - 11:48 AM

From The Onion 2008, worth a watch:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOgj2etJs3Y

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: Gibb Sahib
Date: 28 Aug 13 - 11:21 AM

I detect the same dual standard in Gibb Sahib's post here

What dual standard, Richard? I said I agree that, as far as sexuality is concerned, this is not a big deal—that is, one can easily fin much worse (or better, depending on your view) "displays." But so what? Contexts vary. There are several elements of contexts that, as I said, make it very clear why there would be much buzz surrounding this. That is despite the fact that you or I might look at it and think "Pfft, whatever." Hence my asking you directly (not speaking about you in third person) if you were truly puzzled.

In regards to sex, who does it with whom (age, age gaps, genders, relationships, class, race) and when (public/private, before/after marriage, after short time/long time) and why (fun, love, cash) etc all in fact matter to people - these variables reflect how people view what might be the exact same act in every case. Whether you view that should not be how it is OK, but it sounds insincere to talk as if you don't see why *other* people would be riled.

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: catspaw49
Date: 28 Aug 13 - 11:09 AM

Y'all be fucked up Jack...That bitch is hot! She's so fine I'd even suck her Daddy's dick!

Now can we put this crap thread below the line or file it under "DC" for dumbass content or something?   


Spaw

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 28 Aug 13 - 10:53 AM

Except in duration, Cyrus and Thicke go beyond anything shown in the Ndombolo video, which isn't live, isn't in real time, and doesn't simulate ultimate sex acts.)

Gibb is right: "cultural baggage." At a Roman bacchanale, people would have been disappointed, not offended. But simulating sex on live TV, with all those little nuances, is culturally taboo *all over the freaking world.* Think that fact "restrains artists"? Tough. It's still a fact. Like their millionaire "handlers," right up to the lords of MTV, the performers were *intentionally* giving the finger to a *worldwide* audience, including parents expecting a show rated for 14-year-olds. And for the Benjamins, baby, the Benjamins! The Benjamins that they're counting on the dumbest audience members to shoot their way, stat!

Except for the novel use of the football-fetish foam finger, I don't see any "art" there. It's people pretending to screw in public without falling off the stage. And in your face, as the saying goes, while the live audience cheers.

Is it wrong to be creeped out that Cyrus's parents(unlike, for example, Robin Thicke's mom) were among those cheering? (Billy Ray, a Christian fundamentalist, called his daughter's performance a "blessing," which must mean, "Her God-given energy and lack of taste and talent will make her famous and possibly super-rich!" I guess he didn't notice her cute little "devil horns.")

The act didn't showcase song or dance. It was designed to say, "We can and will do any goddamn legal thing we want in public for cash because we're already rich celebs. And you'll beg us for more!"

BTW, have no prominent feminists observed that the Thicke & Cyrus act was unarguably the most blatant and self-indulgent mass-media degradation of women into pure male sex fantasy in the history of television? (On the other hand, "The Benjamins! The Benjamins!")

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: Padre
Date: 28 Aug 13 - 10:23 AM

YAWNNNNNNNN!!!

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 28 Aug 13 - 10:14 AM

The only marginally "offensive" thing about Cyrus' dance, was that it was kind of crap. I do like to see strong female performers who can dance doing it well. I actually watched the whole video waiting for some kind of shock moment, then when it was over realised that I must have missed it! I dont' think that white women shouldn't try to dance like black women, only that white women who can't dance shouldn't try to imitate black women who can :-/

This is good and much sexier: Ciara

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Aug 13 - 09:48 AM

Like they say, "If you don't want to see it then change the channel"...

B~

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 Aug 13 - 09:21 AM

"Just another tempest in a piss-pot over yet another bimbo.
Who gives a shit, and why?"

Not me.

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: John P
Date: 28 Aug 13 - 09:20 AM

This kind of performance is, apparently, what our society wants and rewards. Most of pop music is like this. What, there's a line between overt sexual display and extra overt sexual display?

If someone wants to engage in sexual display, who cares? If you don't want to see it, your job is to not watch it. I really don't like using sex to sell music, but I dislike people trying to censor it even more. I think the whole concept of not showing things on television because of their sexual content is offensive. I am appalled that I am being asked to help protect the morals of children when I disagree with the morals and the children aren't mine. I am appalled that kids can't see sex on TV but they can see hundreds of people get violently killed every day. If we're going to practice censorship, let's at least get real about it.

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 28 Aug 13 - 08:43 AM

The outrage seems to be directed toward MTV for manipulating the rating system to suggest this was suitable for 14 year olds. As for the artistic content it reminded me of some 3rd rate Miami kitty bar with better production values.

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 Aug 13 - 08:43 AM

Just another tempest in a piss-pot over yet another bimbo.

Who gives a shit, and why?

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 28 Aug 13 - 07:50 AM

I'm not convinced by Hadley Freeman - she seems to be saying that white people must not try to dance like black people.

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 28 Aug 13 - 04:53 AM

There's an exellent article on this by Hadley Freeman in the Guardian. Miley Cyrus's twerking routine was cultural appropriation at its worst

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Aug 13 - 04:37 AM

It looks no more ludicrous than any of the other girl singers/groups who use sex to sell music. Bit of a sell-out in my view but, what the heck, I find her music quite listenable and the display certainly does not offend me.

As to the link to grooming children, all I can say is WTF??? OK, children need protecting, but from who and what? I was sickened to see this article about an innocent person being suspected of child abuse because of attitudes like our local panic monger. Scream first ask questions later (if at all) seems to be prevalent nowadays and that often does far more damage than anything that Ms Cyrus may do.

Just my 2 pen'urth

DtG