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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: akenaton
Date: 02 Sep 13 - 05:35 PM

Are any of the US "left" prepared to demonstrate against strikes on Syria? We hear very little of any opposition, tho' polls suggest that over 60% are against military strikes.

Remember the huge demos against the Iraq war, were those just against a Republican administration, or are they beginning to see that foreign policy is the same no matter which party is in power?


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: Ed T
Date: 02 Sep 13 - 02:48 PM

""Hezbollah has said they will NOT attack Israel should the US go ahead with strikes on Syria.



Giving their record of truthfulness (or, any of the players in this conflict, for that matter) - Do you really think one should "go to the bank" with that, or any other related political statement on this type of issue? :)


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Sep 13 - 02:41 PM

Hezbollah has said they will NOT attack Israel should the US go ahead with strikes on Syria.


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: Ed T
Date: 02 Sep 13 - 02:18 PM

Some alternative thinking:

IMO, Iran's involvement can not be ruled out - through their military wing in Syria, Hezbollah. This group is closely linked with Iran, and is working in league with Assad to regain control of the country.


Why would Iran have an interest?

Firstly, Iran (and Hezbollah) are anti USA and anti Israel. Both the USA and Israel could some day soon attack Iran over the nuclear issue. Getting the USA directly involved in Syria may diffuse a direct attack,could lesson arab and international support for USA and could strengthen Russian and China's (behind the scene) military supply commitment to Iran (and Syria). A bonus may be to find a reason to get Israel involved (increasing arab and anti-Israel religious) support to syria (such as Turkey) and Iran. It may be good timing, considering the poor state of affairs in Lybia, Egypt and Yemen and considering Pakistan and the USA are having issues..


Iran has the means and material to supply Hezballah, who owes them alot. This groups has a record (along with Syria) in meddling in Lebanan's affairs in a deceptive manner.


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 02 Sep 13 - 01:41 PM

I think you misunderstood me. I wasn't alluding to you saying Assad did it.
We're cool.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: number 6
Date: 02 Sep 13 - 12:23 PM

GfS .... I never did say Assad did it ... in fact I'm saying I don't know who did it ... what I have said in another thread is that Assad is not epicentre of this madness anymore ... knocking him out will not put a resolution to the situation ... as you said (hits it right on)the genie is out of the bottle ... my friend's family who fled Syria would certainly agree to that statement. BTW, these people fled via Beirut and arrived in Canada with only what they could stuff inot their carry-on baggage.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 02 Sep 13 - 11:47 AM

I agree with you biLL, up to a point. I think it rather illogical, that Assad would be the one behind it, though...and there are mixed reports as to who really was. I also agree with those who think Obama REALLY fucked up with his 'red line' blathering. THAT is what put him in a spot to have to 'put up or shut up'. I heard an interview yesterday with John Kerry, where the reporter was really pushing him on why the 'back down'. It was clear to see, that Kerry got pissed off, and looked very 'uncomfortable', to the point that he was raising his voice, at the interviewre's questions, as he was finding it difficult to satisfactorily answer all the questions, as smooth as he would have liked, while being pressed. That being said, I thought Kerry did a pretty good job, all things considered.
I DO believe there is a LOT more than meets the eye, about all of this, and I do NOT rule out some covert activity. It certainly DOES fit a pattern. Most of the victims were not militants, but large amounts of civilians, in fact mostly all civilians, which seriously puts into question as to who was doing the targeting, and WHY? Why would the Assad regime risk bringing in the U.S.??..Makes no sense..unless there is a ruse going on. Why no militants killed, unless the militants did it, to invite support for their side?
One thing for sure, Obama is looking like an idiot, (again) for giving his hot air speech about the 'red lie'..ooops..'red line'. That being said, if it wasn't for his political rhetoric, he wouldn't be looking as bad as he is, nor looking for a scapegoat to get out of this. He is getting NO international support, except for France.
I still hold the line on the Keystone pipeline is their goal, as to replacing the Saudis...and he can't get away with 'ripping them off', without more turmoil in the Mideast, to pull it off. I still think his 'green energy' ruse, was just a matter of greasing his cronies, while appealing to the liberal base, to do it. When gas prices spike, as a result of all this, THEN we'll see more public support soften for him to drill here, 'out of necessity'.

What I have noticed, (as if anyone could help avoid 'noticing'), is that the world situation, is spinning out of control, into absolute chaos...and the mask has been lifted, from our 'ability' to help put the genie back into the bottle. Coupled with that, our military has been downgraded quite a bit, and the American public has been worn down with all these 'wars', at the behest of the international financial leaders.....Meanwhile, back at the ranch, our own inflation, is not being accurately reported, causing concerns and quite a bit of discomfort here at home...All this, is going to cause a call for some 'relief'. That WILL be a selling point for the Keystone pipeline, and increased drilling. How they work their way out of the agreements with the Saudis, will just be public relations maneuvering...and if it takes more killing, gassing, overthrows and disruptions over there, they'll do it!!....and ARE doing it!!! It's only a matter, at that point, is 'containing the chaos'!

On a lighter note, music is also a matter of containing the chaos, but that's another story.....

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: Stringsinger
Date: 02 Sep 13 - 11:28 AM

There are those who will profit from another war. The U.S. has sarin in it's stockpiles of dangerous weaponry.

No one here has any credible evidence of how it was used one way or another. It's all speculation.

No one here knows the maniacal thoughts in the mind of Assad. Remember the pattern, Hussein gassed the Kurds and Bush used that as a pretext to invade Iraq. Does the
Syrian incident ring any bells?

Cui bono? The MIC does.


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: number 6
Date: 02 Sep 13 - 08:31 AM

Our CoCo is also a rescued greyhound. Five years on the track and one lame front paw she is now living a life she deserves

I do suspect greyhound racing is a money laundering scheme orchestrated by the CIA.

ok ... in all seriousness

I have no answers in what the hell is going on with Syria. I really do not think anyone here on the Madcat has clue. It has evolved into cesspool of inhumanity and human misery. I do know people who have escaped recently from Syria. They themselves do not really know what is all behind it, and they also don't know what the future holds for the country even if the U.S. steps in militarily to try and correct the situation. As they say, when the U.S. starts to drop the bombs they'll be shocked to see their is nothing left to bomb.

Anyway ... as I stated previously and I'll say it again, I don't know if the CIA is behind the Sarin missile attack but I would not be surprised if they where.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 02 Sep 13 - 08:17 AM

Thanks Ake..It makes sense to me

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST,Musket curious
Date: 02 Sep 13 - 07:51 AM

I too have a greyhound. Never heard the term ringer applied to it. I am aware that entering into sport competitions under false pretences is a criminal offence if it is to unduly influence the outcome.

We got ours from a rescue centre where many of the criminal practices in the murky world of greyhound racing are displayed and potential owners of rescued greyhounds encouraged to support the ending of.

My reference to ringing was that my wife amongst many thousands is a ringer. Bell ringer, change ringer and often, wrongly, campanologist.

What the flying any of this has to do with rescuing greyhounds is beyond me? Other than giving money to support better welfare of racing dogs and lobbying my MP for better regulation, I don't equate CIA with giving a dog a nice retirement.

Could this be the next CIA conspiracy theory? ?? Or is there a bit of crude attempts yet again to ridicule some members of Mudcat.org?


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: akenaton
Date: 02 Sep 13 - 07:09 AM

I'm sure YOU could spot a "ringer" at 100 paces Bill!


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Sep 13 - 06:55 AM

Teribus, you start talking common sense and you're going to mess up this thread.


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: number 6
Date: 02 Sep 13 - 06:53 AM

I happen to own a greyhound.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: akenaton
Date: 02 Sep 13 - 05:39 AM

For the information of anyone concerned, a "ringer" in racing terms is a dog or horse which is entered in a race to impersonate an animal of faster or slower speed.
The animal must look identical to the one to be impersonated, even down to the earmarks (political affiliation)

I think that Michael may be suggesting that Mr Obama is perhaps not what he tries to portray himself to be (liberal or democratic)?

All greyhound owners should be aware of the meaning of the word "ringer"......I have encountered several in these pages :0)


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: Teribus
Date: 02 Sep 13 - 04:31 AM

"Did CIA launch the Sarin missile in Syria?"

Nope, so far I can see no advantage to be gained by the USA of getting involved in Syria.

The difficulties involved with the CIA getting hold of a missile, or missiles, and then getting it/them (you would have to have at least one spare as a contingency) into a position surrounded by troops loyal to Bashar Al-Assad and firing it (Was it indeed just one missile or a number of them?) would be enormous and extremely risky - just think of the repercussions if they were caught. The attack would have to be launched from such a location in order to reduce the degree of deniability on the part of the pro-Assad camp.

" I very much doubt it was Assad's forces. They don't need to. They wouldn't want to, because it doesn't help them in any way, but hurts them. They are already winning their war anyway." - Little Hawk

So far there seems to be no decrease in the armed opposition to the Assad regime and all Syria has got to look forward to is a prolonged insurrection or an open civil war. There has been no signs in any let up in the finance and aid being provided to the "rebels". Left as it is this internal conflict could run on for decades, and at one point or other Russia will look for alternative horses to back, so it has to be resolved as far as Assad goes sooner rather than later.

I presume that at the end of this President Bashar al-Assad and his Alawite minority wish to remain in power, with the minimum amount of interference from neighbours within the region - so why would he use chemical weapons? Simple, he would use them, the same way that Saddam Hussein (Another Ba'athist Regime leader) did - to terrorise his people. They give up their armed struggle, and his neighbours are "cowed" into acceptance of the position inside Syria, or face possible Chemical weapons strikes by "international terrorists".

That is why there has to be some form of response.


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 02 Sep 13 - 01:53 AM

It's about drilling our own oil, and the Keystone pipeline.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST,Musket curious
Date: 02 Sep 13 - 01:37 AM

He's a ringer?

Never seen him ring a peal in any of our local towers. Mind you, never noticed any black dude change ringing. ..

If that sounds silly and prosaic, it matches my thoughts when I saw the name of this thread. Nobody can work out the Middle East Co dependencies and national interests. It would be better for Western countries to have a dictatorship where the voting majority would welcome a religious state. See Egypt for details. ...

So there is a chance, believe it or not, that the reaction to the germ warfare might be a humanitarian concern. If somebody could tell me what Western leaders would gain by another theocracy in the area, then and only then would I stop laughing at the absurdity of the thrust of this thread.


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: michaelr
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 10:26 PM

Whatever!
Fuck all these theories. The fact is and remains that if the US gets involved with miltary action, things cannot but get worse.

And if Obama really does go in, I'll take that as proof of what I've been saying: He's a ringer.


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 08:33 PM

Thank you, biLL.
It's rather refreshing that someone takes it right(as in correctly), than to be stupidly accused of being on the edge of the lunatic fringe....even though, I must admit, I do spend time there, now and again, taking pictures, talking to the wildlife, and being amused!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 08:09 PM

"well , my mistake ...misspell the word ...:) ..hahaha .."
Don't worry about it Skarpi - still chuckling trying to work out what was on the menu - 'bombe Glacée' maybe!
Jom Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: number 6
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 07:55 PM

Good one GfS !!

regarding the "'benevolence'" ... I thought it was meant to be meant facetious.

and the best regards to you GfS

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 06:58 PM

Naw..just the right questions!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: Bill D
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 06:36 PM

♫"Absolutely, Mr. Gallagher?"
"Positively, Mr. Sheen!" ♫

Must be nice to know all the answers.


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 06:11 PM

Suzy Sock Puppet: "Whatever. More violence solves nothing."

You might have missed this, or we cross posted...

GfS: "I think that they are warring with the objective of RE-uniting, but under what form of 'law'...neither which, of course, takes in the wishes of their own people..(sorta like us, huh?).

Much the same way they've got the imaginary 'right wing vs left wing' fighting each other...while getting us to disregard, that we are really just one!!!..it buys them time, and provides a smoke-screen!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 05:57 PM

Oh..and my remarks about the 'benevolence' stuff was meant facetiously.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: Suzy Sock Puppet
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 05:54 PM

Whatever. More violence solves nothing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: number 6
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 05:47 PM

whoops ... "these now so called rebels is orchestrated by various extremists groups mainly out of the Iran." .. I meant out of the Saudi. .... Sunni extremists.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 05:45 PM

biLL, Right...Iraq and Iran were at war before we 'stepped in' and 'helped' Iraq...then Iran(Iran/Contra)..and not everyone in the world has such and immediate frame of reference, as those in the West...ie. US. I think that they are warring with the objective of RE-uniting, but under what form of 'law'...neither which, of course, takes in the wishes of their own people..(sorta like us, huh?). The bankster/globalist/ industrialists only give a shit about the oil/money/power/control..(money just being a tool).
I think before this is all over, Israel will probably have to take them all on!..even us, IF we aren't taken out of the way first!

So to once again quote Mr. Dylan...."Something is happening, but you don't know what it is...Do you, Mr. Jones?"

When I last 'signed off' on my last post to you, I signed of with 'Regards'.....I take that back.....





Highest Regards!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: number 6
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 05:01 PM

"why would you use any chemicals or WMD's aren't machine guns and bombs, benevolent enough?"

Yes, but guns don't stir up the emotions of fear and anger like chemicals or WMD ... you need something dramatic to convince the people that they must go to war.

Over a hundred thousand people murdered by conventional [sic] weapons, more than 1 million people are now refugees and that was not enough to compel the western world of the brutality that is going on ... but over 100 people murdered by gas, that presents another picture.

But ... is it too late? You will now have to take on Iran over this. Iran, there had to be a good excuse to take on Iran. Now they have one. After all, there are no more rebels against Assad, The brutality (which parallels anything Assad's troops had previously done) of these now so called rebels is orchestrated by various extremists groups mainly out of Iran.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 04:54 PM

..or even the U.N. Security Council...keeping in mind that all five of them ARE the world's largest traders and suppliers of arms.

biLL, You ARE thinking!!!
..now hopefully those who are lost in political parroting, either side, (as if there is a difference) may catch what you've got, and it goes 'contagious' here in Mudcat-land!

Regards biLL!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: number 6
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 04:36 PM

A yes, the CIA   ..... known in the last 10 years to outsource their torturing ... one country that the CIA rendered suspects to was Syria ... there was cooperation between the U.S. and Assad the ruthless dictator's Syria.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 04:29 PM

Jack the Sailor: ""Whoever did it, I very much doubt it was Assad's forces. They don't need to."
Unassailable logic to be sure."

Right.

Besides, why would you use any chemicals or WMD's aren't machine guns and bombs, benevolent enough?

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST,JotSC
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 03:55 PM

Of course the CIA lunched Sarin...it tasted great!
Every bad thing that happens in this world has the heavy hand of the CIA on it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 03:02 PM

"Whoever did it, I very much doubt it was Assad's forces. They don't need to."

Unassailable logic to be sure. So you are saying that they only did what they needed to do? That they needed to machine gun protesters in the street and kill tens of thousands by dropping bombs and scuds on civilian neighborhoods?


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 12:27 PM

I've posted some stuff about a years or so ago, that looks more and more related. You may recall my earlier post, in which I put forth, that two countries had to 'go' before the U.S. could get out of the 'agreement' that Kissinger made with the Saudis, back in 1979, under the Carter administration. Jordan and Saudi Arabia. Is it just coincidental that Syria threatened to attack both Israel AND Jordan, if the U.S. took military action against them(Syria)...and now we got this story? If anyone doesn't know what I'm talking about, I'll post some more on it...but bottom lining it is this: To get out of the 'deal' that Kissinger made with the Saudis, was they buy our Treasury bonds, and we buy their oil, and not drill here. I tend to think, that this has more to do with justifying the U.S. breaking that agreement with the Saudis, and let them being ripped off and just 'holding the bag', as we move forward with the Keystone pipeline...and come off, 'smelling like a rose'. To accomplish it, the whole of the Mideast has to be either 'hostile' to us, or in turmoil. Next part of the story to 'justify' the scam, is the weapons came from Saudi Arabia, as the alleged 19 terrorists, (out of 22)who took part in 911. I remember Bush's speeches about invading Iraq, AND ANY other country where they were, or who were supplied from....somehow, Saudi Arabia just seemed to 'slip through the cracks...repeatedly....but as I posted before,(and you can look it up), the Saudis would be the LAST on the list....and then, oh goody, we get our pipeline!!!
It was a scam from the beginning (a brilliant one, depending on your point of view)..and it's a scam now! That is not to say that the Saudi connection is true or not....but it sure adds 'acceptable momentum'!!!

As 'insane'(?) as ever,

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 11:47 AM

Here's a search page of sites....Don't know IF the CIA had anything to do with it, or if this is a 'cover story' or a 'trial balloon'...but my first hunch (in the other related thread)is looking better as time goes on....
Don't know if this is 'CYA' for the CIA..but I heard it on the radio, last night

I don't know of the reliability of these 'sources'..a couple are suspicious..but I just don't know....but here's the 'new' story.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: Bill D
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 11:41 AM

"...below are just some of the atrocities the CIA has been responsible for in the past."

number 6-- Even IF the CIA promoted some stuff that they then lost control of (and the El Salvador & Angola stuff are good examples), I would not assume that its guidance & makeup is the same today as it was 35-50 years ago!
I could type for an hour explaining the logical flaws and fallacies in that type of speculation, but those who prefer to attribute almost ANY set of problems and tragedies to conspiracies by "them"...CIA, Bilderburgers, etc., will find some hypothesis to satisfy their need to feed paranoia. If Syrian 'whistleblowers' were to sneak out and admit that govt. forces gassed all those people, some would suspect the whistleblowers were paid BY the CIA. Once you get a good conspiracy scenario going, it takes only a little rewriting of the script to account for all new information... (good info or just other conspiracy theorists' invented info!)

I simply do not see any sane reason to speculate that the CIA, even **if** they wanted an excuse to mess about with the situation, would choose Sarin gas on civilians in hopes of spuring the USA or the UN to....do what? Start a war that would engulf most of the MIddle East?

Ever hear of Occam's Razor? It would be just as easy and more reasonable to just suspect that Assad's regime was seeing how much they could get away with- hoping that little would happen...........but...naaahhhh, much too boring to just blame those who HAD known supplies of gas and were desperate.

I, personally, have no inside information on exactly who did that horrible thing, nor am *I* competent to get the information and analyze all its implications--- but I AM competent to recognize bad arguments and careless speculation!


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: Rapparee
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 11:26 AM

I'm sorry, Skarpi, but there are many, many people who don't mind if children are killed...and always have been.

IF someone other than Assad did that, I'd suspect the Mossad or Iran, trying to draw the West into military action. Iran would be more likely -- Israel does NOT need more trouble on its borders.

But...suppose Iran was working with their friend North Korea. With the attention and wrath of the world focused on the US, NK invades South Korea....


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST,Ed T
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 11:17 AM

Considering China's *nd Russian's historic records on human rights and politics, I would hardly excuse them as "innocents" in this affair-as they clearly have recently added fuel to the fire in this country and region. History shows their "steadfastness" in backing their faviourites and helping the USA to make stupid and counter-productive moves.


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: Greg F.
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 10:20 AM

Is it unreasonable to also suspect that there are interests who may wish to lure the USA into a unpopular exploit to further alienate countries and groups against them?

Not unreasonable, but certainly superfluous. The U.S. is doing a fine job of this on its own.


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: Suzy Sock Puppet
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 10:19 AM

number 6, that was really informative. Thanks a lot. I think it's possible too.


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: Bobert
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 10:14 AM

Congrates, Skarpi... You have beaten songwronger to this conspiracy theory... Well done...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST,Ed T
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 10:09 AM

Is it unreasonable to also suspect that there are interests who may wish to lure the USA into a unpopular exploit to further alienate countries and groups against them?


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 10:04 AM

I am sure the Russians do know, but would they inform on their friend.
He is such a good customer.


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: skarpi
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 10:01 AM

guest Ed T , I did not say they did , but I asked and wondered
about if is so ? ...

just some thing wrong about this .

the Russian should also know if the Syria Government did this ,
they have their people there as well .
and no one wants to kill children I think .

all the best Skarpi


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST,Ed T
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 09:40 AM

# 6 And I did not finger you as saying that either - I just put the suggestion made in the OP, added to by other posts, into logical perspective. When a suggestion is made, it seems prudent to subject it such thinking to avoid some folks using it to form a conclusion, (which seemed to have occured in one follow-up post).


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: number 6
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 09:13 AM

Ed T .... I never did declared that it did provide evidence ... I stated "but looking through the history of the CIA's past would I be surprised if they did? ".

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST,Ed T
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 08:37 AM

No doubt the CIA has been involved in bad deeds in the past, as othes have.

But, does that provide evidence that the CIA was responsible here. It suI suspect that would not represent good logical thinking based on that alonem


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: akenaton
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 08:33 AM

You draw a nice conclusion No 6.


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