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Subject: BS: You must set new password! *grin* From: Bill D Date: 10 Oct 13 - 10:10 AM Attempting to Set A New Password Website: Sorry that password has expired - you must register a new one. User: Did anyone discover that password and hack my computer? Website: No, but your password has expired - you must get a new one. User: Why then do I need a new one as that one seems to be working pretty good? Website: Well, you must get a new one as they automatically expire every 30 days. User: Can I use the old one and just re-register it? Website: No, you must get a new one. User: I don't want a new one as that is one more thing for me to remember. Website: Sorry, you must get a new one. User: OK, roses Website: Sorry you must use more letters. User: OK, pretty roses Website: No good, you must use at least one number. User: OK, 1 pretty rose Website: Sorry, you cannot use blank spaces. User: OK, 1prettyrose Website: Sorry, you must use additional letters. User: OK, 1stinkingprettyrose Website: Sorry, you must use at least one capital letter. User: OK, 1STINKINGprettyrose Website: Sorry, you cannot use more than one capital letter in a row. User: OK, 1Stinkingprettyrose Website: Sorry, you cannot use that password as you must use additional letters. User: OK, 1StInkingprettyroseshovedupyourassifyoudon'tgivemeaccessrightnow Website: Sorry, you cannot use that password as it is already being used. |
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Subject: RE: BS: You must set new password! *grin* From: catspaw49 Date: 10 Oct 13 - 10:19 AM Good one and pretty accurate. LOL Thanks Bill. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: You must set new password! *grin* From: Bill D Date: 10 Oct 13 - 10:39 AM Super27califragilistic94expialidocious95? website: we suggest Super27califragilistic94expialidocious143.. |
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Subject: RE: BS: You must set new password! *grin* From: frogprince Date: 10 Oct 13 - 10:40 AM And that is a perfect example of how a MYTH (a story that isn't factual) can be absolutely TRUE. : ) I recently had to reset one password; couldn't find the appropriate one in the pile in the drawer for nothin'. In this instance I had to talk it through with a rep on the telephone. Was just getting it reset when something hit a snag, and I had to come up with one more new password with no time to think. That password is now "Ihavetworeset" |
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Subject: RE: BS: You must set new password! *grin* From: Joe Offer Date: 10 Oct 13 - 10:48 AM By the time I've entered four passwords and had three rejected, I've forgotten the password that actually works. There has to be a better way. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: You must set new password! *grin* From: EBarnacle Date: 10 Oct 13 - 10:59 AM I tend to remove from computer to computer. Every so often, Outlook insists that too many people have been accessing my e-mail so I must reset the password. Feh. |
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Subject: RE: BS: You must set new password! *grin* From: Bill D Date: 10 Oct 13 - 11:10 AM Better way? Sure... either a program like Password Safe where you keep ONE password to 'open the safe' for access to various others if you must have others. (there are several free programs of this sort) or... a single PW with slight variations using something like a keyboard pattern....such as QWERTYUIOP backwards with odd (1,3,5,7...etc.) numbers in between letters, followed by your dogs name. I use EITHER a weird keyboard pattern (that is easy to remember but looks random) OR a combination of Latin botanical terms not likely to be associated ...with numerical endings. I have not needed to change either in 10-12 years. |
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Subject: RE: BS: You must set new password! *grin* From: Ron Davies Date: 10 Oct 13 - 01:05 PM It also seems to help if you use an Apple rather than one of Mr. Gates' products--which are well known to be the target of every virus writer in the world. I've very rarely had to change passwords on this computer. |
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Subject: RE: BS: You must set new password! *grin* From: JohnInKansas Date: 10 Oct 13 - 01:12 PM My most annoying password difficulty has been with a corporate site that imposes a "three tries and you're out" rule. If anyone makes three attempts to log in that are unsuccessful, that "account" is locked. The "real" password won't even be accepted when the ask you to enter "old password" to validate assignment of a new password. The only way to get a new password is by telephone to a number NOT DISPLAYED at any page that tells you they're not gonna let you in. Accounts are in your "real name" (as deteermoned by them) so I assume that one - or more - of the approximately 28 people (that I know of at the company) who would be "assigned" the same "real name" as mine are attempting to access my account using their password, resulting in lockup of my account. In six months, I made five attempts to login, and had to get a new password EVERY TIME. On at least two occasions, a "new password" was locked out within 24 hours of being assigned. I haven't attempted to access that site for about eight years now, and they wonder why, and why I demand that ALL CORRESPONDANCE BE BY SNAIL MAIL ???????? (Fortunately, it's not a very important site: just the benefits and insurance site for my corporate retirement plan ... .) Like many companies, they did demand new passwords for access to the company network, every 60 days or so for active employees IIRC. You could not re-use recent prior passwords, but they only remembered the last three way back then, I believe, so you could rotate four or five of them to reduce the memory load by only remembering which one you used last (it's a lot of "new passwords" if you've been there almost 40 years). They didn't require "secure" passwords by current standards then either, but may have gotten smarter by now. John |
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Subject: RE: BS: You must set new password! *grin* From: GUEST,Eliza Date: 10 Oct 13 - 01:15 PM I know one shouldn't, but I have a little book in the study just for all the passwords needed for dozens of different sites. I ran out of past cats' names, first letters of sayings/phrases, my mum's myriad siblings' nicknames etc etc. I recently tried a thing on Yahoo which tells you if a suggested password is 'weak' or 'strong' and all mine are pathetically weak. It seems you have to put capital letters in among them and numbers, dashes etc in a right old unmemorable mixture. I'm too darned old for all this rubbish, I'm convinced it sends my blood pressure soaring! And then ... to have to change the blessed things ... aaaaaggghh! |
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Subject: RE: BS: You must set new password! *grin* From: Greg F. Date: 10 Oct 13 - 01:21 PM You bet, John! - snaiil mail is the answer. Cheap, secure, hassle free and not "hackable". Our techno-addicted society is not an improvement. |
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Subject: RE: BS: You must set new password! *grin* From: JohnInKansas Date: 10 Oct 13 - 01:44 PM Recent advice is that a password should have both upper and lower case letters, at least one number, and some places may require at least one "symbol" (@#$%^&* etc). Anything with at least 8 total characters is considered "hard to crack," but not necessarily really secure. Sites that require a mix of numbers, upper and lower case, but limit you to 6 or fewer characters are considered "questionable." Where it's allowed, ten total characters are generally considered "reasonably safe" and some respectably secure sites will allow all numbers and/or all u.c. or l.c. letters if you use ten or more total chars. Recommendations do change regularly, depending on what's been hacked recently; but they seldom get simpler. For sites that include "questions" for secondary identification, it's recommended that you ALWAYS LIE. When they ask for your "favorite teacher's name" you give them something totally phony (But "Mrs Cratchet" is overused). "First school you attended" should NEVER be anyplace you actually have been to (Alaska Swine Breeding Institute?). Your "mother's maiden name" was ElbertinaMergabstruse or something similar (unless that was her name). They'll use whatever you tell them when you set up the "account" and it should be something that NOBODY might find mentioned anywhere in any way associated with you. John |
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Subject: RE: BS: You must set new password! *grin* From: Bill D Date: 10 Oct 13 - 02:15 PM But John... I can't remember phoney names and schools I never went to.. :>( My schools and teachers and pets are lost to anyone but ME. (I think my bank in the only place the days who asks...) Eliza...seriously... if you MUST have all those PWs, try that little program I posted..or scramble the words in your little book using ROT47 then enter the scrambled phrase and UNscramble it when you need it. (There is also...somewhere... a downloadable ROT47 program where you never have to enter anything online...I'll look it up.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: You must set new password! *grin* From: DMcG Date: 10 Oct 13 - 05:58 PM One I used for a while was H2hzzzhzhzhzna. Very memorable once you spot it, so I haven't used it for about 40 years ... |
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Subject: RE: BS: You must set new password! *grin* From: GUEST,Eliza Date: 10 Oct 13 - 06:09 PM Oh dear, Bill, you're very kind, but all that scrambling and unscrambling! I just can't get my poor old head round it all. And I'm so thick that your H2hzzzhzhzhzna password, DMcG, doesn't ring any bells. Give us a clue? |
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Subject: RE: BS: You must set new password! *grin* From: JohnInKansas Date: 10 Oct 13 - 07:15 PM Bill D can't remember a few passwords, but he CAN REMEMBER which one of the 4,347 "do one thing each" programs he has to use to do almost anything ??? (just kiddin' Bill.) John |
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Subject: RE: BS: You must set new password! *grin* From: HuwG Date: 10 Oct 13 - 09:03 PM The last job I had was supposed to be as a software developer, but I was roped into doing most of the Tech. Support work also. The most paradoxical control I ever met was the "Remember password" checkbox. Checking it usually meant that users promptly forgot it. One evening, I had to update some worker's PC (install some operating system patch) and logged in as "administrator" to do so. The next morning, I had barely got my coat off before the phone rang. The worker was on the other end in tears. "I can't log in! It says 'administrator' and the password doesn't work." Me: "Ah, sorry about that, I had to do some work on your machine last night. Just put your own username and password in." <pause>Worker: "What are my username and password?" Me: "Your username is <vapiddolly>. Only you know your password." Worker: "I've set the username, but the password still doesn't work." Me: "What password are you using?" Worker: "The one I've always used." Me: "And what is that? If you read it out to me, I can try it on the server, see if you have a sticky key or something." <pause> Worker: "I don't know. I think it wasn't anything. I never used to have to type one in." Me: "Ah! Because I logged in with a different username last night, the remembered password will have been overwritten. OK, I have temporarily reset your password to 'password', all lowercase, no spaces. The system will prompt you to set a new password when you log in." Worker: "Can't you set it for me?" Me: "Yes, what password would you like?" Worker: "The one I had before." Me: "Just a minute." <glug, glug, glug. I swallow half a scalding cup of coffee. No, the world still makes no sense> "I don't know your old password. You will have to enter a new one. Minimum eight characters, can be upper or lower case letters or figures, no spaces. Or, if you want to read out your new password to me, I can set it on the server." Worker: "But how will I remember my new password?" Me: "Check the 'remember password' box under where you normally put the password. Then the computer will remember it every time you put your username in." Worker: "But can't you give me back the old password?" Me: "I don't know it, and in any case I have already reset it to 'password'." Worker: "But the computer already knows the old one. Can't you, I don't know, open up the computer and look for it?" In theory, it might have been possible to extract and decrypt a remembered password, not by opening up the computer's case but by getting a hidden system file location from obscure registry settings and reverse engineering the encrpytion algorithm by typing in several hundred known passwords and comparing the encrypted versions. It was only slightly less complicated and time consuming to go to <vapiddolly's> desk and talk her through designing and entering a new password. |
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Subject: RE: BS: You must set new password! *grin* From: Pete Jennings Date: 11 Oct 13 - 07:38 AM Much the same here. Couldn't remember my password so requested a reset. Email came saying click on this link. Took me to a web page which said enter your new password here, but had nowhere to enter anything. "Software engineers" these days whouldn't have lasted 5 minutes in my day... |
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Subject: RE: BS: You must set new password! *grin* From: DMcG Date: 11 Oct 13 - 08:15 AM I used password of H2hzzzhzhzhzna DMcG, doesn't ring any bells. Give us a clue? Not really, but I'll start you off. From Superstar: Hey, zanna, ho zanna ... |
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Subject: RE: BS: You must set new password! *grin* From: GUEST,Eliza Date: 11 Oct 13 - 10:23 AM Ah! I see it now! Thank you, I'd have stayed awake all night trying to solve that one! Very good password, DMcG! At this rate, we'll all be candidates for Bletchley! |
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Subject: RE: BS: You must set new password! *grin* From: sciencegeek Date: 11 Oct 13 - 11:12 AM good one there... but my bank is demanding about format & I just got the 4 days left before my current password expires.... @%&!!!^* so far I can get away without using caps or symbols... but that still leaves the problem of remembering the damn thing! |
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Subject: RE: BS: You must set new password! *grin* From: Jeri Date: 11 Oct 13 - 11:33 AM My bank is obnoxious too, and wants me to put stuff in I KNOW I can't remember. Being as nobody uses this computer but me, and it requires a fingerprint to get in, AND my usual password is strange, I don't think I need to change it that often. I change it, then go in and change it back. I only have to remember it for a minute or so. |
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Subject: RE: BS: You must set new password! *grin* From: G-Force Date: 11 Oct 13 - 12:58 PM Where I used to work we had to change our windows passwords and system passwords every two months. So we just wrote them on the wall. |
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Subject: RE: BS: You must set new password! *grin* From: JohnInKansas Date: 11 Oct 13 - 07:56 PM The security thing is not really anything new. If you want to keep everyone else out of your stuff, you have to endure a little inconvenience to make sure you put your stuff away properly. Half a century ago, a "manager" in my group got a new file cabinet with a big combination dial on the front of the top drawer, but they didn't tell him the combination for using it. There were a couple of strips of duct tape on the dial to keep it from being turned when it was delivered. Fortunately it was unlocked when he asked for assistance, so I just pulled the back plate off the lock so I could see the wheels, and dialed what lined all the notches up and gave him the combination. UNFORTUNATELY these cabinets also had a "plug lock" that required a key. Nobody had a key to one of those (at that office) and his, as was the practice, had sufficient masking tape wrapped around the plug to prevent it being pushed in to lock everything. Of course on my way back to my cubbyhole I heard the ominous "clunk" indicating that the $!#@^ A paper clip bent to a proper hook made an easy job of "picking" that lock (fortunately the lock was clean inside) after which I replaced the tape. It wasn't necessary to say anything when I left to go back to my own desk. When I got there the "boss" was still standing there with his mouth open watching me and wondering what had happened. Now, an insecure password, no matter how complex, is like putting a bigger padlock on the tool shed. A bigger padlock is just easier to hit, and sometimes makes people think there's something more valuable inside. A 3 pound hammer will open any padlock if you can get get to them to hit them. A much smaller hammer will work on most, if you hit them a couple of times. It's an unfortunate fact that you have to know quite a bit about how someone might try to get to you in order to do much of anything on your own that might help to make it more difficult for them to do it. Listen to the experts, and follow the best advice you can find. John |
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Subject: RE: BS: You must set new password! *grin* From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 12 Oct 13 - 12:19 PM ""I know one shouldn't, but I have a little book in the study just for all the passwords needed for dozens of different sites."" I too use a book Eliza, which is an archive of all the songs I have converted to digital format from folk LPs I have collected over fifty years. I use the Initial letters of the most obscure song titles with words like "and", "the", "or", in lower case and the others in capitals. I add the running time of the particular recording at the end to strengthen the PW. The beauty of it is the fact that all anybody sees is a list of three figure numbers which identify the position of the specific song in the archive, meaning that anyone who doesn't know the connection has no chance of guessing. Nobody but my wife and me is privy to the location of the song archive. I can actually remember all of the passwords most of the time, but when I forget, it takes about two minutes to find one. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: You must set new password! *grin* From: Mrrzy Date: 12 Oct 13 - 04:53 PM Ah, the usefulness of Hungarian and being able to misspell it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: You must set new password! *grin* From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 12 Oct 13 - 11:09 PM brilliant, Mrzzy! |
