BS: Real Non-belief/not militant

Subject: RE: BS: Real Non-belief/not militant
From: Stringsinger
Date: 13 Feb 14 - 11:02 AM

"Socialists famous in this country, Mao, Stalin, Castro, Hugo Chavez and others, do not have the reputation for calm measured reason that Mr. Sanders enjoys."

I would submit that Mao and Stalin were not real socialists but more tyrannical.
Castro was a military man and somewhat of a dictator but he did a lot for his people
and his brand of socialism made Cuba a country with a workable modern healthcare system and a high literacy rate. US propaganda has painted a bad picture of Cuba purposely because they couldn't exploit it like they did other Hispanic countries.

What "others" are we talking about? Allende? The Sandinistas? Mossadegh? Be explicit please.

Also, morality is implied in the reverence for life in the above article. You don't
need religion to be moral and in fact religion often gets in the way of morality turning it
into hypocrisy.

Subject: RE: BS: Real Non-belief/not militant
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 13 Feb 14 - 11:14 AM

SS, because your unique verbal proclivities and prejudices have reduced you to labeling and article entitled this "20 Atheist Quotes About Joy and Meaning That Crush 'Angry, Empty' Stereotype " to "Real Non-belief/not militant", I think I must decline your request for further examples.

I was simply trying to say that I thought that it was obvious that Bill said "but" to counter the typical US perception of socialist figures. The famous ones tend to be larger than life, emotional bloviators when compared to Mr. Sanders.

Subject: RE: BS: Real Non-belief/not militant
From: frogprince
Date: 13 Feb 14 - 11:27 AM

Jack, can you not grasp that what "reduced" Stringsinger to labeling the thread as he did was simply the way in which the construct of "Militant Atheism" has been flogged until the dead horse is smeared over the landscape like hamburger?

Subject: RE: BS: Real Non-belief/not militant
From: Mrrzy
Date: 13 Feb 14 - 12:27 PM

I just want non-belief to be as acceptable to people of faith as being of a different faith is. Why is it that so many people can only accept disbelief in their own deity/ies as long as you profess belief in another's?

Subject: RE: BS: Real Non-belief/not militant
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 13 Feb 14 - 01:41 PM

That's not such a remote thing to expect, Mrrzy.

Here's a quote I found from an atheist journalist who interviewed Pope Francis recently.

The pope comes in and shakes my hand, and we sit down. The pope smiles and says: "Some of my colleagues who know you told me that you will try to convert me."

It's a joke, I tell him. My friends think it is you want to convert me.

He smiles again and replies: "Proselytism is solemn nonsense, it makes no sense. We need to get to know each other, listen to each other and improve our knowledge of the world around us."

Subject: RE: BS: Real Non-belief/not militant
From: akenaton
Date: 13 Feb 14 - 03:51 PM

Yes Yes ...I know, you have a socialist politician, and you have a blackish president, but is there an alternative voice in the MEDIA?

The most powerful political weapon ever invented and it is completely controlled by the "Corporate/"liberal" axis.

The media controls how we vote, how we think, and even what we think about. It demonises what it sees as a danger to the system that feeds it...it churns out millions of dumb, sound bite addicted, befuddled, human flotsam.    Ready made cannon fodder, with no views of their own and nothing to construct opinions with.
The purpose of the media is to manipulate humanity, it is Fascist in nature, demonising dissent, shutting down discussion, the god of the "silencers".
The media has become the enemy of freedom.

Our media in the UK is just as bad,

Subject: RE: BS: Real Non-belief/not militant
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 13 Feb 14 - 04:38 PM

Akenaton,

I have an alternative view.

The purpose of the "corporate media" in this country is to sell soap.

The purpose of the public media is to get donations.

The purpose of "state media" in Canada, Australia and Britain, at least is to attract enough eyeballs to justify their government subsidies.

People sit in front of their TVs and vote for the news they want with their remote controls. Do you think that someone who owns a gas station, or for that matter, drives a car, wants to hear about "carbon pollution" all day?

Do you think that an American, tired of war, wants to be reminded of what is happening in Syria?

A person who learned about Moses and Joshua in Sunday school, might change the channel when news of Gaza is presented as negative to Israel.

The media is telling us what we want to hear. End of story.


Except media is expanding to the point where smaller and smaller niches are tuning into the news they want to hear.

Here is a US media outlet that appears on many radio stations and some Cable/internet TV services in the USA. Amy Goodwin's politics, I think, are a lot like yours. Perhaps you would like to donate so that she can be seen more widely. If you don't, at least you can get your news from a point of view that does not recognize any of the differences between political parties in the G7.

http://www.democracynow.org/

Subject: RE: BS: Real Non-belief/not militant
From: Musket
Date: 14 Feb 14 - 07:20 AM

Blackish?

The mind boggles....

Subject: RE: BS: Real Non-belief/not militant
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 14 Feb 14 - 12:46 PM

But it's accurate enough isn't it?

Subject: RE: BS: Real Non-belief/not militant
From: GUEST,Troubadour
Date: 14 Feb 14 - 01:48 PM

"Sex is wonderful, unbridled promiscuity is dangerous and diminishing to everyone who takes part in it."

Sexual activity between consenting adults is THEIR business, not YOURS, and your obsessive interest in it says more about you than about them.

You were obviously born 50 years later than you should have been.

Subject: RE: BS: Real Non-belief/not militant
From: akenaton
Date: 14 Feb 14 - 02:20 PM

There are many more dangers associated with sexual promiscuity around today, than there were 50 years ago.

Also, we were not promiscuous, as we knew that girls could easily be made pregnant and if we made a girl pregnant, we were expected to be responsible for our actions.

Easy access to birth control in the sixties and seventies removed the danger of unwanted pregnancies, but also saw the start of large sexual infection rates, culminating in the epidemic we now see amongst male homosexuals.

Promiscuity is dangerous to society and all who participate in it.

Subject: RE: BS: Real Non-belief/not militant
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 14 Feb 14 - 05:13 PM

>>There are many more dangers associated with sexual promiscuity around today, than there were 50 years ago.<<

Yeah? Other than HIV infection, I can't think of one.

>>Also, we were not promiscuous, as we knew that girls could easily be made pregnant and if we made a girl pregnant, we were expected to be responsible for our actions.<<

I wasn't, I was five, but I was born when my parents were 19 and my whole childhood was miserable because they were promiscuous in 1958.

Ake, you seem to be pining for a past that never was. Its a common thing when we get older.

Subject: RE: BS: Real Non-belief/not militant
From: Greg F.
Date: 14 Feb 14 - 05:52 PM

You bet, Pharoah - blame it all on "The Sixties". A preponderance of idiots do.

Subject: RE: BS: Real Non-belief/not militant
From: akenaton
Date: 14 Feb 14 - 05:57 PM

Nah Jack ...it was real alright, we lived in a rural community, more like a tribe really.
Not much money, but a great "culture", everyone pitched in, we all depended on one another, so we couldn't find the time to bitch about who was better off.

The music was the best thing of all, singing, fiddling, piping, dancing, the weekly "concert" was attended by young and old.
Unforgettable.

When I was a very young boy, our house burned down....we lost everything, all our furniture, cloths, bedding and what little money we had.
Our neighbours, sent a horse and cart round the district and every family gave something to help us, although they themselves were very poor.....my folks never forgot that kindness and all their lives did all they could for the community......I try to carry that on as best I can.

Of course there were exceptions, and I'm sorry that you appeared to have had such an unhappy young life, but you seem to have overcome that ....perhaps your belief has helped you get through?

Subject: RE: BS: Real Non-belief/not militant
From: Stringsinger
Date: 14 Feb 14 - 06:08 PM

The militancy that is expressed here is mythical. The real militancy comes from a reactionary stance to any positive statements made by non-believers as if they are not qualified because they don't adhere to a "higher power". It's a form of autocracy that is common practice in most religious communities. This authoritarian view is being replaced by a more compassionate rational view of the world which still remains as a secular force in our country, the part of the First Amendment that says religion is not a requisite condition for public office.

Fortunately, many are turning away from traditional religions as the preaching opens up the floodgates for hypocrisy.

Subject: RE: BS: Real Non-belief/not militant
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 14 Feb 14 - 06:34 PM

"Yeah? Other than HIV infection, I can't think of one."

That's quite a significant other!

Subject: RE: BS: Real Non-belief/not militant
From: Janie
Date: 14 Feb 14 - 09:19 PM

How about the notion of peace, love, respect, for everyone? No exceptions.

Subject: RE: BS: Real Non-belief/not militant
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 14 Feb 14 - 09:45 PM

>>perhaps your belief has helped you get through? <<

I was an atheist and depressed to the brink of suicide. Then I put myself in God's hands.

That's a heartwarming story about your family. I can see why you would want the whole world to be like the place where you grew up. It never was. Our neighborhood now is quite nice. People look out for each other. The values you crave still exist everywhere, in pockets I think. I think they have little to do with government policies, or The church. I don't think you can get back to them through politics. Certainly being unkind to Gay people won't do it. It does say in the Bible that Gay men should be put to death. But it also says one should be put to death for touching the skin of a pig. That is what was said during the Ham v Nye debate. The Church of England is becoming more and more tolerant of gay marriage how about you?

Subject: RE: BS: Real Non-belief/not militant
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 15 Feb 14 - 03:29 AM

All this talk of HIV, an awful condition if you test positive yet even on this thread, total ignorance of sexual health risks. Chlamydia has the awful reputation of sounding like a Shakespearian character. Yet it, together with the majority cause for cervical cancer is the largest risk to the largest numbers.

Incidentally, both affect more women than men so don't tend to be put forward as God's retribution on perversion. After all, isn't there something about using a whore being preferable to having a hand crank?

Presumably the bible doesn't have the answers after all. If it advocated masturbation rather than condemning it, priests might just be in tune with good healthy advice. (It lowers risk of prostate cancer for that matter.)

Take Capt Pickard up to warp speed! You know it makes sense.

Subject: RE: BS: Real Non-belief/not militant
From: akenaton
Date: 15 Feb 14 - 12:24 PM

Janie, I don't love and respect everyone. My respect has to be earned and I have loved only a very few people in my life, but it was real love.

Sex is not the problem, promiscuity is a big problem for society.
The epidemic among male homosexuals is being covered up for political reasons.....this is shameful and extremely dangerous.

Subject: RE: BS: Real Non-belief/not militant
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 15 Feb 14 - 01:43 PM

'Love' is a word with a myriad interpretations. If one uses it in the widest possible sense, it signifies (IMO) goodwill towards all humankind, an attitude of kindliness and sympathy, understanding and a desire to help and promote the happiness of others. That's a tall order, but not confined to any particular religion, or to atheism either. With regard to the scathing attitude of religious people toward non-believers, that occurs also between religions. I've been on the receiving end of some quite nasty comments from fundamentalist Muslims because I haven't 'converted' to Islam to match my husband. I've also had one or two veiled hints that 'it would be nice if my hubby were to become a Christian' from a woman at my church. If only people would be content to believe or not and stay out of the faces of other folk. We manage beautifully within our very happy marriage to each mind our own business religiously!

Subject: RE: BS: Real Non-belief/not militant
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 15 Feb 14 - 02:18 PM

"The epidemic among male homosexuals is being covered up for political reasons.....this is shameful and extremely dangerous. "

Covered up? Yeah, OK.

They cover it up by making movies about it?

16 AIDS movies.

Subject: RE: BS: Real Non-belief/not militant
From: Musket
Date: 15 Feb 14 - 02:35 PM

And what's more, gays put a camera in his forehead so they can spy on him....

For political reasons.....

Eliza. When we were married, it was in a hotel and a guest, a relative of Mrs Musket, asked if we would have been happier marrying in a church, I quickly tried to defuse the situation by mentioning that I was not religious. "Oh dear" she said. "Where did your parents go wrong?"

I say quickly tried to defuse it because the cathedral where Mrs Musket had been a dutiful bell ringer for most of her life refused to let us marry there on account of me being divorced. Fine except a member of their cathedral council was in the same boat but he seemed to above such rules. I love tradition so a cathedral wedding would have been nice. My hypocrisy, being similar to 95% of anyone else married at a church was nothing to the breathtaking hypocrisy of the CofE.

Subject: RE: BS: Real Non-belief/not militant
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 15 Feb 14 - 02:43 PM

Good gracious Musket, that woman had a blasted cheek! It's like those horribly cruel questions about why one hasn't had any children. I'd have replied that HER parents had obviously 'gone wrong' in not teaching her any manners. These people are simply arrogant to the core.

Subject: RE: BS: Real Non-belief/not militant
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 15 Feb 14 - 05:03 PM

You can chose your friends but not your relatives.

Subject: RE: BS: Real Non-belief/not militant
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 15 Feb 14 - 06:50 PM

No point in lashing out in response to a remark you don't like. Even if you want to make the other person feel bad, you are more likely to achieve that by being nice.

Subject: RE: BS: Real Non-belief/not militant
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 15 Feb 14 - 06:53 PM

r u saying its crueler to be nice?

"Cruel to be Nice" is a great title for a song.

Subject: RE: BS: Real Non-belief/not militant
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 15 Feb 14 - 06:57 PM

No, but more likely to achieve a helpful outcome, and maybe even get a change in attitude, which you'll never get the other way.

Subject: RE: BS: Real Non-belief/not militant
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 16 Feb 14 - 02:37 AM

yet even on this thread, total ignorance of sexual health risks. Chlamydia has the awful reputation of sounding like a Shakespearian character. Yet it, together with the majority cause for cervical cancer is the largest risk to the largest numbers.

Are you suggesting that it is comparable to the risk of HIV?

Subject: RE: BS: Real Non-belief/not militant
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 16 Feb 14 - 03:27 AM

I'm saying what I am saying.

Anything else is an invitation for you to twist what people say. Your agenda is clear.

Subject: RE: BS: Real Non-belief/not militant
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 16 Feb 14 - 04:23 AM

If you are saying that, you are a very ignorant health professional.

Subject: RE: BS: Real Non-belief/not militant
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 16 Feb 14 - 04:46 AM

I'm not a health person. I'm certainly not ignorant.

Your silly yet with nasty intent comparison is used by those with bad agendas all the time and the "health people" as you call them swat the arguments like flies. If they didn't, we would have false flag assurances and concentrate funding in the wrong areas.

Your HIV vs chlamidia circular argument is normally portrayed when foolish people make stupid comparisons and I retort ; which is the biggest risk of death, sky diving or smoking? Trying to pick is similar to you asking people to pick between your choices above.

If you have unprotected sex with someone you meet on a nightclub on the same night, you have, according to HPA estimates, 20% chance of contracting chlamidia and 0.002% chance of exposure to HIV. The risk of exposure leading to positive status, including becoming a carrier is less again. The chances of chlamidia screwing up your life are much lower than HIV but the chances of your infection screwing up the lives of others is much higher.

I wish reality could be so black and white as your simple ignorant portrayal of it. Now piss off and give thanks , it being Sunday, for not having the intelligence to have to understand the troubles of the world. They say it is bliss, lucky twat.

Subject: RE: BS: Real Non-belief/not militant
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 16 Feb 14 - 04:55 AM

It was you who made the comparison in the post I quoted.
I just challenged you on it.

You have just said, The chances of chlamidia screwing up your life are much lower than HIV but the chances of your infection screwing up the lives of others is much higher.

"much higher" ?????
I challenge that too.
Ignorance or dishonesty?

Subject: RE: BS: Real Non-belief/not militant
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 16 Feb 14 - 05:27 AM

There used to be boy at school who, if any of us said " about half a dozen" he would say "actually it was seven."

He was temporarily cured by having his nose rubbed in dogshit till he learned some social manners.

Yes twat, much higher. You may not know you have it but the woman you fuck later stands a high chance of becoming infertile. I'd call that screwing up someone's life. What do you call it, God's punishment?

Piss off to church, they miss your pedantry in the ministry.

Subject: RE: BS: Real Non-belief/not militant
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 16 Feb 14 - 07:33 AM

Ridiculous.
There is no comparison.
Chlamydia, unlike HIV can be cured, quickly and easily.
Chlamydia, unlike HIV, may cause no complications even if untreated.
Chlamydia, unlike HIV, does not kill you. Worst case, rarely, if untreated, it may cause infertility, but never a lingering death, unlike HIV.

Subject: RE: BS: Real Non-belief/not militant
From: jacqui.c
Date: 16 Feb 14 - 07:54 AM

i would agree with JtS re the world fifty years ago. Unlike Akenaton, the world that I grew up in was not a kindly or helpful one. Maybe in small, close knit communities that may have been the case but on larger yowns people had a tendency to mind their own business and condemnation of others, for either not being 'nice' people or for being too full of themselves was very common. I was a lonely child from a disfunctional family but, at that time, there was no system to detect the fact that I was struggling, and certainly no 'community' worth the name. I got pregnant at 17 - married the father and, by the time I was 22 was divorced with two small children. My neighbours looked on me, for the most part, as a threat to their own marriages - as if I might lure their husbands away - or as a low life, because I was divorced. There was very little friendliness or support and I raised my kids pretty much on my own until I remarried ten years later.

I would mention that SADs were much more prevalent in Victorian times and earlier, syphilis and ghonnorhea being much more common then, before the advent of penicillin. I wonder how many people suffered the results of chlamidia, without being aware of the fact? Nowadays there are more tests to check for these diseases and so we are more aware of them. Methods of treatment have also improved. Human beings have always had the tendency toward promiscuity, otherwise the oldest profession would have been redundant. However, it seems that now that women can also indulge without the high risk of pregnancy, this is considered to be a real problem. There is still a lot of hypocrisy in this world - that is one of the things that turned me away from organised religion in the first place.

For myself, I try to live and to treat other people in a way that I would want to be treated. If any action would be upsetting to me then I try to avoid behaving in that way. I don't always succeed and there are certain people to whom I find it difficult to apply that tenet, but I do try and use that benchmark. I'm not looking for a reward in the hereafter - I don't believe in heaven or hell - but just the feeling that I might have done something to make someone else a little happier is sufficient.

Subject: RE: BS: Real Non-belief/not militant
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 16 Feb 14 - 11:50 AM

"Yes twat, "

tch tch tch....

Subject: RE: BS: Real Non-belief/not militant
From: Musket
Date: 16 Feb 14 - 11:54 AM

Keith. What has cure to do with prevalence? What has prevalence to do with diagnosis? What has a progressively harmful condition to do with a carrier status?

If you want to find out about such things, there are books you can read before trying to debate what you clearly don't understand, even if your far right websites tell you to question reality.

Just stop asking me, as I don't suffer fools gladly.



Jacqui. I see your point. You are right regarding pre antibiotic STDs. These are still an issue as although the cure may be easy if caught early enough, the trick is (as well as safe sex) to present early enough. At this time, far too many people see HIV as the only major issue, on account of the chronic condition it leads to. My anger at religious fools such as Keith and bigots such as Akenaton is their selective data trawls to support homophobia. They sicken me. I am no expert but many experts work alongside me in healthcare and their job is made harder by disinformation and scare mongering, usually in support of hate. Bad enough the newspapers doing it without people having to put up with it on websites such as this.

Subject: RE: BS: Real Non-belief/not militant
From: Stringsinger
Date: 16 Feb 14 - 11:57 AM

I can understand why people in the GLBT community are turning against religious intolerance shown by most institutionalized churches.

Promiscuity can be a form of rebellion and actually a kind of anger against women and men. The " world's oldest profession" is based on the premise of a kind of defeatist attitude that doesn't explore that it maintains violence against women, encouraging pimps, enslaving women, and child sex trafficking. Through prostitution, many venereal diseases are brought into society leaving victims that have nothing to do with their origin.

Many religious sects encourage an atmosphere of violence against women and children, causing women to become robotic sex toys for degenerate men. The cliche of the "minister's daughter" is founded in truth.

Today, sex trafficking is at an all time high. The Todd Akins and David Vitter's of the world
have lead the public to tolerate the intolerable by justifying rape and supporting prostitution.

Religious leaders have conditioned their flocks to become brainwashed and obedient "lambs", making them suseptible to tolerating or ignoring societal ills and dysfunctions.

When people learn to think for themselves, stop being spoon fed scriptures and looking to religious leaders who, by their placing faith in them, become emotionally immune to the dehumanization of sex, abuse of women and children by priests, ministers and deacons,
then can society cut through the ruse of religious propaganda , gross authoritarianism and reactionary dogma to uplift true, not religious, moral values.

Subject: RE: BS: Real Non-belief/not militant
From: Jeri
Date: 16 Feb 14 - 12:15 PM

For the record, chlamydia doesn't cause cervical cancer. It can lead to pelvic inflammatory disease and infertility if not treated (for years, usually). I believe that women are automatically tested for it when they get a pap smear.

Musket was probably thinking of HPV (Human Papilloma Virus), which causes genital warts and for which there's a vaccine.

Subject: RE: BS: Real Non-belief/not militant
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 16 Feb 14 - 01:42 PM

Musket.
This is what I am challenging.

on this thread, total ignorance of sexual health risks. Chlamydia has the awful reputation of sounding like a Shakespearian character. Yet it, together with the majority cause for cervical cancer is the largest risk to the largest numbers.

The chances of chlamidia screwing up your life are much lower than HIV but the chances of your infection screwing up the lives of others is much higher

Nothing about "cure," "prevalence," or "diagnosis."
Just "risk" and "screwing up lives."

Unless you start treatment before symptoms appear, HIV will kill you.
Chlamydia will not, and even untreated, most people suffer no complications at all.
The only person who has shown "total ignorance of sexual health risks" on this or any thread is YOU Musket.

Subject: RE: BS: Real Non-belief/not militant
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 16 Feb 14 - 07:45 PM

What a very unpleasant school you evidently went to, Musket. You give the impression you feel the bullies were justified.

Subject: RE: BS: Real Non-belief/not militant
From: akenaton
Date: 16 Feb 14 - 07:48 PM

That is precisely the point Keith.
I just wish some other members would allow themselves to consider the real effects of HIV, death or lifetime health care, confined in the main, to one tiny sexual minority.

If people would just forget their political allegiances for a moment and concentrate on the issue, they might come to understand that cutting infection rates in this demographic is a necessity and certainly not a demonstration of any kind of "hatred"
Ineffective procedures like those which have been used for the last ten years are useless, as shown by the ever increasing HIV and other STD infection rates amongst MSM.

It's simply not honest to hide the negative aspects of male to male sexuality under the smokescreen of "gay marriage", which will in reality, only affect a tiny minority of a tiny minority.

Subject: RE: BS: Real Non-belief/not militant
From: Musket
Date: 17 Feb 14 - 04:20 AM

Actually Jeri, I was stating cervical cancer in isolation. Sorry if it read as to do with Chlamydia. There is an uncomfortable but proven link between promiscuity and cervical cancer. Whilst it is not the single trigger, it is enough of a problem for CC to be classified as an STD where appropriate.

Keith is making a point. Though be buggered if I know what it is. Just because most people are carriers rather than suffering from a condition doesn't make it any better. It is because of attitudes like yours that so many women find themselves incapable of full term pregnancy. There is a huge issue with chlamydia and saying it isn't as bad as having your leg bitten off by a shark, cancer or HIV is a bit like me saying it isn't an issue if we stop funding mental health because we need the money for tit jobs.

You get better. I'm even cutting and pasting your more silly contributions into a presentation on patient participation versus ignorance of the issues. I have some from newspaper websites, and out of a dozen up to yet, you get two. Go on, give me a third eh?

Kevin. Any chance of wording your contributions so you actually accuse me of supporting bullying? It's what you think, so why not say it? Anyway, if it didn't make him a better person, it at least may have cleared his sinuses. Win, win.

Subject: RE: BS: Real Non-belief/not militant
From: Musket
Date: 17 Feb 14 - 04:30 AM

Hey worm!

Even in Scotland (whilst they can afford it for now) HIV and the gay community gets addressed. After all, more gay people come forward responsibly for screening than any other group identifier.

Next.

Every time you put gay marriage in parentheses and every time our sanctimonious twats such as the Jack and Keith show don't challenge you, I realise all the more that they are comfortable with your wicked despicable stance.

I'd love to discuss these issues but I prefer members of the human race, decent people. The worm I can handle, ignorant peasantry breeds stupidity. If it didn't, tabloids wouldn't sell copy. But Jack, Keith and a few others try to tell us they are intelligent.

Yet keep quiet whenever the worm calls marriage between some people a liberal smokescreen, or says that gay people are a political ploy, or calls them perverted, or calls for them to be forcefully tested for a condition that affects heterosexual people in the majority.

Interesting.....

Subject: RE: BS: Real Non-belief/not militant
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 17 Feb 14 - 04:52 AM

To say that chlamydia poses " the largest risk to the largest number" compared to HIV is ignorant or dishonest.

The vast majority suffer no symptoms or complications.
It is easily cured.
Even if you leave it untreated, seventy percent suffer no complications, the very worst of which is infertility, not death.

Subject: RE: BS: Real Non-belief/not militant
From: Musket
Date: 17 Feb 14 - 05:01 AM

Oh, that's alright then.

Infertility isn't a problem. Let's stop looking at it. After all. We can always spend the money on IVF. Fucking up young girls' lives isn't a problem. After all, they are asking for it, sleeping around eh?

Not bad Keith. But I already have a Daily Ma*l readers comment saying about the same thing. This person said we should stop funding any sexual health services as they ask for it and should wait till they are in a Christian marriage before using sex as a procreation necessity.

I'll use that one instead of hours, as it is funnier.

Subject: RE: BS: Real Non-belief/not militant
From: Musket
Date: 17 Feb 14 - 05:51 AM

Yours, not hours.



iPad for sale.

Subject: RE: BS: Real Non-belief/not militant
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Feb 14 - 06:40 AM

What you write there Musket does seem to indicate that you do see the bullying as understandable, and that the boy was asking for it, and it didn't do him any harm.

I doubt if you'd say the same of an assault on a young girl who went out in a short skirt. But many would, and I don't see an enormous difference between the attitude indicated.

Subject: RE: BS: Real Non-belief/not militant
From: GUEST,Seaham cemetry
Date: 17 Feb 14 - 06:58 AM

I was full of myself when I went in the RAF, as school didnt seem to knock it out of me. Its sometimes good to get it kncoked out early, makes you more acceptable later.

School kids are in three groups and one group. The three groups are bullies, those being bullied and those hoping they dont get bullied. The one group is all kids have an in built pack animal top dog complex. Even the lasses.