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BS: Gerry Adams arrest

Keith A of Hertford 03 May 14 - 07:29 AM
Keith A of Hertford 03 May 14 - 07:03 AM
Jim Carroll 03 May 14 - 06:57 AM
Big Al Whittle 03 May 14 - 06:20 AM
MGM·Lion 03 May 14 - 05:21 AM
GUEST,LK867 03 May 14 - 04:52 AM
selby 03 May 14 - 04:34 AM
Keith A of Hertford 03 May 14 - 04:29 AM
Musket 03 May 14 - 04:11 AM
Jim Carroll 03 May 14 - 03:59 AM
GUEST,Eliza 03 May 14 - 03:37 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Gerry Adams arrest
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 May 14 - 07:29 AM

It is firmly believed that this is a political ploy connected to the forthcoming elections.

Firmly believed by who Jim?
I thought it was Adams who voluntarily chose this moment to go to the police.
I thought a judge had agreed that further questioning was justified.


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Subject: RE: BS: Gerry Adams arrest
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 May 14 - 07:03 AM

Adams could have been arrested at any time if there had been a shred of real evidence against him - he wasn't - and to date there is no indication that any new evidence has come to light.

The is now no evidence except testimony.
We know why there has been none of that before.
How do you know what has come to light?
Perhaps Bell has opened up.
Perhaps the family have identified people and they have talked.
Perhaps others have come forward.


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Subject: RE: BS: Gerry Adams arrest
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 May 14 - 06:57 AM

"Murdering a woman is not the act of a soldier though. It is the act of a criminal."
Doesn't make any difference to the situation in hand Musket - especially as the torture and mutilation you mention came about directly as the Army's collaboration with the UVF
The shooting down of unarmed demonstrators was a criminal act and has been shown to heave been so.
Adams could have been arrested at any time if there had been a shred of real evidence against him - he wasn't - and to date there is no indication that any new evidence has come to light.
It is firmly believed that this is a political ploy connected to the forthcoming elections.
This morning's paper carries a report of the existence of a hard-line cabal within the Police Service of Northern Ireland with links to the DUP and a hard-line party named The Traditional Ulster Voice, who are opposed to the peace settlement and wish to influence the forthcoming local and European elections.
The Republicans are talking about a withdrawal of cooperation with the PSNI and we are not yet into the marching season up North.
Utterly stupid!
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Gerry Adams arrest
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 03 May 14 - 06:20 AM

the point is - by some miracle - we have brought up a generation of kids who haven't grown up with the terror as part of their everyday lives. whatever the rights and wrongs - don't lets jettison that considerable achievement.

it took guts and vision - not the least by people like Gerry Adams to get that far - what ever his previous sins. he did lead his people out of the quagmire that he had led them into.

I can remember all the relatives of the hunger strikers calling him every name under the sun for embracing the peace progress, albeit gingerly.


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Subject: RE: BS: Gerry Adams arrest
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 03 May 14 - 05:21 AM

Well, well; trust Jim to drag Israel into the argument somehow [03·23 AM]. Bit of a one-trick pony, eh?

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Subject: RE: BS: Gerry Adams arrest
From: GUEST,LK867
Date: 03 May 14 - 04:52 AM

Besides the Boston tapes, the late Dolours Price did an interview with a local person (amateur project) and it graphically details the events concerning the late Mrs.McConville. Her family are in receipt of this tape, I would imagine the police would be too. It is damming.

As I said, Sinn Fein have been taking a pounding on the doorsteps recently from republicans during canvassing for the forthcoming local government elections and the European elections.

Many republicans have issues with the party regarding policing and the lack of responsive action regarding the recent flag protests, something a high court judge recently criticized the police for.

Also for attending functions with members of the Royal family and Martin McGuinness referring to new wave republicans as Treacherous scum"

Sinn Fein have focused previous election campaigns on the S.D.L.P. vote with some success. S.D.L.P. voters tend to be middle class church going Catholics, the fact Sinn Fein have come out recently in support of same sex marriages and stated they are pro abortion could see a decline in that vote.

I still see the arrest of Adams as a stunt, this matter had to be addressed with him officially. As I said yesterday, he will be charged with membership and released, this token gesture could take the strain of party canvassers and elevate Adams standing among some republicans. Regarding actual convictions for murder, that is another matter.


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Subject: RE: BS: Gerry Adams arrest
From: selby
Date: 03 May 14 - 04:34 AM

Saddened to see that the media is reporting that Sinn Fein is warning of fresh violence and that the peace process is in danger. It appears to me that it is in the public interest that Gerry Adams to be questioned at length for ALL parties. As I have said before I do not understand how Northern Ireland as a country functions on hatred and mistrust. In fact who wants what now? is violence so deeply rooted in the country that the first reaction to anything is violence can no one move forward? That is a view that I perceive living in England can anyone tell me different?
Keith


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Subject: RE: BS: Gerry Adams arrest
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 May 14 - 04:29 AM

Jean McConvilles body was discovered 10 years ago

Irrelevant.
It was known she was dead, and forensic evidence (except of torture and mutilation) probably not found.

The tapes have only recently become available and another suspect was charged just weeks ago.

Conviction will require people to talk, in spite of being terrorised to keep quiet.


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Subject: RE: BS: Gerry Adams arrest
From: Musket
Date: 03 May 14 - 04:11 AM

Forgive and forget what some saw as military campaigns, yes. Probably, and when John Major and Tony Blair epitomised the sense of moving on, I could and still can see the point.

Murdering a woman is not the act of a soldier though. It is the act of a criminal. When you move on, you take civilisation with you, not leave it behind. If he has a case to answer then answer it. If he hasn't, move on and find those who have.

The political timing hasn't gone unnoticed, but if we let politics dictate the pace of the judiciary, we are stuffed anyway.


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Subject: RE: BS: Gerry Adams arrest
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 May 14 - 03:59 AM

"But by pursuing them in the courts, at least one is maintaining the Law of the land"
Not that simple Eliza
The "law of the land" was broken by all sides during the 'Troubles', not least by the British army who facilitated assassinations and slaughtered innocent people.
We know the perpetrators of The Bloody Sunday massacre now - are we going to have to wait for peace until they are brought to justice and their victims' families are given closure.
If that is the case, none of us will ever see peace in our lifetimes - nor will our children.
The South Africans had the right idea - it prevented an on-going bloodbath - more victims, more grieving families, more tit-for-tat violence.
"And we started all over again" as the song says.
This is, I believe, a political ploy to influence a forthcoming election.
The terrorists here in Ireland are no longer powerful - but they will be if this kicks off again.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Gerry Adams arrest
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 03 May 14 - 03:37 AM

Fossil: "We need to forgive and forget..." That's easily said, but not, presumably, by the family involved. Surely only they can decide to forgive, I doubt whether they can ever forget.
It seems to me that this attitude of trying to keep things steady and looking to the future, turning a blind eye to the atrocities committed, is rather placatory and not very edifying. Like giving a tiger a nice piece of meat in the hope that it won't bite you. These people (on both sides) who killed and maimed are evil criminals, and by 'forgetting' what they did we almost condone it. I feel that the Law must take its course. It's no good just hoping they'll be sensible and peaceable from now on. They probably won't. But by pursuing them in the courts, at least one is maintaining the Law of the land. No-one is above that, not even powerful terrorists.


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Subject: RE: BS: Gerry Adams arrest
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 May 14 - 03:23 AM

"times have moved on"
I too was living in London throughout the mainland campaign; I saw some of the damage and remember the tension caused at the time.
It surely is time things moved on and all this was brought to a conclusion.
It looked like it was likely to happen with the knees-up at Windsor and the positive noises being made on both sides.
I admit, I am not looking forward to the forthcoming 'Glorious Twelfth' displays of superiority - I hope they don't cause the problems that the 'flag' demos caused, but things really seemed to be taking a turn for the better here.
The suspicion is that the timing of Adams' arrest is not unconnected with the forthcoming European elections - a cynical political move rather than one to give the McConville family 'justice'
Jean McConvilles body was discovered 10 years ago - it seems a bit of a coincidence that it's taken this long and at this particular point in time to make an arrest.
I don't particularly look forward to demands for the perpetrators of the Bloody Sunday massacre, or all the other atrocities that are known about, but not yet acted on.
Let's at least get some sort of long-term peaceful future under way before any further steps are acted on - and when they are, let them be justice for all the families - or even better, let's move on.
I hope this doesn't have the same effect as the Israeli's behaviour has had on the Middle East peace negotiations
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Gerry Adams arrest
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 02 May 14 - 11:24 PM

An extradition demand should be placed by Saudi Arabia. They have a valid claim.



Sincerely,
Gargoyle

some nations lost their intestinal fortitude decades ago.


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Subject: RE: BS: Gerry Adams arrest
From: Fossil
Date: 02 May 14 - 06:08 PM

I was in London and just round the corner when an IRA bomb went off at the Old Bailey in 1973. And my office in Heron Quays was partly wrecked by the bomb at Docklands South Quay in 1996. So having seen what the effect of high explosives on innocent humans can do, I have an interest in ensuring that the cease-fire remains permanent. And so, I think, do most people.

I feel that there have been very few opinions expressed on this forum which have been helpful to the peace process and many that have tried as hard as they can to be inflammatory. Prod or Fenian, Irish or Brit, or even American Irish, you have an opinion, no doubt. But lay it aside for now, times have moved on. We need to forgive and forget and if you can't do that, you are no worse than the terrorists.


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Subject: RE: BS: Gerry Adams arrest
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 02 May 14 - 04:51 PM

You remind me of another motorcyclist who used to post here.
More mellow maybe.
Less dogmatic, more pragmatic.


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Subject: RE: BS: Gerry Adams arrest
From: GUEST,LK867
Date: 02 May 14 - 01:10 PM

It will only be a matter of time until Martin McGuinness the deputy First Minister will be questioned about the murder of Frank Hegarty.

McGuinness must know his popularity in his native Derry is at an all time low due to his recent UK visit. I would imagine some of this former friends will be more than willing to supply the necessary evidence required.


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Subject: RE: BS: Gerry Adams arrest
From: GUEST,LK867
Date: 02 May 14 - 12:46 PM

Gerry Adams will most likely be charged with IRA membership later this evening or tomorrow morning. An extension to detain him was granted this afternoon, he will be released on bail by tomorrow.


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Subject: RE: BS: Gerry Adams arrest
From: Musket
Date: 02 May 14 - 11:58 AM

A suspect in a murder case has been questioned.

I have no issue with the politics, none whatsoever with celebrity either. The high profile he has will be a factor, except to the family who want closure. The sensitivity around such a suspect is irrelevant to them. If he isn't part of the murder or conspiracy, I hope the police carry on looking.

The rule of law applies, and applies both sides of the border for that matter.

Yes, I see the propaganda opportunity, but if a woman is murdered, the police should try to find those responsible and protect society from them. If Gerry Adams has a case to answer to, then justice must follow its course. If they haven't a reason to detain him, then he will have the oxygen of publicity.

Simple.


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Subject: RE: BS: Gerry Adams arrest
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 02 May 14 - 11:35 AM

I had a lot of time for Bernard Manning. He played clubs that scared the shit out of most performers - particularly the 'comedy is the new rock n roll' contingent.

however - Jim you are so endearing when you tell me off! I really am sorry about being superior. I promise not to do so good.


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Subject: RE: BS: Gerry Adams arrest
From: GUEST,LK 867
Date: 02 May 14 - 05:41 AM

No one has the monopoly on suffering. I have heard men of God preach of the evils of the IRA, next day they were standing in a bowler hat and sash demanding their right to walk through an area in which they had no support and receiving medals for doing so while residents of that area were locked in their homes for up to three days due to the massive security operation (Garvaghey Road).

I myself have attended many wakes and funerals of people taken long before their time, none of them were victims of the IRA. Many within the community attended funerals of loved one who were victims of the IRA.

It is like table tennis over here, politicians and organizations promoting their own brand of injustice and recalling a selective history. Point scoring exercises help no one.

If we don't draw a line under the past we can never move on. Yes it means individuals and members of the security forces will never stand before a judge, set the bar at 1998 when the agreement was signed.

I simply don't have the answers, no one has, the blame game is different in both communities.

I was told this morning (I am serious) that Gerry Adams told his solicitor he is giving consideration to shaving his beard off, there are many like myself who would be more than willing to assist in that !


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Subject: RE: BS: Gerry Adams arrest
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 May 14 - 02:56 AM

"bodhran bangers, fruity tenors, riverdance, the lot....."
And thereby hangs the centuries old problem Al - the British sense of superiority - bring back Bernard Manning, I say!
"Oral History"
Yes - it is relevant to this - quite apart from giving a voice to those who no-one bothers to ask.
Much of the work done by the 'Truth and Reconciliation Commission' in South Africa centered around allowing 'ordinary people' (if there are such beings) to have their say and voice their grievances under Apartheid.
'Oral testimony' helped prevent a vengeful bloodletting.
The McConville murder was a horrendous crime, as was the 'Trick-or-Treat massacre in Greysteel, (8 killed, 13 injured) or the Dublin and Monaghan bombings (33 killed and 300 injured), or the Shankill Road bomb.... and so ad infinitum.
The crocodile tears shed for the McConvilles, from the usual suspects - who would like things to stay the same so that the "nice days out" on the 'Glorious Twelfth' can continue, are little more than cries for revenge.
This has to stop somewhere and now seems as good an opportunity as any to take advantage of the work that has been done so far.
It is humbling to remember that the father of one of the victims of the Omagh bombing, Gordon Wilson, dedicated the rest of his life to campaigning for peace, and not seeking revenge for his beautiful daughter.
Would that some of his spirit (Christian - I'm led to understand) managed to touch some of our resident blood-letters.   
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Gerry Adams arrest
From: Rapparee
Date: 01 May 14 - 09:32 PM

I said, "if there is hard evidence." An oral history project is NOT hard evidence.

"I remember Big Mick killing women in Whitechapel in the '80s."
"Ed T. was Margaret Thatcher's secret lover."
"Big Al smuggled cocaine into Helsinki back in the '70s."

Oral history, and like an oral contract not worth the paper it's written on.

Remember I said "hard evidence." Not the recorded words of someone, but evidence that could stand up in court. Even circumstantial evidence can convict:

I see you go into a windowless room with someone. The door is shut and locked. There is a gunshot. Breaking open the door I see you standing over a dead, bleeding body. You are holding a pistol that has just been fired -- there's a faint curl of smoke coming from the barrel.

All the evidence is based upon circumstances, but the totality of the evidence says you shot and killed the other person.

Now supposed I saw the shooting in a mirror when I was standing on the front step (the doors to the room being open). I'm an eyewitness.

But the HARD evidence would be your fingerprints on the gun, ballistics linking the bullet to the gun you are holding, fresh nitrate deposits on your hands, etc.

I am making NO judgement as to where Adams is guilty or not, much less if he is innocent.


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Subject: RE: BS: Gerry Adams arrest
From: GUEST,LK 867
Date: 01 May 14 - 06:54 PM

The individuals involved in the actual abduction of Mrs.McConville and her murder are not currently sitting in government, just one who is now seated within the government of a different jurisdiction.

As for those currently holding governmental positions in the North of Ireland, they are tokens,clean skins as we call them. The real pull within Sinn Fein takes place in the back rooms of Stormont, they can't roll these guys out to the front benches, they carry luggage containing way too many historical rattling skeletons, Unionists would never sit in the same room as them and the press would have a field day.

Two senior members of Sinn Fein based at Stormont have within the past few weeks taken a case of unfair dismissal against the party, I do hope it reaches the courts, the water from that laundry wash will expose a few party members for who they really are.

I have no doubt a sizable out of court financial settlement will be offered with a "keep it shut" clause.I could write a book on them.

Great site by the way.


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Subject: RE: BS: Gerry Adams arrest
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 01 May 14 - 05:47 PM

Many people know who was responsible for the slaughter of innocents in Omagh.
The killers still walk free because no-one dare speak out.
They and/or their loved ones would be killed.

The McConville children know who they saw drag away their mother to be tortured and killed.
One son today said they know, but they dared not speak because they and/or their own children would be put to death.

Those cowardly, vicious murderers are now ruling in NI.


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Subject: RE: BS: Gerry Adams arrest
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 01 May 14 - 05:34 PM

well lets hope you're right, and that's all the significance this has.


oooooh...playing with fire though!


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Subject: RE: BS: Gerry Adams arrest
From: GUEST,LK 867
Date: 01 May 14 - 05:16 PM

Firstly Gerry Adams WAS the Commander in Chief of the army.

He worked his way through Seamus Twoney,Joe Cahal and Joe O'Hagan to gain control of the army.

There were two types of people went into the cages of Long Kesh, political activists and army volunteers. Adams always wanted control of both, he was always a political activist primarily. Ivor Bell once said "Never let the tail wag the dog" he was right.

Regarding the McConville murder, that was wrong, yes there were issues concerning her lifestyle and social life, but I repeat, it was wrong to execute her.

Adams was involved in the decisions concerning this case. Brendan Hughes went to his grave saying it, I knew Brendan and believe him. Ivor Bell also stated it, Ivor has his faults, believe me, but he was in a position to know.

Adams presented himself to the station, it was nothing more than a PR stunt to improve BRITISH Sinn Fein's standing among republican communities with the elections coming up in a few weeks time. British Sinn Fein activists are getting pounded on the doorsteps, this is a stunt to make Adams one of the boys again.


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Subject: RE: BS: Gerry Adams arrest
From: selby
Date: 01 May 14 - 04:34 PM

Gerry Adams is a shrewd political animal, whether he did or didn't have anything to do with the murder, I am sure he knows to move the peace process forward he needs (as he did) to cooperate with the police.Unfortunately people soon want to castigate both sides the majority throwing bricks are like me have no idea of what went on during the troubles. Both sides should be praised for using due process of LAW to try and bring closure to this sad episode
Keith


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Subject: RE: BS: Gerry Adams arrest
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 01 May 14 - 02:51 PM

olly old pal, most of us would breathe a sigh of relief if Ireland north and south drifted off into the atlantic. bodhran bangers, fruity tenors, riverdance, the lot.....


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Subject: RE: BS: Gerry Adams arrest
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 01 May 14 - 02:44 PM

well all I can say is that we've been debating the actions of our forces and security forces, Mick. its a democracy - they can't stop us.

after all its our young men who were being murdered by both sides. the so called loyalists rubbed out a fair number of English soldiers. it was never a white hats versus the black hats sort of business. both sides were bloody scary.

I remember the Irish Times was quite amusing about GA's memoirs -noting the many circumlocutions and omissions. there's nasty stuff in all our memoirs, I guess.


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Subject: RE: BS: Gerry Adams arrest
From: MartinRyan
Date: 01 May 14 - 02:41 PM

Please don't get carried away - Gerry Adams offered to cooperate with the police in this matter.

Regards


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Subject: RE: BS: Gerry Adams arrest
From: GUEST,ollaimh
Date: 01 May 14 - 02:30 PM

it is not northern Ireland that has the violent and cruel ways, its England and the british empire and it's last gasp at conquering Ireland. the English have been bringing violence and war to Ireland for over nine hundred years.

I await the killers from bloody sunday to be charged.

this is selective prosecution against those who resist british military capitalism. while allowing the racist killing by the british army in northern ireland


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Subject: RE: BS: Gerry Adams arrest
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 May 14 - 02:25 PM

"I have long thought there was something very nasty about Adams"
Whatever your thoughts Richard, it really isn't the best time to behave like this
What would 'Her Maj (Gawd bless 'er) and the Dook' say after all their efforts to bring some sort of stability to these islands - never mind law suits - I'm sure you wouldn't like to be walking around with a polo stick up your jaxie.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Gerry Adams arrest
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 01 May 14 - 02:16 PM

I have long thought there was something very nasty about Adams. The law of libel being what it is I'm not going to be specific.


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Subject: RE: BS: Gerry Adams arrest
From: GUEST
Date: 01 May 14 - 02:00 PM

The Forum for Peace and Reconcilliation ran for over a decade until the powers that be thought it had run its course.


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Subject: RE: BS: Gerry Adams arrest
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 May 14 - 01:55 PM

"They are looking for justice."
And the rest of us are looking for permanent peace, and we are a hairsbreadth from it.
The timing of this is not unconnected with the forthcoming European Elections.
I remember being outraged at the setting up of the Peace and Reconciliation Commission in South Africa, and the the thought of ll those bastards getting away with decades of crimes under Apartheid - looks like we could do with one here
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Gerry Adams arrest
From: GUEST
Date: 01 May 14 - 01:40 PM

Not that I keep close tabs on this sort of thing, I seem to remember the arrest of Mark Haddock in recent weeks. He was described in the press as 'a prominent loyalist'. He was charged with the murder of a number of catholic men.

Things are not as one sided as some will have you believe.

Who's stirring shit? Well, the family of Jean McConville for one, eight people who lost their mother as a child. They are looking for justice.


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Subject: RE: BS: Gerry Adams arrest
From: Big Mick
Date: 01 May 14 - 01:27 PM

Sorry, Al, but I disagree. The British activities in the North are not, IMO, open to debate. Their culpability in abetting Loyalist para's is no more open for debate than is the culpability of the US in our supposed "war on terror". The record is clear. And it is legitimate, if they are attempting to go after Adams to ask why they have not spent the same kind of vigor on the Loyalists. If we are ever to see an end to the bollocks in the North of Ireland, it's people must perceive justice to be even handed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Gerry Adams arrest
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 01 May 14 - 12:44 PM

let us suppose that there is legitimate reason to investigate Adams, although I don't believe there is

If there is no such evidence, and from the news I've read there seems not to be

So, Big Mick and Rapparee, from over 4,000 miles away, with no idea whatsoever as to what the PSNI may or may not know, you consider yourselves to be qualified to stand in judgement.

That's nice...

You may be right, but you also may be wrong. I live a great deal closer to these events than you, and try to keep an open mind on this issue.

I suggest that you well might do the same. But I don't suppose that you will...


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Subject: RE: BS: Gerry Adams arrest
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 01 May 14 - 12:33 PM

yeh well that reaction from Irish Central is just exactly the sort of inflammatory bollocks that's so scary. and presumably that's just the start.

of course there will be evidence of all kinds of shit. adams's guilt is at best - a legal nicety. and you could dig around for loyalist atrocities, and presumably find it. god knows the motives and methods of both sides were openly and unapologetically attested to at the time.

the question is - who is stirring the shit, at this precise moment in time, and what is their motivation.


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Subject: RE: BS: Gerry Adams arrest
From: Rapparee
Date: 01 May 14 - 10:08 AM

If there is evidence, hard evidence and not just the words from an oral history project, it should acted upon. If there was I'd assume that it would have surfaced before now.

If there is no such evidence, and from the news I've read there seems not to be, there is no reason to hold Adams.

In an oral history project anything can be said. I'm going to admit to killing Lincoln and have a "fling" with Queen Victoria before she married dull ol' Albert; that's why she let me sneak into Windsor Palace at night: I actually fathered all of her children. And I ordered the St. Valentine's Day rub-out in Chicago.

Facts do not (usually) concern an oral history project.


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Subject: RE: BS: Gerry Adams arrest
From: Big Mick
Date: 01 May 14 - 09:37 AM

OK, let us suppose that there is legitimate reason to investigate Adams, although I don't believe there is. What do we do with these situations I have taken from an article in Irish Central?

It seems the only alleged crimes being heavily pursued are those on the nationalist side, with little or no attention to atrocities on the other side.

Thanks to the ill-conceived Boston College oral history project the spooks now have another ream of tapes full of allegations from long ago that cannot possibly be proven, mostly from people who are now dead.

Take a bow BC, Ed Moloney and Anthony McIntyre – you have done a wonderful job on behalf of British spookdom allowing them to whip up a whole new round of empty charges.

Meanwhile, nothing on the nationalist side. The Pat Finucane murder? No action.

The Loughinisland Massacre during the 1994 World Cup game between Ireland and Italy? No action.

The Dublin/Monaghan bombings of 1974 that left 33 dead? No handover of papers from the British government as promised. Oops.

The top human rights attorney was killed, as were six innocent men, including an 87-year-old watching a football match, as were 33 innocent civilians in Dublin and Monaghan yet there has been no resolution whatever.

Talk about one law for the Brits.

ESPN2 aired an excellent program on the Loughinisland case this week called "Ceasefire Massacre."

The documentary showed that the killings reek of high level British security involvement. Even former UVF figure Billy Hutchinson conceded on the program there was something very fishy.

But good luck if you are seeking a follow-up. So many of the killings during the dirty war were carried out by gunmen acting on the orders of high level secret British forces who covered their tracks well.

Read more: http://www.irishcentral.com/opinion/niallodowd/Why-Gerry-Adams-arrest-is-a-complete-farce.html#ixzz30TF66GFu
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Subject: RE: BS: Gerry Adams arrest
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 01 May 14 - 09:37 AM

What 'prosecution' is this?

He's not even been charged yet, he's just being questioned.

Besides, it's not the police's role to make political decisions. If there is evidence that someone may have committed a criminal offence, it is their duty to investigate.

The Public Prosecution Service decides if a prosecution should be made.

#, not as far as I am aware.


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Subject: RE: BS: Gerry Adams arrest
From: GUEST,#
Date: 01 May 14 - 09:16 AM

Is there a statute of limitations on murder?


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Subject: BS: Gerry Adams arrest
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 01 May 14 - 08:36 AM

I find this a very scary development. I thought we were trying to draw a line under the years 1968=-2010.

Gerry Adams was in many ways an embodiment of NI's ability to change its violent cruel ways.

Whilst the crime was unspeakable. I cannot see this prosecution as being constructive in this most delicate of situations.


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