BS: Anyone defend US gun law?

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 25 Aug 14 - 02:45 PM

if you stick to air rifles, you can shoot in your own back garden. i do. no need for a rifle club. and you'd be up shit street robbing a bank with one. or attempting to massacre people.

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law?
From: olddude
Date: 25 Aug 14 - 02:42 PM

Want an example.
Look up carlos havcock who was an old country boy. You can see how one man could damage the enemy by skill. His rife was a deer gun

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law?
From: olddude
Date: 25 Aug 14 - 02:37 PM

Everyone likes to say how outdated the 2nd admendment is about maintaining a civilian military. Every wonder why american soldier's are so skilled. Yes their training. But most are already skilled marksmen long before joining. The document still applies. The us army sent investigators into Iraq because so many bad guys were shot in the head
They feared execution but the end result was they could shoot and damn well. A needed skill in war

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law?
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 25 Aug 14 - 02:37 PM

Ebbie: I've been Googling statistics about causes of death, injuries, and hospitalization in Alaska and you live in a wild and dangerous place!;-)

In broad terms, you are several hundred more times likely to be killed at work there than in say, DC or NYC, and the "Intentional Death Rate" is really shocking. However, the homicide rate is actually the same as that for that gun-law laden "Bleeding Heart Liberal" state New York(4.4 per 100k of population)(and I say "Bleeding Heart Liberal" in quotes because I am one). The numbers are shockingly high because of the high rate of suicides, and many to most of those are gun deaths.

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law?
From: olddude
Date: 25 Aug 14 - 02:27 PM

Musket.. Come over I will change your mind we can go to the range and ppoke holes in targets. And no kidding my sheriff buddy has a brown bess and you can shoot that.. It is fun.. The swat team lets me rip off clips of fully automatic weapons on the range. I can have them let you try. Guns are no different from anything else can be used or abused

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law?
From: Musket
Date: 25 Aug 14 - 02:09 PM

No, don't repeal the second amendment. Just read the fucker in the first place.

It's the language of the day for the government to expect people to defend it, or be drafted in modern language.

We have a "healthy" firearms industry here, but in the same way we produce plutonium but don't sell it on street markets, we don't sell guns to the public either.

No, sorry Lighter. On this, as with capital punishment and food, nothing to stop us looking down on you and smiling condescendingly.

Keep banging the rocks together eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law?
From: Lighter
Date: 25 Aug 14 - 01:55 PM

I'll be sorry for getting mixed up in this, but here goes....

Which preacher of light from the land of Shakespeare will tell us wayward former Colonials exactly what practical steps we should take to eliminate gun violence in the USA?

Don't buy guns? There are so many out there that many of us feel the need for self-defense. Just in case.

Repeal the Second Amendment? As I've said elsewhere, this will not happen in our lifetime - or our children's - or ever. And if it did, how would local, state, and/or federal governments collect the now outlawed weapons without shooting it out with many of the tens of millions of owners? The situation would be a dream come true for every heavily armed, radical-right and anarchist hate group in the country. And then what?

Outlaw the civilian firearms industry? See above.

Look at it another way. With 300,000,000 Americans and allegedly a similar number of firearms in private (including criminal) hands, why is the annual gun-death rate so incredibly *low*? Even if it is sky-high compared to, say, our Canadian friends, it is still low. The average American is extraordinarily unlikely ever to be shot at by anybody.

The last time I checked, life expectancies in the US and UK were within about a year of each other. Does anyone believe that the UK has the edge because there's a constant hail of bullets over here?

I've never known anyone who had a gun pulled on him under any circumstances (and believe me, they would talk about it!), and I know, through the news only, of just one person who was shot within a mile of me - and that was in a big American city. (It happened in 1970.)

Even in the most violent inner cities, the lead is not constantly flying. Other kinds of crimes and general misery are the main problems, as they are in every slum everywhere.

Americans are hardly the kill-crazy nuts some like to think we are. So let's be a little less pitying, patronizing, snide, and self-righteous in our criticisms. OK?

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 25 Aug 14 - 01:43 PM

What drives us nuts over here (I'm sure I'm safe speaking for others) is the constant, vociferous defence of the indefensible that gets thrown out by US-ians every time there's a gun-related 'incident' over there (and there are lots).

We know, from our own experience, it's perfectly feasible to live safe and happy lives, free of fear and paranoia, without firearms - we all do it all the time. Yet every time there's an incident in the US out come the all-teeth-and-trousers meat-heads with their brains in their balls, rattling on about 'the bad guys' and 'mad-dog killers', talking like John Wayne, and telling us we don't know what we're talking about.

Compare the numbers of gun-deaths in our respective countries - it's QED.

We know that it's not simple, that there's a huge cultural implant to be overcome in the minds of many Americans. But hand-wringing and moaning that it's impossible isn't what the world expects from the US - you used to be the 'Can Do' nation, what's gone wrong with you?

There are a lot of people outside the US (I'm one) who love your country and its people. But it's becoming increasingly difficult to love and respect a nation of people who think it's their right, and perfectly OK, for every citizen to possess firearms, the only purpose of which is to provide the means to kill fellow citizens.

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law?
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Aug 14 - 01:40 PM

"2nd amendment fundamentalists have a sick & warped idea of Fair Game, collateral damage and murder in pursuit of their guaranteed freedom hobby. "

- Or they simply choose not to think about the actual families and victims who pay the ultimate price for the gun hobbies and lobbies so dear to their 2nd amendment heart.

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law?
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Aug 14 - 01:30 PM

btw: We actively sought and found "cures" for many potentially fatal childhood Cancers.

Seeking and finding cures for potentially fatal childhood bullet wounds is something a rational person would not defend against.

2nd amendment fundamentalists have a sick & warped idea of Fair Game, collateral damage and murder in pursuit of their guaranteed freedom hobby.

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law?
From: Bill D
Date: 25 Aug 14 - 01:28 PM

Much of the NRA position of defending the status quo is based on the fallacious "slippery slope" argument, exemplified in the "If gun are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns" slogan.

The trouble is, they have made that slogan into a self-fulfilling hypothesis. They have promoted gun a scared so many people and allowed almost anyone to buy guns, that if all law abiding citizens gave up their guns, there WOULD be 100,000,000 illegal ones still out there.

Thus, we have a practical matter of how to manage an already awkward situation that the NRA has perpetuated for business reasons. Think about it.... the weapons industry has the problem of how to make money tomorrow! If everyone is convinced they have all the weapons they need, what will you sell them?

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law?
From: Musket
Date: 25 Aug 14 - 01:22 PM

Do behave Al. You give them decent tea and instead of brewing it with boiling water, they drop it in the harbour.

How can you expect them to behave with guns?






(If I stop posting, remember me over a pint...   I have just finished sound checking in a marquee and its pissing it down. I have had to isolate the earth for the active speakers and my guitar DI because of a hum. When I get on stage later, it'll be far more scary than guns, trust me....)

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 25 Aug 14 - 01:08 PM

this right to bear arms - how far does it extend? Are you allowed to have bombs, nuclear devices, poison gas....?

It reminds me of Dirty Harry. What DOES have happen before you take this situation seriously?

I know all countries have inherent problems. We have a class system that lies at the root of all our problems. Everything from the economy, the law, the education system is there to bolster and preserve the fortunes of a fortunate and very short sighted few. nothing short of a guillotine seems to be the answer.

Still its a quiet sort of thing. With your set of problems, you'd think the sound of guns going off would be a sort of wake up call!

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law?
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Aug 14 - 01:06 PM

Facts Worth Defending:


Guns are fun
from the startling adrenaline high
when they bang
to the magical distance they can
make a hole.

Guns are fun
when their power can give you
the power of
life or death or crippling injury
at your touch.

Guns are fun
to target practice or compete
with great skill
or supply your family with food.

More kids die
from their bullet wounds
than Cancer
In the good old USA.

That's a fact Jack.

dh

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law?
From: Musket
Date: 25 Aug 14 - 01:01 PM

You'd have to be in fine fettle to play with me. I'd make your eyes water....





By the way, despite everything, Bridge was being provocative starting this thread and I am as guilty as the rest in perpetuating it.

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law?
From: olddude
Date: 25 Aug 14 - 12:56 PM

Which reminds me I really do need to practice with a musket. They used them on top shot one challenge. Black power rifle and smooth bore brown bess
Haven't tried one in awhile

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law?
From: Musket
Date: 25 Aug 14 - 12:46 PM

I do a lot of UK bashing in some ways. Credit where it is due I suppose.

It isn't the situation wherever, it's defending the indefensible wherever it happens to be. Thats what I am seeing here. Getting touchy about your laws is one thing, putting nationalistic pride before morality is quite another.

Gibb Sahib speaks as if nobody other than Americans know America. Putting aside the cringing "hood" reference, which was at least funny, the international business machine has sold The USA to the point where its values are exported.

Perhaps thats why it comes under such scrutiny.




Personally, I like the bit about making kids put their right hand on their breast and chant some absurd notion about "land of the free." Up till fairly recently, I lived both sides of the ubiquitous pond on and off, and to be honest, I decided my kids stood a better chance being raised over here for just about every reason.

But don't let that stop big business interest keeping your kids unsafe and your unhinged weirdos armed to the teeth.

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law?
From: olddude
Date: 25 Aug 14 - 12:41 PM

And if Richard just wants shit slinging threads. Then sling away. I am your Huckleberry

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law?
From: olddude
Date: 25 Aug 14 - 12:38 PM

You are correct bill.. So many times I explained the gun laws and how many we already have only to give easy access to criminals via gun show. Each new ineffective law that us law abiding citizens follow. I can hear the criminals say.. Hell yes pass more of them. You see they want to be the only ones.
Me I am going to the range today. I promised spaw I would try out for top shot his favorite tv show. Rap should also. We use to talk for hours about that show. I don't think they can beat me witha hhandgun but I will get spanked with the automatics and rifles. Need practice.

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law?
From: Bill D
Date: 25 Aug 14 - 12:27 PM

Well... Gibb did protest a bit....ummm... intensely, but boiled down, he simply made some of the points I have made in the past about America bashing- especially when threads are started with the sole purpose of pointing a finger at some aspect of the US that we (most of us) already are quite aware of.

We KNOW guns are a problem here. We KNOW there are embedded cultural, legal, constitutional and practical barriers to sensible changes which would benefit us all. We also know that sarcastic, superior and basically useless explication of our flaws, with no attempt at friendly, helpful suggestions, are not going to cheer us up or inspire us.

The problems ARE deeply embedded in a Catch-22 situation of interpretations of the 2nd Amendment coupled with the complex requirements to change that amendment and the full force of hundreds of millions of $$$$$ groups like the NRA are willing to spend to lie, distort, and frankly, BUY a continuation of the status quo!

I... and many others.. do everything we can to effect rational changes. But all those forces are entrenched in interlocked ways to defy rationality, we get weary..... and then someone else starts a Mudcat thread pointing to something we not only know, but have just been writing our congressman about or voting to get rid of him for supporting the idiocy of most gun laws.

I am reminded of an old sign I saw:

"If things don't improve soon, I may have to ask you to stop helping me!"

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law?
From: olddude
Date: 25 Aug 14 - 12:15 PM

Hey punkrocker come over I will take you to the range. I can let you try a fully automatic. 30 cal

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law?
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 25 Aug 14 - 11:58 AM

I wish you were my uncle olddude...

I'm a bit of an anomaly - a rather militant left wing Brit,
who openly admits he'd love to experience firing off all the weapons he sees in movies and on the Discovery channel.

But obviously under safe controlled conditions of course.


Aparently a recent US movie production crew 'shooting' in England
were surprised to discover they were not allowed to film with the guns they wanted to use on screen
because they were banned outright here in the UK.

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law?
From: olddude
Date: 25 Aug 14 - 11:55 AM

I don't own a musket but I do own a. 338 lapua

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law?
From: olddude
Date: 25 Aug 14 - 11:50 AM

Shot lots of them however. 9mm

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law?
From: olddude
Date: 25 Aug 14 - 11:49 AM

Yeah I do have fun sometimes pressing buttons breaks the work monotony Lol. Sometimes I play along. What I want now is an uzi.. Don't own one of those

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law?
From: pdq
Date: 25 Aug 14 - 11:41 AM

In big round numbers, approximately...


800 gun deaths per year are accidental

11,000 gun deaths per year are homocide

300 are judged "justifiable"

200 are "undertermined"

20,000 are SUICIDE

Some areas like Alaska are almost all accidental or suicide.

Washington DC, almsost all murder.

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law?
From: Stu
Date: 25 Aug 14 - 08:14 AM

"The Shire is not The Hood, and we don't have many Hobbits here."

"The Hood". That is simply hilarious.

"Is that it? You people are just so concerned about the lost lives"

Wow, so much hate in this nastily little sentence. Sneer away, you insular, isolationist child.

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 25 Aug 14 - 08:09 AM

What brains? I was astounded at that ranting load of codswallop from the generally quite rational Gibb. What can have rocked his boat, then, I wonder, to make him throw all his toys out of the pram like that?

Sounds to me a bit like a bit of post hoc rationalisation of what he knows in his ❤ to be an untenable position.

And he'd better understand that, whatever delusions he might harbour, the rest of the world hasn't got this irresistible urge to be as much as possible in every way like the Good Ole US·of·A. Guns represent one of those ways that we thank our ✵✵✵ on a daily basis for being different!

≈M≈

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 25 Aug 14 - 07:32 AM

all very well Gibb - but it could be your kids getting mowed down on school. your life partner getting picked off from the clock tower.

that British people feel compassion for the neatest and dearest of the numerous people killed by your dopey gun laws doesn't make them hopeless tree hugging idealists.

it really has to bite you on the arse to get through to your brains.

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 25 Aug 14 - 06:20 AM

Looks like you nailed 'em Musket!

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law?
From: Gibb Sahib
Date: 25 Aug 14 - 06:10 AM

We agonise over gun crime here, yet the figures for The UK as a whole don't even reach that of a single LA neighborhood.

There are a lot of things where the The UK as a whole doesn't even reach the amount in a single LA neighborhood...

Which should tell you that comparing the UK and the USA has very little value. Or at least make you wonder why it is not two other different nations that are being compared so much in this forum. Or why the comparison usually comes from the UK side.

The UK and the USA are completely different countries. I don't know what makes people in the UK think people in US give a damn about what they do in The Shire. The Shire is not The Hood, and we don't have many Hobbits here. I live in Los Angeles County. "Across the Pond" is Asia. Across the Border is the developing nation called Mexico. Not far off is one of the hottest places on earth. For most people, England is a blip on the radar only rarely, and even then the discussion is not how she should drive on the right side of the road to come in line with the rest of the world's nations.

I don't have firearms, I don't want a firearm, and I don't give a crap about firearms. But this thread is just another excuse for Britons to sit around "advising" the US from the butt-hurting seat of the Empire. It serves no purpose. Richard started by posting a URL (I'd call it a link if I could click it) with absolutely no commentary….Why? Surely there are plenty more threads of this shit. Well, because it is just another way to say you hate America and you reckon you're superior because you live somewhere that's not USA. How lucky you all are to have olddude play along; he was able to provide the sample-type of the Culturally Backwards/Brainwashed America, to kick around like a football and to be the example to nitpick and launch off with endless repetition of the same irrelevant Hobbit opinions.

Unless it's just caring, humanitarian interest. Is that it? You people are just so concerned about the lost lives - and you're too old to go to the Amazon rain forest to hug trees - so you've found a cause: lobby remotely for gun law reform in USA by slowly winning over socks'n'sandal folkies with fresh testimonials of "I ain't got no guns in West Stains, and I'm totally fine!"

My only guess is that British media is far too obsessed with things happening in America - and especially the most sensational things - that some are just so sick to death of "[Britain-mediated] America"…and who could blame them?…that they have to lash out like frustrated media-staurated Americans lash out at yet another Yahoo! "article" on Kim Kardashian's ass. But we don't start threads on Kardashian's ass, see?

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law?
From: Musket
Date: 25 Aug 14 - 02:54 AM

I suppose it's the combination of the law allowing people to have guns and people like Olddude having them that makes a frightening situation. Yeah, we have idiots who go around saying they used to be in the paras etc but their only weapon is a pint pot or keyboard. They might glorify bang bang but they aren't allowed to have any.

You can get firearm licences in The UK for hunting and target sport, but it involves an interview with the police who also inspect your safes. I can say with full certainty that if Olddude said any of his scary shit to the interviewing policeman that he has said above, he would be classified as not fit to hold a firearm licence.

But he doesn't live here. So whatever Mickey Mouse registration licence they give out where he lives is different. Licences here specifically preclude self defence. They also preclude most lethal firearms that would be of interest to armed criminals anyway.

We agonise over gun crime here, yet the figures for The UK as a whole don't even reach that of a single LA neighbourhood.

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law?
From: Ebbie
Date: 25 Aug 14 - 02:45 AM

Alaska has a very high rate of alcoholism and that may be a partial cause of the gun violence statistic. There are surely other reasons also, among them isolation, the perceived need to carry weapons in defense against wild animals, guns used in hunting everything from grouse to moose and bear, even subsistence hunting for seals and whale. Besides which, Alaska is a very outdoorsy kind of place and there are a lot of macho people in it who pride themselves on their ability to handle whatever is thrown at them. I doubt there are many snow machines and dog sleds that don't have a rifle or two tucked away.


"The analysis finds that Alaska:
Had the highest rate of firearm deaths in 2010
Had the highest rate of children under the age of 18 killed by guns in the 10-year period from 2001 through 2010"

****************************************************************8
"Alaska exemplifies this trend by having the second-highest rate of overall gun violence and some of the weakest gun laws, ranking 12th-weakest in the country according to the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence.
The 10 states with the weakest gun laws collectively have a level of gun violence that is more than twice as high—104 percent higher—than the 10 states with the strongest gun laws.
Of the 10 states with the strongest gun laws, nine are among the 25 states with the lowest levels of gun violence, including 6 of the 10 with the very lowest levels."

"Louisiana, as of 2010, had the highest rate of gun violence."

http://www.americanprogress.org/press/release/2013/04/03/58669/release-alaska-has-the-second-highest-rate-of-gun-violence-in-the

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 25 Aug 14 - 02:44 AM

"And carrying a firearm is no fun. I said before a pocket watch is far more comfortable. However there are reasons for a firearm at times
I leave it at that"

From my post 24 Aug 14 - 01:38 PM:-

"You're brainwashed. So brainwashed you don't even know it."

QED.

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law?
From: PHJim
Date: 25 Aug 14 - 01:47 AM

Mrrzy - PM
Date: 20 Aug 14 - 02:47 PM

"I'm not saying they exist everywhere else; I'm saying that where people have the right to weaponry they don't go around shooting each other except here. Look at the number of guns owned per person in Canada - yet they don't go shooting each other over what music someone is playing in their car! That kind of gun violence, or shooting up a dorm full of women because you couldn't get as laid as you felt you should have been, takes an American sense of entitlement to not have to put up with annoyance, an American sense of violence as an acceptable response to annoyance, and an American attitude that shooting people who annoy you is something to be proud of/aspire to."

***************************************************************
Gun owners in Canada are mostly hunters. Handgun owners are not allowed to carry a loaded gun in an automobile or on their person. If they are transporting the gun to a gun club, the ammunition must be separate from the weapon. Guns in the home must be stored in a separate location from the ammunition. Concealed carry permits are all but non-existent and I have never seen anyone out of uniform open carry except when hunting.

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law?
From: olddude
Date: 24 Aug 14 - 10:18 PM

And carrying a firearm is no fun. I said before a pocket watch is far more comfortable. However there are reasons for a firearm at times
I leave it at that

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law?
From: olddude
Date: 24 Aug 14 - 10:12 PM

What pisses me off is we have 20000 gun laws on the books. And most all negated by the gun show so most of us say enough laws until you get your act together and make one that makes sense

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law?
From: olddude
Date: 24 Aug 14 - 09:50 PM

Doesn't affect me dick I want them to get rid of the gun show loophole that would make a big difference in making every one safe

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law?
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 24 Aug 14 - 09:45 PM

olddude-
In what way would any of the proposed limitations on gun availability or magazine capacity or automatic operation or background check requirements negatively affect you? Or Kendall, for that matter?

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law?
From: olddude
Date: 24 Aug 14 - 09:17 PM

And I like every other shooter I know even reload our own rounds oh the folly #@#@+

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law?
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 Aug 14 - 09:13 PM

Read this, y'all- might just save your asses:

http://www.populist.com/20.14.crowther.html

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law?
From: olddude
Date: 24 Aug 14 - 09:11 PM

And rahere the only safe way is to pull the slides and bolts I did that when my kids were growing up and ammo can be stored in another locked area yes with them
I even disassembled my wheel guns when they were little. They are adults I have no such reason anymore as it me and Mrs and outside the military you folks know nothing of firearms. Here we grow up with them and do know how to store them for heaven sake you do not know what you are talking about

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law?
From: olddude
Date: 24 Aug 14 - 08:38 PM

Remember a few years ago when jacqui wanted a machine gun dummy round for her grandson. Remember my response. I go to my basement and make one. I sent her two. Yup I like target shooting with everything and I have the license. Those were 50 cal rounds

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law?
From: olddude
Date: 24 Aug 14 - 08:30 PM

And bill I respect your opinion. We just differ that's all

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law?
From: olddude
Date: 24 Aug 14 - 08:29 PM

Hey gnu and rap hear that I have no training right

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law?
From: olddude
Date: 24 Aug 14 - 08:28 PM

By the way they make all kinds of rapid access handgun safes. That Are kid proof I won't explain how they work. But if you were knowledgable you would not make such statements
Again talking about something you know nothing about. I don't argue with my doctor about medical stuff. Don't argue with a certified instructor.. Oh I forgot I wasn't trained Lol

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law?
From: olddude
Date: 24 Aug 14 - 08:19 PM

Amish have an arsenal because they hunt this is a hunting area with lots of woods

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law?
From: olddude
Date: 24 Aug 14 - 08:17 PM

I. Have concealed carry permits good in 26 states and as far as trained.. Just ask the navy seals. Yes my firearms at home are in a safe when any of my grandchildren are anywhere around. When my Mrs and I are the only ones sometimes not. Not good for criminals to test it. Some times I carry some times I don't again not smart to test it

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law?
From: GUEST,Rahere
Date: 24 Aug 14 - 07:28 PM

My shooting was trained by the military (infantry officer with Special Forces after me), and I've shot at International competition level with them. But I don't regret not continuing, given the alternatives.

There are certain aspects of OldDude's postings which make me think he's never been properly trained. Yes, keep your weapons in a safe, but also keep your ammunition in another somewhere else in the house, and ensure that neither is obvious as a weapons cache. That way everyone can be certain that a Pistorius situation is not accidental. Indeed, in the UK the military tend to keep breech blocks/firing pins separate unless there is a reasonably imminent need to have the weapons useable, and of course that needs good record keeping so the right block goes back in the right weapon.

And if he's not been trained properly, then not much of what he says can be taken as good practice, sadly. Paranoia is not in and of itself a qualification for continuing the way they have: he needs to present local statistics for his neighbourhood to argue his case. In our precinct area in North London, there has been just one weapon incident in a year, someone with a knife. No need, for all that we were on the front line in the 2011 riots.

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 24 Aug 14 - 04:18 PM

I know what you're saying John - but let's face it. they must like it that way. its a cultural difference.

they have queer ideas about all sorts of stuff