The 10/8-Penny Bit

Subject: The 10/8-Penny Bit
From: Jack Campin
Date: 23 Aug 14 - 04:38 PM

I saw two people doing a clog dance at Whitby to a 10/8 version of the Tenpenny Bit.

It was a bit hard for me to hear it properly from where I was standing. Anybody got an ABC or YouTube link for it?

Subject: RE: The 10/8-Penny Bit
From: GUEST, topsie
Date: 23 Aug 14 - 04:51 PM

I looked at the thread title - 10/8-Penny Bit - and worked out that 10 eighths of a penny is a penny farthing. Are there any possibilities there for a song/tune/dance?

Subject: RE: The 10/8-Penny Bit
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 24 Aug 14 - 04:50 PM

Interesting meter...

Even as a 4/5

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

Please post an example.

Subject: RE: The 10/8-Penny Bit
From: Jack Campin
Date: 24 Aug 14 - 06:27 PM

Seems to me there are two ways to do it, dropping quavers here and there. You either use 3+3+2+2 or the Middle Eastern sama'i metre, 3+2+2+3. I think the Whitby players did the first.

Original:

X:1
T:The Tenpenny Bit
M:6/8
L:1/8
K:ADor
eAA eAA|BAB GBd|eAA eAA|def gfg|\
eAA eAA|BAB GBd|ede gdB|BAG A3:|
eaa aga|bag edB|eaa aga|bge g2d|\
eaa aga|bag edB|BAB edB|BAG A3:|


3+3+2+2:

X:2
T:The Tenpenny Bit
M:10/8
L:1/8
K:ADor
eAA eAA BA GB|eAA eAA de gf |\
eAA eAA BA GB|ede gdB BG A2:|
eaa aga ba eg|eaa aga be g2 |\
eaa aga ba eg|BAB edB BG A2:|


Sama'i:

X:3
T:The Tenpenny Bit
M:10/8
L:1/8
K:ADor
eAA eA BA GBd|eAA eA de gfg|\
eAA eA BA GBd|ede gB BG A3:|
eaa ag bg edB|eaa ag be g2d|\
eaa ag bg edB|BAB eB BG A3:|

Subject: RE: The 10/8-Penny Bit
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 24 Aug 14 - 10:09 PM

So....

ONE, two, three...ONE two,...ONE, two,...ONE, two, three?

Is there and example in D.T.?

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

That might take some serious practice for the bass.

Subject: RE: The 10/8-Penny Bit
From: Jack Campin
Date: 25 Aug 14 - 05:46 AM

Look at Middle Eastern sheet music resources and you'll find a lot of stuff in sama'i (semai in Turkish). "Lamma bada" is the best known outside the Middle East.

It's a bit more sophisticated than just a time signature. The percussion accompaniment recognizes light/high and heavy/deep beats, "tek" and "dum". Each bar of the semai pattern goes

dum --- --- tek --- : dum dum tek --- ---