BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation

Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Mrrzy
Date: 18 Oct 14 - 08:10 PM

Oops my apologies lighter you said In America and I glossed right over it. Sorry.

Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Mrrzy
Date: 18 Oct 14 - 08:09 PM

Unless you live in the wrong parts of Guinea, Sierra Leone or Liberia.

Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Lighter
Date: 18 Oct 14 - 07:36 PM

> The role of the environment in transmission has not been established.

Meaning what?

> can remain viable on solid surfaces

Same question. Even if "viable" means "infectious," the virus evidently can only get on that surface from a very sick person or a person who's just come into contact with one, and has touched the surface with the virus on his skin.

Ebola is not a very new disease. It has been studied for nearly 40 years.

You are far more likely to be killed by a bus or a handgun or lightning in America than by Ebola.

For now, anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 18 Oct 14 - 07:18 PM

Information and Misinformation with a large share of the latter in this thread.

This from Center for Disease Control (cdc.gov.). "Interim guidance for environmental infection control in hospitals for Ebola virus." August 1, 2014.

Direct contact with body fluids, etc.
The role of the environment in transmission has not been established.
Limited lab studies show that the Ebola virus can remain viable on solid surfaces, with concentrations falling over several days.
A list of recommendations for hospitals follows.

Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 18 Oct 14 - 07:10 PM

I fail to see how in some dire circumstances you would not catch ebola from a toilet seat.

Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Mrrzy
Date: 18 Oct 14 - 06:35 PM

The cruise ship person is some poor soul from the lab who handled the blood with no extra precautions, not a nurse, no direct contact with the blood unless they weren't even following AIDS protocols which I doubt, but they *were* under "voluntary" quarantine and should have volunteered to stay home, sorry, they can sue the hospital for the lost vacation but shouldn't have gone on a voyage. In a vessel.

Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 18 Oct 14 - 04:51 PM

Olddude No doubt the Nurses were highly trained, probably with Bsc Or Ms degrees. I saw the head of the CDC interviewed last Sunday. He said that all of our hospitals have protocols, including the one in Dallas. Most likely the nurse in Dallas got the disease by touching eyes or mouth after getting the infection on her fingers while taking off her suit. Of course I have no special knowledge.

I would say that if Kelly W. Hunt is who she says she is, her misinformation may save her life. If she thinks she can get Ebola from say, a toilet seat or a doorknob, she is likely to be careful enough to take off her decontamination suit without touching infected bodily fluids.

Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Lighter
Date: 18 Oct 14 - 04:01 PM

The nurse, however, wasn't "under quarantine." Only the family members were quarantined.

Presumably the ICU team was not quarantined because first, they'd been wearing protective gear, and second, as professionals they could be relied on to monitor their temperatures and report any symptoms.

Which is precisely what they did.

Of a reported seventy members of the team, only two fell ill, even with inadequate protective equipment.

*Sixty-eight* are fine. Of course, there's still some time left in the incubation period, but it seems unlikely at this point that even one more person in the monitored group will get sick. It would be tragic if anyone did, but it would still be far from an "Ebola outbreak in America."

Meanwhile, a school in Maine has been closed because a teacher went to Dallas and stayed at a hotel ten miles from the hospital.

The real story, beside the apparent unpreparedness, is the *heroism* of the team that did everything in their power, under horrible conditions, to save Thomas Duncan's life. Two heroic nurses, Nina Pham and Amber Vinson, are suffering terribly for it now.

They could have said they weren't going near him.

And the bigger story, of course, is that the world needs to make sure Ebola is stopped in West Africa before it really can cause outbreaks elsewhere. Anyone treating an Ebola patient is a real hero in my book.

Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Mrrzy
Date: 18 Oct 14 - 02:37 PM

Well, yes, but it's not OK for someone running a fever during a quarantine period to be out of quarantine. Even with something hard to catch, when that something can't be treated, let alone cured.

But yeah, if the family didn't catch it, and they are out of the incubation period now I do believe - he first got sick 9/24, so the 15th was day 21 - then even people within the outbreak area can relax some.

It is demonstrably hard to get, even with contact with bodily fluids.

Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Lighter
Date: 18 Oct 14 - 01:56 PM

The nurses didn't "get it with protection" except in the sense that they were wearing inadequate protection when they got it.

Their necks were exposed, and they were exposed to a dying man who was bleeding, projectile vomiting, etc., etc.

THINK ABOUT IT. The family under quarantine, with whom he lived with the disease for several days - including his fiancee - is virtually at the end of the incubation period and in spite of all that NO ONE IS SICK. And none of them were wearing *any* protection at all

They wore NO protection, and his dirty sheets, towels and linen were in the house with them for several more days.

That and the fact that you're not infectious until you're very sick.

Hence the OK for the undiagnosed nurse running one degree of fever to return to Dallas. As public relations, of course, it was a disaster.

These are things that should be emphasized.

Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: GUEST,#
Date: 18 Oct 14 - 08:34 AM

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0903696.html

Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Mrrzy
Date: 17 Oct 14 - 11:17 PM

I had a thoughtful post with lots of links in it, which worked fine when I checked it after work, but which isn't here now?

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Hi, Mrrzy. There are no deleted messages in this thread, but yet it sounds like your message isn't one of those that simply didn't "take." For years, we've heard reports of disappearing messages, and we haven't found the source of the problem. But we're still looking....but the problem is, they disappear without a trace.
-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Ebbie
Date: 17 Oct 14 - 10:00 PM

Rap, if you had a million billion dollars, I say you should buy your own stinkin' palomino pony and real fireman's hat. sheeeesh

Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: olddude
Date: 17 Oct 14 - 09:48 PM

Agree no reason for panic but no reason to believe everything you hear either. Like wmd in Iraq

Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Rapparee
Date: 17 Oct 14 - 09:31 PM

Jeez. I've read and re-read the WHO and CDC recommendations. I promise not the have sex with an Ebola patient while eating a fruit bat or a chimpanzee.

Chongo is safe for now.

I wish that people would learn to use good sense, but I also wish I had a million billion dollars and a palomino pony and a real fireman's hat.

Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Bill D
Date: 17 Oct 14 - 09:25 PM

My son is asst. manager of a surplus type store in the Wash DC suburbs.
He says that they have had a serious increase in the number of people seeking to acquire.....gas masks!
He has explained that, although they will sell what they want, gas masks are irrelevant in ebola prevention. It does little good, because so many simply will not read & understand how ebola is transmitted. They have sold a number of gas masks.

Like many other issues, pure & simple ignorance is rampant.

Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Jeri
Date: 17 Oct 14 - 09:25 PM

Here's a Material Safety Data Sheet for the Ebola virus.

Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: olddude
Date: 17 Oct 14 - 08:54 PM

But we don't have to swallow the bs pill the government is selling either Greg. Two highly trained nurses got it with protection ya see

Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 Oct 14 - 08:42 PM

The thinking is there's way too much bullshit being bandied about on this issue.

We certainly don't need to add more to the mix.

Subject: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Ebbie
Date: 17 Oct 14 - 08:27 PM

On Facebook today, they are discussing Ebola and its dangers. Here's what this person said:

Kelly W. Hunt I'm in Dallas and I'm a medical professional. This is real.
5 hrs · Like · 2

Elva Bontrager (Ebbie) Of course, it is real but it isn't spread as easily as the flu or the common cold..
5 hrs · Like

Kelly W. Hunt: Wrong. Its spread much easier. It's about the concentration per droplet. Say the flu or a cold has the power of 1000 virus molecules per droplet? Ebola has 10,000 per droplet and it lives outside the host much longer than a cold or flu.
And the doctors I work for are extremely skeptical of the airborne theory. How do all the children come in contact??
39 mins · Like · 1

Elva Bontrager: Until you "medical professionals" get it together you are doing a tremendous disservice to the people of this country. Making such explosive statements WITHOUT DOCUMENTATION OR OTHER EVIDENCE is simple fear mongering, and unless and until you present such documentation you need to stop.

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What is the thinking on this in the Mudcat pond?