BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: GUEST,Allan Conn
Date: 28 Mar 15 - 05:34 AM

"At least most of the minority parties, be it the Lib Dems, the Greens, UKIP etc claim to have the interests of the whole of the UK at heart. The difference with the SNP (and to a lesser extent Plaid Cymru) is that they do not."

Howard that simply isn't true though. The SNP do claim to have the interests of the whole UK at heart. Maybe you don't believe them but that is a different thing! In fact Salmond even signed the Edinburgh Agreement promising they would work for the benefit of the UK as a whole whatever the outcome of the vote. ie the last sentence of clause 30 of the Edinburgh Agreement pasted below. So the SNP were asked to sign an agreement saying they would work for the UK as a whole, which they happily did, then on the eve of an increased SNP membership at Westminster they are told by some Tories that they do not, and could not, have the best interests of the UK at heart.

"The two governments are committed to continue to work together constructively in the light of the
outcome, whatever it is, in the best interests of the people of Scotland and of the rest of the United Kingdom."

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: akenaton
Date: 28 Mar 15 - 05:39 AM

Sorry Allan, I cross posted...and thank you for your explanation.

I was thinking more about different groups being labelled as bigots because of their views on subjects like immigration or same sex "marriage".....there are often reasons other than "bigotry" for opposition, as I tried to explain in one of my posts.
I have always respected your views and your conduct here, I apologise if I was clumsy in my language.

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: GUEST,Allan Conn
Date: 28 Mar 15 - 05:44 AM

Ake I agreed with the poster called Musket re the idea that not everyone voting for a party agrees with the ideals of the leaders of said party! If you saw that as an attack on you then I apologise. It honestly wasn't meant to be. Believe it or not I tend to ignore lots of the persoanl arguments that go on and don't wish to get embroiled in one. I have no interest in the intricacies of who is in team Musket or how many Muskets are posting etc. I always though Musket was a guy from Lincolnshire or thereabouts though there seems to be one claiming to be a woman living in Scotland. If they are two separate people then why are they allowed to post with the same name. I used to post under the name of Allan C but was told not to as there was another poster using that name already. I happily changed it. So Mrs Musket if you exist to avoid confusion please change the name as the other Musket has been posting for years. If it is one poster doing all the posts then come on - that is silly.......

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: GUEST,Allan Conn
Date: 28 Mar 15 - 05:46 AM

Apologies crossed there!!!

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: GUEST,Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Mar 15 - 06:25 AM

though there seems to be one claiming to be a woman living in Scotland.

No, Allan. There are two in Scotland, Musket and his wife, who are both Male. This is how it started. Ake says that Gay people are notoriously promiscuous, perverted and should not be allowed to get married. Amongst other things. The two Muskets in Scotland live near him. The original one lives, as you say, in England and has some properties in Scotland. I do not believe they are one person as some do. I tend to think that most people do tell the truth and, in absence of evidence to the contrary, I believe what the Muskets say. Other people have suspicions but, being a pragmatic sort of chap, I like proof before saying something is so.

Hope this helps.

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Mar 15 - 06:58 AM

What is wrong with being honest with the membership and putting your views as yourself...

Fine by me. I do it all the time. So what's your name then?

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: akenaton
Date: 28 Mar 15 - 07:08 AM

I only ever post as akenaton Steve, as you well know. That is all that is required for the purposes of reasonable discussion.

I could post under any name and you would be none the wiser who I was, but three and sometimes four people pretending to be one is confusing and makes debate difficult.

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Mar 15 - 07:49 AM

I don't give a monkey's mickey who you post as, but don't tell me you're posting as "yourself" when you're using a pseudonym.

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: Musket
Date: 28 Mar 15 - 08:12 AM

Rather confusing I know, but only one Musket in Scotland. To my knowledge his husband doesn't know what Mudcat is. A good job given that Akenaton is allowed to post filth aimed at gay men whilst Mudcat has a few gay posters and Max tells moderators to delete insults at members, let alone the bigoted filth nobody should have to put up with.

Notice he put "marriage" instead of marriage yet on other threads asks for good wishes for his wife.

Utterly utterly despicable. Musket's marriage is as valid as his, so why he can insult marriage of whilst wanting sympathy for his is beyond credibility.

Allan. Three people post as Musket. It allows people to concentrate on the post not the person posting.

Akenaton is too ashamed of his views to use his real name. He complains about others though. I'm not sure if this is hypocrisy or low intelligence, but given the quality of his posts, possibly a combination.

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: BrendanB
Date: 28 Mar 15 - 09:17 AM

I do not see how Musket can complain about others posting under a pseudonym when he does the same. I am also unconvinced by the Musket argument that by three people posting under the same name this somehow encourages others to focus on the post and not the poster. As long as the poster has a name some people will focus on what they believe to be the person.   Finally, am I alone in finding it odd that three people hold exactly the same views on every issue?

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: GUEST,Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Mar 15 - 09:32 AM

Finally, am I alone in finding it odd that three people hold exactly the same views on every issue?

Yes, you are. I would find it extremely odd that as few as 3 people had the same views on every issue. I suspect it is millions.

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: GUEST,Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Mar 15 - 09:39 AM

Ah - Apologies Muskets and Scottish Musket's wife in particular. It was very wrong of me to say he was as daft as the rest of in posting here - Send him my apologies. Who are the three Muskets then? No names - Just a rough idea such as McMusket, OrignalMusket and ANOtherMusket?

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: GUEST,Keith A
Date: 28 Mar 15 - 10:04 AM

I am quite certain that all Musket posts are by the same person.

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: GUEST,Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Mar 15 - 10:41 AM

Just opinion. No proof. Bit like god really...

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: akenaton
Date: 28 Mar 15 - 10:45 AM

Steve says,
"I don't give a monkey's mickey who you post as, but don't tell me you're posting as "yourself" when you're using a pseudonym."

On this forum I post under a pseudonym, I reveal my personal details only to a few close friends, and admin. Most other posters do the same and this is common sense on the internet.
I would NEVER countenance the use of my membername by anyone else.
On this forum, for the purposes of debate I alone am akenaton.

The nonsense about three or four people using one membername in order to focus on the issue cuts no ice with me, as most "Team Musket" posts are filled with personal abuse, smears and downright lies.
Keith may be correct and the whole thing is an elaborate and disingenuous hoax.......we shall see.

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 28 Mar 15 - 10:55 AM

Interesting that the stated purpose of the 3 Muskets is that "It allows people to concentrate on the post not the person posting." when Musket is among the first to move the debate into the realm of the personal with his insults. I'm convinced he's invented, and is performing as, the gay, Scottish McMusket in order to further bedevil a certain kilted, gay-bashing racist. While this may be a noble endeavor it's kind of creepy and disingenuous.

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: akenaton
Date: 28 Mar 15 - 11:52 AM

Why have they not allowed you into their gang Gilly?....Blackballed?

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 28 Mar 15 - 12:10 PM

No Ache, I just don't exalt one group of people over another due to xenophobic or homophobic inclinations. You ought to try it some time.

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: akenaton
Date: 28 Mar 15 - 12:15 PM

Oh I think you would fit in fine....:0)   don't be backward in coming forward!

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: GUEST,Allan Conn
Date: 28 Mar 15 - 12:19 PM

Re the name thing! I don't mind whether people post in their full names, a made up name, or like me a part name! I just find it easier if they are consistent. Sorry Musket(s) but I just find the multiple personalities just too confusing.

I mean I wouldn't expect my wife to phone a friend and say "It is Allan here - I am just using his name rather than my own just so that you concentrate on the conversation and not who I am"

That would be a tad silly!

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: GUEST,Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Mar 15 - 12:26 PM

Don't worry gillymor - It doesn't worry about other issues that we have disagreed on, like grown up people. It only thinks that if you disagree with it, you are part of some secret cabal that conspires to promote homosexuality and take over Scotland.

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: Musket
Date: 28 Mar 15 - 12:43 PM

Keith said above that he is sure that there is only one Musket. He is sure that UKIP has a point, that Asian males have grooming of young girls hard wired in them and that hospitals and schools are legitimate targets for Israeli bombers, oh and that sending waves of young men towards machine guns was an example of well led troops.

So you see, I only know for certain that three mates decided to use the same log in a couple of years ago, and that Keith might be right on other points.

I somehow doubt it though.. Given his record, I rather believe Nick when he said he met him at a folk club in Hertford despite Keith claiming he has never met someone who, let's face it, he doesn't know the name or description of!

Keith's credibility isn't something I need to comment on really though. Anybody who reads his posts can judge his character for themselves.

Once again, into the breach. We post under one name to confuse those who address the poster not the post. Oh, and we disagree sometimes. Oh, and occasionally, Martyn posts under "some bloke in Scotland" and I occasionally put Ian at the bottom, if it is a serious post.

I have no problem associating them to Sheffield Wednesday despite the usual medical doctor fascination with rugby they seem to have, and personal opinions rarely crop up. Often, it's facing down bigots such as Keith, Terribulus and their pet worm, and it doesn't take an opposing opinion to do that, just decency and good manners.

Pip Pip.

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: Ed T
Date: 28 Mar 15 - 12:51 PM

"Sometimes we need to let things just air out"

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Mar 15 - 01:00 PM

You might get arrested for letting your thing air out in public.

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: akenaton
Date: 28 Mar 15 - 01:04 PM

Yes Ed, but in the case of Team Musket it's all hot air.

What was that post from TM all about?.......indecipherable.

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: Ed T
Date: 28 Mar 15 - 01:04 PM

"You might get arrested for letting your thing air out in public."

Maybe not, if you are a kilted Scot?