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Dark Island: Too late to have DigiTrad alteration? DigiTrad: DARK ISLAND 2 THE DARK ISLAND Related threads: Lyr ADD: Dark Island (Alan Bell) (31) (DTStudy) DTStudy: The Dark Island (62) Nationality of songs (104) (origins) Origins/Author: Dark Island (43) Information on The Dark Island (5) (origins) Tune Req: The Dark Isle (14) Dark Island (47) (origins) Origin: The Dark Island (41) (origins) Lyr/Tune Add: The Dark Isle (16) Lyr Req: Eilean Dorcha (3) |
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Subject: RE: Dark Island: Too late to have DigiTrad alteration? From: GUEST,Alan Ross Date: 09 Jul 15 - 06:17 PM Thanks for your advice and patience. You'll see that in years long gone by I placed most of the words with Mudcat. The problem is that the MIDI sample used doesn't match the Stewart Ross lyrics. I can't read music so don't know which music is being used in the musical notation version. If you cross reference the lyrics in the music you'll see that "O' I've wandered away.." should have read "though I've wandered away" "Years long ago" should have been "years long gone by -" minor points I know but it does spoil the scanning. The original structure as written in the sheet music and first recorded on record was verse 1, chorus, verse 2, chorus, verse 3, chorus Most recordings edit out the middle verse (2) as it's overall a bit long and monotonous in full. I am only aware of two recordings where the full 3 verses were used - otherwise people prefer the shortened one. Also my fathers tendency to use Scots abbreviations like O'er dates the middle verse. Thanks |
Subject: RE: Dark Island: Too late to have DigiTrad alteration? From: Joe Offer Date: 09 Jul 15 - 03:18 PM Hi, Alan - Yes, it has been a long time since we've had a new version of the Digital Tradition Database. I forget which version we have online at Mudcat - I think it's maybe 2008, but that's only a guess. Dick and Susan have kept updating information, but a new edition hasn't been distributed because of technical problems. So, if you want the best information, it's here in the Forum. "Dark Island" is a particular problem because there are so many songs with the same title. Some share the same tune, and some don't. I've tried to make sure we have the most accurate information on songs in our edited DT Study threads. Here's what's currently in the Digital Tradition for Dark Island Version 1. Please post any corrections below. THE DARK ISLAND (Stewart Ross) In the years long gone by When I first left my home I was young and I wanted The wide world to roam; But now I am older And wiser, you see, For that lovely dark island Is calling to me. cho: Though I've wandered away From the land of my birth, And been roaming around To the ends of the earth, Still my heart is at home In that land far away That lovely dark island Where memories stray. With a sorrowful heart I look back through the years When I think of that island My eyes fill with tears Once again then I long For the land I adore That lovely dark island I long for once more One day I'll return To that far-distant shore, And from that dark island I'll wander no more. 'Til the day that I die I will no longer roam For that lovely dark island Will be my last home. copyright Stewart Ross @home @travel filename[ DARKISLE TUNE FILE: DARKISLE CLICK TO PLAY RG
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Subject: RE: Tech: Too late to have Digi. Trad alteration? From: GUEST,Grishka Date: 09 Jul 15 - 01:01 PM Here is the thread. Elsewhere, Joe writes: "go to the attributions and minor corrections thread for minor stuff. For major stuff, start a new thread." He forgot to specify what to do for stuff in Dorian mode etc. |
Subject: RE: Tech: Too late to have Digi. Trad alteration? From: GUEST,Grishka Date: 09 Jul 15 - 12:51 PM I have noted that for many entries in the DT coming with separate tune and lyrics, the scanning is not clear at all. Both ABC and MIDI allow for lyrics added directly, this would be highly preferable, at least for the first verse. (In subsequent verses, different scanning can be indicated by tie symbols etc.) (NB: Alan, I realize that this is not your primary problem, but it would have been discovered earlier if my suggestion had been followed.) As for corrections, I think there is a dedicated permathread named something like "Corrections for the DT" where you can enter your proposals, giving reasons and sources. The keepers will copy into the DT whatever they deem fit, and then delete the proposal. |
Subject: RE: Tech: Too late to have Digi. Trad alteration? From: GUEST,Alan Ross Date: 09 Jul 15 - 11:27 AM I can see where your coming from Jim. But then there'd be a copyright free for all, law suits and arguments about who wrote what. A moderator needs to ensure fair use, and accurate archiving of the origins of the work. |
Subject: RE: Tech: Too late to have Digi. Trad alteration? From: Jim Dixon Date: 09 Jul 15 - 11:08 AM I'd like to see the whole Digital Tradition database turned into a Wiki-type database so we could all help make corrections and additions, similar to the way Wikipedia, Wikiquote, etc. are maintained. |
Subject: Tech: Too late to have Digi. Trad midi alteration? From: GUEST,Alan Ross Date: 09 Jul 15 - 09:12 AM Many years have elapsed since the Digi. Trad. database was created and has been circulated. I don't wish to go into the rigmarole of how my father wrote the lyrics to version 1 of the Dark Island on the database. But, his words don't fit the Midi sample that has been put with it. So it reads rather oddly when you don't have the correct tune version that goes with it. When he wrote the words - it was to an altered version of the tune. Unlike David Silver's Version 2 - which is a word for note fit and the tune is correct. There are a couple of word transcription errors that also spoil the way the lyrics fit. This is not casting blame at anybody, but is it possible all these years later to have that entry re-done? I have the original '63 printed sheet music of this version and can send them - and the song is on youtube anyway. Or am I a decade too late to bother. If I am I'll just forget it and let it go! This is not a discussion of 'Dark Island', the copyright, or its history which has been covered in endless volumes elsewhere. |
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