BS: Corbyn, Labour and ISIS

Subject: RE: BS: Corbyn, Labour and ISIS
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 06 Dec 15 - 08:39 AM

We vote for MPs to take tough decisions on our behalf. Attacking them for doing so is idiotic, even if you don't like what they decide.

Subject: RE: BS: Corbyn, Labour and ISIS
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Dec 15 - 08:00 AM

Going beyond equality?

You are allowed to express your view, however much it makes respectable people reach for a bucket.

Equality obviously has a yin and yang attached to it. Still, we are but a number of memorial services from that remaining a problem.

Subject: RE: BS: Corbyn, Labour and ISIS
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Dec 15 - 07:56 AM

It's not as if we can live in isolation, these communities are here now and are set to expand considerably in the near future.

Legislating against "faith" does not seem to me, an option.

Subject: RE: BS: Corbyn, Labour and ISIS
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Dec 15 - 07:52 AM

Bonzo, seems to me that integration is the answer to the problem, at least in the UK. In some respects ordinary followers of the Islamic faith are not to be blamed for shying away from a society that they perhaps rightly see as debauched and "godless".

I think our social legislation has gone far beyond the realms of "equality" and I am not a member of any organised religion.

Subject: RE: BS: Corbyn, Labour and ISIS
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Dec 15 - 07:28 AM

Well it would be very nice if BigEars found his faith-defending job so overwhelmingly time-consuming that he no could longer fit in silly pronouncements about homeopathy (thus propping up a whole army of charlatans), architecture and the environment. I'd be quite happy for him to stick to faith-defending, chatting to potted plants, letting poor people behind ropes in commonwealth countries wave cheap flags at him, enjoying his obnoxious family life and playing polo.

Subject: RE: BS: Corbyn, Labour and ISIS
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Dec 15 - 06:34 AM

"I find it ironic that Joe Public think they know more than the UK Military Intelligence Divisions."

Following Iraq and the WMD business Joe Public is likely to be skeptical of intelligence reports filtered by politicians.

Subject: RE: BS: Corbyn, Labour and ISIS
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Dec 15 - 06:14 AM

Discussing religious bigotry and the threats they involve is indeed worthwhile debate, but vilifying people based on their faith and what that faith is being abused for is as bigoted as that you decry.

Sharia law is something you may be interested in if you are a Muslim, but if you aren't you have no interest.

Well, apart from the parts of Sharia law we have adopted over the years, such as the work of ACAS. Arbitration is something we find useful. Sharia is used mainly for just that. Using superstition as a guide and a punishment for those subjected to it is where it falls down.

We have equality law rather than Sharia law. Those who dismiss equality are the danger to society. Stupid generalisations such as Muslims in Glasgow don't integrate are not only wrong, inaccurate and borne of ignorance, but considering the green and blue communities over the years, the sectarianism in the name of Christianity, what Glasgow single community is there to embrace incomers?

Pathetic

Subject: RE: BS: Corbyn, Labour and ISIS
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 06 Dec 15 - 05:39 AM

There reaches a point where you wonder if people actually research anything before brandishing ridiculous left-wing rhetoric or whether it just comes from an ideological standpoint based on nothing.

The amount of posts I read fear-mongering about all the dead civilians the bombing will cause is astounding given it is simply untrue. For a start, we aren't at war with Syria (if you can define Assad's regime as Syria), we are at war with Daesh, as we have been for over a year when we started bombing them in Iraq. Wednesday's vote changed very little. The bombs are aimed at hitting Daesh's supply lines and aren't just targeting random civilians. The last time I checked there aren't thousands of women and children chilling around in Daesh territory waiting to get bombed by the Western powers - and do you know why that is? Because most of them are fleeing Daesh's oppressive regime! No civilians are reported to have been killed in a year's worth of bombing of Daesh in Iraq. So please tell me where all these supposed bodies are coming from that are meant to be on Mr Cameron's conscience?

This vote won't magically cause Daesh to increase all their operations against the UK, the threat level has been, and remains at 'Severe' - i.e. an attack is highly likely. The concept that we ought to be looking at 'other strategies' is also naive, suggesting we aren't already doing so. I find it ironic that Joe Public think they know more than the UK Military Intelligence Divisions. The Prime Minister makes decisions based on intelligence given to him from the highest level, not because he wakes up in the morning thinking "hey let's go bomb Daesh in Syria today!"

Subject: RE: BS: Corbyn, Labour and ISIS
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 06 Dec 15 - 05:31 AM

I should bloody coco

Subject: RE: BS: Corbyn, Labour and ISIS
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Dec 15 - 05:06 AM

One of the biggest problems is of course the policy of "multiculturalism"....in Glasgow we have a large Muslim population who simply do not integrate to any meaningful extent.
Inter-marriage is almost non existent and social integration is minimal. I am led to believe that this is replicated over much of England?.....perhaps I am wrong on that?

If it is indeed the case, we must work to assist integration, even if it means curtailing some of our own most outrageous social policies.

Subject: RE: BS: Corbyn, Labour and ISIS
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Dec 15 - 04:51 AM

The policies of most political Parties change with great rapidity to adapt to circumstances....example, EU membership, Immigration policy etc.
The key is in the numbers....Islamic Political Parties are a possibility, as are Christian ones, but projected numbers are not in their favour.

Subject: RE: BS: Corbyn, Labour and ISIS
From: DMcG
Date: 06 Dec 15 - 04:40 AM

I was reminded of this discussion from 2008. I wonder if it is still being considered:


Prince Charles to be known as Defender of Faith

By Andrew Pierce

10:44PM GMT 13 Nov 2008



The Prince of Wales, who is 60 today, is planning a symbolic change when he becomes King by taking the title Defender of Faith to reflect Britain's multicultural society.

The move would mean the monarch, as Supreme Governor of the Church of England, would no longer be known as Defender of the Faith for the first time since the reign of Henry VIII.

The Prince caused controversy within the Anglican church when he floated the idea several years ago of becoming Defender of the Faiths in an attempt to embrace the other religions in Britain.

In a compromise he has now opted for Defender of Faith which he hopes will unite the different strands of society, and their beliefs, at his Coronation.

However, there would be huge obstacles to overcome before the Prince can fulfil his wish which he has discussed with some of his closest advisers. It would require Parliament to agree to amend the 1953 Royal Titles Act which came into law after changes were made for the Queen's Coronation in the same year. A senior source told The Daily Telegraph: "There have been lots of discussions. He would like to be known as the Defender of Faith which is a subtle but hugely symbolic shift."

The Monarch has been known by the title Defender of the Faith ever since the title was bestowed on Henry VIII by the Pope in 1521 for his early support for Roman Catholicism

A Clarence House spokesman said: "There has been work done on the accession planning as you would expect however there has been no planning of the Coronation or its contents." The Prince has been advised on the accession by Sir Stephen Lamport, his former Private Secretary, who was a senior civil servant.

Vernon Bogdanor, the constitutionalist who is Professor of Government at Oxford University, said: "In 1952, when the Queen came to the throne, it was very much an Anglican society. The Prince of Wales will become head of a nation which is multi-denominational.

"The Prince has said that he wants to be seen as a defender of all religious faiths and not just the Anglican church but the Coronation is an Anglican ceremony. Any change would require legislation."

Professor Bogdanor said that after the Coronation, which will take place at Westminster Abbey, it was plausible that a second service would be held for other denominations and faiths, such as the Muslims and Hindus. "It would be a way of the new King showing their importance in the country," said Prof Bogdanor.

Subject: RE: BS: Corbyn, Labour and ISIS
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Dec 15 - 04:25 AM

Well Dave, it was meant as tongue in cheek, but I suppose the future is difficult to determine, the introduction of Sharia Law and the political status of Islam are distinct possibilities.

Stating these possibilities as the religious balance shifts, is not racism or bigotry it is reasonable debate.

Subject: RE: BS: Corbyn, Labour and ISIS
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Dec 15 - 04:25 AM

Someone tell him that being gay isn't in accord with the teaching of the prophet and he will automatically become more tolerant of peaceful law abiding Muslims in our society.

Subject: RE: BS: Corbyn, Labour and ISIS
From: GUEST,Dave
Date: 06 Dec 15 - 03:43 AM

Akenaton,

If being a Muslim doesn't make you a terrorist, the what is this phrase all about:

"Its a numbers game and when the majority demand their "rights", we will be up shit creek......Chop Chop."

(From: akenaton Date: 05 Dec 15 - 05:30 PM )

Subject: RE: BS: Corbyn, Labour and ISIS
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 06 Dec 15 - 03:10 AM

And Chelsea lost again yesterday!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Corbyn, Labour and ISIS
From: akenaton
Date: 05 Dec 15 - 07:39 PM

Of course being a Muslim doesn't make you a terrorist and stating that does not make you a troll.....you were born a troll and a stalker......must be genetic.   :0)

Subject: RE: BS: Corbyn, Labour and ISIS
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 05 Dec 15 - 06:01 PM

Sleep on this - SAS units have surely been in under cover in Syria for many months gathering intelligence, that's how it works. Nothing can be done without intelligence. white feather corbyn obviously chooses to ignore this!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Corbyn, Labour and ISIS
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Dec 15 - 05:50 PM

"I'm no racist"

Up there with "read my lips" except we were dismayed by Tricky Dicky on the basis that he had intelligence. I suppose the lack in this case is mitigation.

By the way. To state that being a Muslim does not make you a terrorist is not being a troll. You disgusting little creep

Subject: RE: BS: Corbyn, Labour and ISIS
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Dec 15 - 05:31 PM

Muslim Terrorists, eh? Google "Syosset weapons cache".

Subject: RE: BS: Corbyn, Labour and ISIS
From: akenaton
Date: 05 Dec 15 - 05:30 PM

Oh come on if I can ignore the troll surely you can.
I'm no racist, I was simply contrasting the numbers of Muslims with the numbers of secularists and Christians......How can anyone think that I believe all Muslims are terrorists.

Although there are many different factions Dave, converts to the Muslim faith and family sizes contrasted with the decline of religion in the West will ensure a huge Muslim majority in the future.
Its a numbers game and when the majority demand their "rights", we will be up shit creek......Chop Chop.

Subject: RE: BS: Corbyn, Labour and ISIS
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 05 Dec 15 - 04:00 PM

dum de dum de dum - you know nothing.

Subject: RE: BS: Corbyn, Labour and ISIS
From: GUEST,Dave
Date: 05 Dec 15 - 03:01 PM

Actually Bonzo3legs, I was too kind. According to you, Corbyn is a "member of the white feather brigade". The corollary according to you then is that the likes of Cameron and Hilary Benn are not. To show the brown-skinned people that they are not cowards, they are going to drop bombs on them from 30,000 feet. Actually because they are big strong Members of Parliament they are not going to do that, they are just going to order other people to do it for them.

Subject: RE: BS: Corbyn, Labour and ISIS
From: GUEST,Dave
Date: 05 Dec 15 - 02:52 PM

What on earth are you on about Bonzo3legs? Thats about as puerile and meaningless a contribution as it is possible to imagine.

Akenaton, again I think that your comment about the numbers of the "followers of Islam" fails to take sufficient account of the sharp divisions within the Islamic world.

Subject: RE: BS: Corbyn, Labour and ISIS
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Dec 15 - 02:31 PM

To try to put people of a faith in the same pot as those who use a faith as an excuse for their very secular ends shows the extent to which ignorance and discrimination feeds the terrorist agenda.

Hence the several attempted discussions - now closed - about "Christian Terrorism" - some people just don't get it.

Subject: RE: BS: Corbyn, Labour and ISIS
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 05 Dec 15 - 01:32 PM

The only thing that Corbyn is supporting is the white feather brigade!

Subject: RE: BS: Corbyn, Labour and ISIS
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Dec 15 - 01:17 PM

What sickens me is

"The followers of Islam overwhelmingly outnumber...."

Such dangerous, crass, ill informed hatred has no place in a public arena. To try to put people of a faith in the same pot as those who use a faith as an excuse for their very secular ends shows the extent to which ignorance and discrimination feeds the terrorist agenda.

Equating being a Muslim with being a terrorist is exactly what the terrorists want feeble minded grunts to think. Well displayed above.

Oh and Corbyn is not supporting Assad or any other win by force faction. He specifically speaks of elections to a restored Syria, which is not the aim of either Assad or Putin.

Subject: RE: BS: Corbyn, Labour and ISIS
From: akenaton
Date: 05 Dec 15 - 12:14 PM

It's not about "white feathers", it's about International Politics.
politicians may be devious and self serving, but they are not stupid.

Cameron and the Blairites know very well that our engagement will make no material difference to the situation in Syria and certainly will not make us safer at home. It is about constructing an alternative coalition to ensure that Russia and Iran do not end up as major powers in the area.

We cannot afford to play games with these Jihadi lunatics, we must support Assad against all opposition, create one united coalition which can push them right out of Syria and Iraq. This is what Mr Corbyn was suggesting.

Co operation on this issue may lead to a bit of realism returning to International Politics.

Subject: RE: BS: Corbyn, Labour and ISIS
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 05 Dec 15 - 11:51 AM

a white feather to corbyn & abbott

Subject: RE: BS: Corbyn, Labour and ISIS
From: akenaton
Date: 05 Dec 15 - 11:49 AM

I think I may have been clumsy; the analogy does work in the sense that you can attempt to rid the world of an ideology by bombing those who adhere to that ideology, but often the attempt is counter productive as the adherents become more entrenched in their beliefs, become inspired by their grief and hardships.....as in Vietnam.
Most Jihad is welcome death.

Sheer numbers are the problem, the followers of Islam overwhelmingly outnumber secularist and Christians combined.

Subject: RE: BS: Corbyn, Labour and ISIS
From: DMcG
Date: 05 Dec 15 - 11:28 AM

Let's assume it is too difficult for me. I think greg's analogy is valid. Please explain where we are going wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: Corbyn, Labour and ISIS
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Dec 15 - 10:14 AM

I'll let you work that out, think on it a bit, it shouldn't be too difficult, even for you.

Subject: RE: BS: Corbyn, Labour and ISIS
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Dec 15 - 09:46 AM

Two words: How so?

Subject: RE: BS: Corbyn, Labour and ISIS
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Dec 15 - 09:40 AM

Three words: apples and oranges.

Subject: RE: BS: Corbyn, Labour and ISIS
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Dec 15 - 09:19 AM

But you can bomb those who are putting the ideology to practice.

One word: Vietnam.

Subject: RE: BS: Corbyn, Labour and ISIS
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Dec 15 - 07:56 AM

"you cant bomb an ideology"

But you can bomb those who are putting the ideology to practice.

Subject: RE: BS: Corbyn, Labour and ISIS
From: akenaton
Date: 05 Dec 15 - 06:49 AM

The problem is, that they will win no matter what we do.
All we can do is attempt a holding operation, as someone said "you cant bomb an ideology".
That is why we must be pragmatic, stop fighting amongst ourselves, jockeying for short term political advantage.
Russia has offered full support to a UN led coalition but we are knocking it back because of our stupid(or self serving)ideology.

They say we cannot join forces with a man who was killing his own people. He was fighting a brutal, fanatical armed insurgency, in the only way possible.....with everything at his disposal.

We are unwilling to supply ground troops, the so called FSA is untrustworthy.....we need to work out a strategy and that strategy must include Russia Iran and Assad.....We must unite against this brutal monster ISIS.....if only to gain a few more decades.

Subject: RE: BS: Corbyn, Labour and ISIS
From: DMcG
Date: 05 Dec 15 - 06:25 AM

What was it Guest said? Oh yes: Oh, you guys.....you're soooo cutting......lol.

Subject: RE: BS: Corbyn, Labour and ISIS
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 05 Dec 15 - 05:32 AM

Corbyn/Abbott white feather!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Corbyn, Labour and ISIS
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Dec 15 - 03:51 AM

Unity. All sat in eager anticipation of the communal pig's head..

🐷🍆

Subject: RE: BS: Corbyn, Labour and ISIS
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Dec 15 - 01:17 AM

Pity Unity Mitford isn't still around. She be right in there with that ragbag lot.

Subject: RE: BS: Corbyn, Labour and ISIS
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Dec 15 - 07:35 PM

Conservative members of parliament, standing candidates, party members, electioneers and the rest of the team, yes we acknowledge all participants.A collective unity Shaw, Unity is something Labour knows very little about so I understand your need to question.

Subject: RE: BS: Corbyn, Labour and ISIS
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Dec 15 - 06:31 PM

"We"?

Subject: RE: BS: Corbyn, Labour and ISIS
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Dec 15 - 04:45 PM

If you chaps you are Labour party supporters I respect that. I on the other hand am not. I support Conservative policies, I support the bombing of terrorists, I support welfare reform (If estate dwellers want flat screen televisions and six packs of lager, make them jolly well work to obtain them). I support financiers and talented senior management being rewarded and I wish you to acknowledge we won the election !

Subject: RE: BS: Corbyn, Labour and ISIS
From: GUEST,Dave
Date: 04 Dec 15 - 04:38 PM

Guest, if by David you mean Cameron, he is a total loser, and with him at the helm we can expect the black flag to be flying over Downing Street within six months.

Subject: RE: BS: Corbyn, Labour and ISIS
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Dec 15 - 04:22 PM

Oh, you guys.....you're soooo cutting......lol.

Subject: RE: BS: Corbyn, Labour and ISIS
From: DMcG
Date: 04 Dec 15 - 04:14 PM

Job done? Are you sure you didn't mean mission accomplished?

Subject: RE: BS: Corbyn, Labour and ISIS
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Dec 15 - 03:56 PM

The vote was YES the campaign is underway and David is a sterling leader. Job done.

Subject: RE: BS: Corbyn, Labour and ISIS
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Dec 15 - 03:56 PM

The vote was YES the campaign is underway and David is a sterling leader. Job done.

Subject: RE: BS: Corbyn, Labour and ISIS
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Dec 15 - 03:41 PM

Voting in the Tories and accepting a bombing campaign are not the same thing. There was no talk of a bombing campaign in the Tory manifesto. Last I heard, the country was roughly evenly divided on the issue. However, never let me place facts in the way of your fantasies.