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Tech: Interesting stuff (issues) about Windows 10
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: Backwoodsman Date: 16 Feb 16 - 04:24 PM No external backup? |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 16 Feb 16 - 10:32 PM I was over at the neighbor's again this evening, this time it managed to get set into Airplane Mode and wouldn't pay attention to the WiFi. It took several tries to finally get it to return to using the WiFi in her house. She asked if I've put Windows 10 in my computer yet (I installed hers a week ago - she wanted it sooner, but we waited so Microsoft could push out a major update.) "No, I'll wait till I've worked out the bugs on your computer first." My friend, the guinea pig. :) |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 25 Feb 16 - 11:29 PM This evening I heard the best reason for NOT going over to Win10 - it won't work with older versions of your Microsoft Office software. At least he hasn't found a way to make it do so, and he's quite tech savvy. The only thing he can find is the download Office360 that wants him to lease it every year, so for now he's doing without. It's too late for him to revert back, and he got rid of the older files to make space. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: Jeri Date: 25 Feb 16 - 11:49 PM It works with Office 2010. I'm getting aggravated by lengthy updates and lengthy boot-up time, and just having a shitload of "this is so cool - you just have to buy it" stuff, and a shitload of "guess where we stuck your stuff" stuff. I think I've managed to solve that problem, although I haven't fully transitioned to the MacBook. But seriously - I turn on the power and before I can count to 10, the thing has booted. Plus, it has Garage Band. Just starting to realize what amount of crap I've been putting up with. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: GUEST,EBarnacle Date: 26 Feb 16 - 12:30 AM I've also put Orifice 2010 on a machine I'm trying it with. Upgraded the machine directly from Win 8. Still working out a few kinks and I don't like what they did to the games but it seems reasonable in Win 7 mode. I really like the convenience of working with the Touch Screen instead of mousing around on a page. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: Backwoodsman Date: 26 Feb 16 - 12:35 AM I'm finding boot-up time is getting longer and longer. It doesn't generally bother me because my standard practice is to switch on then go and make a cup of tea, by which time it's up and running. I had a weird experience this week, when I found that Word had disapeared (like, it was no longer visible anywhere on the computer) and the rest of the Office 2013 modules wouldn't work because a file was apparently 'missing'. Everything was fine a week ago - WTF happened? I tried to uninstall Office 2013 - no dice. So, having an extended warranty, I called Dell and spent an afternoon on-line with them while they fixed it. Frustrating. My grouse with MacBooks is the outrageously-inflated price. It may not seem too bad to Americans, who get everything cheap, but in the UK a MacBook of similar spec to my Dell would have cost more than double the price of the Dell - £1,600 (2,400 USD!) for the MacBook against £700 (1,050 USD) for the Dell. That's a non-starter for me, no matter how wonderful MacBooks might be - my pension dictates it is so. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: GUEST,DaveRo Date: 26 Feb 16 - 03:36 AM Win10 is supposed to be compatible back to Office 2007, but not with 'Office Starter 2010'. It's incompatible with Office 2003 and XP. I thought that it checked compatibility as part if the upgrade but I don't remember. My wife uses LibreOffice which is free. Win 10 did reset the default picture viewer as mentioned by Bill D - which was annoying, but the new one works OK so I left it. I read that if you get adverts on the lock screen you can turn them off. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: GUEST,EBarnacle Date: 26 Feb 16 - 10:44 PM The Office 2010 I installed on the Win 10 machine was licensed as the Student Edition but it installed as the full edition. Go figure. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: Tattie Bogle Date: 27 Feb 16 - 04:27 AM Re Groove Music, I set my default player in the Settings menu to iTunes, but when I played a music recording sent by a friend, it played in Groove music. So I went back to Settings, which still showed that it was set to iTunes as default: so what's going on there? Perhaps my friend uses Groove music? (Don't know if he's on Wondows 10.) |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 19 Mar 16 - 06:32 PM My nextdoor neighbor has managed to get some kind of rootkit malware that will not be removed by the robust Internet security I put in place a month or two ago. And Malwarebytes sees it and removes PUP files but it's right back after the scan. So I'm doing something new that is found in Windows 8 and 10, the System Refresh. We tried System Restore to a date a month ago, but it isn't working, the rootkit is blocking the completion of that operation. So by using refresh (or the totally draconian reset) you re-write clean Windows files over the corrupt set. Refresh leaves data in place. It takes a while, she'll call when it finishes running. Then we'll see what it looks like. I'll have to reload Chrome and Kaspersky and such. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: kendall Date: 19 Mar 16 - 06:38 PM I hated windows 10 for a time, but once I got used to it I find it easier than 7 was. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: Joe Offer Date: 19 Mar 16 - 08:09 PM At the women's center where I do volunteer maintenance work, I have some staff members who are reluctant to convert to Windows 10, and some upgraded to Win 10 without quite knowing how they did it. Am I correct in thinking that most will be semi-automatically upgraded to Win 10? I'd prefer to have all our computers on the same operating system, but I have some reluctant holdouts. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: EBarnacle Date: 19 Mar 16 - 08:30 PM Lady Hillary and I have one laptop which we upgraded from Win 8 to Win 10. So far, I am not impressed. Except for the touch screen feature, this upgrade does not work as well as Win 7. The on/off button does not work at all and the search button also does not get any response. To get on line, I have to press the GUI that looks like a speaker, click on "What is AcerCloud" and then use the opened tab to access the internet. This is no way to run an airline, folks. Based on this experience we are not likely to "upgrade" our non-touchscreen machines to Win 10. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: Joe Offer Date: 20 Mar 16 - 12:30 AM EBarnacle, right next to the "Start" button icon, you should find a box marked "search the Web and Windows." Search for "power settings." If you look around a bit on what comes up, you should come up with a link titled "choose what the power switch should do" - and then make your choice. It has taken me some time to learn the ins and outs. I guess it helps that I have to handle the problems of some twenty computers. I get plenty of experience. But for me, Windows 10 works fine, and it has given new life to some of our old computers. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: GUEST,DaveRo Date: 20 Mar 16 - 02:50 AM Joe Offer wrote: Am I correct in thinking that most will be semi-automatically upgraded to Win 10?It's a 'recommended update' so unless they do something to actively stop it, or have all updates turned off, then I think so. I would wonder what they have done to prevent it so far? I would also suggest to them that it would be better to do it at a time of their choice when you're available to help. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: Backwoodsman Date: 20 Mar 16 - 02:56 AM Three weeks ago I had an issue with MS Office 2013 on my Dell (Win 10) that necessitated their support guy to take control of my PC and make the fix (I have a four year warranty with support). While trying to make the fix, he commented that my machine was very slow for an i7 processor (like taking ten minutes for a reboot!) and that he suspected malware. He ran Malwarebytes with no luck, and tried a few other things (which I didn't understand). Eventually, he asked me to back up my settings and data, and said he'd call me the next day to do a clean install of 8.1 and clean upgrade to 10. The clean installs went fine, and I spent the next couple of evenings reloading my settings and data, and re-installing my other software...MS Office 2013, Reaper, Audacity, Photoshop, yadda yadda. The result is a PC that runs like lightning, and everything is working exactly as it should. During our conversations the Dell guy told me that they do not recommend the standard upgrade, which often results in the kinds of problems that people are relating above, but that they always recommend a clean upgrade, which invariably produces good results. Scary stuff, but well worth the effort, AFAIC. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: GUEST,DaveRo Date: 20 Mar 16 - 03:58 AM I wonder why he re-did the Win 8 to Win 10 upgrade? You can clean-install Win 10 on top of an upgraded system. I found Win 10 was slower than Win 7 after upgrade, but speeded up a lot after a while. (I assumed that this was after the one-month period when you can revert - but that's only a guess.) It's now quicker than Win 7 was. If it were actually my machine I'd clean install too. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: Backwoodsman Date: 20 Mar 16 - 05:00 AM I think He was concerned that **something somewhere** was corrupted, and therefore he wanted to flatten the system and start again with a completely clean system. The machine was originally built and supplied by Dell with 8.1, so I'm guessing that stripping everything out and rebuilding the system from ground upwards was considered the 'safest' way to cure whatever had gone wrong. It certainly seems to have worked. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker Date: 20 Mar 16 - 09:42 AM Re my serious problems updating a brand new out of the box unused Lenovo Win 8.1 PC... User groups are reporting that similar & other Lenovos are impossible to update successfully to Win 10 until the Bios Chip has been flash updated...??? |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker Date: 20 Mar 16 - 09:44 AM amended - "Bios Chip firmware has been flash updated...???" |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 20 Mar 16 - 10:07 AM I see messages from Sony about updating before I upgrade to Win10 on my Vaio laptop. They did the same thing before the upgrade from 8.0 to 8.1. I'm going to go ahead and upgrade the laptop, first, and figure out the bugs before approaching my office computer. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: GUEST,DaveRo Date: 20 Mar 16 - 10:09 AM It's not difficult to update the BIOS. But it's important to get the update for the correct model. THIS is for an E50-00 - but there are other E50s. To see what's involved, download the 'BIOS Update Readme' document. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: gnu Date: 20 Mar 16 - 11:17 AM Re PCs being upgraded and the user didn't know how it was done... if you are set to automatically receive and install (recommended settind), it will happen. If you are set to be notified that updates are available or choose to check updates manually and view them, you will see under Optional Updates that W10 has been preselected for you by M$. Rather nice of them, eh? I always check. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: Tattie Bogle Date: 21 Mar 16 - 04:51 PM When I was still on Windows 7 I kept getting pop-up messages that my free upgrade to Windows 10 was available: it invited me to click for more info: however, when I did this, it tried to start downloading Windows 10: sneaky or what? Maybe explains how some others suddenly found they'd got it without really asking for it. Eventually, I chose my time and took it, but not yet convinced that it's an improvement! |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 21 Mar 16 - 06:45 PM You like Windows 10? How about doing a time warp to WIN98? This little "Raspberry Pi" is a neophyte controllers wet dream come true. Most of have underused screens, keyboards, a plethora of mice. For 35 USD this tiny module ... offers a "Pandora's Box" of opportunity....and... as it is manufacturered in Wales...you support the stumbling UK economy Sincerely, Gargoyle If it were not for socialism....the UK might be the world's most powerful economy. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: GUEST,Sol Date: 22 Mar 16 - 06:53 AM I got W10 "without asking for it" (although I could have inadvertently pressed a button to be put in the queue for the download). My webcam doesn't work now but otherwise W10 seems fine. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 22 Mar 16 - 08:05 AM There was a big update this week, my laptop looks to be perched on the edge of having Win10 installed with or without my participation. I need to either get rid of those updates or be prepared to tell it what I don't want - the "typical" install takes the computer completely into Microsoft's control with a MS email, logon, and Cortana and it's ilk in control, search via Bing, etc. You have to do a custom install and still you need to remove a lot of bloat MS adds. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: EBarnacle Date: 24 Mar 16 - 08:54 PM Joe, the Search the web and Windows button is also dead [or anaesthetized]. I have been trying various workarounds with no luck. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: EBarnacle Date: 20 Apr 16 - 02:26 PM After much Sturm und Drang I consulted with a friend who knows more than I. We rescued the Win 10 key just in case and did a complete, clean reinstall. It seems to be working as it should have from the beginning. Only time will tell. It even installed Microsoft Edge on the Taskbar. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: GUEST, ^*^ Date: 20 Apr 16 - 02:33 PM Condolences on Edge - you're probably stuck with Bing for everything until you reset your preferences. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: EBarnacle Date: 20 Apr 16 - 11:29 PM Let's see how it acts compared to Explorer. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: Crane Driver Date: 21 Apr 16 - 07:09 AM Well, FWIW, I let the Windoze 10 update go through a couple of months ago, to see how it works, and I've not had any problems so far. I'm using MS Office 2003 without problems, I've still got Media Player and Movie Maker here, all my old freeware photo manipulation program(me)s still work, the only thing I had trouble with was Acrobat Reader, so I replaced it with a Freeware .pdf reader which works fine. Seems W10 has two modes, Desktop which works much like W7, and Tablet which works much like W8. On my desktop, it reasonably enough works in Desktop mode, but on the laptop, which is a touch-screen jobbie, it kept trying to switch to Tablet mode til we found how to tell it not to. (Don't ask, I can't remember now. At least I know it can be done, so I'll find it again if I need to). I use Firefox as my browser and third party email progs, so I don't know about MS's versions - my old progs work as normal and most of the time I could still be on W7 for most of the things I do. So, no problems. Oh, and I also use IObit's Advanced System Care, which turns off a lot of the insecurities and reporting functions, and also prevents downloads from changing my default homepage and search engine, which seems like a Good Thing. I'm sure all of these things have their downsides, but hey - we're getting a hell of a lot of function for 'free'. If you're not paying for the product, you ARE the product. Andrew |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 21 Apr 16 - 09:01 AM This is helpful, thanks Andrew. My neighbor has a laptop that can act like a tablet and it periodically offers to go into tablet mode, something she doesn't handle well. There is an icon in the lower right of the touch screen, or when you swipe from the lower right from the edge, it appears, and you can resume the laptop mode. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: JHW Date: 21 Apr 16 - 02:48 PM Tried tablet mode - have you tried to swallow one of those things? Airplane mode was fine though - it took off outa the window and I've never seen it since... |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 27 Apr 16 - 07:57 PM I downloaded the software that is at the equivalent level of the OS that was in my machine. I had purchased a laptop with some mild version of Win 8 and purchased the full-octane version at work (at universities we get software at a deep discount). Upgraded to the heavy duty Win8, then Win 8.1 came along and I did that upgrade. I figured out more or less how to use it, but there was a crash a while back and the Microsoft tech in India couldn't get the 64bit version to operate so loaded and ran the 32bit version. My machine was crammed full of old OS files by this time and since it is a SSD device it didn't have that much room to begin with. I had to uninstall a few things and then I did the Win 10 upgrade. Once I determined it was working I simply cleaned the disk and used the appropriate button to remove the old OS files. While I was at it I compressed the contents of the disk, so I've cleared a lot out one way or another. If I do this on the desktop (it runs Win7, and runs very well, also the ultimate version) I won't bail on the old software in a hurry. The upgrade and the clearing of old OS didn't take more than a couple of hours, but the compression took many hours. Overnight and into this afternoon. |
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Subject: Tech: Possible Micr$oft Office update issue From: Mr Red Date: 10 May 16 - 09:00 AM Just spotted a problem with my webpages, sorted now. I generate HTML in VBA from a spreadsheet. The diagnosis was a change in the behaviour of Excel (who knows what else) and the solution was to include re-calculates (aka F9) at strategic points in my software. Because macros can flip between pages and spreadsheets you would see a lot of flashing which even for non-epileptics is disconcerting so I switch off window refresh. This has sufficed for 15 years until about a day ago. Maybe the second round of updates today has put the function back to what it was. Who knows? I sorted the problem before Micro$oft so my solution stays where it is! The message is - if things start becoming odd - hit F9. |
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Subject: Tech: Sound issues with Windows 10? From: Sean Belt Date: 10 May 16 - 10:28 AM I upgraded my computer to Windows 10 (a mistake if I may say so) and ever since the sound coming through my speakers and headphones have been buzzing and glitching. I'm also having the same symptoms when digitizing LPs using a turntable plugged into the USB port. I've looked online for solutions, but none have worked so far. I'm running Conexant Smartaudio HD and the driver is current for my machine (Toshiba Satellite C655). Anyone having similar issues? Any solutions beyond "Buy a new machine"? |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 10 May 16 - 10:33 AM Did you look to see what features of the computer itself might not work with the new OS? For example, I have a Sony Vaio and they put out an alert about certain models that might not have use of some devices (or cards) with Win10. There is also a known issue with older software. You may need to uninstall and reinstall the software (Smartaudio HD) or see if there is an updated version of it. You have 30 days to decide to keep Win 10 or revert back, so do all of your testing now and decide to keep it or not. After 30 days you can't go back. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 10 May 16 - 10:40 AM Mr. Red, your software problem was moved over here because of all of the operating system questions coming up with the Win OS versions updating to 10. It may have been precipitate - what is the OS you are using, and what changes have you made lately? |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Interesting stuff (issues) about Windows 10 From: DaveRo Date: 10 May 16 - 11:06 AM Sean Belt wrote: I'm running Conexant Smartaudio HD and the driver is current for my machine (Toshiba Satellite C655).Googling "Conexant Smartaudio HD windows 10" turns up similar if not identical problem. One person solved it by using his old Toshiba Satellite driver - see here |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Interesting stuff (issues) about Windows 10 From: Mr Red Date: 10 May 16 - 11:49 AM Amce - Win 7, Office 2003 - not related to Win 10 per se, but rolling updates IMNSHO |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Interesting stuff (issues) about Windows 10 From: GUEST Date: 10 May 16 - 12:02 PM Microsoft ended support for Office 2003 on April 8, 2014. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Interesting stuff (issues) about Windows 10 From: GUEST, ^*^ Date: 12 May 16 - 02:15 PM http://www.cnet.com/how-to/5-reasons-to-upgrade-to-windows-10-right-now/ You can change your mind Good to know. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Interesting stuff (issues) about Windows 10 From: Steve Shaw Date: 12 May 16 - 06:46 PM I stuck my Office 2002 CD-ROMS in my Windows 10 laptop and it worked. I have Word and I don't pay. I'd bought a new laptop with Windows 8 three years ago, took one look at all those incomprehensible tiles and put the bloody thing away until last month. My old, venerable Vista laptop churns valiantly on. Once I knew that Windows 10 was going to cost me money after July, I thought I'd better bite the bullet. The upgrade from 8, via 8.1 first, was painless. Everything works, it was easy to install free Avast, my Audio Cleaning Lab works, it's great. And, wonder of wonders, the battery on the Samsung laptop that had lain derelict for three years is as good as new. All I have to do now is teach meself how to use Windows 10. It looks friendly to me. What's not to like? 🙂 |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Interesting stuff (issues) about Windows 10 From: GUEST,EBarnacle Date: 12 May 16 - 10:27 PM Just did another clean install on the Win 10 machine. Now I get to live through all the updates and reinstall Avast, Glary and Malwarebytes, as well as my copy of Office 2010. It's Wunnaful. Next time, the machine will get Windows 7. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Interesting stuff (issues) about Windows 10 From: Bill D Date: 13 May 16 - 11:15 AM for those who care to explore controlling Win10 installations https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.comp.freeware/0Sm1ySiA_qw read as much as you can take in, but (scroll down to VanguardLH for a LONG answer & suggestions) alt.comp.freeware is where I find most of my information on free software |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Interesting stuff (issues) about Windows 10 From: punkfolkrocker Date: 13 May 16 - 12:04 PM The part of me that like's getting expensive stuff for free is still indecisive at the impending deadline, but the part of me that wasted the best part of a week trying to repair a brand new PC which was ruined by installing Win 10 is remaining very wary... Even after reverting back to Win 8.1 and using the onboard Lenovo '1 click' rescue to mop up remaining problems, it still has corrupt system files which Lenovo phone service technician says "is probably the best I can expect due to compatibility problems with the OEM system and registration key coded on the Bios chip and Win 10". I've about 6 windows devices that are eligible for Win 10, and still wondering which ones to risk if I can find the time before it's too late to 'benefit' from the free 'upgrade'...??? |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Interesting stuff (issues) about Windows 10 From: Steve Shaw Date: 13 May 16 - 12:49 PM Well I was a fool who rushed in where angels like pfr fear to tread, and I got away with it... |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Interesting stuff (issues) about Windows 10 From: punkfolkrocker Date: 13 May 16 - 01:01 PM It's annoying, because I really wanted it to work and like it, and bought the PC at bargain price specifically for the purpose.. My initial feelings after cautious installation and making it look as much like XP as possible, was it aint too bad.. Then the problems started.... 😬 Reading around google, it looks like a Lenovo systems incompatibility, affecting more than my one product... |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Interesting stuff (issues) about Windows 10 From: DaveRo Date: 13 May 16 - 01:38 PM Did you consider updating the BIOS from the link I gave? |
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