BS: Demise of the Labour Party

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Jul 16 - 08:51 AM

Er, it wasn't intended and I think one apology should be enough. You haven't apologised yet for calling me a Jew-hater, and even up to yesterday you were still trying to pretend it wasn't you. I suggest to you that you find out a little about Ms Chakrabarti before impugning her integrity by accusing her of a whitewash. In terms of honesty, fair-mindedness, thoroughness and straightforwardness she knocks cheating little worms like you into a cocked hat.

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 02 Jul 16 - 09:02 AM

Bobad id [sic] probably the most vitriolic hate-filled poster on this forum

Carroll is the most racist, anti-Semitic, diarrhea spewing poster on this forum.

See how easy it is to post shit about others on the internet Carroll. Keep it up, I'll match you one for one.

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 02 Jul 16 - 09:02 AM

Bobad id [sic] probably the most vitriolic hate-filled poster on this forum

Carroll is the most racist, anti-Semitic, diarrhea spewing poster on this forum.

See how easy it is to post shit about others on the internet Carroll. Keep it up, I'll match you one for one.

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Jul 16 - 11:25 AM

"Carroll is the most racist, anti-Semitic"
Once more you implicate the Jewish People in Israeli terrorism
Doesn't come any more Antisemitic that that - and yas - I do feel hatred towards Antisemites.
Happy donate a large sum of money to any organisation you care to name if you can produce one example of racism in any of my posts though
Won't stop you making the claim though, cowards have no problems in hurling abuse anonymously from a distance
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 02 Jul 16 - 11:31 AM

openly extremist Fascist and racist sources

Lol....read any source that doesn't conform to Carroll's fixed ideology especially if it supports Israel which which makes it, by definition, Fascist, extremist and racist according to him.

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Jul 16 - 11:36 AM

Tell you what, Jim. I've been threatened with suspension twice by a mod for a damn sight less than what he's doing. Seems that the yanks will defend free speech to the death, no matter how hateful. Unless it's free speech about r*******, of course.

I should like to suggest that we completely ignore him from this point on. We've got better things to do than argue fruitlessly with a cheating, lying, bigoted coward. Just post "troll". Maybe he'll just wither away. Or should that be whither away. Jesus, I'm confused. 😂

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 02 Jul 16 - 12:05 PM

Quiz time

Someone who doesn't share Shaw's opinion on any matter and is not afraid to challenge him on it is:

A. A bigot
B. A coward
C. A religious nutter
D. An Islamophobe
E. A troll
F. All of the above

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 02 Jul 16 - 12:29 PM

Same old spew, Boo. Boring.

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 02 Jul 16 - 12:30 PM

Bobad - Steve & Jim, even Ake, as much as I can know, like, or agree with, have convinced me they are substantially real life sincere genuine people...

YOU, are literally a digital non-entity..
just random provocative negative words that I can choose to ignore or respond to, depending on my mood and If I think I might learn a little from that interaction....

Keith & MGM.. bless 'em... well they're our traditional British elder reactionary eccentrics... 😜

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: akenaton
Date: 02 Jul 16 - 01:45 PM

Steve the only way to silence Bobad is to address the points he makes.
Name calling or ignoring him just makes you look foolish, or unable to defend your position.

What you are doing is attempted intimidation, this is a free debating forum and as far as I can see Bobad has broken no rules.

Many members have occasionally logged out and posted as guest...for many reasons.....it is not a capital offence and what you are attempting, group intimidation, is many times worse.

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Jul 16 - 02:38 PM

Name calling? Either you don't read threads or you've got a bloody short memory! 😂😂😂

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 02 Jul 16 - 05:06 PM

the only way to silence Bobad is to address the points he makes.

Not so. The "points" he makes are bigoted bullshit and the only result of trying to engage him is to produce an even greater spew of bullshit.

Might as well "debate" a Holocaust denier.

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 02 Jul 16 - 05:25 PM

We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.

Elie Wiesel 1928-2016 RIP

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 02 Jul 16 - 05:36 PM

Mr. Wiesel (RIP indeed!) never recommended taking the WRONG side, Boo. Nor did he recommend unthinking bigotry.

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 02 Jul 16 - 05:45 PM

Sorry, Boo - I stand corrected. Mr Wiesel DID, repeatedly, advocate taking the wrong side, viz:

The Tragedy of Elie Wiesel: Why does such a great man keep apologizing for a government that betrays his ideals?
http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.643037

NY Times Runs Ad From Holocaust Survivors Condemning Israel, Attacking Elie Wiesel
http://observer.com/2014/08/ny-times-runs-ad-from-holocaust-survivors-condemning-israel-attacking-elie-wiesel/

A Response to Elie Wiesel
http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/09/09/a-response-to-elie-wiesel/

Now, of course, all those Jewish folks, above, are filthy anti-semites in your book, right?

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 02 Jul 16 - 05:48 PM

Nor did he recommend unthinking bigotry.

The only bigotry I see here comes from folks like you and your fellow travelers but keep trying to smear others with your ad-hominems - it shows you for what you are.

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 02 Jul 16 - 05:51 PM

Boo: see 02 Jul 16 - 05:45 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 02 Jul 16 - 05:58 PM

I stand corrected. Mr Wiesel DID, repeatedly, advocate taking the wrong side, viz:

Now, of course, all those Jewish folks, above, are filthy anti-semites in your book, right?

Greg frantically Googling Jews opposed to Elie Wiesel to justify his bigotry......lol.

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 02 Jul 16 - 06:24 PM

AKE,   RE:02 Jul 16 - 05:06 PM

See above. Case in point. BeardedBoo strikes again. Same old worthless shit.

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 02 Jul 16 - 06:28 PM

And now, hopefully, back to the actual subject/topic of this thread before it was hijacked and pissed upon by BeardedBoo.

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Jul 16 - 06:39 PM

I doubt whether he is old enough to have a beard. He certainly isn't man enough, that's for sure. Greg, while he's here, the thread is dead. I suppose I could always attract a moderator to it, just to get them to see what this eejit is up to, but I'd have mention religion to achieve that. 😂😂😂

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 02 Jul 16 - 07:06 PM

Steve, "Bearded" is just homage to another fourteen-karat 13-year-old effing idiot who, thanks be to God (OOOPS! Religion - mea culpa!) hasn't been posting of late.

Not meant to be taken literally.   ;>)

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Jul 16 - 08:16 PM

I love "homage" there, Greg, but I can't help feeling that "big girl's blousage" might be more appropriate! 😂😂😂

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Jul 16 - 04:35 AM

"Fascist, extremist and racist according to him."
I named your sources - Jihad Watch', from which you took one of the largest cut-'n-pastes ever made to their forum) is an openly Islamophobic site which targets Muslims and their religion
Evern 'The White Supremist's, best friends wouldn't describe it as anything but fascist.
Others you have used are equally extremist by nature - each time I have pointed them out I have linked to their policy.
"are filthy anti-semites in your book, right? "
Anybody who implicates The Jewish People with Israeli war crimes and atrocities is a filthy antisemite - every time you describe criticism of Israel as "antisemitic" you expose yourself as an antisemite - you offer very little else here, making you an extreme antisemite.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 03 Jul 16 - 07:36 AM

Of course when you can't challenge the facts attack the messenger, that's the sure way to show you've lost the debate.

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Jul 16 - 08:01 AM

"Of course when you can't challenge the facts attack the messenger"
I have never done anything else but challenge your distorted and highly prejudiced facts and have put up masses of facts of my own which you have even refused to read, let alone respond to - that's balanced argument as you appear to see it apparently.
You are the most cowardly, dishonest and insulting poster to this site - you answer nohthing and you spit vitriolic abuse at anybody who disagrees with you - all behind anonymity and from the comfort of a keyboard.
Not a particularly good representative of your cause, but the way things are going, a fairly typical one
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Jul 16 - 04:09 AM

Any views on the Corbyn issue?
The PLP rejects him, but he would probably win a members' vote so where do they go?

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 04 Jul 16 - 05:18 AM

Oh dear, some people on here are going to be upset.


It seems that the "nice Mr Farage" is standing down from leading his party.


Yet another one to leave a sinking ship.

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Jul 16 - 06:15 AM

"Any views on the Corbyn issue?"
Never miss a chance to take a pop, do you Keith?
Having failed miserably to prove that Labour is riddled with Antisemites, you try a backdoor approach.
How about a thread on the fact that the diabolical decision has caused the fall of a Prime Minister and others and has led to a wonderfully divisive leadership contest?
The Labour right have been planning to get rid of Corbyn since he was elected.
His performance during the referendum is just another phase in that campaign
COUP
Britain now desperately needs a change off policy - not more of the same from the right
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: akenaton
Date: 04 Jul 16 - 06:53 AM

Not all Raggytash, Mr Farage has achieved his objective and subsequently has become a target for all sorts of abuse, he obviously feels that he is a liability to the Party amongst ex Labour voters.

Apparently he is going into a career as International advisor to the anti establishment movement.

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 04 Jul 16 - 07:09 AM

Well if his objective was to sell the country down the river and then bugger off leaving other people to pick up the mess left behind you're right, he did achieve his objective.

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: akenaton
Date: 04 Jul 16 - 07:27 AM

Mr Farage would have been allowed no say in how the exit is brought forward He would have to be in government to be considered and the stupid bastards all hate him anyway.

Without Mr Farage there would have been no Brexit, we would have been ultimately forced into the Eurozone and we would have ended up as a region of the United States of Europe.

Three cheers for Mr Farage, he took them all on single handed and gave them a whupping.

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 04 Jul 16 - 07:37 AM

Tell that to all the people who will lose jobs in the next few years. Tell that to those who will have their job security undermined.
Tell that to those with capital who have seen it's value diminished even in the last few days. Tell that to those who won't be able to avoid foreign goods because the exchange rate has just put 8% plus on the cost of imports.

Yes I can see everyone is going to win.

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 04 Jul 16 - 07:39 AM

Avoid !! Bugger should read afford.

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Jul 16 - 07:41 AM

Any views on the Corbyn issue?
The PLP rejects him, but he would probably win a members' vote so where do they go?

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 04 Jul 16 - 08:16 AM

I see that the "nice Mr Farage" is to stay on as an MEP for another two years pocketing in the region of 190,000 euro.

Just how much did he claim in expenses??

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 Jul 16 - 09:45 AM

and [Farage} subsequently has become a target for all sorts of abuse

And every bit of that abuse well deserved.

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 04 Jul 16 - 10:08 AM

"Any views on the Corbyn issue?
The PLP rejects him, but he would probably win a members' vote so where do they go?"


Keith - Now that Farage is retiring to his villa in the South of France,
the way is clear for the Labour PLP to split off and join their rightful home in UKIP,
where Angela Seagull will contest UKIP's one and only MP for Leadership...

.. and they all lived happily ever after...... 😘

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Jul 16 - 12:29 PM

A breakaway by the Plp is a real possibility.
Why make a joke of it?
Is it not an existential threat to Labour as we know it?
Has it ever faced a graver threat?

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 04 Jul 16 - 12:43 PM

The original meaning of the word 'existential' is under existential threat....

I award "existential threat" twattish buzzword of the year 2016... 🏆

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 04 Jul 16 - 03:55 PM

Just how much did that "nice Mr Farage" claim in expenses?

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Jul 16 - 05:05 PM

"Is it not an existential threat to Labour as we know it?"
It's an attempted coup by the right
They should learn from the Irish Labour Party who have compromised themselves out of existence leaving the way clear for genuine left parties to build up support
Little point of having main parties with identical policies as is happening in Britain
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 Jul 16 - 05:14 PM

Farage is basically The Trumpshit with a British accent.

No wonder Ake & The Professor adore him.

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Jul 16 - 04:00 AM

BBC 42 minutes ago,
"But addressing a meeting of the Parliamentary Labour Party on Monday evening, Mr Watson(elected deputy leader) said he had told Mr Corbyn he needed the support of his MPs, and not just party members, if he wanted to stay in post."

He is not going to get the support of the MPs, so what next?
If he does not step down there will be a leadership challenge, but he may win again, so what then?

No view?
No opinion?
I thought you cared about the party!

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 05 Jul 16 - 04:10 AM

Just how much has that "nice Mr Farage" claimed in expenses from the EU.

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Jul 16 - 05:14 AM

Rag, who cares?

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: Stu
Date: 05 Jul 16 - 05:24 AM

"Rag, who cares?"

I do. Some of that's my effing money.

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Jul 16 - 08:29 AM

Plp meeting yesterday,
Former shadow minister Ian Lucas declared at one point that it was time to retrieve Labour from 'Marxist-Leninists' around Corbyn. He said: "We want our party back!"

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 05 Jul 16 - 08:59 AM

How much does that "nice Mr Farage" earn as an MEP

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Jul 16 - 09:06 AM

"We want our party back!"
So do we from the neo Tories who took it off us under Blair
"I thought you cared about the party!"
We do - we don't care about your manipulations of what's happening
You've already bombed at trying to prove that Labour if full of Antisemites - why not accept the fact that your attitude is no longer acceptable
The world is far too full of inarticulate right wingers already
Jim Carroll