BS: Mexican horror

Subject: BS: Mexican horror
From: Jack Campin
Date: 28 Jun 16 - 09:18 PM

Most of this was news to me:

http://m.imgur.com/gallery/yyu5p

Whereas it is news when Trump talks about building his wall. How often does the US media ever report on what's the other side of it?

Subject: RE: BS: Mexican horror
From: Joe Offer
Date: 28 Jun 16 - 10:05 PM

I think it's fairly well-known in the US, at least in California. The situation in Mexico has been very bad for a long time. That's one othe reasons for the immigration Trump wants to stop.

Subject: RE: BS: Mexican horror
From: gnu
Date: 29 Jun 16 - 11:24 AM

Canada is about to waive visa requirements for Mexicans.

Subject: RE: BS: Mexican horror
From: Jack Campin
Date: 29 Jun 16 - 11:49 AM

Well that's going a make a lot of difference, I don't think.

Their country has been comprehensively fucked up by the US, with worse in store. Making it a bit easier for the few people who can afford the airfare to get out of it isn't exactly addressing the root of the problem.

Subject: RE: BS: Mexican horror
From: gnu
Date: 29 Jun 16 - 02:27 PM

Oh fer fuck sake. That's why I haven't posted in a long while. It will be longer next time. Piss off.

Subject: RE: BS: Mexican horror
From: olddude
Date: 29 Jun 16 - 02:57 PM

What is better is to have an easier way for people to legally come in vetted and forget f__k walls

Subject: RE: BS: Mexican horror
From: Joe_F
Date: 29 Jun 16 - 06:15 PM

Why is the US needed to fuck up a country when it is alreay full of *peasants*? (Don't bother to tell me I am Blaming the Victim; I am already a dissenter from that stultifying taboo.)

Subject: RE: BS: Mexican horror
From: Stim
Date: 29 Jun 16 - 06:49 PM

The Mexican economy is doing pretty well. Unemployment is relatively low, it's the world's 15th largest economy, has a lot of growth in areas like aerospace, automotive, energy, electronics, and has a growing private investment sector.   In fact, the economy is doing well enough that a lot of the Mexicans who have come to the US to work are going back home, because of the job growth there.

More Mexican workers leave the US each year than come here, which will result in labor shortages.

There is a lot of corruption, a ridiculous amount of violent crime, and a great gap between rich and poor, particularly in rural areas. It is worth noting that possession of arms by civilians is illegal in Mexico, and it seems to prove the much reviled aphorism that "When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns."

Also worth noting, though the US has meddled excessively in Mexican affairs, the British actually have invaded and occupied Mexican territory more recently than we have.

1861, Mexican President Benito Juarez suspended Mexico's interest payments to its creditors in France, Spain and the UK. This act angered the three nations and in October 1861 the Convention of London was signed by the three nations who then sen joint navy ships to In December 1861 and took the port of Veracruz and nearby towns in a effort to force repayment.

Subject: RE: BS: Mexican horror
From: Stim
Date: 29 Jun 16 - 06:56 PM

I mention all this, not to make any specific point, but because Mexico is generally ignored in our discussions, and it deserves more.

Subject: RE: BS: Mexican horror
From: Jack Campin
Date: 29 Jun 16 - 07:32 PM

Exactly. What I had in mind was that it's not that much more pleasant a place to live in than Syria, with similar numbers of people left with no options but to get out no matter what it costs, and you'd expect it to feature in the same way in public awareness in the US as Syria does here. But it seems it doesn't.

Subject: RE: BS: Mexican horror
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 Jun 16 - 09:31 PM

More Mexican workers leave the US each year than come here,

Because all the U.S. corporations that have re-located there destroying U.S. jobs don't pay their Mexican workers shit, perhaps?

Subject: RE: BS: Mexican horror
From: Stim
Date: 01 Jul 16 - 12:31 AM

It's not exactly like that, Jack. Mexico is a much more pleasant place to live than Syria, at least as Syria is right now(in former times, it would have been an interesting discussion). A lot of Americans(well, US citizens-Mexicans are Americans, too) have moved to Mexico-at least a million, because the cost of living is much lower and there are many beautiful places to live. Plus the lifestyle is not viciously competitive, and people are generally more relaxed and friendly.

The idea that there are huge numbers of Mexicans who have no alternative but to get out is not exactly accurate, however there are a lot of areas, most notably near the US border, where violence related to drug trafficking is a major issue.

Worth noting that, if not for the huge market for illegal drugs in the US, the drug cartels would not exist, which, to me, at least, is a greater concern than outsourcing of manufacturing.

Subject: RE: BS: Mexican horror
From: Greg F.
Date: 01 Jul 16 - 09:34 AM

Worth noting that, if not for the huge market for illegal drugs in the US, the drug cartels would not exist

Amen to that.