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Subject: BS: Trump - Again From: Raggytash Date: 31 Jul 16 - 04:16 PM Will the latest story regarding Trump have any bearing on his hopes to be voted in as President of the USA. Trump |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again From: Donuel Date: 31 Jul 16 - 04:31 PM no You would be asking racists to discriminate between the object of their hate and another object of their hate Donnie would have to pull a Cesar. " I am more popular, powerful and effective than Jesus!!!!!!!" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again From: Greg F. Date: 31 Jul 16 - 05:59 PM More importantly, you would be asking a legion of assholes several million strong to differentiate between fantasy bullshit and reality. Good luck with that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again From: Steve Shaw Date: 31 Jul 16 - 07:36 PM Seems to me that the more obnoxious he gets the more popular he gets. Bloody weird country you've got there! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again From: Joe Offer Date: 31 Jul 16 - 08:10 PM Raggytash linked to a BBC story about the parents of a Muslim U.S. soldier. The parents gave a moving speech at the Democratic National Convention. The caption from a related story was:
Trump thinks he can win the election by encouraging Americans to be afraid of Muslims. I sure hope he's wrong. I think many Americans don't know any Muslims and are indeed afraid. I hope they're not powerful enough to win the election, but I guess one never knows. If a third-party candidate enters the race, that would be a big advantage to Trump. If it's just Trump against Clinton, I think Clinton will win easily. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again From: Greg F. Date: 31 Jul 16 - 08:20 PM Trump thinks he can win the election by encouraging Americans to be afraid of Muslims No, Joe- The Trumpshit thinks he can win by demonizing Muslims, Blacks, "Liberals",women and a whole litany of others he chooses to spout hate about. And, unfortunately, he's probably right. I think Clinton will win easily. Unh Hunh. You would do well to heed our old friend H. L. Mencken: "The men American people admire most extravagantly are the most daring liars; the men they detest most violently are those who try and tell them the truth." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again From: Joe Offer Date: 31 Jul 16 - 08:27 PM Well, Greg, what can I say? I'm still an optimist. And rather than seeing the country elect Clinton because they're afraid of Trump, I hope they elect her because she'll be a good President. Given half a chance, I think she'll be an excellent President. And I'm hoping she will nominate Barack Obama to the Supreme Court. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again From: Greg F. Date: 31 Jul 16 - 09:13 PM Well, Greg, what can I say? I'm still an optimist. Nothing necessarily wrong with that, Joe - but in most cases I think you'll find that its more practical to be a realist. And if the "the country" ISN'T afraid of The Trumpshit and the havoc he would wreak as president then its very seriosly fucked. Do recall that - as has been proven many times over before now - : "No one in this world, so far as I know — and I have researched the records for years, and employed agents to help me — has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. Nor has anyone ever lost public office thereby." -- H. L. Mencken |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again From: Bev and Jerry Date: 31 Jul 16 - 11:53 PM Well, here's what they think of Trump in a pub in Dublin: TrumP Bev and Jerry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again From: Donuel Date: 01 Aug 16 - 12:22 AM A 1.5% margin is not winning easily. I remained skeptical of a Barack victory until election day I do not see an advantage in a scenario of "nothing to see here folks, go back to your homes and watch SpongeBob". For some people the election boils down to tweedle tweet vs. Tweedle e mail. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again From: Joe Offer Date: 01 Aug 16 - 12:40 AM A Trump urinal? Bev, and Jerry, I don't know what to say. Just thinking about Trump staring at me from that angle.... I may never pee again. Oh, the inhumanity of it all! -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again From: Stu Date: 01 Aug 16 - 03:33 AM "And if the "the country" ISN'T afraid of The Trumpshit and the havoc he would wreak as president then its very seriosly fucked." But it is seriously fucked, as my American friends tell me. Without an adequate welfare state the poor suffer horribly, unable to afford adequate healthcare and with people forced to work until they die as they have no provision for retirement. Coupled with the fact the political system is totally inaccessible to people without money, with the fact the Presidential system seems to promote political dynasties over genuine merit (more like ancient Rome than a modern, progressive state) and the fact that inequality on so many levels is a way of life for people who signed up for The American Dream. Sanders understood this but never stood a chance of getting the nomination; the Clinton dynasty is way too powerful to shift with mere political integrity and progressive policies. People will want to give the establishment a bloody nose and if they only way they can do this is by electing a person that actually couldn't lead the free world then so be it. Please learn from the Brexit debacle here in the UK, where a fair portion of the electorate kicked against the establishment (er, with a faction of the establishment's encouragement) and took us out of a progressive European future and are taking us back to the little Britain we thought we'd consigned to the distant past. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again From: Greg F. Date: 01 Aug 16 - 08:56 AM OK,then; how about "even MORE seriously fucked"? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again From: gillymor Date: 01 Aug 16 - 09:13 AM It looks like Trump has found his Joseph Welch moment in this Khan affair. Gold Star families and prominent Republicans are speaking out against him. It should be obvious now that there will be no pivot, Trump will always be his own odious self. I've a feeling he's going down hard in November and will take the Senate with him and a good portion of the House. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again From: Raggytash Date: 01 Aug 16 - 09:18 AM Is the story about Trumps seemingly callous disregard for the Khans loss and his subsequent pontifications on his reasons why Ghazala Khan didn't speak getting any coverage in the USA. On this side of the pond it has received quite a good deal of publicity none of which shows Trump in a good light at all. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again From: gillymor Date: 01 Aug 16 - 09:26 AM Trump Doubles Down |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again From: Lighter Date: 01 Aug 16 - 09:43 AM Naturally there's more, about more, from the same interview: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-father-fallen-soldier-ive-made-lot/story?id=41015051 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again From: akenaton Date: 01 Aug 16 - 10:26 AM My American friends tell me exactly what Stu's friends tell him. The US political system is almost totally corrupt. Mr Obama was presumed to be a vehicle for change, lauded here and in most of the media, but his presidency has been a huge disappointment, almost nothing has been achieved which is of any real help to the poor.....Mrs Clinton makes no pretence of changing one damn thing she will do exactly as her masters tell her....but unlike Obama, she will do it willingly and with the greatest of pleasure. The biggest problem of course is Foreign Policy, her record as a warmonger is abysmal and it will be wound up to the hilt, we could in fact see the start of another "cold War" but under very different circumstances to the first one. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again From: keberoxu Date: 01 Aug 16 - 11:17 AM In answer to your question, Raggytash, a television is not in my home, so I can't comment on TV broadcasts. Yes, regarding network radio, the comments made by T***p about the decorated soldier's parents are front and center, and excerpts of the father's speech at the DNC are in these radio broadcasts as well. Also making front-page headlines in the local newspapers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again From: Jeri Date: 01 Aug 16 - 11:48 AM It's all over TV news too. Unfortunately that quote from Trump, "I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose any voters" seems fairly on point. They were stupid and mean enough to like him then, they're stupid and mean enough to like him now. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again From: Greg F. Date: 01 Aug 16 - 12:40 PM Mr Obama was presumed to be a vehicle for change, lauded here and in most of the media, but his presidency has been a huge disappointment, almost nothing has been achieved which is of any real help to the poor. You can thank a unified obstructionist Republicrap Congress for that. Credit where credit is due, the Republicruds announced at the outset that that was EXACTLY what they intended to do. - Nullification: John C. Calhoun & Soputh Carolina would be proud of 'em. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again From: Greg F. Date: 01 Aug 16 - 01:04 PM No, Raggy - brain dead is brain dead. If they supported this piece of dirt before now, this latest wrinkle won't phase them at all. HEIL TRUMP! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again From: Jack Campin Date: 01 Aug 16 - 02:08 PM Meanwhile... Grendel's mother |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again From: Raggytash Date: 01 Aug 16 - 03:35 PM Jack, Using a photograph of Trump's late Mother is appalling I would not condone that at all. However when compared to Trump's response to the Khan's loss of their son is does pale into "insignificance" I do not wish to belittle the use of such a photograph but Trumps response to the Khan's was, to my mind, totally unacceptable and frankly unbelievable. How anyone could even consider voting for such a man is beyond my comprehension. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again From: Donuel Date: 01 Aug 16 - 03:50 PM Compared to almost any photo of Barbra Bush the Trumpress photo is quite flattering. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again From: akenaton Date: 01 Aug 16 - 04:44 PM As far as the Muslim soldier issue is concerned It is simply politicians on both sides getting down and dirty......dissembling twisting and being disingenuous is their trade. Mr Trump to his credit is not a "politician" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again From: Greg F. Date: 01 Aug 16 - 05:31 PM You're right, Ake! He's a despicable piece of shit. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again From: Stilly River Sage Date: 01 Aug 16 - 10:58 PM Ake still doesn't get it, but at least he doesn't like Trump. That's something. Trump is like a nightmare that we all hope to awaken from. One that might keep us up the rest of the night because it was so awful and we don't want to dream it again. Ake, I CHALLENGE you to watch ALL FOUR nights of the Democratic National Convention - the speeches by Michelle, by Bill, by Obama, by all of the various supporters, and try to come away with a view of a woman who has worked hard her entire adult life to make conditions better for women and children. I don't want to hear a peep from you until you've viewed the videos, heard the testimonials, and seen the good works that this woman has done. But because she's a woman, she has been vilified as being ambitious or pushy or just too smart for the men around her. Tough shit. She's smart, she's effective, and it's time YOU know the story behind the woman before you keep bashing her. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again From: Rapparee Date: 01 Aug 16 - 10:59 PM Several things cause this, including but not at all limited to Mr. T calling McCain a "loser" because he was made POW, his lack of respect for Capt. Khan's parents, his own draft deferments (much to my mind like those of Newt Gingerich and Karl Rove), his cheating of small contractors who worked on his casino(s), and is generally narcissistic and bullying attitudes, but I really don't think I'll vote for him come November. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again From: Joe Offer Date: 02 Aug 16 - 02:59 AM The appearance of Mr. & Mrs. Khan at the Democratic National Convention was impressive and very effective. But if Trump had just ignored it, their speech would have been forgotten by now. But Trump responded, and that gave the Khans a chance to respond even more effectively. So, is Trump shooting himself in the foot with every response to the Khans, or are there people in the U.S. who are actually motivated by the crass responses from Trump to these good people? -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again From: akenaton Date: 02 Aug 16 - 03:04 AM Acme, I know you think I am an idiot. I think you are a kind caring person. How can you possibly suggest that I, who have studied politics for too many years, would have given views without listening to all the evidence at my disposal. Of course I have heard the speeches, but political campaign speeches are choreographed by teams of writers to wring out every nuance, appeal to every emotion, or to engender hate in every heart. Politics, especially in the US is a business and in business there is no room for sentiment, but that emotion is often used to access power, On Mrs Clinton, her record speaks for itself and she is shamelessly in the pockets of the Corporations, I am amazed that people of the left can suspend reality to elect such a person who is dedicated to brute force in the quest for wealth and power. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again From: akenaton Date: 02 Aug 16 - 03:20 AM The Party System is Obsolete, it is full of self serving career politicians supported by an idiotic electorate who would in general terms vote for anything which sported the "proper" colours. The buying out of Sanders was a stain on America and if evidence was ever needed on the corruption at the heart of US politics this Convention provided it in spades......Your only hope is a popular revolt against the political status quo, something which has happened lately in the UK. Mrs Clinton more than any other politician represents that Status Quo. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again From: Joe Offer Date: 02 Aug 16 - 03:43 AM Ake, it's easy to say that Mrs. Clinton is "shamelessly in the pockets of the corporations," but is that really true? What good would it do her to be a pawn of the corporations? She's an intelligent woman with interesting ideals, and she has the power to at least hope to achieve many of those ideals. Why would she subordinate herself to the corporations? What good, what satisfaction, would she get out of it? It's clear that she has enough and doesn't need money. Why would she sell out to the corporations? She's a moderate and a pragmatist, not an absolutist/idealist of the right or the left. She knows the corporations give jobs that are vital to the welfare of the country, so of course she has to do business with the corporations. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again From: akenaton Date: 02 Aug 16 - 07:31 AM In her case Joe it's more about power and the Clinton dynasty. Your political system is badly broken and you better fix it damn quick, for al the ingredients required for a social catastrophe are in the mix. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again From: Rapparee Date: 02 Aug 16 - 09:09 AM Mr. Trump is, as far as I can see, in his own pocket. He's not paying for his own campaign except as far as what he can write off his taxes things like using his own jet for campaigning -- then that's a political donation. He did not release any of the $6 million he "raised for veterans" until he was forced to. He isn't in this for anyone other than himself and to gratify his lust for more: money, power, women. As far as I know he hasn't spent a dime on things like malaria control (Bill Gates), libraries and literacy (Gates, Carnegie, Buffett, and others), famine relief (Bono), or anything else that benefits anyone besides himself. No, the more I study him the less I like him. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again From: mkebenn Date: 02 Aug 16 - 09:22 AM Joe: I wish there was a way to metaphoricly shoot Trump in his other foot. ake: because she accepts donations does not make her bought. Rapparee: He's got his hand in his own pocket alright. Mike |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again From: Vashta Nerada Date: 02 Aug 16 - 10:06 AM Ake thinks that if he makes those claims about Hillary often enough that someone will start to believe them. They certainly aren't true and no one needs to jump through hoops to prove the negative. The burden of proof is on him, and he can't do it, he can just shout the lie. #LogicalFallacy101 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again From: gillymor Date: 02 Aug 16 - 10:11 AM David McCulloch has put up a Facebook page on which, "Historians share their perspectives on why Donald Trump's campaign is so troubling." in brief video presentations. Click here |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again From: Greg F. Date: 02 Aug 16 - 10:22 AM are there people in the U.S. who are actually motivated by the crass responses from Trump to these good people? Joe, Is a bear Catholic? Just read the news. Here are your average brain-damaged Trumpshit supporters in action: "Taking questions from the audience at a rally in Carson City, Nev., the Indiana governor was asked how he could "tolerate" Trump disrespecting military families. "Time and time again Trump has disrespected our nation's armed forces and veterans and has disrespect for Mr. Khan and his family is just an example of that," Catherine Byrne asked, as the crowd started loudly booing." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again From: Jeri Date: 02 Aug 16 - 10:38 AM Trump and the hate-filled idiots who follow him are just part of the same thing that causes people to grab rifles and try to blow away random people. It's the same thing that causes people to make nasty comments on line to people they don't know about subjects they don't really care about. They're mad at the world and somehow think that ruining someone else's life will make them feel better. I wonder what will happen when the hate and anger have run their course. I certainly hope people get tired of it before November. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again From: Vashta Nerada Date: 02 Aug 16 - 10:52 AM Occupy Democrats graphic |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again From: Greg F. Date: 02 Aug 16 - 11:04 AM I certainly hope people get tired of it before November. He who lives on hope, dies of starvation. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again From: Greg F. Date: 02 Aug 16 - 11:08 AM Your political system is badly broken and you better fix it damn quick Physician heal thyself. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again From: Stu Date: 02 Aug 16 - 12:36 PM "Physician heal thyself." +1 "Trump and the hate-filled idiots who follow him are just part of the same thing that causes people to grab rifles and try to blow away random people." I don't think is true; any citizen who carries a gun for anything other than hunting is scared and fearful, which is what the shooters are. It's too easy to dismiss Trump supports as some kind of lunatic sub-class, idiots or easily led. Of course demagogues attract a type of person, but when people feel they have no-one else to vote for and want to give the ruling classes they will take what power they have and use it, and better the ballot-box than the gun. The parallels with the UK Brexit vote are worrying. A lot of people in this country followed a rag-tag band of liars, xenophobes and generally unpleasant people into the ballot box and voted us out of a progressive partnership with other nations. Many of these folk didn't give a shit about that these plastic brownshirts were obviously lying through their arses, they wanted to give those in government a kicking, and they did. People feel disenfranchised, forgotten and see banks cause crisis after crisis whilst their bosses get richer and take zero responsibility for their mismanagement. The people who do suffer the consequences are the people who hear Hillary Clinton speak and see a person who has done nothing to right these wrongs; it must be hard to watch people die from treatable illnesses in a fabulously wealthy country because of a slavish devotion to the inhuman ideology which represents the status quo. It'll happen here too. We've enough of the disenfranchised here to make a drift to the right almost inevitable, and until we have no viable alternative there's little to stop these people. I can never understand how a person could vote for someone that lacks personal integrity in the way people like Trump and Farage do, but there you go. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again From: keberoxu Date: 02 Aug 16 - 01:15 PM Grendel's Mother -- why does that make me think of Whistler's Mother? never mind. if T***p is Grendel, though, than for heaven's sake, who is Beowulf? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again From: Mrrzy Date: 02 Aug 16 - 01:39 PM I'm glad that right now I live in the States - I can just imagine trying to go out to, say, a boulangerie (just gimme the baguette and don't even ASK)... dark glasses and headscarf and maybe I'd have to move somewhere I could speak bad French and pretend to be, I don't know, Canadian? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 02 Aug 16 - 02:08 PM The thing is, blasphemy ends to be suicidal for someone running in an election. By blasphemy I mean offending against what people see as sacred, and that varies in different times and places. For America, motherhood and the military dead are up there with the flag. Maybe Trump is right, and he could get away with murder, but this is a bit more serious than murder. What Hillary Clinton does depends on how effective the Sanderites can be in organising to get a left tending Congress. Obama didn't fail to live up to his hopes and ambitions because he was bought off, but because the support on Congress and the streets just wasn't there. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again From: Greg F. Date: 02 Aug 16 - 03:41 PM I don't think is true; any citizen who carries a gun for anything other than hunting is scared and fearful Why can't they just be assholes or mentally unbalanced? People feel disenfranchised, forgotten and see banks cause crisis after crisis whilst their bosses get richer and take zero responsibility for their mismanagement. Yup - and in the U.S. 0f A., at least, those responsible for this situation are THE REPUBLICRAP PARTY, who the brain-dead U.S. electorate keep voting into power so they can do more of the same. We've enough of the disenfranchised here to make a drift to the right almost inevitable Absolutely! The dumb fu*ks can be counted upon to vote against their own best interests every time. False Class Consciousness. Occasionally Marx was spot on. Oh, ye generation of morons. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again From: mkebenn Date: 02 Aug 16 - 04:19 PM A world with a fascist US and UK is not a place I want to be. VOTE Mike |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again From: akenaton Date: 02 Aug 16 - 06:19 PM Have you already forgotten the racist campaign that Team Clinton fought against Mr Obama in 2008? These people are all establishment politicians, if they cannot buy you they discredit or destroy you. One question, is anyone proud of how the Democratic Party has behaved, do they deserve your vote? Mrs Clinton must be the most mistrusted Presidential Candidate since Nixon. |