BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Donuel
Date: 26 May 17 - 08:39 PM

It looks more and more like we will have to bear shame and danger for the next two years until after the mid term elections.

Rules and laws are being broken but the nature of the evidence and testimony are all circumstantial. Guilty as hell yes but the nature of proof does not accomplish criminal prosecution or political impeachment yet. It will come close but no cigar. Unfortunately the Nazi types will fight for the failing fool ferociously until the bitter end. Somehow sounds familiar.

Well I would love to be surprised but it looks to me we will have to wait. And wait.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: gillymor
Date: 26 May 17 - 09:43 AM

Symbolic of the way he's treated our NATO allies. Putin must have been turning cartwheels after Twit's disgraceful overall performance yesterday.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Stu
Date: 26 May 17 - 09:25 AM

Wow, did you see Trump pushing the PM of Montenegro aside like a playground bully? He's a lout as well as a dick.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Greg F.
Date: 26 May 17 - 08:48 AM

Sure they would! They LOVE ignorant bigot slobs.

Look at Montana.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: gillymor
Date: 26 May 17 - 07:37 AM

Perhaps this will shine a light on Jared Kushner, Slumlord:

in NYC

in Baltimore

Like Father in Law, like Son in Law:

Donald Trump, despicable landlord

If people actually took the time to look into Trump's sad history they wouldn't have elected him dog catcher.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Greg F.
Date: 25 May 17 - 09:39 PM

What a surprise.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Donuel
Date: 25 May 17 - 08:32 PM

Last week I told you about the UNCONFIRMED report that the unnamed person that was the object of the Russia Investigation was actually Jared Kushner.

Today it is finally Confirmed.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 May 17 - 10:13 AM

hits the rural poor and working class, the demographic which gave him his most enthusiatic support, hardest of all.

And yet, they still love him.


"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard."   - H. L. Mencken

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: gillymor
Date: 24 May 17 - 09:34 AM

T***p lawyers up with Marc Kasowitz, who has represented him through various fraud, divorce and sexual misconduct difficulties. Perhaps it's finally starting to sink in that he wasn't elected dictator.
Interestingly, Kasowitz also represents Sberbank, Russia's largest state-controlled bank.

From MSNBC

Anyone still harboring any illusions that Twit is some kind of an anti-establishment populist need only look at the recent White House budget proposal which rewards his wealthy friends and family with massive tax cuts and hits the rural poor and working class, the demographic which gave him his most enthusiatic support, hardest of all. While this budget proposal has little chance of being implemented, too many Republican reps in rural areas, it is a good snapshot of Twit's atttitude towards common people, assumming he even knows what it contains.

From Politico

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 23 May 17 - 09:42 PM

Trump wasn't able to block Mueller via any ethics statutes:
Washington Post story. He protested the appointment and wanted to show Mueller was ineligible.

Justice Department ethics experts have concluded that newly appointed special counsel Robert S. Mueller III can oversee the investigation into possible coordination between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin during the 2016 presidential election — even though his former law firm represents several people who could be caught up in the matter, authorities announced Tuesday.

In an email, Justice Department spokeswoman Sarah Isgur Flores said ethics officials had reviewed the case and "determined that Mr. Mueller's participation in the matters assigned to him is appropriate." She said the officials had considered Mueller's professional obligations and those imposed by government ethics regulations.

Follow the link for the rest.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Donuel
Date: 23 May 17 - 08:09 PM

The late 90's is precisely the time the Russian mob came to DC and closed the doors of hundreds of small shops that would not pay tribute.
Inside of a year many places I enjoyed that had 1 owner were gone.
The Russian mobsters were a crude joke on one hand and operated with impunity on the other. This was also the time when brick and mortar stores were given an internet option so it wasn't all mob influence.
The Russian mob is much less visible today.

Do you get how Citizen's United is working like a charm now?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: gillymor
Date: 23 May 17 - 07:56 PM

As far as CU goes, Twit's already got one of his boys on the High Court, if he (or Pence) get another one that dark money will be fucking up this country and consequently the world long after you and I are gone.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Donuel
Date: 23 May 17 - 07:45 PM

In DC the Trump Hotel, next to Union Station, has a laundering mat in the basement.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: gillymor
Date: 23 May 17 - 07:15 PM

Don, did you mean how much money did Russsia give him to launder? :^)

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Donuel
Date: 23 May 17 - 05:16 PM

Back when C.U. became law I warned of our elections being controlled by foreign involvement and cash. It may be gauche of me to say I told you so, but there you have it. It all worked out for the right this time and has set a successful precedent for years to come.

Bottom line, the Democrats have a very weak case against Trump and eventually could be settled by the Trump Supreme Court, in his favor.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Donuel
Date: 23 May 17 - 05:01 PM

Gillymor, How much money has Russia given Trump?
If you don't know its OK.   Its legal.

Remember the Supreme Court decision - Citizens United? It paved the way for legal collusion.
Lying about the collusion is another matter and preventing investigations is borderline criminal/impeachable. (Laws overlap)

This is how we finance elections Please Take a Look

They also decided that money is covered by free speech and multi national Corporations are really PEOPLE.

Face it. The people who wanted Citizens United were expecting and hoping for collusion and cash.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: gillymor
Date: 22 May 17 - 08:23 PM

The hits just keep coming. According to the WaPo, Twit asked both the DNI and the head of the NSA to aid in his attempt to quash the Russian collusion investigation. From a CNBC article:

"President Donald Trump reportedly urged two top intelligence officials to publicly deny that his campaign colluded with Russia after ex-FBI Director James Comey's confirmed the existence of a probe into that matter."

Click here

At this stage even the most rock-ribbed Twit supporter has got to wonder what he's so afraid of.
There's been many dark days for this young train wreck of an administration but they all may seem like a picnic when Comey testifies before the Senate Intel committee after Memroial Day.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 May 17 - 04:45 PM

a person that accepts any MSM titbit criticising Trump You're right of course Iains - everyone's lying except Trump. Oh, and YOU of course.

By the way, do you have a degree in Engineering, by any chance?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Donuel
Date: 22 May 17 - 12:23 PM

Trump told Flynn to "stay strong" which amounts to Flynn's lawyers now saying Flynn will be taking the 5th for his eventual testimony before Congress.

Like everything else Trump sure makes things more suspicious than they need to be.

{believe obey and buy all things Trump} or resist

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Vashta Nerada
Date: 22 May 17 - 10:41 AM

Caught in White House Chaos, Justice Dept. Official Seeks Neutral Ground

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 May 17 - 09:33 AM

Great news: Mexico offers to pay for Trump's impeachment!

Click here

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Mr Red
Date: 22 May 17 - 06:04 AM

cool it folks, the Merchant of Venom does it better than anyone of this parish.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Iains
Date: 22 May 17 - 04:27 AM

was that one grunt, or two?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: bobad
Date: 21 May 17 - 07:17 PM

At least I got him to dialogue......lol!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 May 17 - 06:55 PM

Greg doesn't do dialogue

Ah but then Bobad, I don't do bullshit which is your tour de force either!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: bobad
Date: 21 May 17 - 06:42 PM

Greg F. Quite correct there is no point in continuing a dialogue with you

Common man, Greg doesn't do dialogue, haven't you been paying attention?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 21 May 17 - 03:55 PM

The White House leaks Trump-tidbits like a sieve. Turns out he didn't just share highly-classified information with the Russians, he also dismissed Comey as " a nut job." He takes sides against his own officials and smears them to spies and diplomats from other countries.

Trump isn't smarter than a fifth grader, he isn't a handicapped child, he isn't all of the names he has been called, because that assumes fifth graders are stupid or that handicapped children deserve that kind of mis-representation and abuse. Trump is a Sociopath with a gift of gab that enough Americans bought into and decided this was the change they wanted. All of those people who swallowed lies about Hillary hook, line, and sinker are ignoring the whoppers that Trump tells and don't seem to understand how severely compromised our country is right now. It's only the strength of the mainstream politicians and the silent but robust abilities of federal employees that are keeping things on an even keel as far as many agencies go.

Dismiss Democratic concerns all you want, but we have the moral high ground on this one. When Trump goes, he's going to go with a big messy explosion. And he will go. It's just a matter of time.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Iains
Date: 21 May 17 - 03:47 PM

A Lunatic An extremely foolish or eccentric person.
Like a person that accepts any MSM titbit criticising Trump as having the same impeccable validity as Thomas Jefferson's phraseology concerning the Declaration of Independance. "We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness….

The latter may be a valid posit, the former can only be advanced with accompanying evidence in order to satisfy all but the foolish and eccentric, otherwise it is merely rumour, hearsay and malicious allegations.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 May 17 - 02:21 PM

the lunatics have taken over the asylum.

Once again, I give you Jones, Nema & Savage, et.al. (And Iains, perhaps?)

And Trump, the Trumpists, and their apologists and defenders.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Mr Red
Date: 21 May 17 - 11:58 AM

Like it or not the media is controlled by very few people and if you believe in editorial independence you can tell me all about fairies

Farcebook is owned by the masses, or the content is.

So much for a free press.

YES IT IS a medium. Learn to live with it, the lunatics have taken over the asylum.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Iains
Date: 21 May 17 - 10:55 AM

Greg F. Quite correct there is no point in continuing a dialogue with you as you lack basic comprehension skills.
" It is the content, and what supports the content, that is crucial."
I will rephrase this just for you.
Unless an allegation is backed by verifiable facts it is simply an allegation. Even a statement in law requires to be tested and found proven
What do you use for your sources? a Ouija board?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 May 17 - 09:56 AM

Only guy I know of who can out-asshole Trump.

Click here

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 May 17 - 09:20 AM

In these circumstances the sources are an irrelevance.

Really? With Jones, Nema & Savage?

No point taking this any further.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: gillymor
Date: 21 May 17 - 08:11 AM

We'll just have to wait and see what crimes the old fraud might be guilty of but the best aspect of these various scandals is that they will cripple his ability, already found wanting by his own ineptitude, to impose his aggressively supply side, anti-human, anti-environment pro-Russian agenda on the American people.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: akenaton
Date: 21 May 17 - 06:30 AM

Jim, strangely enough I have connections to the MacLeods of Lewis through my grandmother; not that this affects my political views in any way.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Iains
Date: 21 May 17 - 06:09 AM

Jim despite what you say the jury is still out.
"As a scientist, you should have learned that it is not enough to dismiss and accepted belief - you need to replace it with something that fills the gap you have removed"
That has to be the most asinine statement I have ever seen.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 May 17 - 04:35 AM

Iains
As a scientist, you should have learned that it is not enough to dismiss and accepted belief - you need to replace it with something that fills the gap you have removed
You tend not to do this when it comes to politics - you rely far to much on dismissive rhetoric with a sprinkle of pomposity added to disguise the blandness of your statements, (and a tendency to talk down to people so the meal actually looks good)
Might work i the lab....... not in this kitchen, I'm afraid.
Maybe you should try Ache's 'first name' technique of addressing the subjects as if you actually knew them - that might give your denials a bit more authority
Trump is what he appears to be - a political thug
THe people in the U.S. are beginning to find that out to their cost
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Iains
Date: 21 May 17 - 04:13 AM

Greg F. Having spent my working life as a scientist I rather like my beliefs backed by facts and evidence. In these circumstances the sources are an irrelevance. It is the content, and what supports the content, that is crucial.
You however obviously believe in a form of combustion unknown to science, Plenty of smoke blowing around but despite strenuous efforts to find it:- no smouldering embers and no fire.
Strange that, is it not?

What was it Goebbels said? If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it, and you will even come to believe it

Please provide evidence of Trumps alleged collusion with Russia and be careful breathing all that smoke that provides your belief system. It is damaging.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Donuel
Date: 20 May 17 - 07:18 PM

More unexpected stuff:

newt Gingrich is going to move and live at the Vatican since his wife was named to be the US ambassador there.

Trump is happier than a pig in whipped cream in Saudi Arabia. He got a gold star necklace and signed a 150 billion dollar weapons deal

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Donuel
Date: 20 May 17 - 12:37 PM

The judicial system in the US is maddening at best and defers to wealth at worst.

Trump may be found innocent if he is insulated enough.

While he is no Teflon President and ignorance of the law is no defense he knows about sacrificial goats, loyalty and setting up fall guys and patsies.

Just looking guilty and having loads of circumstantial evidence is not enough for impeachment. Pense could be involved more deeply to the point of prosecution despite all his claims that he knows nothing. That leaves the speaker of the house in line for the Presidency.

Its too late for Pense to invoke the 25th amendment. Now he too faces a special prosecutor.

All of this speculation awaits the forthcoming evidence. The uninformed Trump base that blames media and routinely refutes facts automatically,
can be incited to do vengeful damage by Trump tweet orders and surrogate protests. For reasons to protect civility, the findings of Mueller may be altered to protect Americans from threats of insurrection. Maybe Trump will whine about unfairness all the way to exile in Mara Lago?

This sure is a nail biter all right

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: gillymor
Date: 20 May 17 - 09:49 AM

Not any more, we've recognized Putin for what he is, more a capo tutti capo of a murderous international crime syndicate than a head of state. Anyone craving an alliance with him is morally bankrupt. No wonder Twitler is his fawning sycophant.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Greg F.
Date: 20 May 17 - 09:47 AM

the media is controlled by very few people and if you believe in editorial independence you can tell me all about fairies....The more allegations thrown at Trump the more it raises concerns about deep state.


So which one IS your favorite news source, Iains: Alex Jones, Howard Nema, or Michael Savage?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Stu
Date: 20 May 17 - 08:57 AM

"It used to be our colleagues in the War against Terror. Our Trading partners."

Too true. I mean the cold war, what a fuss over nothing.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: akenaton
Date: 20 May 17 - 08:40 AM

The omission was not the greatest flaw.

Our Russian adversaries?......It used to be our colleagues in the War against Terror. Our Trading partners.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: gillymor
Date: 20 May 17 - 07:20 AM

"We used to have a better class of criminal in the White House, when a President obstructed justice he didn't go out and brag about it on TV or to our Russian adversaries."

Conservative columnist David Brooks on All Things Considered last night.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Iains
Date: 20 May 17 - 05:28 AM

1) Like it or not the media is controlled by very few people and if you believe in editorial independence you can tell me all about fairies.
2) If you do not like the electoral college initiate change.
3)Until such time as investigations occur and report the US in a hiatus
of sensible government.
My own take on the situation is that the US has interfered in the democratic process and elections of other countries for decades. Does it really make sense for the powers that be to leave their own process open to manipulation? And if they apparently did(should the rumours be true) one would have to ask why?
The more allegations thrown at Trump the more it raises concerns about deep state.The majority view on this forum seems to take everything the media feeds them at face value. Is critical analysis dead? This I find extremely worrying.
I believe we are seeing mission creep for the engineered takedown of a President with increasingly outrageous allegations being publicised.
Excellent news for those responsible but bad news for both the electorate and the office of the President, irregardless of who is in office in the future. I would have thought a little analysis would be in order instead of wholesale cheering. Who actually benefits when all this has concluded. Emasculating the office of the Presidency benefits no one in my opinion.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: akenaton
Date: 20 May 17 - 03:53 AM

"When the investigation is concluded Trump will be out. But Pence is equally tainted. The problem is that the woman who WON the popular vote can't be awarded the office. To do that would be to tread on too many laws in place. If she'd won this time, she'd have run again in 2020 - so will she choose to run then? I doubt it, but if she tries, I think the chaos of the 2016 race will rise to the surface again. 2016 was Hillary's time, but the DNC tried too hard and Debbie Wasserman Schultz couldn't just leave well enough alone and let Bernie burn out and leave the field to Clinton."

Unbelievable? No some people actually believe this version of events.....not a lot and they are all "liberals" :0)

Bernie could have beaten Donal John easily.....but the DNC were shitting themselves, they preferred the most mistrusted politician in the US, or even a Republican, than someone with the smell of socialism hanging over them.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Mr Red
Date: 20 May 17 - 03:27 AM

if it waddles like a duck
if it quacks like a duck
and lays eggs

It is a duck

And we have a lot of fertile eggs ready to hatch right now.

Those that don't understand the analogy please give it a day before you comment.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 20 May 17 - 02:08 AM

i tell you what...

i'm really enjoying watching this unfolding. JUst like watching Sam Ervine at Watergate. Will they nail the bastard....?

nailbiting stuff. if i didn't have a use for my nails!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 20 May 17 - 01:50 AM

Trump is digging a hole that he can't get out of. As noted, he is a sociopath who can't help himself when it comes to the knee-jerk responses and lies to try to make himself look good and set himself in a beneficial business position.

Comey made mistakes, his timing was horrible as far as the timing of a statement regarding the still non-issue of Hillary's email. But he pissed off as many people on the right as well, so at least he was an equal-opportunity offender. The deputy AG who put Mueller in place may have drunk the Trump Koolaid to get his position (Comey didn't trust him because of the nonsense Trump was trying to put in place as far as a loyalty oath) but he chose well as far as an investigator. It has put the Trump White House into full assault-on-Mueller-mode: looking for regulations that will hamstring his investigation. The Keystone Cops are trying to sweep away the tide (mixed metaphors work particularly well for this awful administration).

When the investigation is concluded Trump will be out. But Pence is equally tainted. The problem is that the woman who WON the popular vote can't be awarded the office. To do that would be to tread on too many laws in place. If she'd won this time, she'd have run again in 2020 - so will she choose to run then? I doubt it, but if she tries, I think the chaos of the 2016 race will rise to the surface again. 2016 was Hillary's time, but the DNC tried too hard and Debbie Wasserman Schultz couldn't just leave well enough alone and let Bernie burn out and leave the field to Clinton.

I will note here that Ake is just plain clueless when it comes to his analysis of Hillary and her role in American government. His blinders are so huge that the moment he enters into one of these discussions of American politics he makes a spectacle of himself. "Conservative" politicians are in disarray now (because the party was first co-opted by the Tea Party, then watched impotently as Trump left a slime trail as he did a hostile takeover of the party). The Americans who voted for Trump were deluded by a television personality, they don't understand how government works. Neither does Trump. His ascension to office has probably been the single biggest boost to groups like the ACLU, Planned Parenthood, NAACP, and others. This will resolve itself - and a lot of people will have to learn how our government is really supposed to work in the process.